Our team still has NO FIRE!
by Pedrito on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 AM EDT
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Guys, I haven't posted in a long, long time to this site. Mostly because it's been hard to get back into caring for our team. Of course I care, but I'm talking about really caring...I've been too crushed the last few years by this team so, I backed off for the sake of not having an anurism because we gagged it up again.
But, inevitably, I always come back. It's the Mets for crying out loud. It's like asking a LiLo to stay away from blow, or asking Keith to shave his moustache...not gonna happen!
Anyway, the point I want to make, why I decided to finally post again, is because I'm very worried about this team. It's 13 games in, but everything just feels exactly the same doesn't it? Sure, the bullpen is vastly improved but, this team still lacks heart, guts, onions, fire, passion, heuvos, cohones, sack, confidence, the will to win at all costs. Do you get what I'm trying to say? NOBODY ON THIS TEAM HAS A BIG FRIGGIN' SET OF BALLS! Nobody is willing to exact their will to win over another team. Nobody holds anyone accountable in the locker room, or is willing to get in anyone's face and DEMAND that they do whatever it takes to win! This is New York for God's sake...we want players with a passion for playing the game!
Case in point...last night's game...8th inning...play at the plate and Beltran doesn't slide. And he has the nerve to say he didn't slide because he was "too close to home" Are you kidding me? How ri-goddamn-diculous is that?!?!?!!
I'm just going to throw a question out there. What do you guys think any of the big 4 players in Philly would have done there? Utley, Howard, Victorino, Rollins. Whatever answer you may have, slide, hook-slide, head-first slide sneaking the arm in, running over the catcher...whatever your answer is...I'm sure there would be something in common with all of them. Those guys would have made the effort...and I'm pretty sure they would've scored.
Do you see the difference? Utley vs. Wright...Howard vs. Delgado...Victorino vs. Beltran...Rollins vs. Reyes. Do you see the difference?
To me gang, I think it's pretty obvious why our team will be the same joke it has been the last few years. And I'm pretty sure I know who's going to take the NL East...the guys who bring the balls to the park every...single...day.
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You mean, the Rawlings sales representatives are going to take the NL East?
No!
(Sorry. I couldn’t resist that one.) I know what you’re saying though.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Apr 22, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
ROTFLOL. That’s classic. A great way to start the day.
"And I'm pretty sure I know who's going to take the NL East...the guys who bring the balls to the park every...single...day."
The groundstaff? Or the umpires?
Look, it’s obviously frustrating to watch this team lose a bunch of close games but I’m nowhere near the panic button at game 13 of 162. Plenty of guys are getting on base and, at some point, the offense will turn around and start driving more of those guys in. The bullpen has been about as good as advertised so far. The starters, Johan aside, leave something to be desired. But I’m not going to speculate that these guys lack passion, or no one in the locker room cares, etc. Beltran’s non-slide in the 8th was pretty ridiculous, but I’m also not going to speculate about what some guy on the Phillies would have done in Beltran’s spot because I don’t know — they weren’t there.
I guess, in sum, I’m saying I trust that the ship will get turned around, the sun came up this morning when it was supposed to rain and there are bagels and donuts in the office because of a birthday or something. I don’t feel the need to freak out.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 22, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
Yes it's true
Way too early to panic, not too early to express some worry, but we all know this thing will get turned around. And to say that the Follies “fab 4” would have done things differently, well I never, ever want to see, on a METS blog, anyone saying the Follies do anything better. That’s just wrong.
New York State?
No, I think they missed that memo. Anyhow, I was wrong. It was Secretary’s Day bagels and donuts, which I apparently helped pay for at some point. Still, mm . . . donuts.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 22, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I just learned it was Secretary's Day
it seems odd to me that a profession that probably uses more paper and office supplies than any other is celebrated on Earth Day.
Because obviously, one's pure courage and grit will bring victory.
Joe Morgan redux.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
"NOBODY ON THIS TEAM HAS A BIG FRIGGIN' SET OF BALLS!"
You sure about that? I visited the Mets locker room once and Carlos Delgado’s balls are just massive.
by James Kannengieser on Apr 22, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions
Now that's an image
I wish to clear from my head very, very quickly. But I laughed ‘till I cried after reading your post. I’m sure I will laugh all day every time I think of it. Thank you.
Does that mean
We’ve found a slugger that didn’t use? Carlos Delgado’s balls are the holy grail of the steroid era!
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i think there's a pretty good chance frank thomas didnt use
from what I understand he was one of the players usually pushing for stiffer regulation/testing.
