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Around SBN: Terry Collins, David Wright, And The Mets/Brewers Kerfuffle

Open Thread: Mets vs Brewers

Milwaukee Brewers at New York Mets, Apr 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT



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W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Johan Santana 1-1 2 2 0 0 0 0 12.2 6 3 1 0 5 20 0.71 .87


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Yovani Gallardo 1-1 2 2 0 0 0 0 11.2 9 9 9 2 6 9 6.94 1.29

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First SWAG

Whoot! For a variety of reasons, including bad timing and caring for a pair of little Met fans, this is my first SWAG. :-)

The 2009 NY Mets: WE GOT K-ROD! OMG, Putz, too! Sign Lowe! Lowe's a Brave. Sign Manny! Tim Redding, WTF? Sign Manny! Sheets or Perez? SHEETS! Perez?? Oh, Sheets is hurt -- good job, Minaya! WTF?! SIGN MANNY!

by ZaBlanc on Apr 18, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh Arsenal and Chelsea is on the same time as the mets game

Once again why does the universe not coordinate these things better.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

is that game actually on teevee?

or is there a stream available?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

although I’m having trouble with the language . . . Russian?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN has lost the rights to the Champions League

which is awesome, because I can’t stand Tommy Smyth.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add

I don’t know why they or Fox Soccer Channel don’t show this FA Cup semi — United and Everton are on FSC tomorrow.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're not allowed to do Saturday

games. FOX has the rights. Plus they have NBA playoff games today.

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

But speaking of FOX Saturday Baseball

Not to complain, but why doesn’t it ever start until the beginning of June? Do they get better ratings in April and May when local affiliates show old, crappy movies?

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes them until Mid June

to write all the crappy platitudes that Buck and McCarver will spew for the ensuing 4 months.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they're working on

the glowing baseball with a color-coded speed tail

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another good question

why did they have it last week and THEN take it away until June?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what do ya know?

Yankees-Indians. Maybe they’re going the whole season this year?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

as an out-of-towner

this is good because that means more mets games up here in boston…but if i was in ny, i’d rather see the games on sny

by englishgrey on Apr 18, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Santana fella seems to be an ok pitcher.

Day baseball is a good thing. Let’s Go Mets!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like Santana is a pitcher

Who’s going to keep reinventing himself, and somehow manage to stay awesome every time.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel like

Rickie Weeks is in for a bunch of K’s today

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

hush yer mouf

Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart can go on base, as long as Johan keeps the rest of them failing.

Also i forgot Yovani was pitching today. ugh

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but Yahoo doesn’t give credit for pitchers hitting homers… sucks for Micah Owings

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah like a week into the season

Everyone in nearly every league I was in dropped weeks. So now I have him on like ten teams.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I hate to gush and sound cliche

But he just knows how to pitch, which I think is the problem with most of the rest of our starters they don’t know how to use their strengths and weaknesses. Johan knows he can’t just k everyone and blow them away with heat anymore so he’s reinvented himself into a guy who gets weak contact.</end fangirl>

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think you're alone in your johan love

i guess we’ll really find out if that smart of a pitcher in the later years of his contract….but his been dominant so far this season

by englishgrey on Apr 18, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Keith today?

Late night, perhaps?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

he has a garage

to clean out, remember?
he said he’s TiVo-ing the game.

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone with MLB.tv

having a problem with the HD plug-in? I’ve downloaded it twice, both times it works for like 2 or 3 games, and then they say I don’t have it and have to download it again. The first time I thought maybe it was b/c I cleaned up my PC and cleaned out my cookies and whatnot, but this time I haven’t done anything and it just disappeared. Strange.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Corey Hart

Not wearing his sunglasses during at day?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

last two pitches to fielder

93mph fastball and 79mph change…ouch

by englishgrey on Apr 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

that changeup

is just nasty. He makes good hitters look foolish with that pitch

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose getting things going . . .

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

too bad it took him like a whole 5% of the season to figure it out…

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

g*damn Faux, MLB

Baseball, like information, wants to be free.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Having to pay for it wouldn't even bother me

If I knew a good portion of games weren’t going to be blacked out because I’m in some awkward area where a bunch of NL markets rights collide.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i DO pay for it, but since a big corporation also paid for it, I get nothing on Saturdays

ah someday I’ll see Bud Selig in a dark alley

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah i totally forgot about that

Another reason it would bother me to pay for it.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The black out the whole afternoon?

