Open Thread: Mets vs Cardinals
by Eric Simon on Apr 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT
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Be positive man
Of course it will be a good thing. The Mets will win tonight.
I think
I predicted the exact same score lol.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I predicted 5-3 Mets
Who in their right mind will ever predict a loss by the Mets? Don’t we all think they will win them all?
Sweet
Another 8:00 game, I get to watch Jonah Schwartz and Joe Beningo try to act like they know anything about baseball for a little while.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
It's great that ESPN has the game
But am I going to be subjected to John Miller/Joe Morgan, or the second team? Can’t wait for the sniggering comments about last nights’ game from whoever is doing the PBP broadcast. I’m sure I’ll be hurling insults at my TV screen during the pre-game commentary.
I hope Steve Phillips is with them too
in the same way I hope I someday crash my car into a nuclear reactor
When I bought MLB 2K9
And realized it was him instead of Joe Morgan, my head nearly exploded. So many mixed feelings on that one. I was happy it wasn’t Morgan, but they found the only possible replacement that wouldn’t be an improvement of some sort.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it's the second team
Some guy I’ve never heard of before and that ex-Cub pitcher who suddenly thinks he’s the smartes thing since sliced bread. Actually, I think sliced bread is smarter.
F-Mart is facing off against Phil Hughes in Scranton as we speak
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
Struck out for the second time on the night
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I will not be watching the game here tonight
Impromptu boozing with co-workers is about to take place. Hope y’all have fun and don’t nobody go killing themselves tonight if the Mets lose. Hoo-ray optimism!
Let’s Go Mets!
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 22, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
have fun
Love those impromptu booze sessions.
If there's drinking and driving
Someone will be.
God...
I hope Murph makes an outstanding diving catch to shut these ESPN commentators up about the Mets and “all of their problems, because they have a lot of em”
I caught that comment also
It ticked me off plenty. I hope Murphy makes them choke on that comment.
cardinals fox people
are just as annoying
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Mets choking
Means Follies did not win, undermines their accomplishments the last two years. Is that what you’re trying to do? Good job!
I hate Rick Sutcliffe
Being a halfway decent pitcher for a couple of years does not translate into being a good broadcaster.
Fox gives us a nice little
thing about TLR deciding his lineup. he sounded drunk. and it wins the award for “most awkward banter between a reporter and a manager.” Apparently Ludwick is sitting because he’s gotta sit sometime. And rasmus has to play. duncan is a real rally starting guy. i really don’t like him.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
woo
good start. lets’ win.
castillo got hit number 1700 last night.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
at his pace of 154 hit a season since becoming a regular
he’ll be closing in on 3,000 sometime around 2017, which is probably about when the extension Omar’s destined to give him should be running out
according to fox
wright has 1 rbi this year. no. he does not.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
What a dumb comment
“If they could have added on some more runs last night they could have won the game.” No kidding Rick? Really? You are a genius.
What an unclutch line drive by Wright
If that was Eckstein, he’d have gritted a three base error out of a weak ground ball or something.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
More bad luck
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. Right now (and lately) the Mets are being eaten alive.
control
our pitchers don’t seem to have it.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
That can't be a good thing
Maine’s fastball is just too predictable.
and still had a decent K year
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Maybe it's just me
But I just don’t feel confident in getting Ks from the guy. Don’t ask me why, but thats how I feel.
probably b/c of the foul balls
he seems to have trouble putting guys away a lot, which is what makes his pretty good K rate even more impressive. If he had a true out pitch he could be great. Unfortunately, it’s looking less and less like he’ll ever have one
Mets will need some magic
To get out of this without major damage
Hey!
Murphy made a nice catch there. That’s ok, it’s only one run. Boy Pujols just missed that.
nice catch?
I could’ve made that. It was a can of corn
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I thought he had that one
Ain’t out of it yet though.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that could have been worse
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
They can still escape with just one run
Keep the focus Maine.
I laugh at your sarcasm
Hahahahahahahahahaha…….
Wow they are getting real good hacks
Like they know what’s coming? Gee, maybe a fastball here.
yeah
he should mix in a couple knucklers.
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Decen change to start Ankiel
79’s a good changeup speed for Maine. Just couldn’t get it over. I guess that second pitch was a change too.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It should be 2-0
Rasmus should’ve gone to third on the fly ball.
And no, Church has been awesome. Murphy is teh suck defensively, but other than that the D has been awesome
did you guys know ankiel used to be a pitcher? thanks dave obrien!
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
Breaking news
I did NOT know that. Thank God for the wisdom of that announcer.
