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Thoughts after my first two games at New Shea

Initial note:  I'm getting behind No Mas's I'm Calling It Shea campaign.  Citi may have given the Wilpons a bunch of money to get their logo all over the place (and it is all over the place - when you were at Shea it didn't say "Shea Stadium" a ton of different places, because the Mets had no contractual obligation to do so, but there are ubiquitous Citi logos around New Shea and the terrible Domino's Pizza logo has worked its way in as well, in particular in the scoreboard graphics I noticed), but they didn't give me any of that money so I have no obligation to drop their name.

I guess I'll do this chronologically, as best I can:

Stadium approach:
- Parking, like everything else, is more expensive - $18, up from (IIRC) $12 last year.  Also, a couple of lots closer to the stadium are reserved for suites/club seats, and also for prepaid parking, so if you're just driving up and paying to park, you're paying more to park further away.  My father and I decided that from now on, unless we're really in a hurry to get out, we're parking on a side street off Roosevelt Avenue and walking an extra ten minutes.
- Tangentially related, after a quick browse through the Mets website, it isn't immediately apparent how you would buy prepaid parking, if you were so inclined.
- The walk to the stadium from the subway platform is nice.  Landscaping and bricks with fan messages on them and all that.

Stadium entry:
- Going in through the Rotunda isn't so bad if you're there early, but the lines get bad closer to game time.
- They should have signs saying which lines are for people with bags and which lines are for people without.
- They should have more people working at the security lines.
- There's a learning curve for fans with regard to the self-service ticket scanners mounted to the turnstiles, and we're not to the top of that curve yet.

Stadium aesthetics:
- Too much black (the outfield wall, say), not enough blue.
- I like the optimism indicated by the fact that there are four currently-unoccupied flagpoles out where the championship flags are flying.
- As has been noted many times, there really do need to be more references to the Mets and their history.  I don't think the Dodgers stuff is overwhelming (and I think it's mainly Jackie Robinson stuff rather than non-Jackie Robinson Dodgers stuff), but there needs to be more orange and blue and Doc and Ed Kranepool and Fonzie and all the rest.

Food (yes, I know everyone else has already talked about food, but I'm going to anyway):
- The Box Frites are very good, only a little more expensive than regular fries, and the lines there are short and quick.  Definitely worth a try.
- On the other hand, as much as I like Shake Shack, the lines are pretty long.  Unless I have lucky timing and catch them at a lull, I think I'll just take a book to Madison Square Park and satisfy my Shack Burger craving there.
- I thought the tacos were pretty good, and while $9.75 for three isn't cheap, after browsing on menupages, it's not really significantly more than what I'd pay at places near my apartment (save for FresCo, and that's obviously a big step down).
- I had my first Mama's of Corona experience yesterday, and that is a very tasty Italian hero.  Loved the mix of hot and roasted peppers and mushrooms.  (Hated the fact that the woman put it into the box upside down for some reason.)
- I know it's a silly thing to get excited about, but I LOVE LOVE LOVE the little Fixins Bar (or whatever it's actually called) that they have by all the regular concession stands.  One thing that annoyed me about Old Shea was that there were zero hot dog vendors on the upper deck where you could get sauerkraut; now you have that plus red onions (over a burner to stay hot, even), raw onions, relish and hot peppers everywhere you can buy a hot dog.
- I didn't eat them myself, but heard from friends that the wings and ribs at Blue Smoke were tasty, but the pulled pork was a little dry.

Baseball-watching experience:
- The out-of-town scoreboard is nice, in my opinion (everything it had at Old Shea, plus an outs indicator and late in yesterday's game it looked like they were starting to use the men-on-base lights as well; I'll post a picture of that later), but it's ridiculous that probably 1/3 of the stadium can't see it.
- Likewise, the video lineup board is nice, but it's frustrating that it's a multipurpose video bard rather than a dedicated board, so you can't see the lineup until right before game time.
- More leg room, wider seats, wider concourses = WIN.
- Fewer mens rooms (come on, it's a baseball stadium, not a club) and no dividers between urinals = FAIL.

How it plays:

- If these two games are any indication, you're going to have to work hard to have something scored an error rather than a hit; there were at least three plays (Wright's bobble, Reyes' triple and also his infield single) that I thought could've been scored errors instead.
- It may just be that Corey Hart is a bad fielder, but I think we had our first indication yesterday that RF might be a bad sun field, in addition to the possibility of weird caroms off that wall.
- Speaking of that wall, I hate contrived quirks like that.  Old stadiums had things like that because they had to.  New stadiums that try to look like old stadiums have things like that just for the sake of having things like that.
- Any home run to right center is going to be earned; it's a long way out there.  On the other hand, a line drive in that gap is a good bet to be a triple (as Omir Santos demonstrated yesterday).
-Ending it with a question: if a ball hits the facade of the Pepsi Porch, is it a home run or is it in play?

