A Simple Request
It has been a frustrating few days of New York Mets baseball, folks. The team comes off of three straight wins in San Francisco to now lose three straight games in which the team has scored a total of five runs and made some horrendous errors in the field and on the basepaths. To make things worse, the manager has made more than a few questionable decisions and the general manager has saddled him with a bevy of back-ups perhaps not fit to start on the lowly Nationals, let alone an alleged contender like the Mets. And yet, all three of those losses have been eminently winnable. It is a rough patch, to be sure, but there are some bright spots to be found as well.
This is not, however, an analysis but, rather, a simple request for some civility. The game threads here have become downright nasty during the last few games. Wishing that Jerry Manuel was dead will not make him a better manager. Wishing incurable death or disease upon a shitty player will not make him a better player. Threatening to track down Omar Minaya will not make him any better at personnel decisions. As we have seen recently, these seemingly innocuous sorts of statements on a message board can get you in trouble with the law. Moreover, it makes the atmosphere in the game threads somewhat intolerable for people trying to discuss a game of baseball.
I do not begrudge anyone their right to complain about Jerry Manuel (I certainly do), or Omar Minaya (ditto), or certain players (natch). Shit happens in baseball and it is fun to bitch about it. And, like our own cjmulrain said only two days ago, we are "the angriest fan base of a first place team in professional sports history." Sure, second place now, but the sentiment remains valid. But please keep the death and disease wishes to yourself. It really is to everyone's benefit.
As always, Let's Go Mets!
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Hear hear
Wholeheartedly agree. There is alot of baseball to be played this year, and frankly, some people just take the whole thing too seriously. This week, a family member had a medical scare. That is real life. This is baseball. Take that shit to Metsblog, you will be welcomed with open arms.
by TBlz on May 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said
The AA gamethreads are really becoming comparable to MetsBlog et al. The lamest point was the Lincecum/Hernandez game where certain users were throwing a hissy fit laced with non-contributing nonsense only to love the Mets when they won. You said it before CPP when did becoming a fan mean never being able to take a loss or a rough patch? Being a Mets fan over being a Yanks fan used to mean something at the start of the Millennia, I think the fanbase lost that.
by Sokojoe on May 20, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I didn’t want to use the MetsBlog refence but it was definitely in the back of my mind.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 20, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nods head.
I don’t think anyone wants to discourage passion, or saying someone is incurably terrible at what they do. But wishing physical harm is taking it just a notch across the line.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
go to hell catsmeat
I agree. I would recommend: If watching the game isn’t fun, then don’t watch it. And certainly don’t come to AA to type threats in caps, and swear, and otherwise disrupt the discussion of the actual game.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Also, centerpede 101 just posted a FanPost!
by jasondg on May 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, agreed.
Eric even had to scold AA users earlier this season for unnecessary cursing/threats. How many times are we going to have to do this?
Sadly, I’ve stopped going to the game threads. In part, because I’ve been very busy as of late. But also in part because I am not at all tempted to read/contribute to them. And that stinks.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
by Durelo on May 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, game threads are depressing lately.
Thanks for writing this, CPP. To the front page with you!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 20, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, basically this
I have tried to get into the threads the last few nights but it’s just been too much to read/deal with. I forget who said it, but on Monday’s thread it was suggested that someone reading might have thought it was 15-1 when it was only 2-1 at the time. This is not far off from the atmosphere lately.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
the game threads have been less fun recently. there’s no reason to treat every error, strikeout, or bad managerial move as if it just cost the team the world series.
by englishgrey on May 20, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, yeah
Especially the errors/strikeouts. But the bad managerial moves are adding up and are really, really frustrating.
I think the thing is that people are crossing the line — threats of physical harm, wishing disease on replacement-level players, etc. There’s no place for that.
by jasondg on May 20, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well-said
I’ve avoided game threads for this very reason. I envy those people whose worst agony in life is witnessing a bad pinch-hitting substitution.
However:
…the angriest fan base of a first place team in professional sports history.