Is Rick Sutcliffe serious?
Sheffield is a gold glover, apparently.
false
Gary Sheffield has never won a Gold Glove. it took me eight seconds to look that up. good fact checking, ESPN.
no, but
this announcer was extolling the virtues of putting sheff in left field. for defense.
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
right, I got that
I’m just agreeing with you about how wrong he was. Plus, I mean, he could’ve just said “Sheffield is a good outfielder” and that would be his opinion, but by saying “Sheffield is a Gold Glover” me made an incorrect statement of fact.
he didn't say that per se
it was my exaggeration of his own comments
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick Sutcliff is a God
Of dumbass comments.
dumbass is fine
especially when it has to do with espn announcers
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I think its listed as a necessary skill
On ESPN job postings. “Must be able to sound like a dumbass at will”
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case they have great hiring consistency
“cause they have a lot of them on the payroll. Can someone tell me how Stuart Scott still has a job!?
good job by maine
to get out of trouble
Busch sounds awfully quiet
strikeout count at 1
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Nice bouncebak Johnny
Unfortunately for Molina, tough to get clutch out of a K.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
OK, good inning
It could have been way worse so take the positive from it and lets go get some hits.
Just getting in
What did I miss? Cursing? Death threats? Too early?
too early
fast forward to 11:00 and we’ll have em both.
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently
delgado reminds these guys of shawn green.
they were both lefties and both hit 4 homers in a game. and played for the mets. other than that…what?
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
ryan synagogue
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
They played together on the Jays
Good buddies apparently.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
However
In terms of physical appearances, its tough to get more opposite.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
Sheffield hits a majority of his 500 homeruns for teams I either hate or am at best indifferent about (Marlins, Braves, Dodgers, Yankees), and somehow I’m supposed to be really excited for his 500th homer b/c it came in a Mets uni? It was his friggin first homer for us. And I like Sheff and think he was a good signing, but I have no attachment to that moment.
Yeah, what's the big deal
I don’t get it either.
Clutch-tron
Way to go Carlos. Let’s remember you can slide now.
Not his fault
They make Mets players check their killer instinct at the game before a ballgame.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
church lost his mojo
sitting him was really not smart. not fair.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
.423/.500/.654 in 30 pas before sitting,
.214/.353/.214 in 18 after.
small small samples of course, but he looks worse, no good contact.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Church has done that his whole career though
He’s always had some really hot stretches, and never quite been able to sustain it long enough to put together a full season well above his career averages
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but normally for church it's injury based
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
nice neighborhood play
Their second baseman was off the bag when he caught that DP toss.
Hey all.
How’s it going?
SNY is having some problems. Or, it’s just my DirecTV..
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Mines been messy too so far
But hasn’t been too awful yet.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My god
Rick Sutcliffe has got to be the stupidest man who ever lived. He makes Joe Morgan look insightful.
And that's saying something
I might have to make use of the mute button again tonight.
I want to get that device
that lets you sync up radio and TV and download Howie Rose.
I have a slingbox but the picture quality isn’t as good as ESPN
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice throw Hippo!
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
wait
we walked greene AGAIN?
he walked 22 times last year in over 100 games. He has 4 in like 5 PA’s against us. jesus.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
NHL channel will have the reply
Tomorrow at 2, for those interested.
Replay, of course.
Nice inning guys. Let’s go get some now.
Khalil Greene
Last season: 22 BBs in 423 PAs, or 1 BB every 19 PAs
This season against other teams: 3 BB in 53 PA, or 1 BB every 18 PAs
This season vs. the Mets: 4 BBs in 5 PAs
Its karmic backlash
From having Luis Castillo among the batting leaders.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it's going to seriously inflate his walk numbers
he’ll end up with like 35 walks, 15% coming from this series.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Come on Castillo!
Let’s get something going here.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
I got a fever
And the cure is a slap single. Lets go Luis!
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
luis will get on here
don’t worry. he has to get on so we can get into a double play. we need a new method for it this time. suggestions?
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Well with MAine up
Obviously it’ll be a bunt right back at the pitcher for the 1-5-3
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
we had already lined out
strike him out throw him out was a good call.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
What is Sutcliff doing
Behind a mic? He has no business getting paid to give commentary.
can I wish that he dies?
If anyone, Sutcliffe really ought to.
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the new rule
is not to wish death on anyone.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
You can't do that
You are in some danger of being censured I do believe, for that death wish last night. I’d be careful if I were you.
