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Amazin' Avenue Community Guidelines

As Sam was kind enough to point out, Amazin' Avenue was graced by its one millionth visitor the other day. It's a big fancy number and a great milestone for the site, and I'm very proud of us, writers and readers alike, for collectively having achieved it. It's especially gratifying to have built such a strong community around higher-brow baseball discussion, particularly as the mainstream media careens recklessly in the other direction. So, kudos to everyone for making it this far.

As others have surely pointed out (here, for example), this community has grown considerably in recent months (Exhibit A). There are two significant reasons for the growth. First, Sam, James and Joe came aboard and really helped elevate the quality and quantity of the writing here. I ran the show pretty much on my own for the first three-plus years and, while I had built a modest but devoted following, the addition of these three great writers have, at least in my opinion, lifted the site from "merely good" to "simply great". The best part is that they aren't just knowledgeable Mets fans and terrific writers, but they really do care as much about the site and the community as I do, which makes them a perfect fit for Amazin' Avenue.

Secondly, back in February SB Nation entered into a distribution partnership with Yahoo! Sports, whereby our content would be fed into their baseball (and football, etc.) pages, providing additional coverage to their readers and, in return, a considerable influx of new readership to our sites. The increased readership has had its benefits as well as its drawbacks. Many of the new community members have contributed substantially to the betterment of the site, posting thoughtful comments and submitting quality FanPosts. The gamethreads have grown in popularity and vibrance (and cursing, of late), and the swag contest has had more participation than ever.

On the other hand, some of the newer members don't seem to get what we're doing here, so we end up with a smattering of cretinous Scotties posting inane rubbish like this. Amazin' Avenue is an open forum, but it is not talk radio and it is not an internet message board. We hold ourselves and each other to higher standards of discourse here. Making obtuse claims like "David Wright has no heart" or "Carlos Beltran isn't clutch" may fly elsewhere, but here they will be met with skepticism and, in particularly egregious instances, outright mockery and verbal flogging.

Many other sites have posted community guidelines to keep things in check and, while I have mostly avoided doing something similar in the past, we've probably reached the point where we can no longer go without. We will add to these as necessary.

DO

  • Rely on fact-based analysis. This is not a stats-first site, it's a facts-first site. Intellectual honesty means being accountable for your assertions, so if you're going to argue a point you better be sure you have the evidence to support it.
  • Be emotional in the gamethreads, but don't check your rationality at the door. We all get caught up in the moment, but do try to be insightful if at all possible.
  • Ask questions. If you don't understand something, ask questions. If you don't believe what someone is saying, ask questions. If you simply want to continue (or start) a discussion, ask questions. Oftentimes, a straight comment won't elicit a response, but that same comment with a trailing question (like, "What do you guys think?" or "Are there any recent examples of this?") can keep a dying conversation rolling.
  • Treat others with respect if they have earned it. Not everyone deserves your respect, particularly Scotties and other assorted ne'er-do-wells.

DO NOT

  • Discuss politics or religion, period. There are lots of places on the internets to discuss these things so there should be no need for it here. You may think that everyone here agrees with you about something but I guarantee you that they do not.
  • Rely on tired baseball platitudes to make your point. If your comment/FanPost is indistinguishable from a random Joe Morgan Q&A (i.e. sub-moronic drivel) do yourself and everyone else a favor by not posting it.
  • Post links to your own blog/site in the FanShots, unless you contribute something editorially (and usefully so) to the post as well. FanShots are for linking to relevant articles, images, videos, etc. that the rest of the community will find interesting; they are not intended to be free advertising for your website.
  • Post gigantic pictures or malformed links in the comments. Lookout Landing has a terrific guide on links and pics, so read it and follow it.

Our policy here has never been one of pro-banning. Other sites govern differently, but I've always trusted the community to police itself. Those who contribute meaningfully to the discourse are respected by others and are made to feel welcome here. Those who contribute nothing of substance are quickly marginalized and forgotten. I think we all want it to remain this way, but if it can't then we won't hesitate to move towards a policy of more liberal cleansing of unwanted elements.

So, congrats and thanks to all who have helped bring the site to this point, and here's to a bigger, better and brighter Amazin' Avenue in the weeks, months and years to come.