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Pepsi Porch

I believe a ball hit off the Pepsi Porch facade is a home run. I’ve heard Gary mention a few times during the games that the facade hangs over the field and theoretically, a fielder could be camped out under the ball, waiting for it to come down, only to have it land in/hit the facade for a home run.

"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez

by OSUmets on Apr 20, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

reyes' triple

exactly how was that not scored an error? what could be more routine about that flyball?

by englishgrey on Apr 20, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no idea.

I thought all three of those were fairly routine plays. I guess Corey Hart needs to wear his sunglasses during the day too.

by JoshNY on Apr 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(yeah, I went there)

by JoshNY on Apr 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't touch the ball

you don’t get an error. Unless, I guess, the ball goes through the legs. Stupid old-school baseball rules.

by jasondg on Apr 20, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

but even so, the other two the fielder bobbled the ball

by JoshNY on Apr 20, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Reyes single was just because

the scorer confused Reyes with Usain Bolt.

by jasondg on Apr 20, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice roundup

Not much to disagree with here. Even the regular concession stands were a substantial improvement, and I also got to try the pizza — which, to my delight, was real pizza. Not the Sbarro’s “jumbo slice,” or whatever.

However, I’ll defend FresCo and other cheap-ass NYC Mexican joints until the bitter end…

by jasondg on Apr 20, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

well yeah, I eat my share of FresCo, but that doesn’t mean I pretend it’s something better than it is.

by JoshNY on Apr 20, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Josh, you're on the list

You can’t expect to malign Fresco/Yummy Taco/Fresh Tortilla and get away with it.

;)

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by hotspur on Apr 21, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not maligning FresCo!

As I said, I eat it sometimes too and it serves its purpose. It occupies a niche between Taco Bell and better Mexican food.

by JoshNY on Apr 22, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait, the pizza is real

like foldable, greasy, NY pizza? That might be the best news I’ve heard, since, ever…I never got how a stadium in friggin New York City used to have Pizza Hut crap instead of good stuff. Now they just need a fresh bagel stand and I won’t even have to go anywhere else but Citi Field when I come back to NY.

by cjmulrain on Apr 21, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More or less

It’s an actual Queens pizza joint that’s doing the pizza, I think — but I forget the name. Foldable but still expensive. They also had stuff like chicken rolls and strombolis.

by jasondg on Apr 21, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never got how a stadium in friggin New York City used to have Pizza Hut crap instead of good stuff

Because the good pizza places can’t give them as much $$ as Pizza Hut or Domino’s.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 21, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Few Notes of My Own

Re: Lineups and Out of Town Scoreboard: I hear you on your gripes, but in the age of Blackberrys and iPhones, these two things aren’t a big deal. When I sat down in my seat to get my scorecard set up I just fired up my BB and had the lineups (along with a nice pre-game writeup from MLB.com.) Same deal for the out of town scores, I was checking my fantasy teams and the scores from my BB bookmarks.

Also, I’m calling it Citi Field. That’s the Stadium’s name.

by SQUAD on Apr 21, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

on both counts. I just know that all the bitching about “Citi Field” is going to bite us in the ass when the bailout money runs out, Citi backs out of the deal, and the Mets end up playing in “Research in Motion Stadium”

by cjmulrain on Apr 21, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you're right about the general accessibility of information

but personally I’d just as soon not have to be pulling my phone out every five minutes to check an out-of-town score.

by JoshNY on Apr 21, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a BlackBerry or iPhone

but am an ardent scoreboard watcher. What about me?!

Also, you’re probably right about the name. It could be much worse, and I’m tired of the pseudo-populist bitching about the bailouts.

by Prince on Apr 21, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm also without fancy phone

and I hate having to bug my brother to check scores on his BlackBerry.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HELLO HELLO

IT’S 2009 – GET A MODERN PHONE

by cjmulrain on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not until some firm pays for one

Until then my 2-year old Motorola will suffice.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 21, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

even the cheap free phones can get internet access now.

by Gina on Apr 21, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

yeah I know but I’m plugged in more than enough sitting at work or watching games, etc. I don’t mind being disconnected for a while when I get the chance.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 21, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in this camp

I spend like 70% of my waking hours staring at spreadsheets and a computer screen. If I go to a Major League Baseball game I’d rather put the phone away. I’m also usually drunk at a baseball game and prone to dropping my phone (this happened on Saturday at Citi Field, and my phone is still funked up).

by James Kannengieser on Apr 21, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the best reason yet

Why should I have to use my technology to get the basics at the most technologically advanced stadium ever built? I also don’t own a BB or IPhone (though I would like to, there’s just not enough money to go around, and no real need either).

by zmanmetfan on Apr 22, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't.

