Scotty
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 12:16 AM EDT
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Clearly, the Mets are a team built to win now. The problem is, they have no leadership. The only leader on the team is Santana, but he only plays once every five days. David Wright cannot handle the pressure of the big city, and is the biggest reason why the Mets big three, doesn't stand up to the Phillies big three. Seriously, Wright's statistics "close and late" in games are laughable....almost as laughable as his Gold Gloves. Go see if the Rays will trade Longoria straight up for Wright.....no way...no how. Not even if the Mets ate 100% of Wright's contract. OVERRATED
I think the Mets are destined for .500 this year, and then an off-season that involves breaking up the core of the team. No starting pitching, no playoffs. No clutch hitting, no playoffs. No guts, no playoffs.
Bottom line.....no playoffs this year, 85 wins at best, and a refined core for 2010.
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I kinda wanna rec this
Just so I can unrec it.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did something happen to the FanPost section?
Used to be people actually wrote reasonable posts about their ideas, little bits of statistical insight, trade rumors, information and analysis. Now I feel like the place has been retitled “Post Senseless Knee-Jerk Irrational Rant Here” over the last few days — or maybe just “WFAN Caller Waiting Area”?
by anonymous on Apr 29, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd (anonymous' comment, not this horrible fanpost)
I’m glad more people are visiting Amazin’ Avenue, but some recent fanposts have been awful.
by ams258 on Apr 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it kinda sucks. It's like people sign up for SBNation, post a Fanpost, defend the Fanpost, and never show up again.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Apr 29, 2009 6:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
F-
for naming the post after himself.
by James Kannengieser on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
You know what? I was sitting here trying to figure out why the post was called Scotty. Never occurred to me to look at the name of the person making the post.
by Alex Nelson on Apr 29, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if someone offered me an above replacement value player and ate 100% of their contract, I would do it 90% of the time regardless.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blart.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's right on some areas
but the overall message isn’t what we’re looking for as mets fans. i completely agree we need leadership other then santana- but Wright needs some time. He got the clutch hit last night, anyway. but the bullpen blew it. i would agree that omar needs to make another move for the rotation- but only after some more bad outings from Perez and Maine.
no need to panic yet.
by LEFTY120491 on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
David Wright in September 2007, when everything else was falling apart:
.352/.432/.602, 6 HR, 20 RBI
And in September 2008:
.340/.416/.577, 6 HR, 21 RBI
What a choking choker.
by JoshNY on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Wright is a joke
He needs to start hucking bats into the stands. That’s what a real leader would do.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks at EVERYTHING, doesn't he?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this would be great
if a regular on this site wrote this fanpost. cause then we’d know it was facetious. and then we could have a good laugh. but no, it’s been written by someone who doesn’t understand the concept of a subject line. so it’s sad. very sad.
by englishgrey on Apr 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this.
On a side note, when did the phenomenon of “FAIL” with these great images start? They are all over the place now.
by TBlz on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
but I find them to be hilarious
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright
Please go back and look at Wright’s numbers “close and late” for last year. Also, what’s his lifetime batting avergae in the playoffs?
Straight up….who would you rather have for the next ten years….David Wright or Evan Longoria?
David Wright….not a captain….no arm…no guts…..no rings….no way…no how.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has been in the playoffs...once. One year.
His fielding has been better than ever this year, including his arm. I’m absolutely positive each and every human being has an arm AND guts. How does him (and the majority of baseball) not having a ring mean David Wright is a bad player? And, before last year, he had outstanding numbers close and late. And I would much rather have David Wright. He’s a top ten position player in baseball, and he’s still young. The only players who are similar ages and have similar value are Hanley and Grady, but the Mets are stacked at SS and CF too. So, no. I wouldn’t trade David for anyone (except maybe Albert Pujols, but Albert Pujols is a god among men).
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs
Maybe part of the problem is that he has only been in the playoffs once. Here’s the reality when it comes to “guts”….the Phillies have them and the Mets don’t. Look what happens when the Mets fall behind in games. Do they ever come from behind? If Wright wants to be the face of the franchise, then he needs to be held accountable for the lack of offensive production late in games.
Let’s face it, Wright’s inability to be clutch late in games is the main reason why any reasonable, objective baseball fan would take Rollins, Utley and Howard over Reyes, Wright and Beltran….of course according to your argument, the fact that the trio of Phillies have rings, doesn’t make them better players. If that’s the case, then why keep score?
David Wright is a nice little player and will have a nice little career. But he doesn’t have a winning pedigree and should not considered a captain, nor should he be the face of the franchise.
