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So, silly question, does Mike Francesa want to give credit to Derek Jeter for last night's USA victory? Or maybe Shane Victorino/Jimmy Rollins? Oh, that's right, it was our own unclutch player who won the game for the US. 

Around Port St. Lucie

Not much game action in Port St. Lucie yesterday, besides a simulated 4 inning performance by Johan Santana in which he gave up 2 "runs" and giving the umpires a hard time. Santana continues to be on target for his opening day start. The rest of the team was at Lake Buena Vista to lose to the Braves 5-1. Jon Niese had his best outing of the spring, keeping himself in contention for the fifth starter spot, while Daniel Murphy had 3 hits and Ryan Church hit a solo home run.

The Mets return to Port St. Lucie today for another shot at Atlanta. Livan Hernandez and Freddy Garcia are both scheduled to pitch for the Mets while top prospect Tommy Hanson is going for the Braves.

While the Mets' play this Spring Training has been lackluster record wise, we can take hope in their top players' strong performances during the World Baseball Classic. Now hurry up and lose and get back to camp. All of you.

Amazin' Avenue's own fearless leader Eric Simon gives a quick primer on the likely faces in the opening day bullpen. It certainly looks like a vast improvement over last year. 

The Orioles have rejected Rocky Cherry's return to their team, so it looks like the Mets will get to negotiate a new contract for the reliever.

MetsMerized throws some water on our love for Mike Pelfrey. This argument seems to overrely on the K/9 inning statistic while ignoring actually watching Pelfrey's starts. The guy doesn't give up home runs and is starting to improve his control. I'm significantly more comfortable with him than is rational. That being said, I'm not drafting him in fantasy.

The New Yorker gives a great feature story on New York's two new baseball stadiums. The writer also offers up an all-too-fair criticism of the Mets' embrace of New York's National League heritage to replace their own uniqueness.

Oh yeah, and Oliver Perez threw 85 pitches in Mexico's last game.

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Every time I see John Lannan's name

I feel the need to point out that he struck me out in high school. That’s not saying much, considering I once struck out in 16 straight at-bats (which I think might be a CHSAA record), but still, pretty cool. Also, Lannan wasn’t even close to the best player on Chaminade when we were seniors – they had a kid named Craig Cooper who was both a better pitcher, and an unbelievable hitter. He went to Notre Dame, was an All-American, and is currently in the Padres farm system, and it looks like he can still hit.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

ah, good ole CHSAA

i graduated from chaminade in ’01. never played baseball, but played hockey all four years.

by englishgrey on Mar 18, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to St. Mary's

went there for basketball, but ended up not playing after getting hurt as a freshman, and instead played on an absolutely horrible baseball team for 4 years. We won 1 CHSAA league game in my four years, though we always did very well against public school teams. We lost in extra innings to Garden City one year, and they ended up winning their division. The CHSAA is definitely the cream of the LI crop.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Yorker Article

This quote sums up a lot of how I feel about Citi Field:

At Citi Field, conversely, the Ebbets Field façade, stuck in the middle of acres of parking (as Shea was), seems more like a theme park than it would if it were in the middle of the city.

I think it’s a gorgeous park, and it’s gonna be a hell of a lot nicer than Shea (memories aside), but it just looks out of place. Part of what made Ebbets such an iconic place was the way it was nestled into the Brooklyn Community – the famous ship-like facade wasn’t just there for looks, it was an architectural necessity because of pre-existing streets. If there was any ballpark I wish I could have seen in person, Ebbets Field is far and away at the top of the list, and I liked that Citi Field was copying that look, but it just looks out of place in the middle of a vast parking lot.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Might be better

if/when they redevelop Willets Point. This isn’t exactly what you’re saying, but Shea looked like a dump and, therefore, didn’t look out of place in a dump.

by jasondg on Mar 18, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked this quote
True, the identity of the Mets—whose colors combine the blue of the Dodgers and the orange of the Giants—has thrived on a magpie element, but there’s something a bit dishonest about naming the rotunda for Jackie Robinson, who never wore a Mets uniform. A pastiche of the Dodgers’ former field in Brooklyn pasted onto the façade of a different team’s twenty-first-century ballpark in Queens is less a historical tribute than it is an act of make-believe.

Practicality concerns aside, I strongly agree with the article’s author that the Mets and the city would’ve been better served by a new stadium closer to the urban core than on the extreme outskirts:

It’s a pity that the Mets didn’t build on the far West Side of Manhattan, where Colonel Ruppert first thought of putting Yankee Stadium, ninety years ago, and where the Jets recently tried to build a football stadium. A football stadium doesn’t need to be in the middle of a city, but a baseball park, smaller and used much more often, does.

I remember, from the recent HBO documentary Brooklyn Dodgers: The Ghosts of Flatbush, that Walter O’Malley wanted to build a new stadium in Brooklyn (somewhere near the present Atlantic Yards project, if I’m not mistaken). Robert Moses, who had a tremendous amount of power in the city at that point in time, was very much a car-oriented planner and tried to push O’Malley to accept land in Flushing Meadows Park instead, believing it to be more important that a new stadium be accessible by highway and have a vast amount of parking in order to be accessible from the suburbs, which were a quickly growing population center at that point in time. (Disclaimer: My narrative here may be colored here by the fact that I am very much not a fan of Robert Moses.) At an impasse, O’Malley took what was, really, a very generous offer from the Los Angeles city government and moved the team. A few years later, Moses got his wish, a city-owned multi-use stadium in Flushing surrounded by acres of parking, near the site of the World’s Fair, and the Mets (and, for a time, the Jets) to play there.