This statement not valid anywhere professional soccer is taken seriously.
phliadelphoe ite domum!
by Doc Manhattan on May 20, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
good call. See also: Indian cricket supporters. They stormed the team captain’s house after an opening match loss to Bangladesh in the 2007 World Cup, and occasionally burn coaches or players in effigy.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 20, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha fair enough
how about limit it to “angriest American fan base…”
by cjmulrain on May 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I htink my record is pretty good in this regard but I was sort of guilty the other night of wishing death on Manuel. I really meant it as a joke more than a serious comment but I realize one shouldn’t joke about such things. If I violated our civilty policy, I am truly sorry. There are some other folks though who I think get more carried away on a regular basis. To them I say simply, whatever you think of Manuel, the guy is trying his best under difficult circumstances. Its not easy being a manager of this team in this city at this time coming off two years like the Mets had and when the media is or at least seems to be almost totally against your team and waiting to jump on almost everything surronding this team. Throw in the injuries the last two years and the lack of depth which is the fault of the GM and I don’t think Manuel deserves all or even a majority of the blame for this team’s problems. I don’t think the guy is a very good manager but I think there aren’t many who could do better. He is at least replacement level, to adapt a well-known phrase from a different context. In any event the guy deserves a break now and then and he seems like a decent sort overall.
And I still think this team can contend for a title this year. I think right now they need to get another bat ASAP. And I think there are people around they could get. But that is another discussion. I promise to be more positive or at least calm in future posts regarding Manuel and others. And Catsmeat, thank you for taking this issue on and allowing everyone to clear the air. And don’t worry we are still way better than Metsblog
by Endys Game on May 20, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm certainly guilty of saying a few things that could get one thrown in jail on occassion
But it’s good to know that there are people who would at least like to try to keep this place from turning in to a black hole.
It’s obvious that people work hard and put in a lot of time to make this a place to go for prevalent conversation and infomation and a place like this can go south very quickly if not policed by their own.
We all can get emotional sometimes because we care (perhaps a little too much), but the sentiment of the post is spot on.
by AnthonyR on May 20, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done, little brother.
Rec’d
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on May 20, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any of us have felt quite right
Since we had to listen to Steve Phillips blather on the other night. But you’re absolutely right, I don’t even remember half the things I wrote the other night, and though I’m sure none of it was intended to be malicious, I was certainly contributing to the fervency.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 20, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By god, you've cracked the code!
Good call on Phillips.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you guys want to hear some violations of decor
they should mike me at Dodger Stadium the last few nights. I’ve uttered indecencies that would make your incivilities blush.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that sounds right
i love some good invective as much as the next guy, probably a whole lto more actually, but its got to be GOOD invective, ie funny and original. so maybe more ‘gee i’d love to see things from jerry manual’s point of view but i cant seem to get my head that far up my own ass’ and less boring old ‘F*** JERRY F*** OMAR F*** MY LIFE.’
sorry i just added that last one because i was thinking about the line from the movie superbad.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on May 20, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would just like to say:
Fuck Jay and Silent Bob. Fuck them up their stupid asses.
Sorry, I agree with Catsmeat wholeheartedly but at the same time I do approve of the indiscriminate use of profanity in certain situations.
by JoshNY on May 20, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you didn't take this as against profanity
Swearing is rad.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know it wasn't.
That line was just brought to mind by kendynamo’s “F*** JERRY F*** OMAR F*** MY LIFE”.
by JoshNY on May 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankly
After Monday night and some of the other soul-crushing defeats we’ve suffered this year, it was rather refreshing to lose conventionally last night.
by metsjetsnets on May 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving up 3 run bombs to Casey f'ing Blake should not be conventional
but I completely understand your point
by gogomets on May 20, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually did not understand the invective against Ramon Martinez
He was being the best Ramon Martinez he can be, and he’s still one of the 5,000-or-so best baseball players in the world. He could whip my sorry ass all over the park.
He’s just not a major-league hitter anymore, and Omar has no solution and Jerry doesn’t even understand the problem.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 20, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Right
If I get angry, it’s never ever at the player who performs badly but tries his best. It’s at the people who stupidly put him in that position. Like Reed at 1B. Dude’s doing his best.