True
I’m sure there are at least a few, Thomas seems as good a bet as any, and I’d give Delgado the benefit of the doubt before many others, I just couldn’t resist some good shrunken testicles humor.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember
Seeing Frank Thomas when he was at Auburn (I think that’s right) and he was huge back then. So either he’s been using for a real long time or he’s just a big mother! I’ll never forget seeing him at the plate from the CF camera, he looked like he was twice the size of the pitcher, and it’s usually not that distorted.
indeed
Frank Thomas was the only – only! – player in MLB to comply with the investigation that led to the Mitchell Report.
Annnnnnnd, like a bad-ass, he complied by saying, “I’m not gonna name any names.” Awesome. Everyone else was just like, “Go fuck yourself.”
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
"Do you see the difference?"
yes, i do notice the difference. the first players named in your list of pairings are invariably all steaming piles of dog crap, whereas the latter players are all paragons of virtue and teh awesomeness.
i would not trade any of those mets for any their stupid phillie counterparts. chillax bra, its 2 weeks into the season.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
Sorry Ken but you're wrong
I don’t care what “stats” say, each Phillie has the most important stat, one chamption ring each. Nuff said.
Well played, sir.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 22, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
completley agree
there is no question which team has more heart between the two teams, i dont care what beltran is going to say but not sliding is inexcuseable against one of the best defensive catchers in the majors. Not sliding was like giving yadier a fastball right down the middle…
by josejosejosejose on Apr 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Heart!
Career heart quotient (# of championships):
Ted Williams: -547.123 (0)
Luis Sojo: 12894233.12332 (4)
That's not fair, Eric
There is a positional bias here. How about:
Alex Rodriguez: -1,000,000,000 (0)
Luis Sojo: 12894233.12332 (4)
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a plant...just realism
Another wonderful game last night, eh boys? How about the passion and fire we showed? I don’t know about you, but I could feel it…especially when we proved how efficient a lineup we have by lettting Joel Pineiro set down 13 in a row. Really? Joel Pineiro…THIRTEEN in a row!?!?…Really?
The fact of the matter is, I’m a huge Mets fan, I despise Philly. But at the same time, I’m not delusional and I recognize what has made them, and you cannot argue this, a better team than us the last few years. In my opinion, I feel they have more fire and passion than we do…plain and simple.
Oh, and their manager is willing to bench start players and send a message. The way Jerry tip-toed around Beltran not sliding sucked…bench the guy! Why the hell not?
you may not be a plant
but your last 4 fanposts before this one were titled (all from a year or more ago):
“Our Pitching Sucks”
“Delgado’s swing…Mota’s deep fried…Green just sucks!”
“Is anybody else worried?”
“How awful is Shawn Green?”
So, maybe you really are a Mets “fan,” but it sounds like you only come around once in a while to bitch about how bad they are, so excuse us if we don’t take you too seriously.
That's a fair point
I’ll admit, I’m a bit of a curmudgeon when it comes to the Mets but c’mon…we’re Mets fans! Being a Mets fan comes with never-ending hope while also dreading that the other shoe’s about to drop.
I’ll tell you what, I promise to work on posting some more positive messages, so long as you guys promise to work on admitting I’m right : )
maybe if artie lange was on the team
then they’d have some FIYYYAAAAAAA!!!!!!
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
Fire?
I see a team with 3 big question marks in the starting rotation, not a lack of Ecksteinian play.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Also
Utley vs. Wright…Howard vs. Delgado…Victorino vs. Beltran…Rollins vs. Reyes
I’d take Wright over Utley seeing that Chase is on the wrong side of 30 and has some injurt concerns.
Howard I’d take over Delgado since he’s a lot younger, even though he’s not likely to finish with the kind of career numbers Delgado will end with.
Beltran vs. Victorino isn’t even close, and Victorino is a good player. Beltran, Sizemore, and Upton are the big 3 in CF in baseball today.
I’d take Reyes over Rollins for the same reason I’d take Wright over Utley. Younger. Will still be good 3 years from now.
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by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
P.S.
I was being willfully ignorant with this reply. Everyone knows the Florida Marlins are winning it all because they win every 6 years.
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by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd keep Granderson in the same conversation as Upton/Sizemore/Beltran
And Reyes was decidedly better than Rollins during the last 3 years total, and Reyes’ 2006 season>Rollins’ 2007 season. So I’d take Reyes even just for this year.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
right, but Jimmy has heart!
Seriously, how hard is it to look at last season and conclude, “Hmm, Phillies beat us by 3 games. They had a PHENOMENAL bullpen (which is due for some regression this year) and we had a horrible one. That more than makes up for the difference in the standings. Case closed.”