Even while Fox isn’t broadcasting a game? That’s some serious bullshit.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they could care less about the fans

as if its not possible to renegotiate the terms of that contract so the games can get viewed by the public. They sell the games twice and, short of getting Sen Kerry involved, MLB will do whatever they like.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's probably possible

But Fox probably plays a crapton for exclusive rights. I do think it’s stupid that they expect people to pay 100+, although it was only like 80 this year, bucks a year when they won’t be able to see any games on Saturday.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

160 actually

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

its been like this for years

MLB “Extra” innings

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked like Reyes was out

definitely take the break, tho

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

5-0 Natz

in DC. Johnson getting killed and sinking my FB team

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn!

Where was that Josh Johnson last Sunday when we needed him?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson

he’s a very good pitcher

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

we give up a lot less defensively. It just makes more sense.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh we give up less

But it’s still a crapton we’re giving up

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

It doesn’t really matter if Delgado is going well. He can’t hit that pitch.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

3 Ks.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny Ramirez wouldn't strike out there

If he felt like playing today

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Derek Jeter would go hitless in his first four AB's

And then homer to win the game, demonstrating his clutchness and gamesmanship.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Scott Brosius was also gritty. They got lucky to win in ’96, but once he joined the team they became a dynasty.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little known fact:

Did you know that Jeffrey Maier was really Derek Jeter in disguise? Magically clutch.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could you tell?

Did you catch sight of his edge?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's on his website

Have you seen his website?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johan even has a handshake for Chad the batboy

he’s officially the most awesome person in the history of baseball

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

hasn't seemed to be a problem so far

got a nice little career going, this Santana chap

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him

i don’t care what anybody says

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wow

the celtics kind of need KG.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

i am a big celts fan

it usually gives me a release from the ineptitude of my other favorite team.
but they look terrible right now.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron narrowly avoided a paparazzi firestorm there

If he had telestrated his office building in Manhattan, his adoring fortysomething fans would have run into it screaming and looking for him. TMZ would have barged into his office.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

No idea

Is that where he entertains offers from Sovereign Bank?

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably

where he was able to arrange trysts with David Eckstein when the Pads were in town.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson just gave up another run

6-2 Natz. I’m so finishing last in one of my FB

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I just gotta share this guys optimism, misdirected perhaps, but inspiring nonetheless

From an article on Pelfrey:

Ever since Nelson made his first start for the Mets last season i enjoyed watching him pitch. Hes not a rotation starter by any means, but he definately can spot start as well as the rest of them. I really like his “quick-pitch” talent, as it definately seems to throw off batters. He goes out there and takes the ball, and when he gets rid of it, he asks for it back as soon as possible and gets rid of it as quick as possible. No need to be concerned with Pelfrey, he did throw a lot last year I do hope they put him on the DL so he can get the real treatment he needs, take a few days off from baseball activities completely, and then getready. better to get it over with now than after the All-Star break, and i would like to see the Mets use a few minor league guys early in the year for some spot starts to keep all the starters fresh once its crunch time. And dont forget, once Redding lands himself on the active roster, he can spot start as well, as overall he isnt a bad pitcher, hes just never played for a good team until now.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

nah

he just never played on a good team …until NOW!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has looked very good in the field so far this year

This is a good thing.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if Stuart Scott did baseball?

shiver

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting plan
Church in CF and Sheffield in RF

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

No

that’s not interesting. that’s awful

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

for one game, its not that bad

I’m all for getting the big three days off here and there.

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Reed

is the backup CF… when Sheff plays, I think LF is the place for him to be.

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

who knows?

the teevee said it, not that it necessarily makes any sense.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus

Church has played CF before. He could do a decent job for a game

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You guys don’t have to show the game in between. Just the interview.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose

still hitting. Keep going.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Pfft Milano

you should be a mets fan too.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

the whole Dodger thing ruined it

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

what exactly does Alyssa Milano sell at Citi?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm

I’ll take Alyssa Milano as a Dodger fan.

But that’s pretty cool too, though.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's an OK writer

But she kept darting between the past two years and the economy and the ballpark. And complaining about the selection of food available at Citi? Does not compute.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

not really sure what the point of the article was (other than “hey, I’m a Mets fan!”)

