Free Jon Niese
The Mets probably did need another reliever to rest their beleaguered bullpen. For that reason, calling up Nelson Figueroa makes some sense, in the abstract at least. Swapping Jon Niese for Figueroa straight up, however, does not, and reflects poorly on the organizations ability to evaluate pitchers. Assuming that Figgy will either make the rotation or get sent down shortly for Tim Redding, why not just demote or release Livan Hernandez?
Well the probable answer lies in ERA. Livan Hernandez sports an unspectacular, yet not altogether embarrassing 5.08 mark. Niese, on the other hand, has a 6.55 ERA in AAA Buffalo. Seems pretty simple to most people: Niese has potential but needs more seasoning. This situation, however, is a near-perfect example of why ERA is not a good statistic. Below are the important criterion for evaluating pitchers, as per USSM's "Evaluating Pitcher Talent" guide. Many of you may already know this stuff, but it's important.
BB% (Walks per Total Batters Faced) does a nice job evaluating how often a pitcher throws the ball in the strike zone. The average walkrate is 8% for a major league pitcher, though the DH makes the AL a higher walk league than the NL. Anything under 5% is tremendous, and anything over 11% is a problem. The Hardball Times publishes BB% and K% in a slightly different manner, calling it BB/G or K/G to make it scale more like the per nine innings numbers people are used to seeing. BB/G (and BB%, its derivitive) is more effective than BB/9 because it accounts for the actual amount of batters faced rather than using a proxy like innings pitched. It’s just more accurate.
K% (Strikeouts per Total Batters Faced) does a decent job evaluating how often a pitcher induces swings and misses or called strikes. 16% is league average, with 20% being terrific and 12% being a problem.
GB% (Groundballs per Balls In Play) does a very good job of telling us how often a pitcher induces a groundball. 42% is league average, and anything over 50% is terrific, with the best sinkerball pitchers posting rates in the 60-65% range, while anything below 35% can be a problem if its not offset with a high strikeout rate.
LD% (Line Drives per Balls In Play) does a very good job of telling us how often a pitcher gives up line drives. 20% is league average, 17% is good, and 23% is a serious problem. Because of the way line drives have been scored by Baseball Info Solutions the past couple of years, this number is hard to use for year to year analysis, and right now, it’s not a very effective tool. We don’t use it very often.
FB% (Flyballs per Balls In Play) does a very good job of telling us how often a pitcher gives up flyballs that leave the infield, and is basically the corollary to GB%. 36% is league average, while 32% is good and 40% could be a problem.
Now apply those benchmarks to Niese's performance at two levels this year:
| Level | K% | BB% | GB% | LD% | FB% | tRA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AAA | 23.59% | 7.55% | 53.5% | 15.5% | 22.5% | 3.13 |
| ML | 21.28% | 4.25% | 48.6% | 25.7% | 22.9% | 2.98 |
According to Cameron's guide, Niese's K% and GB% rate are both terrific, while his walk rate ranged from average in AAA to tremendous in his extremely small sample size with the big club. tRA measures what a player's ERA should be, absent defense and luck. It's a better measure than Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP), because it accounts for the different types of batted balls, like GB%. Both of those marks, small sample size or not, are obviously fantastic. Any pitcher who can combine a high GB% and K% will be successful in the major leagues. His FIP from his two major leagues starts is a tiny 1.90, as almost every type of bad luck, a high BABIP and a low LOB%, went against Niese. He could very well be the second best pitcher on our team, if given the chance. By contrast, Livan has just a 5.47 tRA, which sadly, isn't bad for him.
Using these numbers, the difference between Hernandez and Niese in the rotation can be estimated. Let's assume Niese would maintain a tRA of 4.00 in the majors, which is not overly-optimistic. And let's also assume Livan keeps up the 5.50 pace, which knowing his ability to fade away, may be optimistic. Over the course of 120 innings, Livan would allow 73 runs, while Niese would allow 53. The difference, of course, is 20 runs, which is about 2 whole wins. In this division, I think everyone understands the importance of 2 wins.