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true
but the last 2 seasons what have we done down the stretch, and on the last day of the season? Against a team that was already out of the post-season…at home no less. You can argue the stats and the what-ifs all you want (believe me, I’ve rationalized things the same way you have), but when it has come down to it the last few years…this team doesn’t win when it counts…case close.
Judging a team on 1 game a year out of 162
Pedrito from Forest Hills, you’re on the FAN!
by James Kannengieser on Apr 23, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
ha.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 23, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Francesca
Are you going to drink nothing but Diet Coke and talk about yourself for the next 5 & 1/2 hours too?
How can you say I’m juding them off one game? Can you honestly say you don’t see a consistent theme with this team the last few years? There’s a body of work here and it speaks for itself. We’ve been in control of our destiny and we’ve blown it…aka…3rd in the league in average, but 11th in runs!
If I was truly judging off one game, fine…I’d be rolling from your post, but you can’t tell me this team hasn’t had issues getting timely hits the last few seasons. There’s a body of work here, not just 1 game…
I'm going to say this once.
Every. Team. Goes. Through. Slumps. It has nothing to do with lack of “heart”, “soul”, or whatever. It is simply a matter of baseball being a game of failure, and unfortunate timing.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Clearly you don't get it
Really? Every team goes through slumps? In baseball? Slumps…in baseball? You don’t say! Thanks for the enlightenment.
OK, sarcasm aside, I wasn’t talking about a slump. Of course teams and players go through slumps, that’s the nature of the game.
My point is that there has been a pattern with this team, and so far this season, I think it’s repeating. If you don’t feel we’ve been a listless team to start this year, and if you don’t feel there are no character issues with our Mets, fine, more power to you. I just think there’s too much eveidence going the other way.
But "so far this season" only encompasses like the last 5 or so games. And the season's only like 15 games old.
And wait a minute. You weren’t saying anything before about “character issues”. As much as I disagree with you on the heart and grit, I didn’t think you thought they had “character issues” as well.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
wait, hold on
I thought the “pattern” was the Mets were a bunch of choking chokers who choked in September. That’s what the News and the Post tell me anyway. How do we know that pattern is repeating when the “important part of the season” is still five months away?
If you think there's any chance
That this team finishes the year something like 3rd in team average and 11th in total runs scored, I’d kindly like you to connect me with whoever sold you such a potent substance. As a matter of fact, last year, among their NL competitors, the Mets ranked higher in total runs scored (2nd) than they did in team average (4th), OBP (4th), slugging (6th), or OPS (4th).
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't win when it counts
I saw the Mets blow a 4-run lead to Milwaukee at Shea last April and lose. Had they won that game, they’d have made the playoffs too. You can’t hold them to one game at the end of the season.
Also, the Mets took the season series from Philadelphia last year. I guess Rollins and Victorino’s grit only worked its magic against Atlanta.
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by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I just re-read this, and have come to a new conclusion:
You’re an idiot.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Good argument...
…nothinig says I get to judge who is, and isn’t, an idiot like just throwing it out there. Clearly, you fit the mold of what my post was discussing…gutlessness.
See, that’s how you fire someone up damn it! We need Jerry to get gangsta on some players.
But seriously…I’m fine with people making judgements on my opinions, but at least make a point.
Is anyone reading the posting guidelines thread?
It ain’t there just to clog up the tubes.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 23, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions
Phillies...
Must be on this magical quest for fire then, too… 6-7 record, after getting stymied by Braden effing Looper last night.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
That's funny
because I thought the guys on your team were the solution to our team’s problems! Fire!
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 23, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are just going through a drought right now
Which will eventually lead to a fire! The Mets are as wet as can be right now. The Marlins are a group of Iranians with an American flag; the Mets are a cool spring day in Seattle. They have no chance.
by Prince on Apr 23, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, a reasonable Phillies fan!
Welcome to this silly argument between Mets fans. If you can’t get enough of it, and you live in the Philadelphia area, you should be able to get WFAN and listen to Sal from Brooklyn call it to yell about how Beltran needs to be traded for Aaron Rowand. Good times!
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by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
WFAN
I actually live in the NYC area so I get to experience the best of hand-wringing, nancy-boy Mets, Yankees, AND Phillies discussions. It’s a wonderful lifestyle I live.
If you’re ever in the Philadelphia area, I highly recommend checking out 610 WIP, where you get to hear Jim from the Northeast call in and suggest trading Ryan Madson for Tim Lincecum. They make WFAN sound like NPR by comparison.
For what it’s worth, the “fire” is in Pittsburgh right now. They stole it from Florida!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear about it
I have a close friend from college who is a big Philly sports fan and lives down there. He says the Phillies-based idiocy has quieted down for obvious reasons, but he still tells me about all the “McNabb sucks!!!1” calls that come in during the football season.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
idiocy
The Phillies-based idiocy for years was based on 1. Bobby Abreu; and 2. Charlie Manuel.