The Mets have one future Hall of Famer on their team and he’s ptiching today.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If I were human, I believe the correct response would be 'Go to Hell'" -- Spock
Every regular on this site is a reasonable, objective baseball fan. And I guarantee you every one of them would choose Reyes, Wright, and Beltran. Of course the whole objective of baseball is the World Series. Duh. But are you seriously telling me right now that you think that someone like Shane Victorino is better than Carlos Beltran and that the sole reason for that is the amount of WS rings each one has?
Guts in baseball is a gross misunderstanding. You say the Mets don’t have guts because they don’t come back to win games. Have you ever thought, “Maybe it’s because, as opposed to Phillies games, Citi Field has different dimensions that make it more difficult to score runs”? We’ve won several games already that were won in the first few innings. And no matter what you say, slump or otherwise, you cannot blame ONE player for an entire team’s shortcomings over a sustained amount of time. In baseball, it is just incorrect.
As for this nice little player you bring up…you’re honestly telling me that someone cannot be a good player because he does not win a World Series? Go to the Hall of Fame and read up on some of the guys who are in there that never won a World Series. And wtf do you mean, a winning pedigree? You’re saying that in his DNA, David Wright is unclutch, will never be a winner, and will never do things when it counts? Honestly, tell me: are you high right now? Are you a Phillies troll? Are you an idiot? Because those are the three possibilites, bud.
And, btw, the Mets could have as many as 6 Hall of Famers on their roster right now. But who knows? No one knows. They could have zero. They could have 10. Any team could have productive players on their team jump out into super awesome mode at any time. That’s just a weak argument.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reality
Squid…in regard to the late inning comebacks or lack thereof in terms of the Mets, you bring up the dimensions at Citi? Do the Mets play road games? Look, I’m just stating the facts and I’m sorry if they offend you, but they are facts nonetheless.
When i look at the production, the results, and the careers of Philly’s big three versus the Mets big three, I just don’t see the arugment on behalf of the Mets. Look at Ryan Howard’s production and how he carried the Philly offense late last year. Ask yourself if any of the Mets have been able to step up in similar fashion.
A player’s success is determined by many factors, and championships go a long way in determining success.
Who was better Chamberlain or Russell?
The point is, like most Met fans you have an inferiority complex brought about by playing second fiddle to the Yankees for so many years and I understand that. But let’s be realistic, Rollins backed up his pre-season comments two years ago with an MVP. What did Beltran do to back up his pre-season comments last year? Answer….absolutely nothing. Same thing David Wright did against the Cubs last year in his most important AB of the season.
Ask MLB GM’s which “big three” they’d rather have and see what they tell you. My guess is, they’d rather have the Phil’s and the ring.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"championships go a long way in determining success."
Not individual success. It seems like you value number of rings over true talent and success.
by BlackOps on Apr 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent
Baseball is a team game. Individual achievements mean very little when compared to a champion’s legacy. Remember, true talent is an element of winning, but hard work begins where talent ends, and nobody outworks a champion.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god
The troll is totally reading this off of an inspirational poster.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 29, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you confused yourself.
Baseball is an individual sport with elements of a team game. There is a battle. The pitcher vs. the hitter. No one else can help you. That’s it. I don’t even understand what you’re argument is anymore.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, they'd rather have rings.
But in terms of players, which are not the same thing, the Mets big three are better. No doubt.
And excuse me, inferiority complex? Well, at least we now know you aren’t even close to a Mets fan. And again, in terms of your “facts”, you’ve been cherry picking this whole time. I’ve told you stats, but you don’t listen. Everyone has told you stats. But you don’t listen. And in terms of Ryan Howard’s production…he was slightly more valuable than Carlos Delgado. Who is the 4th most valuable player on the Mets, and by a large margin. So, yes. Reyes+Wright+Beltran IS more valuable than Utley+Howard+Rollins.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(uh, a lot of people would say Wilt was a better player...)
(there’s no clear answer to that question…)
by Joamiq on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Whose career would you have rather had. Wilt or Russell? Keep in mind that in games that were “win or go home”, Russell was 21-0.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In situations that were "get laid or go home"
Wilt was 20,000-0
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a different question
Obviously, Russell’s teams won a lot more games. But by that logic Robert Horry was a better player than Michael Jordan. A lot of people would argue that Wilt was a straight up better player than Russell.
The point is that, in basketball or baseball, championships don’t mean one player is “better” than another.
by Joamiq on May 1, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair though
Russel NEVER lost, and in basketball (especially back then) there’s a lot more stuff that doesn’t show up in a boxscore that just about every old school basketball expert will tell you Russell did better than anyone, ever. Throwing outlet passes to start fast breaks, blocking opponents shots back to his teammates, making the pass that leads to the assist, etc. I think, especially in a sport like basketball, the fact that Russell won the title every single year even though Wilt was playing at the same time certainly lends some weight to the idea that he was better, if ever so slightly, than Wilt.
What any of that has to do with baseball, I have absolutely no idea.
by cjmulrain on May 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an observer of this blog who doesn't care about either team.
