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Open Thread: Mets vs Nationals

Washington Nationals at New York Mets, Apr 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT





W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Oliver Perez 1-1 3 3 0 0 0 0 15.0 14 13 13 1 12 15 7.80 1.73


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Jordan Zimmermann 1-0 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.0 6 2 2 1 1 3 3.00 1.17

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Hopefully we'll do better in the swag today

as yesterday the AA community recorded a collective 0.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright Ollie

Lets see if we can get two quality starts in a series. Yes, QS is kind of a weak stat, but when you’re getting 1-2 max each trip through the rotation, it can be rather instructive.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

no mercy

sweep this joke of a team

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

That was an entertaining highlight package showing the Nats. But the joke will be on us if we can’t seal the deal today.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's great

walk a guy with 1 major league hit. I love Oliver Perez

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It bears repeating

Those things are not accurate. Sometimes they’re way off.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Bad memories. Middle school.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I remember seeing

Good stuff, but the hitters seemed to pick up on what he was trying to do to them the second time through, and he makes his share of mistakes, but not many over the plate with the slider and his fastball is good enough to get away with a few mistakes.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

I expect Jose to get the stolen-base crown back this year.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

I think steals can be overblown, but Reyes has a chance to get quite a few.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

And he just took 3rd after Zimmerman (3B) threw to first on a ground ball. Nice play.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to see Reyes stealing.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Gah.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasn't Jose's fault

Beltran hit a weak flare in front of Zimmerman, who Reyes was trying to follow in on his lead. Zimmerman caught it on a hop and wound up in a rundown, but Reyes was dead to rights either way just with the weird way the ball was hit.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

and he did a good job in the rundown too, almost managed to get back to 3rd

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jose messed up

Either go back to the bag, or start running immediately. He did neither and it cost the Mets (until Delgado’s triple, at least).

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

He couldn’t start immediately with the ball in the air like that, he could have gotten back but it would have had to be an instant reaction and after it didn’t happen, he did the right thing.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, that was a tough play.

If he kept moving, and Zimmerman caught it, that’s a DP. But if he stays, Beltran’s out, and there are two outs with no runs scored.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Was that ANOTHER error?

Jesus.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

triple?

Holy Crap, Carlos II!

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nats defense = teh awesome

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

How much money could have been won

if you bet someone that Delgado would hit a triple at Citi Field before Reyes?

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

heh

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

DWright

Now if we can just get Wright out of his slump…..

by MetsFan4Decades on Apr 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Dub's April numbers have never been good.

2007: .244 with 23 Ks
2008: .281 with 16 Ks
2009 (coming into today): .288 with 20 Ks
Not yet worried.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Our defense also = teh awesome

that was ugly.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Non-sarcastic?

I’m not even sure what that means anymore.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaagh!

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Murphy fell down again??

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Flores is mocking us

stupid stupid stupid.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Omar! Omar! Omar!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

can we fire omar

or set him on fire or something

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

we are not the Cubs

why do we have to steal their tradition?

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I wasn't watching

did someone throw the ball back? Philly fans have been doing that the last few years too. Rotten thiefs

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, CJ

How awesome has the Giants draft been?
I’m uberexcited
/nerd.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I was a little disappointed we didn’t get Braylon, but that disappointment has faded. I think Reese has done an unbelievable job. The fact that he’s picking guys I’ve actually heard about in the 4th and 5th rounds is impressive

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

I think we did basically as well as we could have in the draft. Like, we weren’t realistically getting Crabtree or Maclin. But Nicks+Barden+Beckum is good. Very good.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a Jets fan

I’m incredibly jealous. And don’t forget about sintim.

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

we got sanchez and green

we could of had more but we still came out good

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may be in the minority

but I actually like what the Jets did. I really like Sanchez (more than Stafford, for sure) and don’t think the Jets overpaid for him. The two defensive players are easily replaceable, and Sanchez is better than Ratliff. Basically, the only valuable thing I see them giving up is next years #2, which is a small price to pay for a potential franchise QB.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Sanchez more than Stafford as well.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stintim and Beatty are 1st round talents that we got in the 2nd, so I'm thrilled about that.

And we just got Andre Brown, RB.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Brown pick a lot

but my favorite pick by far has been Ramses. Even if he sucks, his name is just so awesome, especially for a huge dude.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted Britt

but I grew up in NJ and am a Rutgers fan, so take that for what it’s worth

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

I just was praying we didn’t end up with Robiskie.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also:

“Sweeeeeeet, Caroline…”

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear that the Wilpons are considering playing "New York, New York" after Mets wins.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bruce Springsteen would be our best bet.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I actually always though we should play the Liza version, kinda in jest to make fun of the Yankees but also to have our own tradition – they don’t own this city

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

better idea

randomly selected fan gets to sing it karaoke each game

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

great…
that was a bomb…

by AmazinX5 on Apr 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Our $36 million dollar acquisition almost gave up a HR to..

