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Should The Mets Sign Pedro Martinez?

A few weeks ago, the Mets' fifth starter forecast was mostly Garcia with a chance of Redding. When the Mets signed Tim Redding to a guaranteed major league deal back in January the odds were good that he'd fill out the rotation for them. Heck, it looked like a pretty good deal for the Mets at the time. Then the Mets beat out a half-dozen other teams in their pursuit of Freddy Garcia, who was inked to a minor league deal with plenty of major league incentives. While Redding seemed a lock for the fifth spot in the rotation a month earlier, we heard whispers that Garcia might be in the best shape of his life and poised for a triumphant return to form.

The Mets added even more pitching depth when they signed Livan Hernandez to a minor league deal and invited him to spring training. We all laughed at the time, and for good reason: Hernandez is fat and had a 6.05 ERA in 180 innings last season, splitting time between Minnesota and Colorado. We're still laughing, though it's more of a nervous chuckle than the hearty belly laugh it was a few weeks back. Hernandez hasn't been anything special so far, but he has kept the ball on the ground and in the park, and the fact that he's a Proven Veteran™ has to be appealing to Mets management if nobody else.

Then there's Jon Niese, who many think could be every bit as good as Hernandez, Garcia or Redding for a fraction as soon as this season. Niese comes with the added bonus of being a homegrown player, which doesn't add anything to his tangible value but would serve as a feather in the cap of the Mets' player development team. It's also nice to give the kids a shot to succeed rather than always relying on more experienced -- and often inferior -- "known quantities". Niese struggled in limited playing time with the Mets at the end of 2008, but he's their best pitching prospect and I know most of us would rather he get a shot than watch Garcia or Hernandez give it up every fifth day.

And then there's Pedro Martinez, who remains unsigned and pitching with the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic but has expressed interest as recently as yesterday in a return engagement with the Mets.

"Yeah, I would like to be back (with the Mets). But I'm not just gonna follow the Mets. They have their own plans and they have their own thought process," said Martinez. "Yes, I would love to go (to Citi Field) and hopefully have the same success I had at Shea. Shea was a great stadium for me. I hope the new Shea pretty much follows up on the old one.

But I have my goals and I have my things that I want to achieve in life. If it's not with the Mets, it will be with someone else. But if they want a fifth starter who's been there - I don't know how much they want me - I'm available."

Based on an average projected ERA of 4.75 (mean of PECOTA, CHONE, Marcel and ZiPS), here are Martinez's expected contributions in WAR for a range of innings pitched:

IPFA$WAR
100 $4.60 0.9
120 $5.50 1.1
140 $6.30 1.3
160 $7.20 1.5
180 $8.00 1.7
200 $8.90 1.9

I'd bet that Martinez would sign for somewhere in the $3 million neighborhood, particularly if he's as keen on pitching for the Mets as he seems to be. He has four strikeouts and just one hit allowed in three innings pitched so far in WBC action and, while he certainly isn't facing the Phillies or the Cubs out there, if he continues to pitch well and the Mets' current fifth starter candidates continue to founder, Pedro's return to the Mets becomes increasingly more likely. Beyond that, he probably makes sense as an insurance policy should Mike Pelfrey or Johan Santana suffer a setback between now and opening day.

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I'd be open to signing Pedro for <$3 mil

However, I’d still prefer Niese gets the job

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Mar 10, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I say sign Pedro and make him the 5th starter.

IMO, with Pedro, there’s some upside. He proved he could pitch at 91 MPH when he first came over here, his stats indicated he was unlucky last season, and his skills should have bounced back a bit more from last year as well.

I like Niese, but I also like having pitching depth. Start him off in Buffalo b/c chances are we’ll need him at some point this year.

by SQUAD on Mar 10, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

you're cruel, eric
We all laughed at the time, and for good reason: Hernandez is fat

mo vaughn takes severe umbrage.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 10, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it very interesting

that Pedro, provided he’s quoted accurately, seems ok with labeling himself as a ‘fifth starter’.

Humility like that I can get behind. Besides, the other options are pretty terrible. I’d love for Niese to start, but I think he should get another season of minor league work under his belt. Besides, someone’s gonna go down with an injury eventually.

by theflicker on Mar 10, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Humility?

Pedro’s words from March 3rd:

“If I wanted to pitch that bad, I probably would. But I don’t think I’m in that stage,” he said. “I believe I’m very comfortable. I’m not going to let anybody disrespect my abilities the way I am. I’d say no, that’s it. I wouldn’t say I want to pitch that bad.”

Rodriguez said he would welcome a return to the Mets, but he also said he’d love to play for any team “that would give me respect, treat me the right way … make me feel comfortable.”

Pedro wants to be treated like the pitcher he was, not the pitcher he is. Why throw $3 million at him when his heart and mind may not be in it? (Not to mention his body) Right now the fifth starter options are weak. But to guarantee money to Pedro, on top of what is guaranteed to Redding is silly. I’d rather they keep payroll flexibility for an a potential trade later in the year.

by Reg Dunlop on Mar 10, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope

we don’t throw guaranteed money at Pedro Rodriguez

Now Pedro Martinez, on the other hand…

by cjmulrain on Mar 10, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

I didn’t even pick up on that. It wasn’t me though. That was copied from North Jersey.com

I’m surprised it hasn’t been edited.

by Reg Dunlop on Mar 11, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's like

the whole Manny Rodriguez thing. Must be a culture of “they all look the same” among sports journalists…!

by deadspy3 on Mar 11, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Pedro over our other options

But obviously it would depend a lot on the money.

by Gina on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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