You are really stupid and use a lot of words without actually knowing what they mean. Like “facts.”
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
did you know that David Wright is currently 2nd on the Mets all-time walkoff hit list? He’s ahead of every single player from the ‘69 and ’86 Mets. Does that mean none of them had winning pedigree’s too?
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer
No. While your point is well taken, ask yourself if you truly believe that David Wright is a clutch player. Is he at his best when the money is on the line? Does he elevate his game in the biggest AB’s. I believe that if you’re objective and honest with yourself, you’ll understand my point about winning pedigree.
Look at it this way….Wright will outperform a guy like Derek Jeter on a day in day out basis. But with your baseball life on the line, who would you rather have at the plate? Answer…the guy with rings.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I truly believe he is a great player.
Thus, he is a clutch player. And I’d want David Wright at the plate 100 out of 100 times, thank you.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opinion
Squid…you’re entitled to your opinion, but if you want Wright at the plate 100 times with the money on the line, chances are, he’ll produce a favorable result about 20 times.
I guess you’d prefer Wright at the plate as opposed to Jeter, because Jeter has dificulty holding the bat with four rings on his hand??!!
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you avoiding my question?
What is clutch? Is clutch actual statistics that you’ve already seen here that prove that you’re wrong, or is it the amount of rings?
by BlackOps on Apr 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clutch
A clutch player is able to elevate his own game on the biggest of stages. The more magnified the circumstance, the better the result. Think Jeter in the World Series in 2000.
I believe that you need to watch a player day in and day out, in order to gauge his true ability to step up in a big spot.
it’s not about statistics….look at AROD. No one puts up better numbers and no one is less clutch. Wright puts up very good numbers, but again, where is he on a big stage? He melds into the background while other players step up. Look at Ryan Howard down the stretch last year….that’s clutch!
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Wright had a .993 OPS in September. Just saying.
Your manlove for Howard/Jeter is just example #92947 that you are not a Mets fan. God, you’re gross.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Think Jeter in the World Series in 2000."
What about Jeter in ‘96, when he hit .250/.400/.250/.650 in the World Series? Did he not learn how to be clutch yet, or is it b/c he hadn’t yet acquired any of his magic rings? And what about 2001, when he hit .148/.179/.259/.438? Did Luis Gonzalez steal rings of power from him and throw them into the fires of Mordor? I’m just confused, b/c I thought that Jeters rings meant he would bat 1.000 in the World Series, and they certainly should have propelled him to catch that looper in Game 7.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like this?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame
Is Jeter a Hall of Famer? Assuming you believe that he is, just consider that he learned how to be a winner early in his career, and has used that to his advantage in his later years.
Wright has had no such opportunity, but I’m not saying he can’t become a clutch player. He absolutely can, but at this stage he’s just not there yet. IF the Mets can get back to the playoffs in the next few years, we’ll see what he’s made of. Until then, you’ll have to live with the facts.
Do we need The Lord of the Rings reference?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He LEARNED to be a winner.
Wright never learned how to win. Ok… And these facts you keep bringing up…can I actually see them, like in numerical form?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game
Are you watching the Met game. Did you see Wright against Lidstrom in the 9th? There’s my evidence…..
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check his April splits in his career. Besides the strike out total, his numbers are improved this year. That isn't evidence, my friend. Sorry. Evidence would have to be over a longer stretch of time...
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariano Rivera
once gave up a walkoff hit to Wright. He must suck something fierce I guess.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. One plate appearance.
That’s a good sample size.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright:
1) Avoids getting out at a great rate.
2) Advances base runners at a great rate.
3) Advances himself on the basepaths at a great rate.
4) Makes outs in the field at a great rate.
Since these four things correlate extremely well with winning, I think Scotty needs to be looking for someone else to blame. Or a car to jump in front of.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My god, you sound like a WFAN caller.
EVERY PLAYER IN BASEBALL WILL MORE OFTEN PRODUCE AN UNFAVORABLE RESULT. Just saying.
Of the baserunners that have been on base in David Wright’s career, he has scored 18% of them. Derek Jeter has scored 16%. Again, I keep telling you to look these stats up, but you refuse to be reasonable.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasonable
Squid….you’re a joke. I already stated that David Wright would out produce Jeter on a day in day out basis. No doubt. But in the big spots, on the big stage, when the line between the winners and losers is the clearest, I’ll take Jeter every time.
Seriously, how can you want to engage in a debate where you want to compare your guy, who has accomplished nothing, to a first ballot hall of famer with 4 rings and a World Series MVP….against the Mets no less…..
You’re embarassing yourself…..
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look around you. Who has agreed with you? No one.
