What The Oliver Perez Signing Means For The Mets

The Mets have (presumably) finished work on their 2009 starting rotation and the results look like this (2008 WAR):
- Johan Santana (4.8)
- Mike Pelfrey (3.0)
- Oliver Perez (1.3)
- John Maine (1.4)
- Tim Redding (1.1)
Those last three are what should depress Mets fans about the re-signing of Oliver Perez to a three-year, $36 million pact. John Maine, who pitched sixty fewer innings than Perez in 2008, was nevertheless more valuable. Tim Redding, whom the Mets signed for just a single year and $2.25 million, was almost as valuable as Perez. These numbers alone don't necessarily portend anything for 2009, but neither are they cause for any kind of celebration.
Why should we be angry?
Apparently unprovoked by pressure from any other bidders, the Mets increased their (already too high) initial three-year, $30 million offer to the $36 million deal Perez ultimately accepted, and from where I'm sitting Omar Minaya looks like an absolute chump. Maybe there was some secret team involved that nobody else was aware of, but smart money is on the Mets actually bidding against themselves to retain a decent -- not great, not even really good -- starting pitcher for fear that they might have to settle for Ben Sheets (better pitcher, more injury concerns) or Randy Wolf (2.0 WAR in 2008).
In 2008, Derek Lowe was worth $16 million more than Perez ($22.4 million vs $5.8 million). He's older and a safe bet to decline somewhat, while Perez is much younger and might actually improve (or not). Even accepting those likelihoods, there is almost no way that Perez is as valuable as Lowe over the next four years. It's true that Lowe will make an extra $4 million and was signed by the Braves to a four-year deal (not three years), so there's some risk that they'll be paying good money for his declining golden years (or that he'll break down altogether). At all events, whether the Mets are playing for 2009 or beyond, it's tough to argue they'd be better off in either fight with Perez over Lowe.
Looking beyond the Perez-versus-whomever arguments, a larger issue casts a cloud over the events of this offseason. The Mets are putting the finishing touches on a fancy new ballpark funded by public money during the worst economic recession in recent memory, and as it stands now the Mets are set to move into Citi Field with a payroll similar to last year. Ticket prices at the new facility will be higher than the final year at Shea Stadium and seating will be in much shorter supply. Concessions are likely to be more expensive, too. Much has been made of the Wilpons' fleecing of (possibly hundreds of) millions of dollars at the scheming hands of Bernard Madoff, but we've been led to believe this whole time that any losses incurred there had nothing to do with the Mets. So I have to ask: If we're all paying more money to build a new stadium just to pay more money to see games there and eat and drink and adorn ourselves with Mets trinkets, how can it be that in 2009 the Mets will be investing in the on-field product exactly as much as they did in 2008?
This isn't to imply that the Mets are cheap; they did have one of the game's highest payrolls last year and figure to be in the upper echelon of player expenditure again this year. But they are also one of the most profitable teams in the game playing in its biggest market and it's hard to believe they won't be increasing payroll. With Perez's $12 million their docket reads around $140 million, the same as last year and $22 million shy of the luxury tax threshold. If there's an explanation for the Mets' seeming lack of payroll movement over last year I'd be interested in hearing it.
Why should we be optimistic?
Perez is occasionally very, very good, and it's not as if he is just sometimes effective and sometimes not. There is a noticeable difference in his mechanics and in the behavior of his breaking pitches when he is throwing well. I suppose this is true of all pitchers to some degree, but most would agree that Perez has the talent to be a very good starter; most pitchers with league-average ERAs have no hope of achieving greatness. Unfortunately for Perez (and us, by extension) there exists a chasm the size of the Manson crater between Perez's current level of performance and his potential level of same. It's not inconceivable that Perez will finally "put it all together" one of these days, but as each middling month passes it becomes less and less likely that it'll ever happen.