He may not be someone
but I think he fits into the “anyone” category.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
eh
was a decent bunt, though.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
just 390 feet short
of straightaway center
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice try
They must not be tuned in to you.
No they told him
Tough to get him to absorb stuff like that though
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
nail em here
irish hammer time
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
If Murphy hits an extra base hit
My vendetta is over
That enough to at least bring it down to
Yellow alert or something?
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Orange
Green: I fucking love Daniel Murphy
Blue: This kid is pretty good
Yellow: Eh, could be better
Orange: Really, Murph? That’s all you got?
Red: F*** this motherf******** piece of s**** a***f*****
Its cumulative
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
COME ON HAMMER!
Give me a reason to use caps lock
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
YES!!! RUNS AND CAPSLOCK!!
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
woo
need one more hit here and i get 10 swag points
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
OK, good inning
Mets have settled down and look to be on their game tonight.
Castro just took one
Below the clavicle. That looked like it hurt.
you know what you call a 400 foot foul ball?
Strike one
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It was also hit hard
I’m not sure what you’re missing? And there was another example of a hard hit ball.
Keep the focus john
Geez, can’t walk the pitcher.
oh that was crap
if you have 0-2 on a pitcher. you simply can not walk him on 4 more pitches and call yourself a true major leaguer.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Wow, what a break
That was fortunate to go foul. He ripped it.
YOU F****** IDIOT SUCLIFFE
A DOUBLE DOESN’T BREAK THE GAME OPEN, IT PROBABLY DOESN’T SCORE A FUCKING RUN, AND IT’S THE 3RD INNING! GO JUMP OUT THE ANNOUNCERS BOOTH AND IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CORN DOG STICK
But I can hear him
and that’s the problem
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy
Another nice catch. He’s 2 for 2 in putouts.
Agreed.
It impressed me…..which doesn’t matter.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Murphy seemed to take
A bit long to release that throw. Cards dissing the Mets for running the pitcher on Murphy. We must make them pay for that.
Great throw by Murphy
and we should have had him. Castro didn’t block the plate!!!!
He did seem
To give him the plate didn’t he? What’s with that? Hasn’t he been watching Molina?
Castro should be blocking the plate there
unforgivable
Can't get a decent
DP grounder so another run comes in on a productive out. Just what the Mets are not getting done.
walk to the pitcher leads to 2 runs
shameful John Maine
How many times
Does that have to happen before pitchers get the idea?
Sutcliffe?
Did he not want the Mets to throw home and almost get the out at the plate?
Hit the cutoff man
INSTEAD OF BEING SO CLOSE TO GETTING AN OUT? WHAT?!?!
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point, unfortunately
Murphy’s throw does need to be able to be reached by the cutoff man to keep the runner on second.
F-Mart's about to take a fourth AB against Hughes
Though Hughes is at 105 pitches and the bases are loaded, so he may come out. Bisons are down 5-0, F! is 1 for 3
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
Clutch-Tron
Another bases empty base knock. Way to go Carlos.
please don't start this horse again
you are better than this
Sutcliffe
“You’ve got to catch the ball. You’ve got to know when to slide.”
REALLY? REALLLLLLLLLY??!?!?!
this team
has been very homer devoid lately.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Hey guys.
Give me a game summary. I see we’re losing.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
3-1 bad guys
→Sutcliffe is retarded
→Maine is walking everybody
→Murphy looks awake.
by DevonEdwards on Apr 22, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go
Maine in trouble in the first, gives up one run on a Pujols hit, wriggles out of the jam. Mets hit into DP’s in first two innings, tie the game in the third, then Cards get two back as Pujols drives in yet another.
and a one-pitch unproductive out
That was awful.
Not so
Cards made one in their half that brought in a run.
Hippo!!
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
this will be the one time he doesn't get a hit
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
lol
hippo is slow
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Ugh.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Fuzzy Thurston
Makes a great play, unfortunately. Nice try Slappy.
Michael Ryder
Ex-Canadien driving the stake in the Habs heart with 2 goals and 3 points. Go Bruins.
Gary just said
that Heilman has an ERA of 1.04 for the Cubbies
Oh yeah
I’m pretty sure you’d have had to invent a new color for Heilman last year.
Still, good for him, except when he faces the Mets of course.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon NY
Let’s set ’em down and get back in this game. I have you 5-3 in the SWAG, so no more runs for the Cards, OK?
Anyone see who O'Day replaced on the Rangers roster
Old friend, Kris Benson
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
It's a fair excahnge
One useless pitcher for another.