Over the course of the season, Niese's talent should prevail over bad luck and bad defense, but the Mets need him to do that now in the majors, not in Buffalo. Development is all-but over for Niese, he just needs to be allowed to pitch, not shuttled around like Heath Bell. Some argue he should build up confidence with a few more successful starts in Buffalo, but he is fighting an uphill battle with players like Mike Lamb, Bobby Kielty, and Willy Mo Pena fielding behind him. Ultimately, the best move for his confidence, and the Mets success, would be to insert him in the rotation now, ditch Livan, and let Redding hold Oliver's spot. I doubt that happens, but it really needs to. Free Jon!
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I don't disagree with you
however as an alternative which Omar may find more palatable, I would keep both Niese and Livan in the rotation and Redding in the pen. If (when) Livan falters, then you replace him with Redding. .
by Endys Game on May 15, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think you can keep Niese out of the rotation at this point.
Whether you want Livan or Redding in the rotation is up to Minaya.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 15, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would not say that Niese's development is "all but over"
I really like Niese but his changeup is very meh. He barely throws the changeup when in the majors and I think the minors is the place to get confidence and a better feel for it. I don’t disagree that Niese is better than Livan or Redding but I also don’t think he’s going to have a tRA of 4.00, that seems a bit optimistic to me, I’m sticking with my preseason projection of a tRA of roughly 4.3 – 4.5 which would still be an improvement for sure but debateably worth possibly stunting further development (esp. i/r/t his change,) losing later season pitching depth by losing Livan (he would be picked up,) and beginning his arbitration clock.
by Sokojoe on May 15, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One last point,
it’s way to early in Niese’s career to be compared to Heath Bell’s treatment, Bell was jerked around for three years in his age 26, 27, and 28 seasons and spent five years in AAA at different times, every prospect that gets called up and sent down is not Heath Bell.
by Sokojoe on May 15, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Heath Bell comparison
was mostly in terms of the team not realizing he’s good and then getting fleeced by a better FO. I don’t think that will happen with Niese but I worry.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 15, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
A couple of weeks ago, someone said something about fearing Kunz is getting the Heath Bell treatment, I just feel like Bell was a unique situation that is starting to being compared to any prospect, but again I hear ya.
by Sokojoe on May 15, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was me lol
It wasn’t so much meant to compare Kunz now to Heath Bell, so much as a fear that the Mets would call him up because of his pretty ERA, realize he wasn’t ready, send him down, then watch someone get injured, call him up again, send him down again. Its obviously a completely different situation, you’d be jerking around a kid who just isn’t ready yet as opposed to a guy who was as ready as he was ever going to be, but not given a fair chance.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 15, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word, sorry, I didn't mean to call you out
or anything like that
by Sokojoe on May 15, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good
I’m always willing to take responsibility for what I say.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 15, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I struggled with how to phrase that
because obviously he has areas he can improve in. I just mean his time in the minors should be over. I don’t know why he has to pitch in the minors to improve his changeup. Pelfrey learned on the fly.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 15, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess I took that too literally
I just feel like the minors is a better place to work on pitches since more mistakes will be missed by batters and the games don’t matter. As for Pelfrey, his turnaround was more due to properly utlizing pitches he already had, (four seam and the two seam,) rather than learning a new pitch as his Slider/Curveball/Change are still more “show me” pitches but I understand your point that he did improve while in the majors. Good article by the way, I haven’t bothered looking at Niese’s two start ratios but I’m glad I see them now.
by Sokojoe on May 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the issue might be
that Hernandez and Niese are on different schedules. Niese would have to hang out on the roster for 6 days for his next start and we’d still need a spot starter for today’s game. Figueroa can be used for relief right away.
I’m not sure I actually believe this is the team’s reasoning.
by TheBigStapler on May 15, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Niese is Nice!
hooray for alliteration!
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on May 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You wrote: “Ultimately, the best move for his (Niese’s) confidence, and the Mets success, would be to insert him in the rotation now.”