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha all the comments on her blog are from

guys trying to get her attention.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang

stupid Bill Hall and his defense.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Fielder's taken some pounds off?

Where?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

his hands and toes

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a little lighter

like 20 lbs but he’s still a big boy

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You beat me to it

Last night I thought, Yeah, I guess he’s lost a little. But looking at him from the back, I really doubt it. He’s still enormous.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

the braves need a bat bad.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Well . . .

they’ve got Chipp—oh, right. Well, that Brian McCa—oh, he’s not hitting yet.

But, hey, Jeff Francoeur seems to be back!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, man

We canNOT go without scoring a couple of runs for Johan. The way the rest of the rotation has looked, you can’t waste such a great effort from your ace…again.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that's the problem

We need to pitch Livan #1 or something and let Santana face off against other teams lesser pitchers.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that have a counter-effect?

Especially given our track record against lesser pitchers?

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Much better to BEAT the opposing team’s ace. Which we will do today… Our ’pen is far superior to theirs. WE HAVE THE PUTZ-ROD.

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

way to support your ace with offense huh?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I understand it's frustrating

But when you’re ace is going up against other awesome pitchers it happens

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well sure but the Mets have scored 3 runs in the 3 games he's pitched

and the Reds, Brewers Marlins aren’t the Yankees, Sawx or Phillies.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does it matter what teams the pitchers are on?

Gallardo is good period. and Johnson was pitching out of his mind last week.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it only matters if you ever want to see Santana win

and by extension the Mets. If they can’t beat the second division with their best pitcher…you think that’s a good sign?
Do i really need to explain this?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you do

Cause what you’re saying makes absolutely no sense. When Gallardo pitches the Brewers are WAY better than a second division team, their only weakness this year is their starting pitching, it just happens to be a huge weakness, Gallardo isn’t part of that weakness. If they had league average pitchers behind him they could probably be a 90 win team.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gallardo has won 10 games in his life

hardly the HoF lock.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before last year Lincecum had won 7

Why does how many pitchers a young pitcher with little mlb time has won matter?

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Career minor league stats:

27-13, 2.59 ERA, 10.4 K/9, 3.2 K/BB.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i see you're right

He’s an all-star because of his minor league stats, and the Mets don’t need to beat second division teams with their ace on the mound. The anemic offense is not a problem. This is a terrific trend. I get it.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you're right

The Brewers are an awful team. They def. didn’t win 90 games and make the playoffs last year. And they no longer have Sheets and Sabathia, so they’re automatically awful. They should lose to everyone except the Nats and Pirates (who aren’t as good as them, of course). Which puts them at 23-139 for the year. Cos, you know, superior teams always beat inferior teams.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow.

WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS GAME!

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

just got in

I see I have not missed anything game-wise, anything exciting happen worth updating?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

3456

Hitters 3-6 not doing anything for the Mets so far, this kid for the Crew must be pretty good.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

old fashioned pitches duel going on

Darn, I predicted Mets would score 8 in the SWAG. What was I thinking?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I had it being 6-3

Mental lapse on my part. I forgot about Gallardo’s nastiness because he hardly pitched last year.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves and Fish both losing

Love to see that, especially Josh Johnson getting hit around.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Beltran with a base knock

Let’s get another hit and bring him atound, get Johan a lead here. He’s got maybe 1 more inning left.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Must have been a hell of a play

Out in the left field corner, or a major baserunning gaffe by Beltran.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

he was running with the pitch

it was a major baserunning gaffe though.

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was running on the pitch

Church hit a sinking line drive, and Beltran didn’t pick up the ball while he was running. The LF made a nice throw, and he was dead.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Break up the Bucs

All of a sudden they are playing good ball, or are the Braves just not as good as all the “experts” have been saying?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

It could just be that sometimes lesser teams win?

Also the braves need offense bad. They’re like the exact opposite of our team.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Braves are overrated

But true, sometimes the lesser teams do win. Just not this day for the Braves.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends what you mean by overrated

I think they’re slightly lesser than us, but good enough to win the division with enough breaks.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They might win 85 games

With enough breaks. Not enough for better than third, most likely 4th place this year.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree a lot

I’d say 85 games would be at worse for them.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see

A lot has to go right for them to win 90. Less so to get 85.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're an odd team

Lots of pitching depth, but no true ace. Vasquez and Lowe are nice pitchers, but they’re the fifth or sixth best pitchers in the division at best, and certainly not anything close to Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine. They have an Iffy if not competent bullpen. The offense has some tantalizing pieces, but no true MVP caliber guys (at least ones that can stay on the field). McCann could get there, and their middle infielders are solid, but also unspectacular, but their outfield is a huge mess.

