Lowe Point Applesauce
by Joe Budd on May 12, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
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PrintOuch. That one was ugly. The one that got away shutting down the Mets for 6+ innings while the one we're stuck with is in Florida sitting around.
Meet the Mets
Carlos Delgado was out of last night's lineup with his sore hip acting up again. He will miss tonight's game as well and possibly tomorrow. The New York Times doesn't know what to call the injury, not that it matters since it might affect the rest of his season.
Tim Redding made his second AAA start last night for Buffalo, going 7 innings and allowing 3 runs.
Sam has a great rant about last night, which was followed up by NY Sports Dog's blasting of Jerry Manuel's tactical abilities.
Mike Silva is disappointed in Jose Reyes and David Wright's not-greatness.
The Mets offered Derek Lowe the same contract offer as they wound up signing Oliver Perez for.
Shea's gravestone is now in place.
Around the NL East
As the Braves threw the should-have been Met out on the pitching mound last night, they are preparing to have the old former Met throw some simulated innings in the minors.
Nationals third baseman Ryan Zimmerman now has a 29 game hitting streak, singling in his first AB of Washington's 11-7 loss to San Francisco. The Giant win was also the 298th for Randy Johnson. Bad news for the Nationals, potential all-star Lastings Milledge broke his finger while playing for AAA Syracuse.
The Florida Marlins sent Cameron Maybin down to the minors. Maybin was hitting .202 this season.
In Philadelphia news, Ryan Howard is now a "ballplayer". Kyle Kendrick, however, is not.
Around MLB
A juicy controversy is brewing in the Dodger/Giant rivalry. Giant closer Brian Wilson is angry at Dodger Casey Blake for mocking his save celebration, which also happens to have religious and family meaning. Good stuff.
MLB found elevated testosterone levels in Manny's urine, which helped lead to the suspension.
The White Sox have called up Jimmy Gobble. No real news here, but really, what better to write about than a guy named Gobble?
Brian Cashman is in no rush to bring back Yankee starter Chien-Ming Wang.
For those of you who can stand listening to Mike & Mike without Roger Clemens, did any of you catch the interview this morning? Should I care about it?
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If I’m reading Mike Silva correctly, he is saying that neither Jose nor David are “great” baseball players because they fail to act correctly 100% of the time. Gotcha.
(In no way should this be constituted as approval of Jose’s egregious error in the seventh inning last night but, seriously, I’m convinced some Mets fans will never be happy until everyone is hitting 1.000 and playing with robot-like efficiency in the field).
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 12, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
Mike Silva is now officially on my idiot list.
That was his third strike for me.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
brian wilson v casey blake
what a fun/pathetic pissing match. blake may have committed a ‘classless’ act, but if wilson’s deceased father and his faith are such a sacred, personal and private thing to him, why does he make an overt display of showing it off whenever he preforms well in his job? its not like i make an offering the flying spegehtti monster and my dead dog Zeena whenever I hand in a particulalry well researched report here at work. and finish spell checking and…. VICTORY DANCE!
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
agreed
If you choose to do some over-the-top celebration, be prepared to have it thrown in your face when you fail. Nobody gives a crap why you do it. That’s the way it works.
Aubrey Huff did the same thing to Joba the other day after a 3-run bomb. Very funny
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
From the article:
The incident so upset Wilson that he wouldn’t speak to reporters about it Sunday and had to be consoled by teammates.
Really? A guy mocked your save dance and you’re inconsolable? Pro athletes really need to get over themselves.
by James Kannengieser on May 12, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
given the significance of the gesture, i could understand him being upset
but if pitchers are going to show up batters when they strike them out or record a save, then they better be prepared to be mocked when a batter takes them deep. at least joba said huff had the right to mock him after hitting a dinger.
by englishgrey on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
OK Bojudd, admit it
You put news about “Gobble” and “Wang” back-to-back on purpose.
Also, Silva is an idiot.
AGH, I let myself get suckered into reading Metsblargh comments again.
It actually makes me a little sad
I won’t tell anyone how they should love the team. Everyone has their own list of passions. I can’t tell every oldschool fan to study SABR. I can’t tell another fan that streaks aren’t caused by heart if that’s the baseball narrative they follow. I can’t tell my fellows to take comfort in the fact that everyone makes mistakes, even David Wright, if they base their heros on the notion of perfection. I can’t tell another fan not to criticize.
We’re all fans of the same team for different reasons. We celebrate our victories together and we commiserate over our defeats. We analyze and we argue.
But something is out of hand on that website. The amount of fingerpointing and self-defeating ranting that goes on at MetsBlog.com is just sad. The hatred is too often a desire for failure. I can’t be proud of that kind of fan.
by TheBigStapler on May 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
out of hand
Spot on. It’s like it’s a mets site for bipolar people (no offense to actual bipolar people.) Which is why it’s so depressing that Cerrone has become the voice of “the fans” on SNY.
It kind of fits that he's the voice of "the fans"
as I think his interests and feelings about the game mirror that of most of the fanbase. Whereas if someone here had that job, they’d be representing the 10% (estimate) of the fanbase that’s still rational.
by James Kannengieser on May 12, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
As awful as the Lowe/Perez ordeal was
I think we might end up regretting not bringing in some kind of power insurance for Delgado more.