Even if Perez doesn't become a superstar (or even a regular star), if he can throw 200 innings of league average (or better?) performance he'll still have some value. He was a 2.2 WAR player as recently as 2007, and a repeat of that over the next three seasons will leave the Mets paying him about what he's worth over the contract's duration.
I guess he's also a safer bet than Randy Wolf. Wolf would have cost less in years and money but he has a spotty injury record and a history of mediocrity. He was better than Perez in 2008 (getting tired of hearing that?), but isn't a good bet to be better (or healthier) than him in 2009. Really, if the best you can say about Oliver Perez is that he might be better than Randy Wolf why bother?
Now what?
Now we wait. Pitchers and catchers report in less than two weeks and the Mets are likely to stand pat between now and then (and beyond). We can sit here and hope the Mets still go out and sign Ben Sheets, Adam Dunn or Manny Ramirez (or whomever), but I don't think it's going to happen. It took a month longer than it should have but the Mets are right back where they started. Their bullpen is certainly improved over last year, but their starting rotation isn't and their lineup isn't, either. Maybe they'll get lucky and their non-bullpen parts will be as effective as they were in 2008 and the added wins to the bullpen will be enough to put the Mets over the hump. Or maybe they won't and we'll all be home listening to the new Titté Brothers record next October.*
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It's really annoying me
that the mainstream stories seem to be portraying this as Omar sticking to his guns, when in fact Boras had absolutely no leverage. Wow, the Mets didn’t give Perez a fourth year even though Lowe got one and he’s eight years older! Omar must have icewater in his veins.
It shouldn’t have been more than the original 3/30 and now it’s looking like that shouldn’t have even been the initial offer. Who knows what the contract would be if Omar originally offered 2/18 or something like that.
by Mount17 on Feb 3, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now I can admit it
I own an Oliver Perez jersey.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Feb 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I own a Keith Van Horn jersey
by James Kannengieser on Feb 3, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knicks, or Nets?
One is semi-excusable, the other is completely indefensible.
by cjmulrain on Feb 3, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nets for me.
That should be the semi-excusable one.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Feb 3, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, that's ok
I was a big Van Horn fan when he started with the Nets too, mostly b/c I was a slow white basketball player who wore high socks too.
by cjmulrain on Feb 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nets too.
KVH was the man at Utah.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 3, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the only other option was Lowe
and Omar got scooped by a team that did not, to my knowledge, appear to even be on the radar for Lowe. The Braves came out of left field all of a sudden—as I suspect Smoltz’s signing with Boston did to them—in desperation mode and took EVERYBODY by surprise. I saw or heard nothing about any team other than the Mets as suitors for Lowe until he was signing on the dotted line in Atlanta. It’s not the first time Boras has played chicken and won, either by manufacturing a market out of thin air or benefiting from his patience.
It’s not my intent to be an Omar apologist. I’ve warmed to the view that a higher initial offer may have gotten it done, though I’m not entirely convinced that Boras wasn’t dead set on waiting on at least one more player for Lowe just like we’re seeing with Manny. It sucks to lose out in such a clear and unambiguous way, but we can’t be blind to circumstance either. Every GM gets scooped. I’m not sure I chalk that up as a massive failure in talent evaluation on Omar’s part. I just think the Braves played it better (in the short term, and given their particular situation) than Omar played it poorly.
For Omar to up his offer to Perez suggests to me that he got intel on another potential suitor and wanted to head it off at the pass. That seems to be about the only legit reason. Perhaps that means he flinched based on a rumor, but in the aftermath of losing out on Lowe—and the risk-to-upside ratios of the other starters in the market—I doubt you’d find many GMs who wouldn’t have.
As Gina mentioned recently in comments, Sheets appears to be a non-option for everyone due to injury concerns. At some point you just have to figure that the market has been completely scared off by something in his injury profile, as I understand he’s come way down on his contract demands. I’d have figured if there were even just slightly-above-average risk the Cardinals and/or Cubs would be in on Sheets—given where his demands have fallen to. Consider that the Cubs just gave up prospects for Aaron Heilman.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Feb 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can live with losing out on Lowe.