Was David Wright in MLB when the 2000 WS happened? No. So that isn’t a fair comparison. So right now…Today…if there were 3 men on base, in the bottom of the ninth inning, with Derek Jeter or David Wright available, you’d pick the Derek Jeter of today over 26 year old, approaching his prime David Wright? Really?
It’s common sense. It isn’t difficult to comprehend. Sit down.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter
Please just look at RISP stats and you’ll see my point. Forget age, forget teams and forget your blind faith in the Mets and just look at the facts…..
Jeter….4 rings, a W.S. MVP and a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Wright….0 rings, 0 MVP’s. Prefers to choke on Grannysmith apples come late September.
One guy is a captain and a leader and the other can’t beat the Marlins in September. You do the math. Sit down if you have to.,,
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
roflcopter.
“Please just look at RISP stats and you’ll see my point”
Ok:
Jeter: .842 OPS
Wright: .889 OPS
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^^
those are career numbers, btw.
Also, by your logic, is Jerry Coleman better than Ted Williams, since he had 6 rings to Williams’ 0. Was Coleman clutchier than Williams?
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not even arguing clutchier at this point, he's arguing purely and simply BETTER.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late and close CAREER.
David Wright: .888
Derek Jeter: .811
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....but.....
David hasn’t won a game playing all nine positions, hit a 6 run homer, completed a quadruple play OR hit 60 home runs in a season yet.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
close and late
Are you adding SLP to BA to get that number?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yes. That is what OPS signifies...
You really haven’t heard of that stat before?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that explains
SO much. Also, it’s Slugging + On-Base percentage, not BA.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit. I gave him more credit than he deserved.
I thought he had at least the baseball knowledge to know that, so I sorta just skimmed it and assumed that’s what he meant.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yea
I knew you knew that, btw, my explanation was aimed at him
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yeah.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RISP
Read my post and you’ll unsderstand……I was looking for RISP not OPS.
I’m a statistican for a living……I think I can handle it…
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're a statistician? seriously?
Three letters I’ve never typed in earnest before: LOL.
by anonymous on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Yes…a statistician. Do you even have a job? By the way, I sold my business first, then became a statistician. And you……this should be good….
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
job? what's that?
I live in my mom’s basement, of course.
by anonymous on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think RISP is a rate stat that tells anything about performance.
And you don’t know what OPS is.
Or OPS w/ RISP.
You’re not a statistician.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then you'll understand
How small a sample size 189 ABs is. That was Wright’s AB w/RISP total in his only year with a batting average w/RISP below .298.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a statistician? No way.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Yes I am. Home assisting my bed-ridden wife, so I thought I’d incite the Met fans.
Seriously, Wright in the 9th….he’s struggling in big spots no?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
He’s struggling in most spots. But its no different than what he did in April 2007, when he hit .244 / .383 / .311 with no homers and 23 Ks in April. And what did he do that year? Just wound up setting career highs in average, homers, steals, OBP, SLG, and walks.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair
Fair point. Would you say that David Wright is getting better as an all-around player as he enters his prime?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yes. Yes I would.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Where’s YOUR evidence? I think he was better in 2007 than in 2008 or thus far in 2009…..
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that.
Look, David Wright had a season for the ages in 2007. If the rest of his team hadn’t let him down, he would have won MVP. Grady Sizemore has been progressively worse since 2006; he’s still an amazing baseball player. And yes, an amazing one, not a nice little player.
My evidence is that if you look at his April numbers his whole career, INCLUDNG 2007, this year (besides the Ks) his numbers are decidedly better. You really have to wait a lot longer before you can make ANY judgments.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say
That he doesn’t need to get better. The guy has had four full big league seasons, and all four have been elite, superstar caliber years. I think the “clutch hitter myth” is in his head a bit now, perhaps mostly from just one AB late in 2008 (after Murphy’s triple in that Sept game) and he’s not locked in physically either. But its a long season, and there’s plenty of time for that to change.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the first statistician who doesn't understand small sample size or leverage, then.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philkid
You are absolutely right. Why don’t you put your ivy league education to good use and explain it to me.
Actually, let’s make it simple…..let me know when you can afford the cheap seats at Citi, and I’ll let you know when I undersand finance and statistical analysis…..jackass.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm not the one pretending to be something I'm not.
Which is: someone with a clue about a subject they pretend to be an expert on.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expert?
When did I claim to be an expert (or pretend to be for that matter)? Did I miss something? You failed reading comprehension didn’t you….
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're a professional statistician, I should hope you're an expert.
So are you just bad at your job?
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expert (2)
Phil…try and understand. I’m an expert in the field of financial statistical analysis….not baseball.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that still should necessitate the importance of small sample size.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the fact that you're a professional statistician. . .
. . . a statement you offered up. . . is relevant to this conversation how?
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I was looking for RISP not OPS."
Umm…what? I gave you his OPS with RISP. I’m not sure what you want. Did you want me to find you a video of David Wright getting a hit with a runner in scoring position and another video of Derek Jeter not getting a hit with a runner in scoring position, b/c it seems like you only understand at-bat by at-bat visual evidence.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants the total number of runners in scoring position.
He’s a statistician, so clearly he meant what he actually said. Right?
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RISP not OPS
ROFL
RISP is a situation, not a statistic. Nice one, “statistician”
by Joamiq on Apr 29, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I was looking for RISP not OPS."
So you want to know. . . how many runners where in scoring position over his PAs? Not how he did in those situations? Because that might deflate your argument?
I’m a statistican for a living……I think I can handle it…
There is no possible way this statement is true.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why I waited so long to rec this
It is a perfect response.
by Joamiq on May 1, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WFAN
You’re about as objectivwe as Evan Roberts, although you may be more thought out than Evan….who is an absolute idiot…
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
You’re not going to convince everyone here that David Wright is a poor player because of a bad month. Your “close and late” argument is inaccurate. Wright’s career batting line going into this year in “close and late” situations: .307 / .407 / .483. Career batting line w/RISP: .299 / .393 / .495. Oh yeah, and he just turned 26 this past offseason. There are very few, if any, players in all of baseball, including Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, or Braves, that I would want on my team before David Wright.
I won’t dispute you that this Mets team could be a >90 win group, they might just wind up there, though I do think they have the opportunity to be better. I also won’t dispute you that David Wright is having a rough month and that its significantly contributing to the Mets lack of offense. But I will absolutely argue with you if you actually try to make some sort of convoluted, semi-rational claim that Mr. Wright is bad at baseball.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should read
You’re not going to convince anyone
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read
Please read my posts. AGAIN, Wright is a nice little player and an all-star, I realize that, and would not portray otherwise. However I believe that he is overrated based on his performance in big spots in the last two years specifically.
Just try to be objective and please don’t compare him to first ballot Hall of Famers! it’s not fair to David. He’s a good player…..
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How in any way is it not fair to him?
And you know what? Before you said I’m unobjective. Well, you’re obviously someone who dislikes the Mets. I think you have to wait until the end of this year before you can make ANY judgments on him in terms of “clutch”.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets
I’m clearly not a Met fan, But I’m fair about my outlook for them. I think they’ll win between 85-87 games. I’m assuming that they’ll go .500 in games that Santana does not pitch, and Santana will be roughly 10—12. That gets you 85-87 and an outside shot at the wild card. No worse…no better.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's fair
But its not because David Wright sucks. Its because their starters don’t go more than five or six innings and because its hard to see them getting more than replacement level production from 2B and C.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Again…Wright a good player. Please don’t misconstrue my statements. Delgado could be an issue as well….
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
While calling someone overrated in big capital letters doesn’t necessarily mean you think they suck, it would seem to indicate such. Most MLB teams have things that “could be” issues. I mean, do you think the Phillies are a 95 win team? If so, what makes them that that the Mets don’t have? You just like their core better? I think Jimmy Rollins is overrated. The guy’s never posted a .350 OBP, and he’s only had one outstanding year in his career, and even that year got overrated when he won the MVP.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies
NO. I don’t think the Phils are a 95 win team…not in the least. But late in the season, when things get tight, I think they’re much tougher mentally than the Mets.
Also, I’m not convinced that the Marlins will go away that easily. Remember, with the Marlins it seem to be every 6 years or so.
As for Rollins, It’s the Jeter debate all over again. Jose reyes will outperform Rollins day in and day out, But I’d take Rollins in a big spot over Reyes any day.
The Phils also have much better peripheral players than the Mets. Victorino, Werth and Ibanez and much better than the next three Mets.
Mets are better on the back end of the pen, but i’m not sure it’s enough and KROD, believe it or not, is wild and inconsistent (I know about the save record). I’d rather face K-rod than Papelbon, Nathan or Mo.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I see.
Marlins WS 97+Marlins WS 03=Marlins WS 09.
Ok, so THAT’S why David Wright is unclutch.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confusion
Squid, I think you should take a reading comprehension course. I’m way past killing Wright, so you’re speaking past the point. His perfromance speaks for itself.
Unclutch?? really?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
Scotty understands neither statistics nor sarcasm
by Joamiq on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I'm confused...ok..
The main evidence of your post was that David Wright has no heart, and is grossly overrated.
I don’t think I’m the one confused here, bud.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clutchiness is kind of a meme here
In that we enjoy making fun of people who use ineffable qualities to determine a player’s quality.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I partially agree about Werth and Victorino
Though the Mets have more potential fodder, while I’d take Werth over any of the Mets corner guys one to one, if you offered me whoever performs the best out of Church, Sheffield, Murphy, and Tatis OR Werth, I’d probably go with the Mets guy.
And for the record, by your standards, here’s the career numbers w/RISP for Reyes and Rollins:
Rollins: .288 / .377 / .476
Reyes: .286 / .400 / .476
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ring
is worth .100 in all departments though, so Rollins is really .388/.477/.576 with RISP.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grit is another +.100
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah of course
I forgot, probably because Rollins’ has generally been a forgettable presence in the postseason: .229 / .289 / .443
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
" Jose reyes will outperform Rollins day in and day out, But I’d take Rollins in a big spot over Reyes any day."
“Big spots” = the same value as every other spot as far an individual player’s control.
Players don’t have a finite number of hits in their body that they should only release in certain positions. They get hits when they can, and if they’re lucky, their teammates will get their hits at the same time.
If a player hits a home run in the first, but strikes out in the 9th in a one run game, it’s no less valuable than if he strikes out in the first and hits a home run in the 9th of a one run game. It just looks better.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there is a scale of leverage situation to situation
But the range isn’t THAT big, and there’s nothing particularly instructive or predictive about how a player performs in higher leverage situations vs. lower leverage situations.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That post (Utter Nonsense)
is code for “Damn, he’s right. How do I defend myself from looking wrong?”
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you said he was overrated, and that he has not guts, and that no team would want him.
Sir, you’re tripping over your words here.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll do better than that, but I think it's a fair assessment.
But see, that isn’t your argument. It’s that David Wright has no heart, is a choker his whole career, and that the Rays wouldn’t trade Longoria for Wright even if the Mets ate his salary. On all of those counts, you are undeniably, irrevocably incorrect.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright
I may have been hard on Wright but I think he is overrated. Fair enough. BUT, I still don’t think for a minute that the Rays would move Longoria for anyone on any terms (except maybe Albert)
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's because he's their guy.
Just like Wright is our guy. Same deal. Doesn’t mean we’re homers.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I agree, BUT I think you guys are homers to an extent.
Let me ask you this….Who is the best third basemen in MLB?
Who is second?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on your factors (whether you include age, injuries, etc.)
Some combination of A-Rod, David Wright, and Chipper Jones. Like last year, I thought David was like #3. But this year, because of injuries to A-Rod and Chipper’s age, I’d think he’d be more likely to be #1.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homers
Come on Squid….#1?? I have Wright between 2-3 in competition with Longoria. Have you really watched Longoria play? He’s so good defensively, it’s scary, and he has a ton of power. I know he hasn’t accomplished what Wright has accomplished but he has a higher ceiling than David.
AROD rules the roost for now, as he’s just too good statistically. However, I could give you 5 Yanks that I’d rather have up in a big spot, and he is banged up a bit.
Wright has passed Jones in my opinion. Of course, if the Sox had gotten Teixiera, than the answer to my question might be Youkilis. he’s a stud.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria is good, don't get me wrong.
A top 3B for sure. But David Wright, in a season where YOU said he went down in performance, he was worth approximately 2 wins above replacement level more than Longoria.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know
Even before the injury PECOTA projected Wright to be better than A-Rod this year.
And btw, you really, really don’t realize how good Wright is defensively. Maybe he didn’t quite deserve one of the GG’s, but he has a ton of range. His throwing is erratic, everyone knows that, but he makes a LOT of plays most 3B wouldn’t even dream of.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
He’s an average defender, but well above average with the glove. His arm is a problem……
Believe me, I’m not an AROD guy, but Wright simply doesn’t have the power AROD does, and Wright plays in Yosemite so it’s really not a fair comparasion.
I think that defensively Wright and Arod are about equal (Wright better with the glove, but AROD has a much better arm).
Longoria is better than both….easily.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively, I hope you mean.
Because David was the most valuable with the bat last year, and each A-Rod and Wright were more than 2 wins better with the bat.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they're homers, than you're a hater.
You’re at least as unobjective as they are. And a lot less intelligent.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Mets fan.
Wanna call me a homer?
And the best third baseman is either David Wright or Chipper Jones, but Longoria is close enough that his young age and contract makes him more valuable to an organization.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they wouldn't trade Longoria for Hanley Ramirez, they're idiots.
And they’re not idiots.
And if they wouldn’t trade him for Wright, that doesn’t mean Wright is any better or worse than the 2nd best third baseman in baseball. So it doesn’t tell you much.
How about we compare him by something objective. Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike. . . this.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From someone else who is also clearly not a Mets fan. . .
I’m fair about my outlook for them.
No, you’re not. You’re either a troll or a moron.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
Because I just remember reading an article this offseason comparing the first five years of David Wright’s career favorably against those of George Brett.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett
Brett never had Wright’s power, but Brett was deadly in the clutch….
