What the Mets Need is a Brawl

by ZaBlanc on May 2, 2009 2:12 PM EDT

There seem to be two factions of Mets fans on Amazin Avenue: those who think things will turn out great if we stay as is, and those who think the last two years are not some statistical gaffe. I'm with the latter group, but in no way can assure anyone of my correctness.

Whatever you may think, I think one thing we DEFINITELY need is a dugout-clearing BRAWL. In the last two years, the Mets haven't had a single cause. There's been no Clemens/Piazza blood rival. There's been no big fights. In fact, the only thing we've seen is Jimmy Rollins claiming the Phils are the team to beat -- and proving it by winning two straight division titles and a World Series.

Today, Ollie Perez pitches. The differences between he and say, Maine and Pelfrey, are that Maine and Pelfrey have struggles and righted their ships a bit. There was no blame other than bad pitching. Ollie, on the other hand, has signed a $12 mil a year contract, come to camp out of shape, and frankly should thank his lucky stars he's paid so well and still getting a chance to start today.

I think it's time today culminates into something that will help the Mets. Perez needs to beam someone. Seriously. Nothing dangerous, just drill a few Phils on the back. We need a brawl. We need some fire and a CAUSE. And what better starting pitcher to throw to the ejection gods than Ollie Perez??

Ollie, do us all a favor, get yourself, your manager, and several teammates thrown out of the game. BRAWL SATURDAY.

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Meh

I’m rooting for one of two things to happen today: 1) Ollie pitches brilliantly and we win; or 2) Ollie gets slaughtered and we send him to AAA to try and get his shit together. I don’t particularly care if a brawl factors into it.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 2, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

I'd like to see them drill Rollins

but only because he’s a douchebag, not because it’ll inspire the Mets or anything. It won’t.

by jasondg on May 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions

Hmm

The last thing Oliver Perez needs to do is allow more baserunners. Beaning a few batters intentionally will not help his team prevent the other team from scoring runs. But, knowing Ollie he’ll probably hit a few guys today, albeit unintentionally.

P.S. Are there really “factions” here? I thought there were just Met fans trying to look at baseball objectively and rationally, and occasionally make some fun MS Paint pictures.

by James Kannengieser on May 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions

Just wanna point out

The last dugout clearning incident I remember for the Mets was the second last game of the 2007 season, courtesy of Lastings Milledge, Jose Reyes, and Miguel Olivo. Things didn’t work out too well.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 2, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs

In fact

after that, Omar ran Milledge — can’t spell Milledge without “edge” — straight out of town and acquired two ex-Nat choirboys. Look where that got us.

Now he complains Wright and Reyes smile too much and have no “edge.” While other teams feel the Mets are too arrogant and don’t respect the game. And the media (and Phillies fans) see both of those things, somehow. Which is it?

by jasondg on May 2, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Rec'ing everything in this thread

“can’t spell Milledge without "edge" "

“acquired two ex-Nat choirboys”

by James Kannengieser on May 2, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec'd for can't spell Milledge without edge

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, good point.

So I guess we’re spineless, but we also don’t respect the game/play it the right way?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Milledge hasn't done anything.

And if Church has been way better, even with the concussions.

by SQUAD on May 3, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think the point was about what Milledge or Church have done

so much as it was about Omar’s recent comments about having an “edge”.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 3, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

I happen to think Church is a “gamer” or has an “edge” or whatever. The guy plays hard.

by SQUAD on May 3, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I can see that

But he’s not really “mean” lol, which was the other word Omar used. And like jason said, you can’t even spell Milledge without “edge”.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

It doesn't matter, though!

Sure, he plays hard, but so does David Wright and Jose Reyes! Aargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry if that seemed like frustration at you.

It wasn’t. It was at the whole culture of stupidity.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Haha

But they’ve never played so hard they concussed themselves!

by Mark Himmelstein on May 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

No kidding.

These posts are going to get really long if I have to qualify everything.

“Church plays hard. Not to say that Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Sheffield, etc. don’t.”

I think it would be nice if people responded to actual comments and not a perceived “culture of stupidity.”

by SQUAD on May 3, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Jeez, man. You take everything so personally.

I’m just incredulous that ALL of us even need to have this conversation. In a perfect world, these things would be understood and neither you nor I would even think to qualify these things. But, that’s what it’s come to.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 3, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm just as frustrated as you are.

All i want to do is make a comment about the team and its players without it being blown completely out of proportion.

by SQUAD on May 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 2, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep, I was at that game.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 2, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Baseball needs more brawls.

Weekly.

aRaH vs. Varitek/Pedro vs. Zim was possibly the most fun I’ve ever had watching baseball.

We need Kyle Farnsworth.

by BlackOps on May 2, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

Rollins is playing like shit

I’d rather just have him go 0-4 and strike out with the tying runs on to end the game.

No need for beanball wars.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on May 2, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

I wouldn't mind beaning Rollins generally.

But he’s kinda sucked lately. So I’ll go with Werth, who pisses me off just by looking at him.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

I hate Victorino more

I think it’s the stupid little league helmet. He looks like he takes the short bus to the ballpark.

by cjmulrain on May 2, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions

UPDATE

There was no brawl. Instead, Ollie walking Jamie freaking Moyer with the bases loaded (which he had walked loaded himself) and Beltran unclutched a DP with 1st and 3rd and 1 out in the 9th and Sean Green walked home the winning run in the 10th in an inning where the Phillies needed just a single (two walks and a HBP in the inning).

The 2009 NY Mets: WE GOT K-ROD! OMG, Putz, too! Sign Lowe! Lowe's a Brave. Sign Manny! Tim Redding, WTF? Sign Manny! Sheets or Perez? SHEETS! Perez?? Oh, Sheets is hurt -- good job, Minaya! WTF?! SIGN MANNY!

by ZaBlanc on May 3, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions

Hey, you can't put that game on the offense.

There are only two players responsible, and they bookended the pitching performances.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Why do you still hate Beltran…despite his leading the league in hitting…

by Fucilli5 on May 4, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

b/c he struck out looking once

by cjmulrain on May 4, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Because when Beltran fails

It fits the narrative of failure.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 4, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions

The silence is deafening.

When Beltran has two games like he just had against the Braves.

by SQUAD on May 5, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

And last night.

After he hit that long foul, I wondered if Moyer would make another mistake…and he did. beautiful.

by gogomets on May 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions

What the Mets really need

Is a winning streak, and not just a streak but a streak of wins where they dominate, much like the 10 gamer around the A/S break last year. They DOMINATED teams with outstanding pitching and great defense, and good hitting. As I recall, without actually looking it up, they had 4 or 5 games in a row where they gave up less than 5 hits each, and just pummeled teams. That kind of streak gets them their swagger, and gets other teams toungues wagging about the Mets. And if that doesn’t work, then have Delgado swat Victorino in the head next time he rounds first base. He looks like a bobblehead in that oversized batting helmet.

by zmanmetfan on May 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions

Smack him like Alston did to Eddie House?

That shit was funny.

by gogomets on May 8, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I've changed my mind

After that shit Victorino pulled tonight where he elbowed Reyes in the rundown, it’s time for the Mets to drill his little league helmet-wearing ass. If it leads to a brawl, fine. He just needs to have a message sent.

2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?

by Greenpoint Ian on May 8, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions