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Git 'Er Done: Mets 2, Reds 1

Opening Day, the weather stunk, the clutch hitting was terrible, Johan Santana had some control problems early on, but it was still awesome, awesome, awesome. Daniel Murphy drove in both Mets runs, one with a homerun and the other with a groundout.

The Mets had a lot of baserunners but few big hits, leaving twelve on base throughout the game. David Wright and Carlos Delgado reached base three times apiece; Carlos Beltran, Jose Reyes and Ryan Church each reached twice. They couldn't come up with clutch hits when they needed them, but they didn't need 'em because...

The bullpen was great! Sean Green, J.J. Putz and Francisco Rodriguez combined to pitch 3.1 hitless innings, allowing just a walk and striking out two. It won't always be this smooth, but this was exactly what we were all imagining when the Mets remodeled the bullpen this winter. For at least one day, things worked out as planned.

Tomorrow is the traditional super-lame off-day following the first game of the season, so pffft. Enjoy this one for another day, I guess.

Big winners: Francisco Rodriguez, +21.3% WPA, Sean Green +17.1% WPA, J.J. Putz, +14.7% WPA
Big losers: Brian Schneider, -19.5% WPA, Carlos Beltran, -5.4% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Putz gets Phillips to ground out in the 8th, +15.2% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Votto single in sixth, -16.4% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +67.0%
Total batter WPA: -17.0%
GWRBI!: Daniel Murphy


Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by Sokojoe; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Name # of Posts
Sokojoe 56
future 50
itsmetsforme 49
LOUtheMETSfan 49
Smoltz's Beard 49
cjmulrain 47
Prince 45
Greenpoint Ian 45
Major 43
Gina 41
ZaBlanc 40
pingel 35
gogomets 33
JoshNY 32
Simons 28
englishgrey 24
Endys Game 24
wrightHOF 23
njmetfan12 19
hotspur 17
DoctorK16 17
AyatollahTLC 15
JamesK 14
jaronson5 12
TBlz 10
kingcritical 9
the stork 8
MetsfaninVA 8
Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright 7
goth brooks 7
IanB in MD 7
kendynamo 6
Reg Dunlop 4
Mount17 3
jasondg 3
Phildo 3
metsman07 2
foos05 2
BlackOps 2
metsjetsnets 1
yellomellojello 1
squid92 1
samt 1
Doc Manhattan 1
R_Adragna 1

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a suggestion for Eric

Given that we had over 900 posts in the game thread (and quite the roll call of posters), maybe you should break the game threads into separate posts? A lot of the SB Nation blogs have part I, II, III, etc. for each game, and it makes for easier navigation of the game thread.

Just my $.02

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 6, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

A lot of sites do that to combat the slowness of the large posts, but I personally find it obnoxious to navigate to different posts to read the whole dialogue. If most folks feel differently we can definitely try it, but my personal feeling is that it’s worse, not better, to have multiple gamethread posts.

by Eric Simon on Apr 6, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

always more posters on opening day than normal anyway

by DoctorK16 on Apr 6, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the current set-up

Unless, of course, this sort of traffic maintains. My work computer was obscenely slow, which I suppose was fine because it forced me to concentrate on work.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 6, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so it appears I'm in the minority

That’s cool. I just thought I’d throw the suggestion out there.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 6, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with the way things are.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Apr 6, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems to be the standard througout SB Nation

Breaking up after ‘so many’ posts, but it is at the discretion of the HNIC.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 6, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on another note

I love that 3 members of the bullpen had the 3 highest WPA for the game. Man, do I want to see that a lot this season.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 6, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I got close to the top and I didn’t even post the last three innings because my wife demanded help with making lunch (the nerve of her :).)

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Apr 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I came in at the top of the 6th and finished darn near the top too

What I provide with numerous posts I usually lack in substantive commentary. My strength is gifs.