But there are two things that bother me about this. One, Minaya clearly overpaid for Perez, when he had no competition. None whatsoever. What does that say about Ollie’s worth? And secondly, Ben Sheets was still available, for less money. That’s a deal you have to take. This is an awful deal.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minaya
He either never wanted Lowe, and made a ridiculous, lowball offer just to say he made an offer — in which case it is a talent misread — or he was totally and utterly outmaneuvered by Boras and/or the Braves.
If he did get “scooped” on Lowe, then I’m certainly willing to believe he panicked and just wanted to get Perez signed. And – could this have worked out any better for Boras? If Lowe signs with the Mets, where does Ollie go?
In any case, I give little or no credit to Minaya, for any of this.
by jasondg on Feb 3, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe couldn't speak Spanish.
Winner! Omar only likes Hispanics/former Expo joke numer 10,000!!! Come on down!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Feb 3, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that was me mocking others.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Feb 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem
Besides the contract and the fact that Omar bid against himself is that Perez is an enigma. Sheets will consistently give you good outings but will likely only pitch 125-150 innings. Knowing that you can make contingency plans for the other 50-75 innings. A pitcher like Wolf will consistently give you 5-6 innings and 3-4 runs allowed. Knowing that you can structure your lineup for maximum run production and prepare your bullpen to go 3-4 innings during his starts.
You never know what you will get with Ollie. We all know he can be great, but his terrible starts seem more numerous and that can do more damage because it can throw the bullpen out of whack. Not to go all Joe Morgan here, but over the course of a season, there is something to be said for consistency.
by Reg Dunlop on Feb 3, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we were sure Sheets was going to give you 125-150 innings it would be one thing
But the fact no one, not even the “smarter” front offices have interest in Sheets makes me wonder if teams are wondering if they’ll even get 50 innings out of him.
by Gina on Feb 3, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I love Sheets, but the longer he goes unemployed despite the fact his asking price has dropped so much makes me less annoyed about not going after him. Obviously Omar could be wrong to bypass him, but so is every other GM. And plenty of teams could use starting pitching more than the Mets.
by whynot on Feb 3, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even more troubling about Sheets
Is the fact that he and his agent seem so completely opposed to all things incentive. If Sheets was comfortable with his health, you have to think he would have been at least open to discussing a contract with a decent base and lots of incentives, but every time it gets brought up, all we hear is that Sheets wants nothing to do with a contract like that. He clearly wants to get paid right now, that way if/when his arm falls off, he’s taken care of.
by Meddler on Feb 3, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We ain't call him "The Human Slot Machine" for nothin'
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 3, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves were rumored to be interested in lowe, immediately after Burnetts signing
Though it was nothing concrete but then, like 1-2 days before he signed, it was reported they were meeting him. So they didn’t completely come out of left field.
by Gina on Feb 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your word for it...
since I get most of my off-season news from here anyway I concede that Eric, the rest of the staff, and a lot of the regulars here are far more on top of this stuff than I am. But, the first I ever heard about the Braves—other than pure “who else other than the Mets might have any sort of chance?” speculation—was when Lowe signed.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Feb 3, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, the narrative is something like...
Braves lose out on Burnett and Furcal, put tail between legs, Larry Wayne is PISSED. Word leaks out that the Mets have given Lowe a really low initial offer, but that the Braves aren’t interested. Minaya appears to hold firm, thinking there’s no market for Lowe, and it’s only a matter of time. Cerrone writes something stupid like “From what I can gather, Lowe to the Mets appears inevitable.”
Then, the Braves lose Smoltz to Boston. This changes everything. Rumors of the Braves having interest in Lowe start to spread. Braves sign Japanese import Kawakami, offer Lowe $60m over 4 and bring in some country singer to woo him. Mets do nothing. Braves sign Lowe.
