Beltran Stays (New York): Steve, while I respect your work, I disagree with your statements about Carlos Beltran on Sunday Night Baseball. The guy has done nothing but produce, and name me a CF who's better in the game right now.
Steve Phillips: If the Mets don't make the playoffs, I firmly believe they need to reconfigure the core of this team. While Beltran does have talent, I just don't see him as a winning player. Even after my comments on Sunday night, Beltran let a fly ball drop in between himself and Angel Pagan in the Dodger game. I see him putting up numbers but not making plays to win games. I would take Torii Hunter, Grady Sizemore, Curtis Granderson, and Nate McLouth over Beltran, and use the financial difference to improve the team in other ways. Beltran isn't a $17 million dollar a year player. He just doesn't have the kind of impact for that kind of money.
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Torii Hunter!!
Nate McLouth!
Omar > Phillips
Not that that’s saying too much.
by Eric Simon on May 20, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate Mclouth
Such a “winning player” that his team hasn’t had a winning record since 1992.
Not to mention Torii Hunter is set to make $18 million per through 2012.
Steve Phillips is in a dream world of black magic.
by James Kannengieser on May 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Nate
but he’ll never be a good enough fielder for center, Jesus it’s not even close
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 20, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per FanGraphs
Beltran was worth $25.8, $20.1, and $30.1 million in ’06, ’07, and ’08, respectively. And $8.7 million in ’09, so far.
Clearly not a “$17 million dollar a year” player. He’s worth way more than that.
by jasondg on May 20, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could you send this stat to him?
and for that matter, could you send me the website where I can find this info so I can do it if the situation arises?
by meigs1414 on May 20, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then, Steve Phillips, you're an idiot.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 20, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They actually let Steve Phillips talk to real people?
How does he have any self esteem left? I can only imagine the kinds of chat comments he got.
Also, how does he propose the Mets turn up this SizeMcLunterson at a contract any better than Beltran’s anyway? I mean, even if more than one of those players was close to Beltran’s level, does he have some magic player creator? Or does he just take video game way too seriously?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 20, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't get over how this joker is employed by ESPN, or anywhere else for that matter
From the same chat:
Many people think that Alex Rodriguez is the best player in the game, but he’s never won anything. I look at Beltran in a similar fashion as Rodriguez—a great talent that just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to win championships.
The 4 centerfielders he’d prefer over Beltran: 0 combined championships
by James Kannengieser on May 20, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I bet that he'd take the other three guys over Sizemore too
And his reasoning would essentially boil down to the fact that Kerry Wood’s having a rough year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 20, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unreal.
Fire Steve Phillips.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 21, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, it's Beltran or not Beltran?
Steve Phillips: They definitely have some issues. (yada yada yada) They will need Beltran, Reyes, and Wright to stay in the hunt.
Beltran is a very good person and a solid citizen, in addition to being a guy who puts up numbers. I like him, I just don’t think they can win with him.
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua.
by Michkin on May 20, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STEVE PHILLIPS
JUMP IN FRONT OF A FUCKING BUS.
oh sorry, is this the game thread?
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on May 20, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no don't worry
Omar is much smarter than Steve Phillips. So is centerpede 101
by Endys Game on May 20, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a maroon
Torii Hunter? Seriously? How is this man employed by an allegedly serious sports media company?
You know, I might take Sizemore over Beltran given the age difference, but Steve, WHAT ON EARTH MAKES YOU THINK CLEVELAND WOULD TRADE SIZEMORE? Or Detroit trade Granderson, for that matter.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on May 20, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
Why does the fact that theres like 3-4 better/more desirable centerfielders make Beltran any less good? That’s like saying Johan Santana is good but he’s no Nolan Ryan so I wouldn’t want him on my team.
by Gina on May 20, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Steve Phillips entire premise
Is Beltran + Mets =/= Win. Beltran has some ineffable quality that will prevent the Mets from ever winning with him. They could get their magic number down to 1 on August 15, and they would lose every game for the rest of the season, and the Phillies would win every game, simply because Beltran is on the Mets. Its like, a Voodoo hex or something.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 20, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone would prefer Nolan Ryan to Johan
they’re functionally retarded. Just as much as Phillips is. But that’s besides the point.
by cjmulrain on May 21, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole thing is stupid enough to where it doesn't even deserve our energy.