…Though, some might argue that.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 6, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always hated the off-day after opening day. It’s better with a mets win though. That was excruciating a few years back when Looper did what Looper do in cincin.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CC

looks a little ruff today

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 6, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was even worse last year on opening Day

I’m excited to see Yankees fans go crazy and call for McNamee to be fired though. And if we’re lucky Hank will tirade or something.

by Gina on Apr 6, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 BB 0 K

That ain’t gonna get it done. CC was awful last April, but he was striking people out. If he’s not missing bats, that’s a really bad sign.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 6, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one

Who thought that fan came over the fence to get that ball from Damon?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Apr 6, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an interesting point

I hadn’t even thought to look at that. If that continues over a few more games that might actually be a cause for concern.

by Gina on Apr 6, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm super pissed

I’m going to be at my grandparents house in Asheville North Carolina and they have extra innings, BUT since for some reason the reds are in their market I won’t be able to see any of the games.

by Gina on Apr 6, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

that’s really stupid. are there really any reds fans in NC? i would guess that the carolinas would be mostly braves fans.

by englishgrey on Apr 6, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's weird

The vast majority of North Carolina is considered part of the baltimore/nats market. There’s just a small part thats atlanta, baltimore, nats, reds.

by Gina on Apr 6, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blackouts are stupid

I was playing with the mlb.tv trying to find out how far I’d have to move to get out of the Mets’ zone.

Buffalo, NY is in the Mets, Yanks, Pirates, AND Indians zones. But NOT Toronto’s, which is like 40 miles away as the crow flies.

In conclusion and in summary, Selig is a jerk.

The Nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by hotspur on Apr 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

I didn’t even notice that when I looked at the zone map before. I imagine it is because the Blue Jays are broadcast on TSN, CBC and Rogers, none of which (I believe) are available in the States. Still, weird.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 6, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously, I mean

wouldn’t you think someone would be like “Bud, you’re on camera, everyone sees you picking your nose, can’t you either use a handkerchief or wait until you’re in private?”

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hee

love me some Tim Calhoun

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gina, I have a question about that package?

Is it Direct TV or COMCAST? My DTV package used to include the SNY channel. If the Nats and Mets were on (I live in DC) the game would be blacked out on the Extra Innings package, but I could watch it on SNY.

IMO, trying to comprehend the blackout contract is like trying to comprehend the federal bailout package.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 6, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's cox actually

And I’m pretty sure they don’t get SNY.

by Gina on Apr 6, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just read this Steve Phillips gem

Source

Discussing his feelings about defensive metrics, and specifically any metric that says anything bad about Captain Calm Eyes, The Face Of Baseball, Derek “Have You Taken My Ford Challenge?” Jeter:

“Because the statistics don’t match what my eyes say, it makes me mistrust the veracity of the system.”

And he was our GM for HOW LONG?

by JoshNY on Apr 6, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the funny thing about that

He was the GM when the 1999 Mets had one of the greatest infield defenses ever.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 6, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad I watched SNY for the portion of the game I saw today

ESPN’s announcers generally trend toward the lower end of mediocrity.

I also loved the other Phillips gem on that Yahoo page, that Ryan Howard needs to try to bat to contact with two strikes like Japanese and Korean players. Because, you know, Ryan Howard is more valuable as a Slappy McSingleton-type instead of a 35 homers after two strikes in the count-type.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 6, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I learned from suttcliffe today:

1) Jim Hendry is a “great” GM because he signed Soriano and Derosa.
2) Aramis Ramirez is underrated, because Billy Williams used the word “clutch” to describe him.
3) A lot of players on both side (cubs and stros) learned a lot of things from a lot of older players and coaches. To list them would take my entire night.
4) The cubs bullpen must be better this year because Jeff Smarjida was a great wide receiver and was sent to the minors. This came a couple innings before Kevin Gregg came in to close things out (marmol isn’t the closer, really?).

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 6, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

marmol is wasted as a closer

much more valuable coming in with guys on base

by gogomets on Apr 6, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't aware sutcliffe said anything about marmol

pretty sure hotchip was commenting on marmol not being the closer—was responding to him.

by gogomets on Apr 7, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is being a WR better or worse than being a punter?