I think the appropriate term for the Braves this year is “dark horse”. They have enough durable SP so that you can’t write them off, but it looks like they’ll need at least a bat to be able to take advantage.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana at 102 pitches

Any chance he comes out for 1 more if he still does not have the lead?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

11 pitch innings certainly help

Mets need to get him a run or two, give him a shot at a win here.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Crew double switch

So we got rid of Gallardo, time to make the donuts here.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

great at bat

Pinch-run? Would be risky. But this should keep Santana in to bunt, assuming they pinch-run. Otherwise it needs to be a hell of a bunt to move him over.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah!

Hoo-ray for shitty defense!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!!!

Rickie Weeks is my hero!

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Johan and a "W"

Lets get him a run now and the win he deserves.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Rickie Weeks sucks

They Brewers should trade him to us, so they can be rid of him

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Hoo-ray!

For more shitty defense! 1-0!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair

that would have been a tough play.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

but that was an absolute bullet.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

fml

gamecast is so slow

by krg391 on Apr 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

mlb.tv

i swear. it’s worth it.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Apr 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recap:

Cora got on because Fielder tossed it to Rickie Weeks, who couldn’t handle the throw and let it trickle away (Santos to third). Then Reyes hit a bullet off the pitcher’s glove. Villanueva was able to get the force at second, but the run scored and Reyes was safe at first. And now MVP candidate Castillo with the oppo hit!

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

lucky us. let’s hit a 3 run homer and end this shit.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Apr 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

gotta love

the walk, bunt error and force out run.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Apr 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah!

We’re finally beating an inferior team, who we should intrinsically beat in every game!

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

it's an outrage

that they even make the Mets show up to play the game.

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice description

by gamecast. What the hell happened?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose knocked Villaneuva's glove off

run scored.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delgado

2 hr and 13 ribbies has to take that award. But Santana is the real MVP with his outstanding 3 starts.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slappy's on fire

glad I benched Villanueva on my fantasy roster today.

by putz-rod.com on Apr 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i didn't

I have Josh Johnson too. Not a good week for my staff as I have Volquez and zambrano too

by DoctorK16 on Apr 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah hell Dub

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Boo!!!

Did I actually hear a smattering of boos? You gotta be kidding me. I remember when players got booed when they deserved it.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i heard it too

stupid

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

GIDP

Damn what a bad time for that.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

How'd we score

MLB.tv crapped out for a bit and I decided to just watch the last few minutes of the Celtics-Bulls (Derek Rose is a beast)

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

OT

Celts were down 1, Pierce got fouled on a shot with 2 seconds left, hit the first and missed the second free throw.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

lead-off single by Hippo, Cora tries to sac bunt but Weeks drops ball at first and Santos (pinch-runner) gets to third, Jose hits bullet off of pitcher’s glove and Santos scores.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here comes JJ

Just like I envisioned all winter. This is how the Mets will will the division.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope

Not that I remember anyway.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not this guy

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said no one would get hit

But I also said there would be a homer. And I had the Mets winning 6-3 for some reason, so I deserve to do poorly.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 k's in a row!!

Stop the presses. Now maybe people will get off Putz’s back for not getting strikeouts, just getting outs.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know if anyone was really getting on him

I think it was just weird, considering how well he was pitching.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw some crap

Written by some so-called expert knocking him for not getting K’s. Guy is a moron for saying that crap. Forgot who he was.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

too bad

I’m not rooting for extras just so he gets another turn.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

here we go

C’mon K-Rod. Mow ’em down.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

first pitch strikes

i feel like our bullpen never gets them but the other one does.
except for frankie. he gets them. i like this guy.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Apr 18, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

not overrated

First pitch strikes are so important.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankie

will get out of this.

by EMSfan9 on Apr 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

at least we can't say we were surprised

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be worse

Benitez and BLooper combined to take 10 years off my life.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marlins trying to rally

6-4, top 9, tying run to the plate, 1 out, 1 run already in. The amazing Amezzaga.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankie

made Fielder look bad on those off-speed pitches

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's Go Rangers!