So what if he gets knocked out in the early innings of a few games. He’ll get better and it will be good to show him that the Mets front office has confidence in him. Yeah…Right… Didn’t the last two seasons show that one game can make a difference whether it’s played in May or September. Figueroa has proven that he can start and come in for short or long relief. He’s shown that in his Mets starts in April and May 2008 and in his 7 short relief appearances in September 2008, 1.35 ERA. In April, only Santana, Figueroa and Livan Hernandez pitched at least 6 innings.
If a Met starter has to be pulled early, Figueroa can give you 2, 3 or 4 innings to get you to Stokes/Parnell, Putz, and Rodriguez. And then come back two days alter and relieve again. In Triple A in 2007 he pitched ten complete games. He pitched into the 10th inning during the 2009 Venezuela Winter League playoffs (with an no-hitter). His 2009 Buffalo WHIP is 0.86 with a 2.57 ERA. If Figueroa isn’t used in SF and Redding doesn’t get called up, Figueroa will start Monday in LA. After Redding takes Perez’s spot in the rotation, Figueroa should be sent to the bullpen. As a starter, he faces lefties and righties. Who do you send to Buffalo? Takahashi, Green, ? I don’t think that the Mets, after asking Figueroa to resign with the team (he had an offer to pitch elsewhere), will send him back to Buffalo.
by hdarvick on May 15, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are right but that is the problem
Figueroa now has too much leverage with this team. He is just not that good but now he is in a spot where he can almost dictate how he can be used by threatning to become a free agent.
by Endys Game on May 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did that didnt he?
And it didnt work out
by Gina on May 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I think it did
He got called up now as a result when he probably shouldn’t be on merit. and I bet he sticks around for a while now unless he is totally inept. If Putz get put on the DL, he is certain to at least nail down a bullpen spot for a few weeks.
by Endys Game on May 15, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did
and nobody offered him a deal, so he came back.
It is an empty threat. And I doubt the team is going to cave into a threat like that from a fringe major leaguer.
by Ed in Westchester on May 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic job Sam
I always enjoy reading these kinds of posts from you guys.
by pricedoutoftheciti on May 15, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as Redding/Hernandez aren't producing much worse than we could expect from Niese
I’m okay with Niese being in AAA, we have to pay the other two regardless and there’s no reason to start Niese’s clock early.
by Gina on May 15, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for speaking the truth.
It’s moves like this that really make me doubt Omar’s competence as GM. Niese is so much better than Livan that it’s painful to have to watch today’s game knowing Jon got sent down.
by twon8 on May 15, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well niese wouldnt be able to pitch today anyway
by Gina on May 15, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on the biggest nit-pick in history.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 15, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really a nitpick?
I imagine thats a major reason he got sent down. We needed a starter for today and they didnt want to move anyone else off schedule, and we needed preferably a long man, in the bullpen. They probably didn’t want Niese in the bullpen trying to fill that role on two days rest so I don’t really see what else they should have done. I think the mets front office does oodles of stupid but I don’t really see anything wrong with this… assuming more stupid doesn’t follow.
by Gina on May 15, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But now he's down for 15 days minimum
and that means 15 more days of Livan rather than Niese.
by twon8 on May 15, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
It means one west coast road trip to determine who you’re going to keep, Livan or Redding. At least I hope that’s what it means. As Gina said, this is fine, as long as more stupid doesn’t follow.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 16, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think they still plan to call Niese back up soon?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
But there’s definitely a part of me that expects the stupid instead.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 16, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niese will be back
The next time he comes up, he’ll probably stay up for good. Dillon Gee and Figueroa will become the spot starters later this summer.
by TheBigStapler on May 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have used quotation marks
As my magic 8-ball told me this verbatim.
by TheBigStapler on May 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
But I’m hoping the Mets just decided they might as well look at what Redding and Livan both look like next to each other before the decide who they’re going to stick with. Take them both on the road trip, leave Niese home, and aim to get him back up after a few weeks and maybe three starts. I don’t necessarily think this is what’s going to happen, but if it is the plan, I don’t mind it.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
definitely more enthused about Niese’s immediate potential now
by metsjetsnets on May 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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