I miss FJM and how they made fun of Erstad on a weekly basis.

The Nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by hotspur on Apr 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unlike punters, WRs actually take a fair share of physical abuse

so if toughness actually makes one a better baseball player (which I suppose is at least debatable), then I would think Samadajarijajzia would have the edge in that department. I thought that was always the most laughable thing about the over-the-top praise Erstad got for being a punter: a punter gets hit like ten times a YEAR, tops. certainly never in practice.

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me disagree a bit

The bulldog (from a " column" that picked the mets to take the east) on the Phils:

“At first glance, their defense is improved with Raul Ibanez in left field in place of Pat Burrell. Defense has become a more important part of baseball now that the sport is turning the page on the steroids era.”
“And, of course, there is Chase Utley. He is like the rising sun. He’s always going to be there. He
is just amazing. "

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 7, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just threw up in my mouth
"And, of course, there is Chase Utley. He is like the rising sun. He’s always going to be there. He
is just amazing. "

Where on earth did he come up with that flowery stuff? Regardless, I enjoy listening to him as opposed to Steve “I’ll get on my knees and blow for those patriots who want to play for their country in the WBC” Phillips.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK Lou, we get it

you don’t like the WBC. isn’t it time to move on yet?

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But thats like being the fastest guy at a fat camp.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am so over anything Steve Phillips has to say.

I just plan on ignoring him. Especially after the WBC.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it was a win, but I couldn’t help be see a few things that made me nervous:

1 – Green got 4 outs, but two of those outs were absolute rockets.
2 – Manuel taking Johan out after 99 pitches with Edwin Encarnation coming up? I know EE hits Johan well but come on Jerry grow a pair.
3 – If we continue to use the bullpen so much, much like it was over used last year, won’t we just run into the same problems? It seemed like Heilman, Pedro2 Show and Wags all seemed to be run into the ground. Maybe if we let the starter go a little longer, the bullpen guys would have more left in the tank down the stretch.
4 – Schneider, Castillo, pitcher looks like 1-2-3 inning to me every time.

Oh well it was a nice win, so I won’t dwell on this stuff.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget this one:

20 LOB? I’m sorry, for those people out there providing the argument that ‘at least we are getting runners on’…What good does that do if you can’t bring them in?

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a softball Lou

Getting runners on is a better indicator for future success than a team who “knows” how to bunch hits and scores 2 runs on 3 hits and no BBs.

by Sokojoe on Apr 7, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah!

I’m not swallowin’ that stuff brother. Future success? This along with MLOBISP is a trend with the Mets that dates back to last year and even this year in spring training. I can’t wait to start hearing the droves of people who start griping about the numbers of people we leave on base. It’s going to be interesting.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this the perception of the Mets being unclutch) is related to how the Mets roster is structured.

Hear me out.
It’s safe to say that the New York Mets have 3 of the 10 best offensive players in the NL, easily. That puts them in a league of their own, as you could easily make a case that no other NL team has even two (although, I’d personally put the Cards and consider the Dodgers). So, why aren’t they leading the league in runs by a large margin? Supporting cast.
As we all know, baseball is a game of failure. More often than not, when a player gets up to the plate, he will not even get on base. But when 3 or 4 of your players provide the large majority of your offense, there will be many, many games when guys are left on base all day. Why? Wright, Reyes, and Beltran can’t get it done every time, statistically speaking. Even if you pulled a Carlos Voltron and combined them, their average would not certify success getting a hit. So when those three have an off day or even an off week, the offense goes dark, and fast. No lineup, I think, in baseball is more top heavy than the Mets.
This is why guys like Delgado, Murphy and Church really need to excel this year. League average production from Castillo would be unexpected and pleasing, but I’m not counting on it. Schneider is who he is- a defensive minded catcher who has a competent enough bat to justify starting. But our middle of the order producers really, really need to come through…and based on today, I think that’s a strong possibility.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why aren't they leading the league in runs by a large margin?

Well, it’s only been one game, so let’s not write it off just yet.