SIGN MANNY
oh…wait.
Honestly, I know we all roundly criticized the deal and were happy when Omar got the rug pulled out from under him, but Raul Ibanez would have been nice to have the past month. Take him off the Phillies and put him on the Mets and we probably have a 4 to 5 game lead on the Phillies right now, if not more. That said, I still think that signing will end up being a net loss for the Phillies. He’s just having a great first month and a half.
I wanted them to sign Burrel
and I’m still not completely sure why we never even seemed to show any interest at all in Burrel, especially considering how cheaply he signed for.
Too busy locking up
Perez, Cora, Redding, Sullivan, Kielty, et al.
Listen, all the guys at Mama’s of Corona told Omar we needed to fix the bullpen, and he did. Job well done.
burrell been downright awful this season
.250/.349/.315
he’s sure to improve, but i’d rather have murphy in left right now
Right now
but like you said he’s bound to improve. Plus with Delgado’s injury we would have had a spot for Murphy anyway.
Murphy is hitting into a lot of tough luck
I’m beginning to think Murphy will live up to his highest (90+ percentile) projections. He looks much better in the field already and he has a very covetable ability. He has very good strike zone judgment and can draw walks without striking out.
Usually, low K hitters are Paul LoDuca/Endy Chavez types who hack too much to get into deep counts and don’t draw walks. A guy like Murphy, who is either walking or hitting, is a good bet to become a valuable player. His LD% is deceptively low, IMO, because he hits a lot of low liners that are being classified as grounders, and he hits a lot of low ground balls.
The only issue is power. I still see him as a gap hitter with 15-25 HR power and about 40 doubles. I’m putting the over/under at .365 for his OBP and .830 for his power with the over-under for fielding from this point forward as dead average.
He’ll be valuable player, and I think he can cut it at short. Bull on Murphy.
And Silva is an idiot.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Should be
he hits a lot of hard ground balls.
He should bat .270 on his grounders and the usual .750 on his LDs. He has just enough pop to bat about ,230 on Flys Balls and he doesn’t K much. I think he’ll be a valuable role player for a long while, which is nice to have.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Re: Mike and Mike
I missed the majority of the clemens thing but he started out in the same defiant fashion. Also, in the beginning, he was “interrupted” by a little kid, asking him to take him to school. I was under the impression that he had older kids, so I was confused as to why a little kid would be bothering him. Although I am not one for conspriacy theories, I am almost positive it was just to ploy to make him an everyday man to make him more beliveable. So, take that for what its worth.
Too cynical
He has young kids — his oldest is 22, and there are three others.
ahh thanks
I knew he had one in the astros organization, another in the teens area but I didn’t know about the other.
Tell me if I'm crazy, guys.
Alright, so we all know Delgado’s getting older. He’s still quite a productive hitter, but he really is reaching the point where he can’t play in the field every day. So…do we shop him before the deadline? I mean, he could be useful for a team (like the Red Sox, now that Ortiz sucks, and they have a real surplus of rotation worthy starters) that may need a productive DH, and we could get back pitching or a top flight OF in return. I hope/expect our pitching will be good enough that we can get the OF, but I’m not sure who we’d trade for that would be available (maybe Holliday on the A’s?)
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
If we trade Delgado
First of all, I am not a fan of losing the guy but if it will better the team…go for it. But, if we do trade the slugger we need to find/get more pop from somewhere. Tatis is not the answer at first. Nick Evans could get brought up if Delgado goes on the DL…we can test run him that way. Losing Delgado for a long period of time will give us two hitters with 25+ home run power. David Wright and Carlos Beltran. I think we ride Delgado out this season and move on after.
That's what I'm saying.
We don’t do it if we can’t get a middle of the order type of hitter as well. But I mean, if we can make two different deals…
For example: Delgado for Brad Penny+prospects, Prospects+Church+Feliciano for ______(Atkins? Holliday?)
If we could pull off these deals, I say we have to do it.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
It's not crazy
It’s just not a good win-now move. Nobody is going to trade someone who could help the team now for Delgado. If Delgado can wait one more year before falling off a cliff, he will be essential to our team scoring runs. If he does fall off the cliff this year we will get nothing, and I wouldn’t trade Julio Lugo for Delgado at this point. The Sox are the best candidate, and we would probably have to take David Ortiz if we wanted anything good from them.
Delgado for Ortiz and 2 B-B+ prospects is doable; it will probably hurt us in 2008.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
2009, you mean?
I’m not suggesting trade him independently. I say we trade for a middle of the order bat first, then trade Delgado for pitching+prospects.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
However, remember this is all hypothetical.
Just saying if we CAN do it, it helps us long term and probably short term too.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
So we trade an aging superstar and prospects for a bat and prospects?
It’s doable if you really work it. I’m all for selling “high” on Castillo if any team is dumb enough to want him now. But we would have to part with significant prospects for a Middle Infield bat who can really help us. If anything, we would be (again) going for win-now in trading our system guys for a player and then moving Delgado to replenish the system. Sensible, but then what do we do with 1st Base and/or Left? Tatis?
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Well, I never said trade Castillo.
One of our surplus of outfield bats, prospects, and an impact reliever should give us a 1B or LF bat with probably slightly less production than Delgado but much less injury prone. And then trade Delgado for pitching+prospects. Done!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
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