Alberto Gonzalez.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Derek Lowe

why couldn’t have gotten him?

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

the braves stole him from under us…

by AmazinX5 on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Flores's Baseball-Ref page sponsor

“A small measure of revenge against Omar Minaya”

by James Kannengieser on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahaha...

on that last play i kicked the computer table…and it restarted…hahahahh

by mordsith on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Flores

should legally change his surname to “Christ”

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

HBP in the swag ftw!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

is it my imagination...

or have our broadcasters been saying the names of various sponsors on-air more often this year?

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hard to say

It’s so pervasive now that I hardly even notice.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as bad as NYY.

At one point, they actually segwayed from the game action and had an ad during the action.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We are coming to you live

from the bank of america press box here at yankee stadium. It’s the IBM 3rd inning, and the count is 2-2, brought to you by Tostitos, the snackmaker. Now batting its Derek Jeter. You know, Derek Jeter’s favorite news service is Reuters. Reuters, it’s what Derek JEter uses. And Jeter strikes out. That strikeout is brough to you by axe shower gel. If you’re wearing axe, you won’t strike out.

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...with the ladies.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did we mention Jeter has an Edge?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the Nats defense.

The gift that keeps on giving.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL @ Ralph on Dunn:

“But he’s a football player, he’s used to a bigger ball.”

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

19th error of the year for the Nats.

BARF.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Human Slot Machine both on the mound AND at the plate.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh snap, Ollie.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn

I think I already lost the swag contest. There’s no way the Nats can go 7 more innings w/o another error.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

when Keith says the ump is squeezing the pitcher, you KNOW it’s a small strike zone

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Blah.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Just realized Dunn's at first

Over/under on how many times Keith will use something Dunn does in this game as an example of “what not to do as a first baseman”: 3.5

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose Reyes

I think someone mentioned before that Reyes has hit some balls that off the bat looked to me as they would travel far further than they did. Is it a Citi-Field illusion? Does anyone else see this? Reyes hit a HR in Cinci., and while that’s not Citi Field, it’s, well, Cinci…

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, on that last one,

looked like it was gonna be pretty close to the track off the bat, but Kearns barely moved.

by gogomets on Apr 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll call it now

3 run homer for jesus christ flores

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

nice job ollie

YOU SUCK!

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Oliver Perez is sooooooooooo bad.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Better Perez:

Odalis or Oliver?
I’m really not sure.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Odalis actually

had a 101 ERA+ last year. Who knew?>

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Omar left him off the 40 man and the nats took him and kept him the big leagues all of 2007

by DoctorK16 on Apr 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know

when the GM makes bad signings (i.e. Oliver Perez) I usually make it a policy to hate on the GM and not the player. But I think I’m beginning to hate Ollie.

by James Kannengieser on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a fan of the Murph-to-Reyes relay

Murph’s arm looked fine yesterday, why not just let him heave it?

Also, crap, I realized that I rewound my TiVo like 30 seconds to rewatch a play before, and when I caught up I see the Nats scored again. Ollie sucks

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet he is the frist one to AAA

maybe we could call up figgy or something

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Levels of hate, ascending.

Omar: for believing Ollie.
Ollie: for never being consistent.
Boras: for being a gigantic douche.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel so badly for Johan Santana.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

he sould not have to watch this d-bag called ollie

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

Shawn Bowman hits a solo HR for Binghy, then Ks on a pickoff attempt.

Omar looks stupid to the astute fan for paying Ollie $36 mil. and ignoring the superior Odalis who is available for a used french fry.

Omar will look stupider to the average fan if Omar signs Odalis and said average fan sees that the superior Perez was available for $34.5 mil. less than Ollie.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

4 years as a GM and all Omar has to show for the farm is a #2-#3 starter in Pelf and a 7th inning man in Parnell.

Really now, when you add it up, I think that the case for getting rid of Minaya is becoming air-tight.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lower levels are looking good though.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voltron!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Although

again, signing Odalis (who is superior to Livan) is the better move.
Voltron!

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

On a scale of Antarctica to Hell

how hot is Beltran? I say somewhere around “forest fire hot.”

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose Lima's wife hot?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice steal attempt, Beltran.

Nawt…

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Was that supposed to be a hit and run or something?

