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Meet the Mets

Johan Santana takes the mound in tonight's series opening game against the Red Sox. Boston's Daisuke Matsusaka will oppose him, making his first start since coming off the DL from a right shoulder strain.

The Wall Street Journal takes a look at the underrated Johan.

Met philosopher Ted Berg runs intellectual circles around Steve Phillips and explains how you can enjoy baseball without worshipping at the altar of grission.

On the totally opposite spectrum, Jerry Manuel doesn't rely on stats.

Jose Reyes MRI yesterday revealed tendinitis behind his right calf and he is listed as day to day. That means we get more of Tatis/Martinez at shortstop for the near future. Metsblog tries to get the Mets interested in Seattle's Yuniesky Betancourt.

Fernando Martinez continues to rake, going 2 for 4 yesterday. In other news, Josh Thole is now a C+. I don't really know what that means.

Wondering why Gary Sheffield wasn't in the lineup against Los Angeles? Food poisoning.

Met scout "Shooty" Babitt thinks Stephen Strasburg is the best amateur he's ever scouted. He kind of disappointed me though with his best Rickey story.

Around the NL East

A lot of action in the division during the Mets' off-day. The Phillies cruised passed the Reds, 12-5, with the help of Chase Utley's 4 RBI. Joe Blanton continued the Philly starting rotation struggles, however, giving up 5 ER in 5 innings.

Phillies Nation believes that their team has a chance to get Peavy with this underwhelming crop. Wow.

The Braves were shut out by the Rockies, 9-0, in a disappointing rookie debut by pitcher Kris Medlin. In addition to Omar Infante, the Braves added Jo-Jo Reyes to the DL. Neither injury is worrying Bobby Cox, however, as he told this reporter after waking up from his afternoon nap.

The Nationals finally snapped their 7 game losing streak, beating the Pirates 5-4 in Craig Stammen's first major league appearance. Prior to yesterday's victory, Manny Acta tried to get the Nationals to think that they're better than their record.

The formerly 11-1 Florida Marlins dropped to 19-23 in losing to the Arizona Diamondbacks last night 4-3, despite a strong outing from Andrew Miller. Florida's opponents for the next 35 games have a winning percentage of .547. Prior to last night's game, the Marlins called up Dave Davidson and Christhian Martinez for their bullpen. Martinez was thrown right into the action, allowing 2 runs and was charged with the loss.

Around MLB

So, the Jake Peavy trade thing never happened, as Peavy vetoed the deal. Some in San Diego think that the Padres messed up the deal from the start. But, in a move that was destined to happen and will surely by good PR, Tony Gwynn, Jr. was acquired by San Diego.

Jim Leyritz's trial has been set for September 14.

The Yankees keep winning. Ugh. Chien-Ming Wang will make a start at AAA Scranton.

The Cubs may move Alfonso Soriano back to second base.

Reds pitcher Edison Volquez is going on the 15-day DL with a sore back

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From Berg's piece

This is in the running for my comment signature:

Baseball games and seasons and careers have their inevitable ups and downs, and part of the beauty of the sport is that so many of them are uncontrollable. Teams must improve their odds by compiling the best possible rosters and fielding the best possible lineups, then cross their fingers and hope the ball bounces their way.

or this

I’m only saying that it’s silly to look at the 2009 Mets and wish they behaved more like the 1986 Mets. If Stanley made the pitch or Buckner made the play, the Mets of the late 80s would be remembered as a massive disappointment, not a gritty gang of mustachioed heroes.

by James Kannengieser on May 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

the latter quote

that’s an excellent observation. game 6 of the 1986 is the epitome of luck in baseball.

by englishgrey on May 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

berg is straight up the tits

no offense sny.tv but this man needs a bigger audiance.

All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.

by kendynamo on May 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Buckner made the play

they would have played another inning. But still, I get the point.

by cjmulrain on May 22, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't trust anyone's who's name is Shooty Babit

Also I guess Peavy must understand park factors & defense on pitching… or he just really hates the AL.

And why did we wait over a week to get an MRI on our superstar?

by Gina on May 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh sure

Ted Berg can quote Stephen Jay Gould, but what does that guy know about baseball? He’s just some egghead! Steve Phillips spend 13 years working in a front office. He knows that a good leader makes the difference. That’s why Carlos Beltran is so terrible. Sure, he hit the crap out of the ball in the series against the Dodgers, but most of those balls were caught by fielders who made excellent plays. Derek Jeter would have willed those balls out of the fielders’ gloves.

Randomness. Ha! A great leader controls all of the events on the field. With his flawless leadership.

"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I've spent the last week and a half watching every Yankees game tape from 96-2000

Steve Phillips is right, Jeter NEVER made a mistake. Well, he took a called strike 3 once in 97, so I’ll guess that’s why they didn’t win the series that year.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 22, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Notice how the Marlins have sucked ever since Wes Helms called them "the team to beat"?

And Philthy fans are just phooling themselves. They really think they can phit together a trade that would phorce the Padres to trade him to them? That’s phucking unrealistic, and he’ll be a phree agent soon enough anyway. Honestly, I don’t think he’ll be a phront line starter outside of Caliphornia.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Random thoughts...

Yuniesky Betancourt? Really Cerrone? That guy is a tremendously awful hitter. (Career OBP .304 kind of awful.) AND he’s under contract until 2011. I think we’d be better off just sticking with Martinez, or Tatis, or even AReyes.

That pile of crap that the Phils fans are talking about is not landing Jake Peavy.