Hell, I wouldn’t play these guys at these positions in a video game.
by jasondg on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotten to the point
That this is the 2nd time this week that someone commented on something the Mets did in REAL LIFE and made the point that it wouldn’t even happen in a video game. I think someone mentioned the Mets’ 5 errors on Monday night and said that wasn’t even possible to pull off in a video game. Usually not a good sign……
"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez
by OSUmets on May 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
I always return to this point (see: here, search for “steak”). It’s not Ramon Martinez’s fault that he is only a decent minor league ballplayer. That’s the best he can be, and kudos to him because he’s better than almost everyone else in the world. It’s Omar Minaya’s fault for not coming up with anyone better and, if there is someone better (there is, I think), then it’s Jerry Manuel’s fault for not playing that person.
by Eric Simon on May 20, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things that are good for the gamethreads
-jokes
-obviously absurd statements that are funny
-playful sarcasm
-gifs
-Lou
-civility
-WPA updates
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about suggestions about what play should be ran?
Like steal, bunt, hit and run, etc.? Minus the large amount of cursing, of course.
and how about cheering for the team? Or noticing a nice play? Hell, I think yelling at the umps are good too.
I am assuming these things are okay but I feel we need to reiterate them as well.
by meigs1414 on May 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playful sarcasm is the hard part.
Sometimes, I’ll admit, our sarcasm is more bitter/biting than playful.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 20, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
centerpede 1o1
- WNBA scores
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on May 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same. Why in God's name would he become a Nats fan?
He must be a glutton for punishment.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fantasy team isnt doing well either
really is a glutton
by Sokojoe on May 21, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100000%
- Rivers McCown, http://frommomsbasement.com/
by riversmccown on May 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I abide by the rules
But I might’ve called Willie Randolph a piece of you know what when the topic of Jerry vs. Willie came up. I’m sorry if someone was offended.
I also apologize for being right.
by All Shook Down on May 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree. We cant win every game especially with the fluxuating lineups. I was searching blogs today and came across a very funny Mets blog http://mcisemo.blogspot.com/
I guess the guy just created it but i couldnt agree with him more!
by RIPShea on May 20, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 20, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A simple request
You are right. The mets are having a tough time right now. They need to field,hit,pitch and make better decisions right now. The season is far from over. Yes we need another big bat in our line up. I was wondering if the mets can get Jake Pevy from the Padres (we can use another pitcher too.). The Mets are the the team to beat but they must start playing like it.
Mike Dunnom
by centerpede 101 on May 21, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 22, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe?
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 22, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, time to buy a centerpede 101 custom mets t shirt
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on May 22, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man you probably can't get a three digit shirt on mlb.com, can you?
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dig:

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 22, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
everyone would take you very serious in that shirt.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 22, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not enough
not enough arm holes!
agree w/ original posts. i no longer go to game threads bc it got so outta control with negativity … master of the obvious sez: baseball is a GAME and supposed to be fun.
by metsexile on May 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know why I'm bothering with this
but the White Sox are getting Peavy, pending Peavy’s approval of the deal. It’d be nice to get him, as he wouldn’t get as exposed as he’s gonna get in the AL/U.S. Cellular Field, but unfortunately we’re not getting him.
by gogomets on May 22, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure Peavy nixed it
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 22, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whaddya think, centerpede?
Peavy for Fernando Martinez and Carlos Beltran? Should we throw in Reyes, too?
by BlackOps on May 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put man.
" GIVE ME A BASEBALL GAME, A HOT DOG AND SOMEONE WHO IS NOT SITTING IN FRONT OF ME WITH A COWBOY HAT ON, AND I'M A HAPPY GUY. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on May 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HE'S BACK ZOMG WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN YOU CRAZY MAN WE MISSED YA
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy cow it's Lou!
I second squid, we’ve missed you. Btw, you sure picked a strange time to become a Nationals fan, considering they’re on pace for their second consecutive 100-loss season. That would be like becoming a Mets fan in 1963. ;-)
by cjmulrain on May 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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