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but
Wright’s numbers obviously compare favorably there. And if Tom Glavine doesn’t give up seven runs in one inning on the last day of the 2007 season, the Mets make the playoffs, Wright wins the NL MVP (which he probably deserved anyway), and none of this clutchiness nonsense ever becomes an issue.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But very few players compare to Brett in a big spot…he was deadly. Maybe Manny?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright still has
plenty of big spots left in his career. He’s 26. Brett and Manny were dangerous hitters too at 26, but their reputations as two of the greatest “clutch” hitters of all time were hardly solidified. And I’m not saying that because I think Wright is going to reached that perceived status or because I think that he isn’t. My point is, I consider it a huge thrill and a blessing to have such a talented young superstar on the team I root for, and I’m ashamed of my fellow Mets fans for not understanding to appreciate what they have.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm guessing you're one of the people
who would take Derek Jeter as your SS on defense alone.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
No. I don’t have the blind faith about Jeter that you do about Wright. To be fair, neither is very good defensively despite their GG’s.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, David Wright is at least average defensively.
As opposed to Jeter, who’s the worst fielding SS in baseball.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable
You see. To say that Jeter is the worst defensive SS in MLB is just plain stupid, as you probably can’t name (and haven’t seen) half of the SS’s in MLB.
You let your contempt for the Yankees cloud your reason, and it leads to ridiculous statements like that one.
I agree, Wright is an average fielder……
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually can name half of the SS's in baseball with significant playing time. All the ones I know off the top of my head:
NL East: Jose Reyes, Jimmy Rollins, Hanley Ramirez, JJ Hardy, Yunel Escobar, Christian Guzman
NL Central: JJ Hardy, Khalil Greene, Miguel Tejada
NL West: Troy Tulowitzki, Stephen Drew, Rafeal Furcal, Edgar Renteria
AL East: Derek Jeter, Jed Lowrie, Marco Scutaro
AL Central: Alexei Ramirez, Jhonny Peralta, Mike Aviles
AL West: Michael Young, Orlando Cabrera
I mean, just saying.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter is probably the worst defensive every-day shortstop in baseball.
Who cares if someone’s seen them all?
And I have no contempt for the Yankees. Just a much better understand of baseball data than you.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Maybe so. And I think he’s one of the best late inning hitters in the game. What do the stats say about that? Or do those stats not count……
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They say he is, in fact, pretty good at close-and-late situations.
In large part because he is a contact hitter with good bat control, which is who you want up in such a situation.
They also say that’s largely irrelevant because:
A) A hit at any point in the game is worth the same and the changing conditions are out of a player’s control.
B) Unless he’s on the bench, managers don’t have the option to decide when players with good close & late skill sets hit.
C) It’s a small sample size (I know you don’t know what this means, but it means there’s not much data so there’s a very large question mark next to the numbers).
D) It’s a pretty small difference for all players, even the Derek Jeters.
You need to start doing a little bit more reading about baseball. I suggest you start with FanGraphs.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Phil….thanks for clearing up the sample size definition. I missed that one in grad school. The value of a GED is extremely underrated in your case. I think you’re an overachiever. Way to go!!
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do count. But look at your "stats":
Derek Jeter careerinnings 7-9 tOPS+: 86
David Wright career innings 7-9 tOPS+: 92
Pwn’d
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Defense
Is Hanley Ramirez a better defensive SS than Jeter? Be realistic…
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, actually, Hanley wasn't below average defensively.
I know, I found it hard to believe too. But it’s true.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest
I don’t fully trust the defensive metrics enough to say that Hanley isn’t a bad fielder, but when EVERY SINGLE ONE says that Jeter is the worst or at best amongst the worst, I’m inclined to believe that he’s pretty bad.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right, duh
walkoff hits don’t matter, just a bunch of subjective, qualitative questions
And only an idiot or a die-hard Yankee fan would rather have Jeter at the plate.
by Joamiq on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objectivity
You’re right. I must be the idiot. Who would take Jeter in a big spot??……he’s got no track record. My mistake…..sorry.
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just ask yourself if there is any evidence that players are able to perform at a markedly different rate in "clutch" situations.
And since the answer is “no,” this whole argument is rendered worthless.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"according to your argument, the fact that the trio of Phillies have rings, doesn’t make them better players. If that’s the case, then why keep score?"
You failed Intro to Logic, didn’t you.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’m absolutely positive each and every human being has an arm AND guts."
As a man with no arms, I am offended by your broad generalization and demand an apology.
by JoshNY on Apr 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me, sir.
I am, however, impressed by your typing prowess despite your lack of arms.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postseason Career Numbers:
Longoria – .194/.254/.532/.786
Wright – .216/.310/.378/.688
Glaus – .347/.427/.819/1.246
I say Longoria and Wright both suck. Trade Wright and Reyes and Fernando straight up for Troy Glaus. He has FIRE
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the best part of this is how its title is "Scotty".