And seeing that name during one of Maine's starts
always gives me a fuzzy feeling insde.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
cardinals announcers
if SNY had this much love for any met that these guys have for molina, they’d talk about reyes 24/7. so much man love here.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I'm sorry you have to listen to Joe Buck.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
yeah we love other players
not our own.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Did Maine
Get Molina out of the game? Way to go John!
i'll take a k, though
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Hope it's not serious?
I hope he’s out for his career.
i want him to play
i just want him to suck.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
go let us wallow in peace please.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Darling just said brainiac
I am convinced he lies about his SAT .
"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos
Is Greene the new Greek God of Walks?
Because we’re sure as hell making him look like it.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
I'm starting a blog
the KhalilGreeneWalkWatch.com I’ll post after every game he draws a walk.
I won’t have to post for a couple months after this series.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Good. Lord.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
we'll let them load them first.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
this is why you don't walk guys like green
by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Maine is predictible
And Church made a terrible play.
wasn't his fault it hit the wrong part of the wall.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I can't blame Church for that one
I was all over Murphy last night, but that was just a funky bounce. The ball didn’t even come up.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's minimize the damage
It’s still early, but there goes my SWAG.
You have no faith
And though it might prove to be over, you can’t call yourself a fan if you give up on the team after 4 innings.
Please stop doing that
Saying something positive might just help.
remember talks about that three team deal?
we would have gotten Oswalt
Astros would have gotten Lastings
annnd……some other team would have gotten….other….people….
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Remember that tRA discussion re: Maine after his first start?
Further validation for the stat.
Steve Phillips thinks
he signed Jose Reyes. That’s ALL Steve Phillips thinks.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather the Mets lose 100-0
than have to listen to Rick Sutcliffe for one more moment.
He is horrible.
Murphy is 3-3 in catches
A much better defensive performance tonight.
in fairness to Maine
not at all convinced he is healthy
Pure speculation
If it were so, it’s either irresponsible putting him out there, or he hasn’t told anyone.
I don't think anyone's blaming him specifically
regardless we’re not getting production we need from the rotation outside of Santana… and I guess Livan.
Velocity seems there
He’s not commanding the FB at all.
His mechanics are bad
Front shoulder opening up, hips clearing too quick, pitches are running off the plate.
Well
If he stays on turn, I should get to see his next effort at CitiField
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So apparently Maine will be pitching the 5th.
Hoo-ray.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Can we please stop jocking St. Louis?
PLEASE?
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Duncan is a rock star
He’s like Adam Dunn on steroids.
OMG
How can Chris Duncan become a good athlete all of a sudden when the Mets come to town?
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
Also
SHUT UP, RICK SUTCLIFF.
YOU ARE DUMB.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True
They are now, but will not finish that way.
Don't feed the troll
haha.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
I am the eggman
I am the walrus. Cukoo ka choo!!
Donnie, STFU.
V.I. Lenin.
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That reminds me
Jose you’re on notice. Everyday that goes by with Prince fielder still ahead of you in career inside the park homeruns is a crime against humanity.
That really had better change
Reyes will hit one off the RF wall at Citi sooner or later, and that’ll always be a pretty decent chance.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Bye Bye Montreal
Bruins sweep. There is joy in my sports life tonight
Man
second time Pujols just missed one
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
This is brutal
Damn you Omar for giving us this pitching staff.
Like I said yesterday
If I was a manager Pujols would get intentionally walked everytime he came up.
The Mets just need to focus on playing solid baseball.
And uttering meaningless cliches.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice range Luis
Nice bounceback Johnny, but perhaps too little, too late
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
yay
good inning through the middle of the order. an inning too late.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
do I want to watch the Mets now that the Rangers game is over?
I honestly don’t think I do, it’ll just be a letdown
Here's my shitfaced Game 14 Assessment:
Daniel Murphy sucks as a LF (both offensively and defensively), but would be awesome as a 2B. Thus it is unfortunate that Luis Castillo has lucked his way into a good early season batting average. The Mets will thus be committed to Luis as 2B and Murphy as LF for far too long.
89-74.
wouldn't call it luck
he’s hit a lot of balls hard.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
What evidence is there
That he’d be a good defensive 2B? I mean, its tough to cost your teams as many runs as Murphy has as a LF, but what makes you think that would be any different?
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
well he was pretty average at 2nd and third in the minors
and I dont think he would have ot be good. just not awful.
but the problem is if murphy went to second now who would be our everyday left fielder?