The former being that he was lazy and selfish and overrated, the latter being that this team will never win with that dumb hick in the dugout. Whoops.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
liar
I went to school in Delaware, and during my 4 years there and any subsequent trips to the area, I’ve never heard anyone call into WIP to suggest anything other than “bench Donovan McNabb.”
pretty much
There’s a brief window in May (post-NFL Draft) and June where the focus is more on the Phillies, but once training camp gets close, it’s All Eagles, and it’s unbearable.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 23, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
The people must be heard about that fat, incompetent, lazy quarterback who needs to be traded or cut immediately because he’s a talentless loser.
I kid. I’ve been a McNabb fan since his college days and would welcome him to the Jets with open arms. I’ve never understood the hate for him among Eagles fans.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 23, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
truly
It’s idiocy. That’s it. With a little not-so-latent racism thrown in. Greatest QB in franchise history, and it’s not even close (and yeah, that might not be saying much…), but a vocal minority in the fanbase just crushes him.
I’d love for him to go to another (non-NFC East team, natch) and win a Super Bowl. The Jets would do.
It was really embarrassing when Jeff Garcia came in a few years back and had a nice run of competence filling in for the injured McNabb. He became a folk hero. Which is kind of amazing considering he’s only sorta-white and about 40% hetero. It was a strange time.
</FOOTBALL TALK>
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 23, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How does a balding semi-straight guy like Garcia nail a Playboy-material wife? I don’t get it.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
Who knows.
Piazza, I can understand. But Garcia is bald and pretty normal-looking.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
magical quest for fire
I WANT TO BE ON ONE OF THOSE!!!! it sounds totally awesome.
maybe the mets should just draft some player named prometheus.
/NERD
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
flaming sword of fire
I want the Mets to get one of those.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have it myself
Go ahead, say something mean to me. Just remember that I have a sword with a gilded hilt and a blade of blue-hot flames.
Isn't "/NERD" kind of redundant?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Apr 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm late to the game
but this whole post is a joke… right?
If you ever meet David Wright and Carlos Delgado, you should definitely tell them that their problem is that they just don’t want it enough.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
wait
Also… doesn’t Utley kind of seem like a selfish, ball-less dick sometimes? I grant you your perception that Victorino is firey firecracker of winning passion. But Utley? How is that a firey dude?
Do you guys remember when he had that 30-something game hitting streak? And he wouldn’t talk about it? That’s because he wanted to break the all-time record for consecutive games with a hit. That is not about your team winning. That is some glory boy shit.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
Wow I hadn't heard that hit streak thing
If true, that’s pretty weak. However, I bet it was portrayed as “Utley wants to be true to the superstitions and traditions of our great national pasttime.” Meanwhile if Reyes did that he’d be portrayed as a selfish prick.
by James Kannengieser on Apr 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
on the other hand...
Maybe it’s because Utley didn’t want a clubhouse circus to distract from the team’s goals. They were in a playoff race at the time. They frittered away a Wild Card lead in 2005 when Rollins had his own 30+ game streak. I never heard anything about Utley avoiding the press to avoid “jinxing” the streak, although I’d be willing to be proven wrong.
You conclusion is plausible, but kind of a Point A to Point C leap.
Agree, though, that Utley is one of the more stoic players on the field, and I don’t understand the “fiery” title. Not that I think any less of him.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 25, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Utley seems decent enough
My one and only gripe with him: at least TRY to get out of the way of an inside pitch sometime. Its in the rules, your supposed to do it, make some effort to fake it at least.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
It’s pretty unfair of me to call him a dick. But, yes, at least he can be considered stoic.
The point is, he is not someone I would consider fiery. And I wonder if he gets extra fire points because he’s a white guy. Maybe, maybe not. But it’s worth asking the question.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
probably right
It’s kind of like the “Jim Edmonds = gritty gamer, Gary Sheffield = asshole” disparity.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
This thread is still going?
What this team lacks is a GM who recognizes a steal when it presents itself and thus fails to acquire Jaiver Vazquez from the White Sox for a bag of balls.
Instead he signs The Next Sandy Koufax. Sigh.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
And even when failing the trade...
he fails to sign the actual good pitcher, instead of someone selling on promise without results despite the fact that he’s 27.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I can't believe it's still going
but let’s not get started on Ollie P…although I’m sure I’d have more people agreeing with me on that issue than the one in this thread.
Let’s just say, I’m not convinced the 3 year deal was a good investment. Although, the Castillo deal looked like a disaster last year but has improved so far this year. Who knows right?
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