Well, my point is, it’s not the middle of the 20th century anymore; the Robert Moses era is thankfully in the past. The suburbs are no longer the wave of the future. I don’t want to get into a whole long discussion of urban planning here, but I think it’s apparent that a lot of people (of various age groups, but especially young educated people) are seeing the appeal of revitalized urban neighborhoods rather than less densely populated suburban areas where you have to get in your car to buy so much as a quart of milk.

Because of this, I think the Mets missed an opportunity by building their new stadium out in an area that was originally selected to cater to the Long Island suburbs. I don’t know whether they looked at locations closer to the middle of the city, but they should have. Bloomberg was, at one point, all about a stadium on the West Side; one of the biggest criticisms of that proposal, that it was too much work and too much money for a stadium to host ten games a year, could’ve been knocked out of the park if it were being built for the Mets instead. Alternately, the Mets could’ve done true justice to the Dodger legacy the Wilpons love so much by building in Brooklyn: on the Columbia Street waterfront (my dream plan; you could actually build a stadium that faced the lower Manhattan skyline), or around the Gowanus Canal (an area that badly needs to be cleaned up and redeveloped), or even at Atlantic Yards (where O’Malley wanted to build a new stadium in the first place).

We’re all used to the fact that it’s a pain in the ass to get to Shea, and there’s nothing to do there before or after a game, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Redeveloping Willets Point into a “ballpark village” is a neat idea, sure, but it will be a pale replica of a real neighborhood surrounding a stadium that’s been interwoven into a community (Wrigleyville, or Kenmore Square, or South Beach, or LoDo), and nobody is going to mistake it for the real thing.

Whew, that went on for a while. My congratulations to you if you made it through the whole thing.

by JoshNY on Mar 18, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Robert Moses

may be the worst person in the history of New York. Although, that Dodgers Atlantic Yards stadium would have been awful – it was basically gonna be the Astrodome before the Astrodome:

http://www.covehurst.net/ddyte/brooklyn/never_were.html

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

with the exception of everyone in the book “The Gangs of New York.”

Even if he’s judged solely on the Gowanus Expressway and making Jones Beach inaccessible to buses, he’s one of the worst people in New York’s history. Judged on his entire body of work, he’s the Don Bradman of terrible urban planning, plus he was horribly racist, classist, and corrupt.

by hotspur on Mar 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Gangs of New York

may have been bad people, but they gave us an awesome Daniel Day-Lewis performance. If he ever gets to play Robert Moses, maybe I’ll start to forgive the guy.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

I don’t know that I’ve ever actually seen that design, and I’m not really a huge fan, but I don’t think it invalidates the concept of a centrally-located stadium.

by JoshNY on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

absolutely not. I wish they HAD built a centrally located stadium, either for the Dodgers or the Mets. But the particular centrally located stadium O’Malley wanted would have been butt ugly, and in retrospect I’m glad it didn’t get built. Besides, if the Dodgers had a dome, you KNOW Steinbrenner would have demanded a dome when he bought the Yankees.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

although by the time Steinbrenner actually got around to building a new stadium (i.e., now), we had all come to recognize that domed stadiums are not ideal

by JoshNY on Mar 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

I imagine he would have either put the dome on when he “renovated” Yankee Stadium in the 70’s, if not outright tore it down and built a whole new stadium.

I wonder if the Giants still would have moved had the Dodgers built a new stadium. I know it was O’Malley who ultimately convinced the Giants owner to go, but I have a feeling they would have ended up leaving anyway. If I’m not mistaken they had flirted with leaving even before the Dodgers, and the Polo Grounds was just as obsolete as Ebbets. I wonder how different baseball history might have been had the Dodgers stayed put. I might be a (ugh) Yankees fan. This conversation is making me wish Amazin Avenue had an old timer or two like George Cronin over at BBV.

by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is something to wonder about, isn't it?

My father grew up a Dodgers fan and I presumably would be too if they had never left. He’s a little too young to have much info about the departure of the Dodgers and Giants, other than how sad it made him – he was only 11 when they left.

by JoshNY on Mar 19, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ideally, this sounds great

but i think any stadium built in an already-populated section of the city (anywhere in manhattan, north brooklyn, western part of queens) would run into a lot of opposition. the opposition to the west side stadium was just not about the how little the stadium would be used, but also about traffic congestion, gentrification, and using the space for housing or other urban uses.
 
i live in boston, and while i really like being able to walk to fenway park to go to a game, the baseball season can be a huge pain in the ass for people who live near the stadium. all the public parking spaces are taken by people going to the game on gamedays (even those spots that require a permit since the ticket for illegally parking in those spots is equivalent to paying for private parking), there’s a lot of loud (and drunk) people roaming the streets after the game, and driving from a job outside the city on a gameday can be painful (i worked 25 minutes north of boston this past summer, and driving home on gameday would easily add 30 minutes to my commute).

so while there are a lot of benefits to having a ballpark integrated into an urban environment, i think any such proposal would run into a lot of opposition. it’s a classic NIMBY (not in my backyard) problem.

by englishgrey on Mar 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

+100

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Mar 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd, thanks

We should have a standing thread for Robert Moses-bashing, Willets Point-watching, and thoughts about stadiums as part of the urban environment. These discussions have been some of my favorites over this site’s history and are very much worth reopening and re-linking every once in a while.

by anonymous on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah even with the horrid k/9

Pelfrey’s FIP was still below 4, I’d say that’s pretty good. His xFIP & tra weren’t as good, but they were still good enough to place him as a number 3 type starter in the NL, borderline low end 2. I think the question should be more whether he can maintain/improve on last season.

by Gina on Mar 18, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I got a new sig from the Hardball Times article

I dunno how long I’ll keep it though…

"If you bat [Luis] leadoff instead of sixth, say, you are taking away 18 plate appearances each from Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Delgado and Church and handing them to Castillo." John Walsh http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/five-questions-new-york-mets4/

by hotspur on Mar 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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