Beltran looked downright confused…but no slide? WTF

by gogomets on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Still gotta slide

But I have to believe someone missed a sign there, Beltran looked completely baffled when he glanced over his shoulder and saw Wright didn’t swing.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran

Does Tranny have the Carl Pavano asscheek injury that affects his sliding or something.

by DoctorK16 on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

this game sucks

3 more years of Oliver Perez is going to be fun.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

He won't last that long at this rate.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Voltron was dead meat there but, still, is he just slide averse?

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Gah.

Hagan just said “grit”.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Beltran not sliding.

I think it’s just his quads hurting still, and he doesn’t want to risk sliding when he’s out either way.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

If it is, he’s using his hands MUCH better this time instead of trying to rely on his lower half. Four years ago that would have sapped much of his offensive prowess, but he’s definitely shifted his approach so far this year.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it just me

or does this Justin Maxwell guy look exactly like Carlos Gomez??

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Wierd

Beltran is a smart baserunner, but he’s just giving red meat to the rabble when he does that stuff.

F!Mart, Holt, Havens, Niese, Thole, Ollie, Castillo

Omar’s future will depend on those 6. If enough of them bust, even the Wilpon’s won’t stand for Mini-Maddoff Minaya

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

To a lesser extent, Murphy, Kunz, and Evans

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flores?

Davis? Marte?

Davis already looks like a bust (secretly I’m rooting for them to convert him to a pitcher), but if Flores or Marte become stars it won’t matter if Havens or F! bust

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

some people on here certainly hope. Personally, I’m torn. I think Omar is far from the worst GM, but he’s also far from the best. I’m just afraid that it’s going to take more than just missing the playoffs again for the Wilpons to fire Omar – my biggest fear is we miss by less than 5 games again, Omar stays and decides to listen to the media and breaks up the core.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Though I just can’t imagine any legitimate baseball person breaking up this core, at least not Reyes/Wright at this point. On a small market team and if the Mets had won 70 games last year, maybe.

But I do believe the criticism that Omar has tried too hard to fix last year’s problems rather than the upcoming problems is legitimate. He didn’t do anything after 2006 except trade away some interesting young arms for organizational fodder. In 2007, the Mets had a solid back half of the rotation but didn’t have a #1. So he got the #1, but did little else, and the bullpen fell apart. Now he’s fixed the bullpen, but the back half of the rotation isn’t pitching to the standards of 2007, and its not like it was completely unpredictable.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I love Keith. Had the funniest look on his face when Kiner was talking about his belly button theory.

by gogomets on Apr 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Have the Mets won

the last game of a series yet this year?

by DevonEdwards on Apr 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Atta boy, Hammer!

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Good question

I would say no.

And I’m not torn on Omar. The guy’s team-building methods are the same as his public speaking qualities. Disorganized, disoriented, vacillating, incoherent.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

to clarify

the reason I’m torn is not b/c I want Omar to stay, it’s b/c I don’t want the Mets to lose enough to justify firing him. I don’t think the Wilpons will do it until the bottom falls out, and I don’t think the bottom’s gonna fall out until Omar stupidly gives away the core.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say this basically every day

Getting kinda old, really.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

boohoo

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

in that case

how about you keep it to yourself and just let us know when they don’t annoy you?

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck

cassey fossam

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Ollie's next start

in Philly will shake him out of it. Unfortunately Johan is going to miss all 5 games against them.

by Mount17 on Apr 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

I hate to agree with rash decisions early in the season, but it does seem like Ollie needs to get himself straightened out in the minors. Maybe its the WBC, but he’s not even right for Ollie. His avg fastball is down about 1.5 mph from any other time in his career. I don’t even know if I could let him start in Philly given that, he just doesn’t have the command to average 89 mph on the fastball, and its not like his other pitches have been anything special.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch

David’s glove has been great but his throwing still leaves much to be desired. That was ugly.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

so

who takes ollie’s spot.i hope it’s figgy,stokes,or parnell

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

If its against the Phillies

I might go with Niese to get the lefty, but he was bad again the other day. The same thing as the previous start, he had three solid innings but it came apart the second time through the lineup.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd vote Figgy.

He’s been good enough to justify being in the majors. >Fossum

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-1NATS

once again FUCK YOU OLLIE

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else think

Manuel keeps bringing Fossum in to relieve Ollie so that Ollie will look slightly better by comparison? Kinda like a “hey Mets fans, it could be worse, this guy could have started.”