Tatis maybe
I can’t imagine Sheffield lasting long if he had to play everyday in the field. And basically we’d just be replacing question marks with more question marks.
We would have signed someone offensively worthy of the position
That is, if we had a front office that used a valid methodology.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
Don’t say Manny. Adam Dunn? Burrell?
the answer was Manny
that’s what will go on the Mets 2009 tombstone
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
MANNY@!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
really, im not kidding
this team will have to overcome Omars dumbass decision (don’t blame the wilpies, they gave him any other toy he wanted) not to pursue ManRam. I will die believing that.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Lolwut?
You honestly think Omar wouldn’t have gone after Ramirez if he had the money to do so? Why not?
there was no market, except for the dodgers
Omar (and many mets fans) thought the offense was all set. I continue to beg to differ. Plus it would have been a bargain in years. And until one has caught a fly ball, highfived a fan and doubled up a runner, i dont think one can criticize the awe inspiring defense he provided. It’s that simple.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Um there was no market yet the Dodgers still payed 25 million
Obviously we weren’t going to get him for less than that. And we couldn’t afford that because the Wilpons didn’t want to go over the luxury tax, and they have made it clear year after year that they don’t want to go over the luxury tax. i don’t see any possible way you could think they would have given him the greenlight to give Manny 25 million.
enjoy your manny-less team then
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 23, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
All 3 are horribly defensively.
But Murphy isn’t exactly Endy Chavez.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But his bat is above average
unlike Murphy who’s been shaky defensively and likely won’t provide an above average bat.
Very streaky
Prone to extended slumps, and if he slumps in Great American Bandbox, how bad would it be at Citi?
What hitters aren't prone to slump/streaky?
And look at his home/away splits. His numbers definitely didn’t seem to be inflated by CBP.
You are remembering him fondly
He would not have been a good option, IMO.
Why?
And what have i said that was fond? He hit better on the road, which stats clearly show, and everyone slumps. What hitters can you name that don’t go through slumps? Other than maybe Pujols.
I liked Burrell as an option over Dunn
similar types of players, Burrell’s not quite so much of an extreme and he’s right handed though. He always seemed like kind of a strange hitter. He’d go through these super aggressive and super patient stretches, not much inbetween. And he definitely has a hole in his swing. But he would have been an interesting option IMO
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny doesn't slump
Slumps Manny.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Though he must have a ridiculous early BABIP cause he’s got a decent avg.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a Met killer
And stats don’t tell the whole story. Mets sure don’t need another inconsistent, moody bat, with a concrete glove in left.
Yeah but he played all of 17 games there in the minors
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Going from 3B to 2B
is a much more difficult transition than 3B to LF.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
But if he could do 3B to 2B, wouldn’t you prefer that?
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
If he could do it I’d prefer it, but I just think the whole idea was a reach to begin with, and its much more complicated than we like to think.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It is.
I think the problem here started with thinking that Luis Castillo was worth 4 years.
The early-2009 average notwithstanding.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
But I think that will be a bigger problem with Reese Havens next April than it is for Murphy right now. If they’d planned it from the beginning of last year and made Murphy a full time 2B in the minors, maybe. But they weren’t going to hand him the job to learn at the big league level. Its tough to learn a new position, and its not like he was some kind of stellar third baseman, he was adequate, but fairly unspectacular.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
None
John’s argument is likely that Murphy would be approximately as inadequate at 2B as he is in LF, but that his bat would play better there.
Exactly.
As a LF, his bat is mediocre. As a 2B, it would be well above average.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and we do have WIlly Mo waiting for his opportunity!!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
I think that would catch up to the team much more longterm than some early shoddy play in LF. Though with this pitching staff, who knows.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is painful
NHL on the Fly in 15 minutes, I might be switching over. Hoping my bailing will bring the Mets good luck, because my rooting for them has not, at least not so far.
wow the Mets "cuddlers row" is in full effect
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Rick Sutcliff is my man tonight
First he knocks the Perez contract now he knocks the lack of Mets history in Citi.
Rising to new heights of stupidity
I (thankfully) finally found the mute button.
i'm happy to have the chance to
rekindle my ancient hatred of Sutcliffe
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
he was Doc's nemisis
him and the coke
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Moreso the coke
I hated 80’s announcers calling Sutcliff “Regal.”
he said
they could have gotten Lowe for “similar money”
since when it 36 mill similar to 60 mill?
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When it's not your money
Kind of like how minor surgery is what happens to someone else.
Well it was only 3 million more per year
I imagine that’s what he was referring too… though I might be overestimating him.