There’s one 1-0 NY victory today. Let’s go for two!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

If it weren't the Rangers

I’d be all over that, but how can you root for that bunch?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

who, the Rangers?

umm because they are my favorite hockey squadron?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

Signing Avery? How can you root for them after that?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

because that would be a lame reason to stop rooting for a team

that i’ve supported for years. it’s not like he ever killed anybody, he’s just an asshole. hell, Craig MacTavish actually DID kill somebody and i managed to be a Rangers fan when he played for them.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

And I don’t blame you. Team loyalty is a good thing. But I stopped rooting for the KNicks because of the shit that was going on with the team since about 2002, and I’d been a fan for 30 years by that time. So it happens. Good luck to them, the title goes through Boston this year anyway.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strike em out throw em out!

PIITB!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

STRIKE EM OUT

THROW HIM OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUTTTTTTTTTT!

by EMSfan9 on Apr 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

YES!

What a great way to end it!

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Boom!!

What a way to win the game. Mets Win!!!

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

No doubt

Game-winning run, game-winning CS.

Also, great to see Johan get to win which he so deserved.

by Prince on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a team win

Great for all-around morale. Now let’s get the sweep.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

other than the runs part

that is pretty much how this team was drawn up, no? Santana dazzles, Putz and Frankie slam the door. very nice to see. also, we scored that run sans hits. fun stuff.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone else happen to just be watching Fox?

Is Nick Swisher really that much of a douche?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

he was doing the line-ups

and was trying real hard to be very, uh, “wacky”, if that’s the word i’m looking for. just a little much for my taste.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

have it on now

But missed Swisher. What did he do?

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeter jam job

Man, he hit that off the knob….

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

The bats may have been quiet

But Reyes has turned it up a notch the last couple games. Three hits yesterday, two more today plus that RBI fielder’s choice that he scorched. Still wanna see some XBH from him, but he’s looking okay in there.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes

Will come around, we all know it. He has to stay patient, like Wright, let the game come to him, let his natural ability take over, not try and do too much. He has a triples ballpark to play 81 games in, once he gets rolling, watch out.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

and I’m much happier with how his defense is looking early this season. He just seemed to be lacking that 1/4 step last year that was the difference in plays I was used to him making. He’s doing a better job this year, keeping his head down and just making plays look easy.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 18, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliche fest

I read my own post and it sounded like a cliche fest. Now that’s old school baby.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats

just gave up a stolen base to the Marlins catcher, after which the Nats announcer said, in a very deadpan voice, “that’s not supposed to happen.” It was pretty hilarious

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Man

The Nats are bad this year, and the Marlins are taking full advantage.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A team that should be "panicking"

The Yankees. Their defense is absolutely awful. Beginning with their heralded captain.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

What do they expect?

They actually should be a bit better with Gardner this year, but they’re just so bad up the middle. You know you’re in trouble when your best defensive players are corner infielders.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Tex and A-rod are awesome, but it’s like putting fancy rhims on a car that’s been totaled. They’re outfield can’t hit or field.

But even with the bad d i was expecting them to have a way above average offense, obviously with Tex’s usual slow start and A-rod out that’s going to be a ways away. And I expect awesomeness from their rotation, not from Wang though who’s overrated to extents that make no sense.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

their season hinges on ARod, if he doesn’t come back at 100% I don’t think they have a shot at the playoffs. I don’t really follow Yankees news, but the last thing I’ve heard is that ARod might be out longer than originally expected and that he might not be 100% for a while after that.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go out on a limb

and say that this was Wang’s last start for a while. 8 ER in 1.1 innings, and his ERA is now 34.50. Yikes.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's going out on that much of a limb.

I think a lot of people might agree that at best Wang is their 5th best pitcher. Maybe 6th if Hughes ever figures things out.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was good 2 years ago.

I personally thought they were gonna have like 3 aces this year.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they could have 3 aces

I just don’t think Wang will be one of them.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

While Joba is obviously more useful in the rotation, he’s not going to be an ace. He doesn’t have the stamina. Pettitte is past his prime, and Hughes is not ready/overrated.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 18, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petite is past his prime

But he’s still really good. And I’m not sure why Hughes is automatically not ready.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not ready to be an ace.

