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Mets Announcer Tournament First Round: Tom Seaver vs. Tim McCarver

Friday's results: Gary Cohen (95%) def. Jiggs McDonald (5%). Today's matchup might be the most intriguing of the first round. Tom Terrific is the greatest Met player ever, but his time in the booth wasn't exactly memorable. McCarver gets a bad rap for his long-winded style, and deservedly so, but I think he was better in the 1980's-1990's than he is today:

Tom Seaver                    VS.                    Tim McCarver

TV Tenure (1999-2005)                            TV Tenure (1983-1998)

Seaver_cy_young_medium           Mccarver_medium

 



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Amazin' Avenue Mets Announcer Tournament First Round
Tom Seaver
150 votes
Tim McCarver
225 votes

375 votes | Poll has closed

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mine was a vote against mccarver.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Mar 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

41

I think McCarver was a better announcer, but can you really vote against 41 in this race.

by whynot on Mar 16, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough Call

As someone who remembers Tim McCarver during the 80’s I can say that he was much better then, than he is now. I attribute that to the fact that the three man booth of McCarver, Kiner, and Zabriskie, allowed each to share play-by-play and color duties. Now that Timmeh only does color it has become a constant demonstration of how much he “knows” mixed with awkward, obscure, and often incorrect pop culture references.

Seaver never really seemed to embrace the booth.

As of now I remain undecided.

by Reg Dunlop on Mar 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

remember sane McCarver

Growing up in the 80s, I learned a lot of what I know about baseball by watching a much more subdued McCarver. I agree that he is completely insufferable now, but back then he was a welcome dose of insight and perspective.

Never felt Seaver has added much to my viewing experience as an announcer.

We’ve been really lucky – a LOT of great announcers over the years.

by metsjetsnets on Mar 16, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Seaver comes off as very arrogant (esp. in regards to pitch counts)

that being said, the guy desereves to be arrogant as one of the best pitchers ever and that attitude probably helped get him where he is today. While Darling does a great job explaining grips and pitching, Seaver can rival him if given the right questions. That’s the real problem with Seaver, he needs a good straight man if you’ll allow me to use a comedy metaphor.

by Sokojoe on Mar 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

80s McCarver was awesome

…90s+ McCarver not so good.
Seaver, awesome pitcher, as an announcer, meh.

by djbutler73 on Mar 16, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the toughest matchup

I held my breath and went with McCarver.

by jasondg on Mar 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

voting

I wonder how many unique voters there are as opposed to one person voting multiple times…

by jaronson5 on Mar 16, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

You can only vote once

Unless you jump through some hoops to clear browser cookies, which is only possible if you’re not already logged into SBN (i.e. you’re voting anonymously).

by Eric Simon on Mar 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

mccarver's current assness can not be ignored

regardless of how bearable and inoffensive he was in the past.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it can

You’re just not trying hard enough.

by Eric Simon on Mar 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

but his dyed orange hair alone is a lot to get over.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't hear McCarver in the '80s

So it wouldn’t be fair for me to vote. If it were based on recent performance, I would go with Seaver all the way.

"One of the nice things about baseball is that there are no rules you can't break." - Jim Bouton

by Prince on Mar 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

mccarver is the first voice i associated with baseball

i don’t really remember seaver as a broadcaster (didn’t watch much baseball during his tenure). so my vote went to mccarver.

by englishgrey on Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

McCarver

Just as I wouldn’t judge the 86 Mets by the standard set by say the 1993 Mets, I won’t judge the 80’s McCarver by the current model. And Seaver in the booth could be plenty insufferable and actually never sounded that bright. I got the impression he was winging it most of the time and did not really know the players that well at all.

by Endys Game on Mar 16, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing about Seaver

I remember him being better in the Yankees booth than he was with the Mets. Maybe he was more into it back then or maybe compared to Rizzuto anyone was better. I know that doesn’t matter since this is about his Mets tenure, but I though I’d throw that out there.

by Reg Dunlop on Mar 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I went with Seaver

I’m too young to remember McCarver in the 80’s, but when I started watching I didn’t like him that much. I don’t want my announcers to be homers (I think I’d kill myself if I was a Marlins fan), but I used to get the feeling that McCarver actively disliked the Mets. In a town where the top radio hosts on the Mets flagship station were a Yankees and a Giants fan, I didn’t care for a Mets broadcaster who seemed to be rooting against the team. He seemed much happier when he went to the Yankees, and I was much happier as well.

Seaver wasn’t great, but I always found his arrogance to be pretty funny. He had a very “I’m Tom Seaver and you’re not” attitude, which I kinda loved.

by cjmulrain on Mar 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

McCarver

Seaver is pretty terrible, guys. He even manages to grind broadcasts to a halt when he comes in for half-innings to promote his wine collection on SNY. He’s a true bore. I obviously have great respect for being the greatest player in the franchise’s history. But he was a terrible announcer.

McCarver was mostly palatable when he was a Mets announcer. He’s absolutely excruciating now. But this is a Mets announcer tournament, and I don’t really see how Seaver could justifiably win this matchup under those terms.

by DannyMetsGeek on Mar 16, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

McCarver got my vote

He, Zabriskie, and Ralph on Channel 9 on a summer night was one of the things the 9-year-old version of me really looked forward to. Tim wasn’t as much of a Joe Morgan-lite back then (maybe FOX trained him to be more idiotic, it is FOX, after all) and he worked well with Ralph and Steve.

Seaver wasn’t bad, but McCarver was better back in the 80s.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 16, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

McCarver

was great in his prime. Seaver was always dreadful. No contest

by the stork on Mar 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

As others have said

McCarver was pretty good back in the day, even through the mid 90’s. He really helped draw me into baseball, personally. Seaver, meanwhile… well, I wish his stint in the booth had never happened.

by Joamiq on Mar 16, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Kiner made McCarver Better

Keep in mind that when it was just Ralph and Tim, Tim was the play-by-play guy – and he was pretty good at it. It wasn’t until he wanted to be like Joe Morgan that his announcing went to hell. I love Tom Seaver (heck my kid is named after him), but McCarver and Kiner were the voices of the 80s. . .

by rcfriedberg on Mar 16, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Tom Seaver

should be loved as a pitcher but not a broadcaster. He had a million dollar arm and a ten cent personality

by the stork on Mar 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to the updated bracket links?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the reminder

Will either post in tomorrow’s matchup or on Thursday when the 1st round is complete

by James Kannengieser on Mar 17, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCarver on this one

Before the abomination that is Comcast Sportsnet Filadelfia ever existed, I used to get Channel 9 as a kid, and that’s where all the Mets games were broadcast. I remember McCarver teamed up with Gary Thorne. I found him to be tolerable then, and I liked Thorne as well. So based on that experience, and the fact that Seaver could come across as condescending behind the microfone, my vote went to McCarver. It probably won’t in the later rounds, though.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!

by R_Adragna on Mar 16, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

How can any Met fan willingly vote for a man who betrayed (yes, BETRAYED) the Mets for the Yankees? ’Nuff said.

by JK-47 on Mar 17, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

That's actually a fair point

I mean, I’m sure it was strictly a business move. But come ON. Tom Seaver calling games for the Yankees?! That’s like Jetes calling games for the Mets.

"One of the nice things about baseball is that there are no rules you can't break." - Jim Bouton

by Prince on Mar 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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