I’m sure it’s more complicated, but IIRC that’s how it played out in public.
by jasondg on Feb 3, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You should write copy man
that was “brilliant in its lack of complexity” (from Murder on the Orient Express).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Feb 3, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great reference!
I wish the TItte Brothers would come out with a new album!
by beelzebot on Feb 3, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
seconded
though frankly, i am more excited about the new Titté Brothers joint dropping than the Mets upcoming season. I can’t believe I have to watch this dunderhead pitch for 3 more seasons.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 3, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paid for potential
Perez is only 27 years old. He is coming into his prime for a pitcher. He has a k/9 rate around 9. He misses bats and has a very good hit rate. His problem is walks. And, walks is an area where young pitchers tend to improve. If he can get his BB/9 down without losing his other skills, I can definitely see him worth $12 M per year. I see this as a maturity issue and with him getting married this past summer, I’d like to believe that will only add to his maturity level and focus. Moreover, the fact that, according to published reports, Boras pushed for a three-year deal instead of a four year deal at $40M suggest that Boras and Perez think that he will mature, produce at a 4 WAR rate and warrant a bigger contract in three years. Finally, Perez knows and likes New York and the Mets know what they are getting in Perez. I admit that this is a high-end price for Perez, but I believe that he will live up to it. This is admittedly the first contract where I think they paid for potential. Most of the recent bad contracts are paying for past performance when evidence of potential is decreasing (e.g., Glavine, El Duque, Castillo). I rather pay for potential on a young left-handed starter with good stuff than past performance on someone else’s team of an aging player with declining skills.
by djbutler73 on Feb 3, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
to me, Ollie isn’t still a young pitcher. He’s a guy who has thrown 1,000 major league innings and peaked in 2004. I understand the untapped potential, etc, but at some point you have to wonder if he is ever going to perform to his potential. Now we have him until he’s 30. He’s either going to peak or be a major disappointment.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
by BlackOps on Feb 3, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ticket prices and payroll
isnt there very little correlation between the two? i’m pretty sure the number one thing the wilpons will have in mind when setting tickets prices and payroll is at one point with regards to the two do they make the most money.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 3, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i mean at what point, not at one point
gah that sentence is horrible. anyway, my point is if the wilpons can field a competitive team at a low payroll and high tiket prices they probably will.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 3, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As irritated as I am at the way the off-season has turned out
And as much as I’m not a huge fan of Perez I would say citifield is also a major reason to be optimistic. With his heavy fly ball tendencies if citifield plays like it’s being rumored too, extreme pitchers park, then his hr rate could plummet. Maybe we’ll just only start him at home in games not against the Phillies, Marlins and Braves. Also although his bb/9 rate was horrible last year in 07 he managed to keep it around 4, so it’s not impossible for it to come down to around that again which could make a big difference in his numbers.
My biggest concern right now is with two pitchers who may need to be handled with kiddie gloves, at least early in the season, in Maine and Pelfrey, is whether Ollie will be able to avoid some of his more serious meltdowns where he has to be pulled like before the 5th inning so that the bullpen isn’t overworked before the ASB.
by Gina on Feb 3, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you're simplifying the public funding thing
i understand its ancillary, but more and more people are doing this now and i think its because its much easier to say “we the public are paying for the mets/yankees new stadiums” than it is to actually delve into the legal tongue twisters that actually explain how the financing issue works. plus it also sounds much better when you’re making a point to frame it that way.
but i’ve tried to unravel it and while i must admit i don’t fully understand it all, it seems a bit simplistic/disingenuous to just say “publicly funded”. technically it is but when all is said and done i’m pretty certain that money will come out of both teams pockets, but with little to no interest which is the real controversial issue. that and the massive infrastructure around yankee stadium that the city will be paying for.
by robcast23 on Feb 3, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs






