Lol
Between cora, redding, sullivan and anderson that’s what 6.1 million? I wonder who we could have gotten for that.
plus a year
at 39 or 40, too lazy to look up lowe’s age
I’m arguing for the sake of argument, BTW.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We could have always front loaded the contract
Plus even if Lowe just fell off a massive cliff and was awful at 40 would it still not be worth it for the production he’ll give this year and next, when our core is in tact and we know who’s in our bullpen and at first base?
Also
the Mets lack a “killer instinct.”
According to Healthcliff.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
slutcliffe (see what i did there?)
heaping praise on Piniero for sticking to the gameplan pitching to wright. He’s gotten him on a liner up the middle, a hard grounder snagged at third and a warning track FB to right. You can’t hit em where they aint every time
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
LOL at Sutcliff
He sounds much better with the mute button on.
piniero
has way too many times on base today.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
mets have no answer for the mighty bats and cleats of pinero and kalil green
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said this was going to happen?
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
I believe that would be me
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
at 9:27.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
be casey fossum please
YES
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
what was the last question?
2 out rbis and what was the other one? i don’t think i’m getting any points tonight.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
if they keep not getting hits
can’t leave any on. i might get something there.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I tried to understand
Then my brain hurt.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
to walk in runs with the bases loaded
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Going with Fossum?
Oh my, this might not end well.
maine's final line
The 5 walks stand out as a major issue. But 111 pitches in 5.1 innings is a really big number. This has been his problem the last two years.
HE DID IT!
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
sarcastic applause time.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
will it be 9-1
NO! He got out of it. Way to go Casey.
The New York Check Collectors
I can’t call them my Mets. They are sitting on their butts collecting checks. Not an ounce of fire from anyone. #2 pitcher slightly injured, #3 pitcher all over the place and inconsistent, #4 pitcher showing nothing this year.
Enough about: “It’s early.” It’s late enough to see what pitchers 2,3,4 cannot do. Is this what we get to look forward to for the next 5 1/2 months?
by OVERALLSPORTSFAN on Apr 22, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
no
we get to look forward to johan being a beast and then get drunk the other 4 days
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I dunno if alcohol is hard enough for this
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're tired of alcohol, or delusional homerism, I recommend
solitaire fantasy baseball by rerunning the offseason in my head! Right now I’m lost in a dream where the Mets sign Manny for two years, say thanks but no thanks to O. Perez, Let delgado and his “affordable extension” walk, make Luis castillo player-coach and sign Hudson for pennies, Trade for Putz but pass on Frank the Closer, come up with 3 mil more to land Lowe and put Murphy at first or some shit. All totally possible but declined by Omar. What a great team that would have been.
This is really fun folks!! Try it!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I saw a little Latin fire from Reyes earlier.
by JohnPeterson on Apr 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Maine is not pitching better
We could reprise Johan and Maine, and pray for rain.
churchy is pounding meatballs into the ground the last few days
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
anyone faster than castro gets on
oh well. good play though
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Look at that pick
It is just the Cardinals night tonight. Some games are just like that.
way to early to give up on anyone
Murphy has gone from hero to zero on this site in a matter of days. Maine may not be all the way back from his operation etc. They are not playing any worse than they were at this point last year. Some of you are getting a little over the top in my humble opinion
Mets are in a rough stretch
I wrote earlier today that they were similar last year and by the AS break they were right back in it. There’s plenty of time.
but....
that would mean people would actually understand that there are 162 games in a baseball season and even the best teams lose 50 games.
70 even
That’s still a good season, IMHO.
yeah, 50 is a epic season
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
I don't think most of the people on this site have really changed their opinion about Maine
But I think going into the season it was pretty obvious our pitching staff after Johan was likely going to struggle and was full of question marks, so far our pitching staff after Johan has done nothing to alleviate these concerns. It’s hard not to give up on a pitching staff I expected to barely be league average to begin with.
Expecting frustrating things
apparently doesn’t make them any less frustrating.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you're right
After a long offseason though, a rough start seems that much rougher.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kahlil Greene
Is a walking, groundball hoovering machine.
Amazing Rangers highlights
For all you interested Rangers fans.
Are we...
becoming one of those teams that you only have 1 starter to worry about .
fossum
wasn’t terrible. got an out with bases loaded, that at least keeps us semi in the game, gives up a single to pujols (well, ok) and gets ankiel.
When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."
Stokes in, Cora in replacing Slappy
Yeah, this should turn it around. Good job Jerry.
made we can get Marlon back
and sit Voltron.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
This makes perfect sense.