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I feel honored

that you used “Scotties” not once, but twice. I like to think I’m helping to create a meme that no one outside of people who have read this website in the last two days will understand.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

you know what they say:

Forward an fayaka. Manacle an den go saka.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

Here’s me asking a question — what’s a Scotty? I thought this had something to do with the great John Hodgman’s campaign against Scottie dogs, which bothers me as a fan of John Hodgman and friend to my late, massive-headed Scottie dog.

by TedBerg on May 1, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something of the moment

inspired by the post John linked to. It’ll fade soon enough.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember who it was

John Patterson, maybe, but somebody posted the information on how to make pictures smaller in the game thread yesterday which was immensely helpful. I will now keep my pictures smaller, although I make no apologies for my enormous “shipment of fail” picture in the Scotty thread – he deserved it.

by cjmulrain on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats guys

You should be proud of yourselves, there’s a lot of crap on the internet, this site is just the opposite.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 1, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Congrats, Eric.

AA has only gotten better every year.

Here’s to High Standards! And to policing ourselves.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

And while we're at it

Let’s link up the comment guidelines (because anything less would be uncivilized).

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I love this site.

And I would never do anything to disgrace it.

Now, let’s go destroy those Phillies! I’d like a good birthday weekend present from the Mets.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on May 1, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I asked that the other day

and I noticed yesterday or the day before that he’s been posting frequently on the Nationals blog. If you’re gonna ditch the Mets, shouldn’t you at least go up in the baseball world?

by cjmulrain on May 1, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He posted a comment a while back

that just said “adios blog” and I don’t think he’s been here since.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

really? that blows

someone else is going to have to pick up the slack and post pics from icantbelieveiatethat.com or whatever it was.

the comments have defintiley less enthused since his departure.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on May 1, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been trying.

But it’s just not the same.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He lives in DC right?

He’s always been a Nats fan.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 1, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said

Here’s to rationality.

by Reg Dunlop on May 1, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions  

love this
we won’t hesitate to move towards a policy of more liberal cleansing of unwanted elements

how stalinesque

by englishgrey on May 1, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

haha

awesome.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on May 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen.

And congratulations!

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on May 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you afraid AA will turn into this?

Actual post from the WFAN message boards (don’t ask what I was doing there):

WE HAVE LIFTOFF!
By The Yankee Legend on 05/01/2009 6:41AM
New York’s team, THE NEW YORK YANKEES, are on their way, led by Star Captain Derek Jeter. The New York’s finest will boldly go where no man has gone before. Live long and prosper and WIN!

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 1, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Umm

I will confess admiration for the proper spelling and punctuation in that post.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

AA back when it was just eric:

merely good? or merelyest good?

i also just want to point out that some of the crappiest fan shots have been the most fun (ie, paperman – i have that saved as a word file and read it every day at work to get pumped up before looking at spread sheets all day).

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on May 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

refresh my memory

Was paperman the HELLO HELLO MR WILPON one?

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on May 1, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

classic.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

instant classic, even

That’s right around the time I started actively commenting, I think. I was just lingering for a while first, bein’ a creep.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on May 1, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, good times.

But see, a paperman is a lower level tier troll than a Scotty. A Scotty has good grammar and is willing to defend his argument. A paperman is just an idiot.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

LETS GET MANNY!!!!!

Oh man, I just went back and read that one (well, attempted to read it). I was in tears laughing so hard at the responses, particularly the one about seeing a sailboat in paperman’s post.

And yes, why the heck isn’t Lou around anymore? I liked the energy he brought to the game threads.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on May 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

My best guess,

based on his later comments in game threads and what not, is that he was not a fan of the enforced guidelines around here. We’re too stodgy, I guess? Just my hunch.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 1, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

weird

i remember people giving him shit about the images a while ago, but i don’t recall anyone having a problem with him recently. i guess these official guidelines are not going to entice him back then.

by englishgrey on May 1, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I totally agree with that. He’s sometimes impulsive and slightly annoying, but the energy he brought to the game threads was great.

by Prince on May 1, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats to Eric and everyone!

This site is awesome. I really enjoy coming here just about every day to talk about a team which I care about so much. Here are a couple of pledges for the future:

- I promise to use more relevant statistical information. I’ll never be as adept with stats as some of you guys, but it’s hypocritical to make fun of the “clutch” school of thought when all I usually bring up is AVG/OBP/ERA/WHIP.
- I promise to post stuff to FanShots more often. It’s a little alarming to see that I’ve only made 2 posts since (re)joining AA last year. Contributing to a site involves much more than just discussion.
-I promise to never talk about politics again. I’m a polysci major, and a rather fervent believer of a certain ideology. Sometimes I say unnecessary things which just come out of my mouth/keyboard. But it won’t happen again.

Having said that, Let’s Go Mets!!!

by Prince on May 1, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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