Like, if everytime Eric did a game summary he named it “ERIC”.
Fail. I didn’t even read the rest…
…and now I did. Andddd I barfed.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wright's late-and-close numbers
Bad in 2008, good in 2007. Good so far in 2009. I don’t think they prove anything.
by JoshNY on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scotty, I have to ask. What team do you root for?
I’d really like to know. It would make this process much less confusing. Do you have another account?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming Yankees
though my wild card guess is the Pirates.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooting interest
The Yankees. BUT I’m a reasonable and realistic fan, and harder on the Yanks than I am on the Mets. I believe that both teams are deeply flawed and overrated by the media and those of us in NYC.
I never bother to compare the Mets and Yanks as teams as I believe it’s a fool’s errand. They’ve been pretty close in recent years, and both now sport payrolls in excess of $150MM.
I also believe that Cashman and Omar are not very good at what they do given the resources. I feel that Omar is better than Cashman at what they do.
Lastly, I think the Sox are once again the best team in the game, and the rest of us are playing catch-up. should be interesting….
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees BUT...
Anddddd there goes your argument, Mr. Jeter vs. Wright debate.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter
Again, I’m not the homer that you are Squid. I realize Jeter’s shortcomings. I know he has no range at SS and little power. he’s a career .316 hitter and he’s a steady influence on the field and in the clubhouse, in the chaos that is the Yanks.
But I’m willing to acknowledge my guy’s flaws, can you do the same?
by Scottyr on Apr 29, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Wrights flaws
1. He’s had 2 bad Aprils in 5 seasons.
2. He’s not Albert Pujols, aka the guy who never slumps.
Seriously, I don’t mean to sound homerish, but how many players can you name that are more complete? However you want to look at it, AVG, HR, SBs, OPS, WAR, there just aren’t that many players who do as many things as Wright does and do them well.
by Meddler on Apr 29, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I can do the same.
David is not a great defensive 3B. He did not deserve those 2 GGs, but they were really just compensatory for not voting for him for MVP IMO. He does not have even an average arm at 3B. He’s a slow starter (again, check his April numbers and see this is par the course for him). I agree that winning the World Series is the overall goal, and I highly doubt David will even approach Jeter’s postseason success…few do. But in Jeter’s long career, he has had 3 truly outstanding seasons, 1998, 1999, and 2006. However, David has already, at age 26, had two years in that range, 2007 and 2008. But the real question is, why would you troll on another team’s site and make accusatory and obnoxious comments, especially a rivals? That is worse than being a homer. That’s just being an asshole. I mean, really.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say David has an above average arm
He just seems to struggle to control it.
by Gina on Apr 29, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a statistician by trade and still keep citing BA.
If you’re right, whoever pays you to analyze statistics. . . I hope he has trouble sleeping at night.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
with very little of this post. Maybe world peace is possible.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the general sentiment.
But when you make a fake account name, troll on a rival team’s site, and post your own homeristic arguments while accusing others of the same…I just can’t respect that.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really love the word "homeristic"
…but at first I misread it as “homoerotic.” Which added even more greatly to my enjoyment of this thread.
by anonymous on Apr 29, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
ha.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’m a reasonable and realistic fan"
You haven’t shown that yet.
and harder on the Yanks than I am on the Mets
Even if that was true, it wouldn’t make you reasonable or realistic. It would make your opinion biased towards a negative view of the Yankees. Which is still: A) not reasonable and B) not objective.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Wright
but I think “Scotty” is a first ballot HOFer
by Joamiq on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I just now noticed it
but I have a really funny story related to this fanpost. Turns out, Scotty, I got this time machine last week, went into the future to read your fanpost, and went back in time and wrote the response. I’m shopping the script to the movie version of this story to studios now. Demitri Martin will play me. Scott Hatteberg will play Scotty.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Apr 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I just spent like 15 minutes reading this thread
but with 150+ comments I couldn’t resist. Some observations:
1. Trolling at its finest
2. Scotty’s job title is “statistician?” Really? Reallllly?
3. Scotty, read this
by James Kannengieser on Apr 29, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still laughing at his name being the post title.
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From Gina on AIM (had to share it):
[Gina] (5:07:23 PM): lol
[Gina] (5:07:42 PM): i bet he’;s from yahoo
[Gina] (5:07:43 PM): damn yahoo
by philkid3 on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I finally got around to reading this dumb thread
and I have observed that through some process, probably natural selection, new, more advanced trolls seem to be appearing. Scottyr seems to represent a sort of “super-troll” who is just irrational enough to anger everyone, but level-headed and uses proper capitalization, so as to keep inciting responses.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is frustrating.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scotty?
This Scotty is better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrOfSxTG7U
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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