They have these things. You’ll get used to the new way they’re implemented.

by SQUAD on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand what you're saying

But I imagine in the long run the mets are expecting you to be in the minority. I know most of the times when I go to any games on campus everyone has their phone out and is checking it 24-7 regardless of whether there’s an out of town score board. Plus you don’t even need a fancy phone to do that anymore just one with internet access which is starting to become a pretty standard package with some services.

by Gina on Apr 21, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't even need internet access.

Just text 466453 with any MLB team name and you’ll get a text message with the score.

by SQUAD on Apr 21, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with this

I’m a b-berry addict, because of work, but why would I want to check the starting lineups on my b-berry?

One of the more interesting things to me about all this is that the little things we never really appreciated about Shea are coming out — like the starting lineups.

by jasondg on Apr 21, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's true

I’ve long appreciated the great out-of-town scoreboard at Shea, but never really noticed how much I liked the lineup board too.

by JoshNY on Apr 21, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite part

of the scoreboard/lineup board at shea was that they always listed the umpires’ numbers on the board as well. just the numbers. ya know, because most fans would know that balkin’ bob davidson is behind the plate because his number 79 was listed on the scoreboard.

"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez

by OSUmets on Apr 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

I forgot about that. Actually on Sunday we were trying to figure out who the umps were but couldn’t because they’re not posted anywhere.

by JoshNY on Apr 21, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just getting annoyed with a lot of these complaints.

The only people who could possibly be annoyed about the lineup thing are those who keep score, but even then, the lineups were posted in plenty of time. Either way, if this becomes a huge issue, I’m pretty sure this can be remedied by them posting the lineups a bit earlier.

by SQUAD on Apr 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just a little nit

HOK Sports — or whatever it’s called now — isn’t infallible. You needn’t be so irritable.

by jasondg on Apr 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not irritable, I just don't get what the issue is.

Sure they’re little nits, but what they really boil down to are personal preferences. When you really think about it, what the heck is the different whether they have a dedicated lineup board or not? The lineups are posted, albeit not as early as they were at Shea, but they’re there and they’re there the entire game. The only time that I noticed that the lineups weren’t there was briefly between innings when they would run an ad or a promo.

One more thing, these complaints about how certain parts of the stadium can’t see the out of town scoreboard or other various parts of the ballpark are silly. Unless they put a Jumbotron hovering over the field, there are inevitably going to be parts of the park that cannot see certain scoreboards. If you sat in LF at Shea you couldn’t see Diamondvision and if you sat in RF you couldn’t see the scoreboard.

I just take issue with a lot of the complaints that I have been reading (not exclusively here) and I wonder what people were expecting. There wasn’t going to be a hologram above the field telling you what’s going on. As much as the organization tried to cut down on lines, there are inevitably going to be lines at a baseball game.

by SQUAD on Apr 22, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't complaining about lines

I was just explaining that lines are why I didn’t go to Shake Shack.

by JoshNY on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, should have qualified that statement.

It wasn’t really directed at anyone on this thread in particular. I’ve just had enough of the Citi and Yankee Stadium bashing that has been going on. I find it ridiculous.

by SQUAD on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are obstructed views valid complaint?

That’ why I am angry. I could care less that I can’t see the out of town scoreboard, or the apple, etc.. I’m pissed because from my seats in the LF promenade I can’t see what happens to any ball hit past medium range center or left field. The only way I knew what happened on a bunch of plays on Sunday was by the reaction of the fans. That sucks! And then to be told by management that there are no obstructions, pisses me off even more.

I feel like I’ve been ripped off. It’s a great park if you like bells and whistles. But if you just want to watch a game, and not have to pay $40 a ticket, there is a good chance you will be sitting in an obstructed view seat. And based on my contact with the ticket office, this is a big problem and a lot of people want to be relocated.

Bottom line: The Mets tried to make this field so visually appealing and so quirky, they created a stadium with a ton of bad sight lines. I don’t care about black walls, and lack of Mets decorations or scoreboards. I just want to see the whole field!

by Reg Dunlop on Apr 23, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure there is

you had quirks in older stadiums because they had to. Minute Maid Park, where the Astros play, has that hill in CF, right? the hill was inspired by one that was in LF at Crosley Field in Cincinnati where the Reds played until 1970. the difference is that the incline at Crosley Field was there because it was needed to cover the difference between field level and street level, and the one in Houston is just there for the sake of having a hill in CF.

by JoshNY on Apr 23, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That hill is stupid and dangerous

can’t believe the Astros were allowed to do that

by gogomets on Apr 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you say

Kevin Burkhardt gave a sideline report from the Pepsi Porch that illustrates this point. Tiger Stadium had an overhang in right field because there was nowhere else to put seats in when they expanded the seating. The Pepsi Porch at Citi is there because someone at HOK thought it would be a good idea. Blart.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the seating issues.