I don’t think anyone takes this chump seriously. I laugh when I hear things come out of his mouth because everything is “sour grapes” because he couldn’t cut it in NY.
Normally for guys like him, their stock goes up because people forget how mediocre they were when they are in the booth.
This guy is ensuring that he never gets another Front Office job again everytime he opens his mouth.
by AnthonyR on May 20, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Just wow.
It is statements like this that will keep Steve Phillips employed as an ESPN baseball analyst for the rest of his life. It is the ultimate in nonsensical blather.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 20, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
That’s why he can’t even be a retread GM in the majors
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Schmidtxc on May 20, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably couldn't even be a retread GM at Denny's
And yet they let him speak on television.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 20, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They regularly let guys like
Jim Rome, Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, although I think Bayless is just a tv troll, and Jay Mariotti speak on television. I think it’s safe to say ESPN has low standards.
by Gina on May 20, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to see some sort of controlled experiment
Where you compared viewership potential between guys like that and a bunch of legitimate sports analysts. I have no idea how to construct such an experiment, but I can’t even believe it would favor these buffoons. Are they really that entertaining? That either means I’m completely out of touch or the general population just has no sense of culture.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 20, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little bit of this, a little bit of that
I’ve come to realize that the vast majority of people are really dumb and crave the lowest common denominator. It’s why reality TV thrives as good shows get canceled left and right. It’s really sad.
by cjmulrain on May 21, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, also,
reality TV is substantially cheaper to produce.
by jasondg on May 21, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's talking about why people watch in huge numbers not just why they're put on
by Gina on May 21, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's part of, if not the driving force behind, why
“good shows get canceled left and right” and reality shows don’t. All else being equal, the reality show will make more money — for obvious reasons.
by jasondg on May 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
But does that make someone like Steve Phillips more entertaining to them? I mean, I don’t understand half the crap he says, does it make sense to dumb people? Even if you forget our vendetta against false baseball axioms, he talks right through the most important parts of the game without mentioning what’s going on. I can’t see how that’s acceptable broadcasting. When sports broadcasters do that, it doesn’t make me want to watch the game, it triggers my A.D.D. and makes me forget I’m even watching the game. It makes me want to sit down at my computer and rant about something unrelated to you guys, or maybe flip over to TBS and watch “The Mummy Returns” for two minutes before I get sad and decide its time to find something better to do.
I get why people like reality TV, and I get why they don’t particularly like David Cross homo-erotically spoofing Mrs. Doubtfire on a sit-com with no laugh track (how will they know what’s funny?). I even get why Steve Phillips can get away with what he does on Baseball Tonight, when there’s no game going on and he can preach to the choir of dunces. But I just don’t understand how people like him remotely encourage viewers to watch actual sporting events when they’re doing the color commentary.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on May 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he's actually centerpede
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Schmidtxc on May 20, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But centerpede is fun and loveable and enjoys a good Sparks vs. Mystics game
Phillips is just a bitter imbecile
by James Kannengieser on May 20, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Steve Phillips is too
If only he didn’t talk…
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Schmidtxc on May 20, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing this man used to run a baseball team
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 20, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a baseball team that was really, really good
the job he did from 1996-2000 does not compute with everything that has happened since.
by cjmulrain on May 21, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he got really lucky?
Or maybe he was like AJ Smith and started reading his own press clippings and his head got way too big and then he started destroying everything he built with his arrogance.
by Gina on May 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me, or...
Isn’t “putting up numbers” the same thing as “making plays to win games”?
"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez
by Lance Johnson on May 21, 2009 4:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
no no no
putting up numbers is selfish. Making plays to win games is unselfish. I don’t know how one differentiates between the two since EVERY SINGLE PLAY in a baseball game correlates to a number, but hey, it’s what the talking heads taught me
by cjmulrain on May 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
E very single play in a baseball game relates to a number?
10000000000 ESPN analysts/metsblog commentators/random stubborn people’s heads just exploded.
by Gina on May 21, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the Metsblog comment section questionnaire today?
I filled it out.
by James Kannengieser on May 21, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cerrone is laying down the law!
it will be interesting to see who these “intelligent” new commenters will be.
by englishgrey on May 21, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first two draft picks:
Paperman519 and centerpede 1o1.
"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."
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