……
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Not that bad
Get Cora up leading off and move the pitchers spot to #8 after Luis made the last out.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the mechanics of it
But you’re saying Stokes is in for the 8th and maybe the 9th unless the Mets rally, which I guess is not really giving up the game, but your best (arguably) early season hitter is now out of the game. Was Stokes really better than Fossum in that situation?
I guess
I think he was gonna take fossum out there no matter what.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah take your hottest hitter out down 5-1
make sense
Apparently Jerry thinks
He’s not going to see 9 more Mets come to the plate in 2 innings.
Last night was a heartbreaker
tonight, I feel like I’m getting hit over the head with a mallet over and over.
Typical maine
High pitch count, untimely walks, flat fastballs, hard hits.
11 in a row set down now
Mets are going very, very quietly. Making the Cards pitching staff look very good.
That sounds like
You took the under on the SWAG.
The stupid Marlins must be loving this.
I feel that their announcers just sit in big chairs with their hands folded, laughing.
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
You know they are
I bet it’s mentioned on their next broadcast.
When did Joel Piniero become Brandon Webb?
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Piniero going for the complete game
Adding insult to injury. Met’s better get it going when they get home or the Marlins will be looking to feast. Jerry needs to get some life back into this team, pronto.
13 in a row now
A lot like last night, out fast early (though not as much tonight) but nothing late. I’m telling you, the Mets are emotionally demoralized right now, and playing like a beaten team. There is no life, no spark, no rally, and plenty of resignation up and down the lineup.
Maine and tRA
What was that thing regarding tRA and his Marlins performance? I would think that with 7 Ks, few walks and 2 fly balls that left the park, tRA would have been kind to him.
Also, I felt Maine’s last start, where he bunched up 5 singles in 1 inning and gave up 1 XBH, would have also been an example of underperforming your tRA. What gives?
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
He had a lot of balls in the air
and a high line drive % in his first game. TRA isn’t just about k’s and walks it’s about contact/type of contact and luck. tRA did not like him after his first start at all.
Mets are making Piniero
Look like Cy Young reincarnate.
Did Greene just ground out?
What? No walk? That’s horrible.
Why
Do we have to see Rick Sutcliff’s ugly mug? Isn’t it bad enough we have to hear his lilting voice?
D Wright!
There ya go!
"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart
Tony pulling the rip cord quickly
Not wanting to give the Mets any life.
He pulled Piniero
Because he’s got 12 Buds on ice and wants to get to them quickly.
TLR = God
Man is a managing genius.
Can anyone hear the sarcasm here?
DONT LOOK INTO HIS EYES!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Even if Maine gave up a lost of liners, I would have thought 7-8 Ks would make up for it, especially since he’s a fly ball pitcher.
I’m still relatively bullish on Maine. He’s got his velocity and movement. His secondary pitches look better than I remember them being since I’ve seen him. His control is not happening now but he’s not a historically wild pitcher.
I see a lot of bad luck in these two starts. And an ump who seemed to have it in for him. (Not to say that he wasn’t wild or bad, but when Darling is talking about how he would have some words for the ump, you know it’s an issue.)
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Well he only actually had 5 k's
And being a flyball pitcher doesn’t make up for giving up line drives.
LOL
Kind of amazing Piniero got away with just 6 hits and that much contact.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we hate Thurston yet?
I’m itching to add a new name to the list.
I admire your mindset but
you and I are not watching the same pitcher
Let's get that run in
Just to feel a bit better about the team.
Clutch_Tron
A hit with a man in scoring position.
Endy
Talking about Maine there?
Do you disagree about his movement, velocity, or secondary pitches?
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Maine
doesn’t throw his changeup enough, slider not working has no command of it, fastball not biting enough, gives up line drives, walks way too many, body language very poor. Opens his shoulder too much and generally looks very uncomfortable. He looks hurt to me. And he has had injury problens and the operation to remove a lesion on his shoulder.
one more base runner
And the tying run comes to bat.
Now Jerry's gonna stick with Church?
Interesting
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Church is really struggling all of a sudden
Not taking any pitches, lunging, trying to hit everything 600 feet.
I love the confidence leaving him in there
But it wasn’t the right decision if you have Tatis AND Sheffield on your bench. If its one or the other, fine, save them in case you get one more baserunner. But with both, why not use one?
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point
And a bad manageing move by Jerry. He’s not on his game either.
Well then he must have had a bad taco or something
His gut was wrong
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran
is obviously the reason why we haven’t made it to the world series for three consecutive years. Note that no team Beltran’s ever been on has won three consecutive World Series. The only guys who have done that are Dereck Jeter and Scott Brosius. This is no coincidence.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Emmy-award winning analysis here
No, seriously.
Well put
We’re not paying him the big bucks so he can hit RBI doubles in a losing cause in April. The guy needs to go. I say Beltran to the Nats for Michael O’Connor and a minor-leaguer. That way, we can at least get something for him before it’s too late.
This Michael O'Connor
Must be a hell of a player. Wait, let me look him up.
terrible pitch to swing at by delgado
Another bad swing by churchy.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 22, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
By the way
A phrase from the past that some of you may remember. When Murphy slipped on the liner last night, the voice I heard in my head was the legendary Howard Cosell saying "Down goes Murphy! Down goes Murphy! Down goes Murphy! I can hear it, even now….
Ali-Frazier
Is everyone here too young to remember that?
Yes it was
And I hate wasting my time. But it’s fun talking to all you guys, so it’s not a total waste.
Yeah, really
If I’m gonna devote three hours of my night to watching the Mets, at least win. I didn’t just flip on the TV because I had nothing else to do.
And that's the game
I almost had the SWAG score right, 5-2 instead of 5-3, but once again I had the wrong team winning.
and game over
Shef was 1-9 against Franklin and wasn’t the tying run. I don’t get that
Indeed
I had little problem with Sheff there. 1-9 is close to nothing.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Apr 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
thing about Manuel
There are good things and bad things
He makes totally inscrutable moves and gives away outs in droves as early as the seventh inning with ridiculous sacrifices. (But in the Tatis at-bat with 1st and 2nd in the eighth in a tie game, where it might make sense to bunt, he doesn’t do it.) He puts players on at the wrong time and makes absurd substitutions.
On the flip side, he does have some form of meritocracy in place and he does tend to put his best relievers in high-leverage spots, winning or losing. And you can listen to the guy talk and he seems to have a handle on his players, which you can’t ignore.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
All true
And your point in saying this is?
Yeah, not doing much for me
Manual has his team flat right now, he’d better find a way to get them motivated to play. They are listless and lifeless, playing despondent baseball.
They had a bad game
Every team looks lifeless after a bad game. Unless you want Maine to do a Jeter fist-pump after giving up 5 in 5 and 2/3 and letting the pitcher get on twice
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Apr 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing
They look flat and lifeless during the game, not just at the end. It’s palpable.
he needs to pee in their milkshakes
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
He’s not afraid to give young players significant playing time, which is something Willie Randolph was averse to.
And I sincerely hope
That faith is rewarded with good play. Because the Mets and their fans expect a winner, not a work in progress. Not with 140 mil on the payroll.
Right about the youngsters
My point is that I can’t really decide if I want to run the gangsta out of town, in spite of tons of wierd moves and dumb sacrifices.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Run JM after 14 games
Who you want in the dugout?
It's not been just 14 games
He’s been doing this his whole career, with the inscrutable moves and the senseless bunts. I can’t decide though if the good outweighs the bad.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Apr 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He was good enough last year
To bring the Mets nearly all the way back from oblivion.
Willie Randolph
is not the highest hurdle to clear. Anyway, it’s not particularly important. I’m leaning to the conclusion that his general personnel management outweighs everything else. If you give up outs, it’s bad, but you more than compensate by giving your better guys more PAs.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Apr 22, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Maine
I think Jerry’s overthinking a lot of things, trying to make something happen. The truth is, with this rotation, there’s just not much else he could do anyway. He is starting to frustrate me in some ways, but I can’t hold him too accountable for anything.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be
The fall guy though, if they keep this kind of play up for any length of time.
Ah well
Weird game. In a lot of ways, not as bad as the one the night before, but the result is the same. Less sloppy play. Piniero not registering a single K but somehow giving up just 6 hits in 8+. That’s just strange, not really much you can do.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Chalk it up to the full moon
it was a strange game all around. Not bad like last night but never felt the Mets had a chance, especially after the third inning.
They really need someone to step up in the rotation though
Its tough to watch. Three guys have now made three starts, and only one has had more than one good start. The other guys hurt, and the other one is, well, Livan.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes indeed
That has become painfully obvious.
I'm tellin ya
Bump Johan up to tomorrow. They’re not gonna do it at this point, but I wish they would.
by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets play early tomorrow
Time to go enjoy the Bruins highlights and go get ’em tomorrow. Have a nice night everybody.
GO BRUUUINs
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Apr 22, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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