Shooty Babbit’s favorite Rickey moment is indeed boring. I thought scouts were supposed to be all about the beauty and poetry of the game or some bullshit like that.

Yeah, Ted Berg ran intellectual circles around Steve Phillips, but I think even Paperman could do that.

I like how that Newsday article about Jerry going with his gut gave a bunch of examples of how it backfired.

by JoshNY on May 22, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

HELLO HELLO MR. PHILLIPS

WE WAN’T THE STATS NOT THE GRIT

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Betancourt has been a dreadful fielder in 2008-09. He might be better than Ramon Martinez but not by much.

by Zwill on May 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

in any case

not enough better than Ramon Martinez to give up any talent in return and pay him an average of $3M/year until 2011

by JoshNY on May 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No of course not

Betancourt should be avoided like the plague.

by Zwill on May 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

More from Ted Berg's Piece

It’s also refreshing to see Joe Morgan being thoughtful:

“Which brings me back to Phillips. In the top of the fourth in that Sunday night game, while Morgan was discussing how the Mets were winning despite not playing well, Phillips insinuated that a leader like Joe Morgan would never allow his team to lose focus like the Mets obviously had. Morgan responded:

Sometimes you can’t help it. That’s one of the things I think people don’t understand. When you play 162 games, you’re going to have stretches where you play defense, you play poor defense. You hit well, you do not hit well. You pitch well — all those things happen in 162 games. That’s why it’s such a tough grind. So there are going to be times when that happens."

Morgan’s response highlights what a waste of time Phillips is: Not only is he is as dumb as a rock, but he also lacks the experiential insights of a former player.

"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos

by Shomov on May 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Manuel sounds like...

Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents dinner.

Jerry’s not a member of the “factanista”. He goes straight from the gut!

by Reg Dunlop on May 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

1986 applesauce would be moldy at this point.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Philly trading for Peavy

Agreed, that’s not a good enough haul for Chicago, particularly considering how badly Carrassco is pitching (and he’d be the only real prospect of value in the package). Then again, Chicago’s package was EXTREMELY bad (from what I’ve heard, Beckham was NOT the PTBNL) so who knows what Peavy would give him up for.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 22, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

but even still

the white sox package was basically Poreda + filler, for the most part. This hypothetical package from the Phils is Carrasco + filler – even worse. Carrasco is a good step below Poreda in polish and in not giving up a ton of homers. Which i guess wouldn’t be too much of an issue for anyone pitching in San Diego, but I want Carrasco to stay with the Phillies just we can see how a guy who gave up over a homer per 9 in AA last year works in CBP.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on May 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poreda vs Carrasco

Yeah, but Carrasco has really good stuff. He COULD end up a #1/#2 type starter if he ever figures it out. Poreda doesn’t have anything close to that kind of ceiling.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone watching this Mets Classic on SNY?

Against the Phils, division clinching game from ’88. Those Phillies teams were laughingly bad.

by jasondg on May 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Great SS matchup in this one

Elster and Jeltz combining for the ultimate offensive suckitude.

by jasondg on May 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But did Jeltz

ever have sex wtih an opposing players’ girlfriend during a game? That’s grustle we can believe in.

"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, and Elster was great in Little Big League

Kiner and McCarver are all over Jefferies’ jock during this, too. Can’t blame them.

by jasondg on May 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better manager

Jerry Manuel or Billy Heywood?

by meigs1414 on May 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Jefferies would’ve had to turn out to be otherworldly levels of awesome in order to live up to all the hype he got when he was coming up. (I didn’t realize it until I looked at his stats just now, but he stole 46 bases against 9 CS and OPSed .894 with the Cards in 1993.)

by JoshNY on May 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't remind me

Just putrid

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 22, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm usually indifferent

to the Yankees. I’m not one of those fans that walk out of the stadium chanting “Yankees suck!” after a nice win (anyone that has been to a few games probably knows what I’m talking about). However, I will be rooting hard for them to keep winning and sweep the Phillies.

"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez

by Lance Johnson on May 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Guess what players are in the #1, #2, and #4 spots tonight (the most important ones in the lineup)?

Murphy, Church, Sheffield. Sigh.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

umm what?

"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I am guessing ramon martinez is batting ninth, playing short

Cause he didn’t include it.

The fact that castillo is no where near the top of the lineup baffles me.

by meigs1414 on May 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what I'd have gone with:

Castillo
Beltran
Murphy
Wright
Sheff
Church
Castro
Reed
Shortstop

by jasondg on May 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shortstop Forfeit.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by shortstop you mean Tatis right

Although putting Reed in Left is fine with me, considering he has played at fenway before.

by meigs1414 on May 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Adam Rubin
[Manuel] added that Luis Castillo is batting ninth, so Murphy is essentially batting second the next time through the order.

So if you want Castillo to lead off, lead him off. And if you think he can’t get on base, this comment makes no sense.

by Mount17 on May 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's stupid. Really, really stupid.

This ONLY makes sense from a National League perspective.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't understand why he would do it now

But not on a regular basis when it might actually make sense

by Gina on May 22, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've begun to pine openly for Bobby V.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many strikes does Wright see tonight

with Reed batting behind him? 2? At least Sheffield might sort of concern a pitcher, probably at a greater rate than his actual ability.

by Mount17 on May 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

my new signature
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

Magnificent.

Oh, and Jerry Manuel doesn’t look at stats? Knock me over with a feather!

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on May 23, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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