And honestly, I think Pettite’s overall sum performance for the year = Ollie’s overall sum performance for the year.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree a lot

Petite’s numbers get hurt a lot by bad defense, which likely will happen again this year, but I think he adds more to the team than Ollie will. That’s assuming something doesn’t click in Ollie’s brain.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll go to AAA

To work it out while Hughes gets another cup of coffee with the big club.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to catch NY sports talk radio

Next week to see just how panicky the Yankees fans are.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hermida

just hit a 3 run homer in the 11th against the Nats. Up 9-6

How is it fair that the Marlins get 6 games against the Nats before we get 1?

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

I was at the Nats game last night -- they remind me of last year’s Phillies team….

by MetsfaninVA on Apr 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This means though

that in the stretch, we’ll have more Nats? I haven’t looked at the schedule, but I’m fine with letting the Marlins get out to an early lead, get overconfident, when we’ll have our share of Nats games later on.

by SupT on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that didn't work out too well in '07

when we lost 5 of 6 to the Nats the last 2 weeks. They killed us more than the Marlins

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not 2007 anymore

I think the Marlins have a good shot at being in it at the end, so I’d prefer that they get the easier opponents in early.

by SupT on Apr 18, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

take care of business

If the Mets just worry about winning series, as Willie used to say, things will take care of themselves. The Marlins are hot right now, everything they touch turns to gold, every move works. They have confidence because they win, and they win because they have confidence. They are not a 100 win team, not even a 90 win team. But they have good pitching, and that will keep them in a lot of games. So, ultimately, what beats them is a team that executes and does the little things to win, does not make mistakes that beat themselves, and does not sit around and wait for two and three-run homers to bail them out. The Mets can be that team, but all they can do about the Marlins is play them well head to head and beat them. The other teams will have to contribute as well.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will all even out

Except when the Mets play the Nats the Nats will be red-hot and sweep.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hermida is a good outfielder

I (unfortunately) catch a lot of Marlin games because they are on locally, so I have seen a lot of these guys the last 4 years. They have some real good pieces (Uggla, Ramirez, Hermida) along with some role guys (Amezzaga, Ross, to name a few) who seem to have a knack for coming up big. But they are not yet built to win. They are rough defensively but they are dangerous if they continue to pitch well. An awful lot went right for them last year to stay on the fringe of the race into August, and a lot is going right so far this year. But they are not the 2008 Rays. They are a hot team doing lots of over-achieving right now. They will cool off. Winning in DC right now is not all that tough.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm currenty (pa)trolling the Yanks thread.

“What we need is to trade Wang and some prospects for Halladay”.
This comment came at the end of the top of the 2nd inning, after Wang let up 8 earned runs and brought his ERA up (or maybe it was down) to 34.50 on the year.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The answer is in house

with Nick Swisher. Leads the team in ERA.

"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."

by Preach19 on Apr 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i love how yankee fans think that they can trade for any player, no matter who it is.

by gogomets on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

check out Metsblog comments

sadly, Yankee fans aren’t alone in that line of reasoning.

by cjmulrain on Apr 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

sample metsblog post

The Braves need outfield help. We should trade Sheff/Tatis to them for Hanson. And then we should trade Ollie and Parnell to Brewers for Weeks since they need pitching.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the Brewers one makes some sense.

Weeks has not impressed the last year or so. He’s kind of regressed. I mean, obviously you can’t trade Ollie and Parnell for him, but he could be available this year.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 18, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh I think he MIGHT be available

But I think it’s gonna be at a high cost. Even with his struggles he’s been an above average player, he’s gets a bad rap, IMO because people judge him on what they expect him, which is a lot better than what he’s been. I think he, or hardy, will become available because of cost and having replacements in the wing, not because of performance though.

by Gina on Apr 18, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Let’s do Milledge/Heilman for Zito.

by James Kannengieser on Apr 18, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why shouldn't they?

They’ve been doing that for practically the last 30 years or so.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana is God

And no one on the corner have swagger like us

by James Kannengieser on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You know that's coming

I bet it’s here by Tuesday. And you know Sportscenter will be talking about the Yanks implosion today for days to come.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duaner Sanchez

Doing his best to give the Follies a chance. Way to give up the 8th inning tater on a high change-up. No wonder the Mets got rid of him.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

How about those Padres!

Brad Lidge blows the save and quite possibly the game. Pads tack on 4 runs in the 9th to wipe out the Follies lead and take a 3 run lead with 2 out.

by zmanmetfan on Apr 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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