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its more like

how you bust out the Volvo instead of the Vette on a rainy day.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry guys

Ollie is a big game pitcher. This was a little game.

by Joamiq on Apr 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

NO. NO. NO. Unless that was sarcasm.

Because that does not cut it. “Big game” pitchers do not fall apart when they don’t have pressure. That doesn’t even make any sense!!!! Oliver Perez is just an inconsistent joke of a pitcher that should be in the minors, or at his best a #3-4, but is being paid like a #2.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is sarcasm.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

“little game” sounds sarcastic

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, wow

I stepped away in the top of the second. Looks like everything has gone wrong since then.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure someone, somewhere has already said this, but:

Randy St. Claire is totally a porno name.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I suppose it could be

Except that dude would probably star in some sort of weird, Victorian-era English porn.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what Murphy

why don’t you stop popping up pitches on hitters counts.

by James Kannengieser on Apr 26, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

one good thing to come from this game

I went and picked up Zimmermann in my fantasy baseball league.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Unbelievable

If a third-place finish is what it takes to get rid of Minaya, I personally don’t have much of a problem with it. This is to say, it is better than a 2nd-place finish where Minaya stays.

He won’t break up the core though. He’s not stupid in that way.

Look at it this way. Through 2011, Minaya has ~ $56 million invested in Francisco Rodriguez, Luis Castillo, and Oliver Perez. Reyes, and Beltran are free agents in 2012 and Wright in 2013 (Reyes and Wright have options, respectively in those years).

This is to say. Omar has more money than a few small-market payrolls on a relief pitcher and 2 albatrosses and Wright and Reyes will each command close to $20mm per year by 2013 (unless Wright really can no longer hit a fastball). This has the potential to get ugly very quickly and Omar is not the man to work this situation out.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Wright can still hit a fastball.

C’mon people, get a hold of yourselves.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Those last few at-bats sucked.

by Prince on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

wait, what?

when did the Nats score four more runs?

by JoshNY on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

when the wheels fell off last inning.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what?

Baseball is crazy. Maybe we can still win this!

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

we've got twelve outs left

That’s an eternity.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I’m still watching. We are playing the Nats, after all.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's possible

But the probability is too low for me to justify watching more. I’ve got errands to run.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Dub getting booed, again.

That’s pretty fucking pathetic, people at the game.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That's twice in this series

Pathetic.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johan Santana disagrees.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johan isn't part of our rotation

referring to him as a mets starting pitcher is an insult to his name. He’s like an angel that comes down every 5th day to deliver us from the suck.

by Gina on Apr 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I have hope for Pelf/Maine.

They have injury problems. Pelf looked pretty decent his last start, Maine I don’t expect much from until May. But Perez…fuck that guy.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Its time Omar learns that the “best remaining available” excuse just won’t cut it in situations where you have to use it as an excuse. It didn’t work with Castillo and it hasn’t worked with Ollie.

by Mark Himmelstein on Apr 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

No really, I actually lol’d at that one

by Joamiq on Apr 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently

The Mets have had a hit in every inning this game. But only one.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Apr 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's safe to say that

Swisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perez

purely on pitching skillz

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Swisher, he's a character.

And wow, Giants just drafted Rhett Bomar.
That’s a very interesting pick. I like.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I checked the score

Back to work

"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos

by Shomov on Apr 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

double switch.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 26, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems early for a double switch

but i guess he wanted fossum in there for more than one inning

by englishgrey on Apr 26, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's weird watching the Mets on an actual TV

and seeing NY commercials. Who the heck is even running against Bloomberg this year?

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

you know what

we have not won the 3rd game of a series this year.

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

How long until

some writer picks up on that and uses it as a symbol of this team’s “inability to finish anything”?

by James Kannengieser on Apr 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Metsblog already did

seriously

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Apr 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

God

I shouldn’t have bothered switching my computer on! I was having such a good weekend…

by deadspy3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

we all were

but then ollie had to pitch

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

if jerry is true to his word

we will not see ollie in about 12 days.thats something good

by JADDENHOPKINS on Apr 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Another silver lining is if the Mets break up the core

And Omar gets to decide who replaces them.
That would make for some grand comedy. It will be from Ewing to Isaiah Thomas allover again.

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

that's not a silver lining

that’s a tragedy. I’d rather be Othello than a mets fan if that happened.

by Gina on Apr 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in 20 years

when the Mets are finally good again, they’ll miss the playoffs a couple of times and it will happen all over again. No lesson learned. Nothing.

Remember Mets fans, no matter how many great Mets get run out of town, we’ll always have Mike Francessa.

The use of the words "silver lining " was intended ironically..

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on Apr 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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