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I meant, haha.

Last year, that is.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if we even had just ml average players

At every other position we’d probably be a mid 90s win team at worst. And most analyis seems to agree we’re the most top heavy team in baseball.

by Gina on Apr 7, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my solution would be to order Scheider to crowd the plate

in an effort to get hit by a pitch as much as possible.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 7, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really are a subscriber to schadenfrede aren't you? :-)

Question, do you live in Agoura Hills / Thousand Oaks?

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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just checked out your web site.

Saw the Fonzie picture and laughed so hard I farted.

" YES! BASEBALL IS BACK! YES! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 7, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that's called

pulling a Dorn ala Major League II

by Sokojoe on Apr 7, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded.

The motion carries.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was opening day

no use having Santana throw 100+ pitches. I guarantee you that in a month, Manuel would leave Santana in in a similar situation.

by cjmulrain on Apr 7, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was at 99 pitches. Throwing even 10 more to get out of the inning would have made his arm fall off in August? Cut me a break. Nothing pisses me off more then managers babying their pitchers because they are afraid to let them throw 5-10 more pitches.

Plus consider this: those pitches had to be thrown, whether it was by Santana or Green, who are you more comfortable with doing the job? Also, Green/Putz/K-Rod are going to be leaned on pretty heavily this year, the less innings they get burdened with this year the better they are going to be. It seems like managers are always scared to have the starter throw a few extra pitches, but will dump extra innings on relievers with out a second thought.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 7, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Green did a good job, though.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got 4 outs and two of those were rockets.
If I said something like, “Beltran looks like he is struggling”, one of you would say well his line-drive rate is 50% so not really.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 7, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry

Seems to know what he’s doing. It was the first game of the year, anyone think that he may have wanted to test the bullpen in a situation they will most certainly be in later on. Test their resolve, their consistency, their control.
A better mover could not have been made by Mr. Jerry M.

by EMSfan9 on Apr 7, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree with you and I agree with Jerry's decision to take Santana out

I just don’t think it’s sound logic to say “it was a good move because Green did a good job”

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it sort of is.

I mean, it isn’t good logic to put him in and HOPE he does a good job. But I think Jerry knew Green would get it done, so in that regard, it IS good logic.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Knew" or "expected"?

I think Jerry expects that the guys that come out of the bullpen will get the job done, but I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to say that he knows the guys in the bullpen will come out and pitch well. All sorts of crazy shit can happen.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

I mean, you can say that Jerry made a good move because it was reasonable of him to expect that Green would get the job done. On the other hand, if we still had Schoeneweis and Jerry had used him, then that would not be a reasonable belief, and the decision to use him would be a bad one even if Beltran made a highlight-reel catch to rob Encarnacion of a HR and thus Show “got the job done”.

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Taking Santana out there: bad move.
Putting Green in there: good move.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

I’m not saying that Santana should have gone longer because he is Santana and is paid like a great pitcher so he needs to throw, 753 pitches a games. I’m just saying that like starters who get over 100 pitches a game Jerry needs to also think about conserving his late inning guys, they get worn down also. Clearly yesterday was an instance where those guys should have been in the game, I just hope that he has enough sense to rest them (that includes not even letting them warm up) when he doesn’t have to. Letting a starter throw 10 to 15 more pitches in some games can allow him to do that.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is it was the first game.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that I am making a big deal out of nothing but, but I think that it has to be something in the back of Jerry’s mind.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

opening day

in bad weather, and he’d thrown 99 pitches, and there were concerns about the health of his elbow not too long ago, and it was against a hitter he’d had trouble with in the past.

by JoshNY on Apr 7, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

I’m no fan of babying pitchers, and I wish the game was like it was in the 60’s, but the fact is it’s not, and there’s no sense pushing Santana at this point in the season.

by cjmulrain on Apr 7, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my feeling, too.

I think the cold weather had as much to do with the hook as anything else. I won’t worry about it unless Jerry develops a pattern of pulling his starters too quickly.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 7, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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