From the beginning, I have always taken issue with the way the seating arrangements at Citi. I hated that they were so drastically reducing the number of seats, and I didn’t understand why they didn’t configure the seating layout more similarly to CBP, which I think is a great park.

It stinks about the sightlines for your seats, and it seems like the team made a terrible miscalculation by thinking fans would prefer to be closer while sacrificing a bit of the field. I’m with you and I would definitely prefer to be able to see the whole field, but at the same time, that’s kind of the nature of going to see a live event. When I sit close at MSG, I can’t always see the action on the ice, especially when they go into the corners.

I think that part of the problem is the drastic difference between Shea and Citi as to the seating chart combined with the drastic increase in ticket prices.

by SQUAD on Apr 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saying.

If you really need the starting lineups 2 hours before the first pitch, most people have the means to access them. Otherwise, I don’t see why people can’t wait until they’re posted/announced.

by SQUAD on Apr 21, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really check the scores that much during the game?

And SNY does a good job of giving us game breaks between innings on the huge TV in CF for important games.

by SQUAD on Apr 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think those are shown more than once or twice a game

and yes, between fantasy baseball, keeping an eye on other NL East teams, wanting to see how the Yankees are doing, etc., I look at the out of town scoreboard all the time. Once cool thing about the new out of town scoreboard: men-on-base indicators!

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by JoshNY on Apr 22, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to arrgue, but

Does the out of town scoreboard really give you a lot of fantasy info? Isn’t the BB/iPhone more efficient for those purposes?

I guess I’m different. When I’m at the game I’m pretty much stuck to my seat and have my eyes on the field. Except between innings, when I’ll chat with my friends.

by SQUAD on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure, if I want to check for specifics on my hitters, I'd have to do that

but if I have a starting pitcher going it’s pretty useful, and if the Braves are scoring ten runs like above, it’ll at least be an indication that any of their hitters I have might also have had a good day.

by JoshNY on Apr 23, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll be making a game toward the end of the season, can’t wait! I’l get to see two parks I’ve never seen games in this year: The New Shea and whatever they call the place they play sissy ball in up in Seattle.

by __Sean__ on Apr 21, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also attended this game

Got there at the end of the 1st inning and lol’d about the self-service ticket thingy. No idea what I was doing.

Among the other complaints that are out there, they still need to fix something that they sort of addressed at Shea and have yet to address at “new Shea”: Sweet Caroline being sung after the 8th inning!!! It is blatantly obvious the idea was taken from Fenway (the wilpons said they did it) and, although they changed it to I’m a believer last year (not a huge fan of the song but the perfect song for this team, considering our history), they have yet to change it at “new Shea.” I don’t even care if they change it back to I’m a Believer or anything else, but they have to stop playing Sweet Caroline.
(jumps off soapbox)

by meigs1414 on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We are not Boston. Co-opting “Sweet Caroline” was a horrendous idea.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 21, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Nationals stole it too

which should give you a clue as to just how awful an idea it is. They can’t even spell their name right:

by cjmulrain on Apr 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fail.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, they're not misspelling the name.

They’re trying to convince people they’re a whole new team, but too cheap to buy new unis.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 23, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just had my first experience there

I had really good seats, I bought tickets for three games at different seating levels, figuring I’d give myself a taste of what the different angles were like.

I think the best way to describe it: Its like going to Six Flags for the first time after having never viewed an amusement park outside of Astroland. Sure, its kind of plastic-y and sterile in some ways, and it sucks to have to spend a ton of money to do it, but overall, the experience was just so much more enjoyable.

by Meddler on Apr 28, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good analogy

though I’ve never been to Astroland, I’d imagine it’s like Adventureland, for those of us from Long Island.

by cjmulrain on Apr 28, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing, though

I’ve now sat in the Promenade and the Field Level, and I feel sitting up in the Promenade is actually — overall — a better experience, so long as you don’t have one of the obstructed view seats.

Bathroom and concession lines were totally ridiculous on the field level concourse. You’ll miss a full inning, maybe an inning and a half, to make a bathroom and food trip.

by jasondg on Apr 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was on the field level

And did not have that experience. Maybe it was just because I got there early and got my pulled pork sandwich early in the game, and also maybe because there was a men’s room right above my section lol, which I felt quite blessed about.

I’m going in two weeks and sitting in the Pepsi porch, which should be cool, and the four weeks and the promenade.

by Meddler on Apr 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Blue Smoke can be had if you get there early enough. I’m talking about the regular beer dudes, even during the game — also, this was Friday night, and it was pretty crowded.

by jasondg on Apr 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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