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Could be nothing, but 'persistent elbow discomfort' usually portends something worse. Plus, there's that Verducci Effect thing.

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Is it o.k. for me to like the fact that he has an injury because he plays for the Phillies?

Another pitcher, another injury. WTF?

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

Because then it is o.k. for me to do the same thing.

by Reg Dunlop on Mar 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

way to jinx us, guys

now he’s going to end up with superpowers like that movie where the kid broke his arm and ended up in the majors because it healed weird.

;)

by hotspur on Mar 16, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some pitchers prefer ice, some prefer heat

But I’ve found the soultion! HOT ICE! See you take the Ice and heat it up till it’s hot.

by Sokojoe on Mar 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is so stupid

that it’s funny. :-P

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's fine

unless that injury is actually debilitating, i dont see the problem. he’s still rich and can lead a long and healthy life. so screw him.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's my boy!

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what ~270 innings in the regular and postseason might do to a guy

Plus another ~30 or so in spring training. Of course we don’t know if this is actually a problem, but still, lot of work for Whole Camels last season.

by James Kannengieser on Mar 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I say:

"Put some Tussin’ on it!!!

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid enter key.

What if the bottle’s empty? Put some water in it, shake it up…more ’Tussin.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much for a drop-uh-Tussin?!

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like an asshole for saying this

But I hope he pays a visit for Jimmy Andrews for some TJ surgery soon. Phuck the Phillies.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 16, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Verducci effect
Named for Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated, this is a negative forward indicator for pitcher workload. Verducci, who called this the ‘Year After Effect,’ found that pitchers under the age of 25 who have 30-inning increases year over year tend to underperform. Will Carroll independently found that pitchers who break the “Rule of 30” tend to get injured. Carroll renamed this ‘rule’ the Verducci Effect in honor of the man who initially found the evidence.

baseball prospectus

by Gina on Mar 16, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now I know

Knowledge is half the battle. Now if only the baseball machine can spit out balls a little lower to Rollins…

by cuseindahuse on Mar 17, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget

there is plenty of criticism of the verducci affect too. the main discrepency comes from the fact that its not simply the number of innings that lead to increased injury, its the extra innings logged on an already fatigued arm. its a subtle difference and unfortuntley its impossible for the average fan and probably even the most well connected beat reporter to know exactly when a young pitcher’s arm is fatigued and how many pitches beyond that point the fatigued arm throws. what it does mean though, is that is possible to go over the verducci limit and suffer no ill affects as long as the arm is properly monitored.

uh, but yeah, hamels is a butt head.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn Gina!

That’s good stuff. Heard about this (Verducci) on the way to work. Question: Would a 6 man rotation improve these problems? Is a 6 man rotation feasible? Don’t be too angry with me asking such stupid questions, I’m just curious.

" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you want fewer Santana starts?

If not, the key is just to monitor young pitchers and build them up with incremental IP increases. This starts way before they get to the majors.

by jasondg on Mar 17, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 6 man rotation would be feasible for some teams

But for us it would be a nightmare, do you really want to take starts from Santana and give them to Livan + ????

by Gina on Mar 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I shudder

at the thought of 6-man rotations.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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