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Bart Hubbuch is on it again, via his Twitter:

NYPost_Mets Piling on: Now Ramon Martinez is out with a back injury. Fernando Tatis might have to start at SS Monday night if Jose Reyes can't go.
NYPost_Mets Jose Reyes just told reporters that he will NOT play Monday. "It don't feel good," he said.

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Wow

the bodies keep piling up.

"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 24, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, I've seen fewer bodies in a slasher flick.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen so many injuries hit one team in such a short time.

by BobbyV_Incognito on May 25, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on the severity of the injury

it’s probably sensible to just DFA Martinez and bring up a live body. (Of course, many of us felt that way before the injury.)

by Zwill on May 24, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not just DL him?

I mean, they should get rid of him anyway, but its not like DLing him has any negative impact aside from the fact that it might mean he’ll reappear at some point.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he goes on the 15 day DL

he still counts against the 40-man roster. Since we don’t have any viable SS options on our 40-man roster, someone else would need to be DFAed. Cancel, Evans and Sullivan are the only position players on our 40-man not currently on the MLB roster or the DL. None of them can play SS. They’d need to purchase a contract for Tejada/Coronado/etc. Since Martinez won’t be claimed off waivers and figures to accept an assignment to AAA, it seems like the play to me.

by Zwill on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I assumed they actually carried a full roster. Seems that they don’t – only 38 spots are filled. My error. Ignore everything I said.

by Zwill on May 24, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand not wanting to start the clock on Tejada

Shouldn’t be a concern with Coronado though. Its still close between an all-glove guy like them or just going with Tatis, but someone absolutely must get called up if you don’t have Reyes, Ramirez, and Church. A two man bench is absolutely unacceptable, especially a two man bench comprised of Angel Pagan and Omir Santos.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

A two man bench

is absolutely unacceptable in an NL game that is.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

The other might be Jeremy Reed. Same difference.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 24, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

good god

the injury bug has really hit us hard.it seems that since delgodo went down no one can stay healty

by Jadden Hopkins on May 24, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Phew

That’s a relief. I thought this was Fernando for a second there.

by Eric Simon on May 24, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

It’s a relief that Ramon Martinez is hurt and not Fernando Martinez. I find it hard to believe that the Mets can’t find someone of equal or better value lying around someone else’s roster, readily available in exchange for some middling prospect.

by Eric Simon on May 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rubin reports

that Beltran is very iffy to start in the OF tomorrow. And an unnamed Mets source claims that Fartinez will be called up if Church goes on the DL, which may happen after his MRI tomorrow.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/05/red-sox-12-mets-5-bring-on-the.html

by Zwill on May 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

If I getta good jump...

I gonna steal TWO bases.

"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez

by Lance Johnson on May 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Unbelievable

This is the second year in a row we’ve been anally violated by injuries.

Of course with Martinez and Cora, this is why you don’t sign backups that are 36 and 32 respectively.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 25, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Eh

You can’t really pin Cora injuring his thumb while sliding into second base on his age (32 is old now?). And, hey, Martinez went down with a bad back one day after our expensive new closer went down with a bad back; apparently that can happen to anyone.

Ramon Martinez was a bad idea as a back-up only because he is Ramon Martinez.

"The definition of edge is going out there and getting a few wins, and then all of a sudden you don’t have to worry about anyone talking about edge anymore," Wright said. "That's a thing in the past. Go ask Omar about that."

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 25, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

A more glaring concern

is our total lack of depth in the high minors. I know there are some valid reasons for this and obviously I’ll take Johan Santana and Francisco Rodriguez over organizational depth if forced to choose b/w the two. Overall though, the FO has been negligent when it comes to stocking the minors with players who can contribute rather than the organizational filler we currently see.

by Zwill on May 25, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Not having minor league depth can be a problem. Overpaying for filler type guys (Cora, Redding, etc.) is another.

The Mets will probably go pick up a salary dump SS now though, to serve as backup. Hopefully this doesn’t hamper them from making any “bigger” move that might be dictated by needs (like obtaining a SP if needed)

by Aeoni on May 25, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I mean, that’s just bad long term management, there’s little you can do in the short term to correct that.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my dreams if we fail because of injuries the Wilpons will suddenly wake up and realize

how awful the depth on this team was, and how many positions were left up to hope and either fire omar or make some kind of, good, change.

more than likely they’ll just say he can’t be blamed for bad luck… although no one has a problem blaming david wright, jose reyes and carlos beltran for bad luck.

by Gina on May 25, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

At least according to the pregame lineup in Buffalo, Fernando Martinez is starting in the outfield and batting third, Malo and Kiger are not in the lineup, and Awful Reyes is getting a start at SS. I’m assuming that this means Malo is on his way to NYC, and that Ryan Church is either feeling better or they’re waiting until the last second to make a decision on F!.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Malo "impressed" in ST

Small sample size obsession lives on. He also stinks. Can he at least handle SS defensively?

by jasondg on May 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

Because the only reasons to call him up over Coronado and Tejada:
1. Avoiding starting the clock on the two youngsters, which with Coronado at least, shouldn’t be an issue, since he’s not really much of a prospect.
2. Because Malo can “play multiple positions,” which shouldn’t be relevant, since the team doesn’t have a real SS at the moment. Though I guess that means they could keep him around as Cora’s replacement when Jose gets back, which is kind of sad.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dead silence

on Church’s MRI, R Martinez’s health and Fartinez’s status. Possibly status quo for today and then a move tomorrow?

Really though, if Church, Reyes, R Martinez and Beltran are all out for tonight, as it appears is the case, the lineup looks like this:

C: Castro or Santos
IF: Murphy / Castillo / Tatis / Wright
OF: Sheff / Reed / Pagan

With just the backup catcher as a remaining healthy reserve. Beltran can PH and maybe Martinez but prob not Reyes or Church. How can you play a game in the NL w/that short of a bench?

by Zwill on May 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're talking about a manager who thinks two lead off hitters in an AL game makes sense

but not in an NL game. I don’t think theres much manuel could do to shock me at this point.

by Gina on May 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha -- that was a total joke

He hit the two “leadoff hitters” 9th and 1st instead of 1st and 2nd, ensuring that Santos and Ramon Martinez would get more at-bats than the so-called “second leadoff hitter.” In what world does that make any sense?

by jasondg on May 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Malo's coming up

But otherwise, sound about right. If he does it’ll be interesting to see who’s starting at SS. And obviously, I have nothing verifiable to support this claim, other than his absence from Buffalo’s lineup.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malo was listed as on the bench for the game

Not sure if that means anything at all, but it is a thing that happened.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I absolutely cannot imagine someone’s not coming up. Is Kiger listed too? Coroando and Tejada are both in Bingo’s lineup. F!‘s taken an AB in Buffalo’s game.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiger's on the 7-day DL.

It honestly looks like we’re doing nothing and going with a ridiculously short bench tonight.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still going to believe Malo's on his way

Whether he is or not. I’m going to dilute myself into believing it. He has been starting most days, he may just be listed since there was no immediate replacement available. Coronado already failed in Buffalo and Tejada’s way too young. They wouldn’t be starting Awful at SS if Malo was available.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you're right.

I mean, Mike Lamb, he of the 10 career major or minor league games at second base, is starting at second for Buffalo today. That can’t just be some thing that Obie wanted to try out for a day.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

I knew it. As per Adam Rubin after yesterday’s game:

The Mets had brought infielder Jonathan Malo to New York as a precaution in case Martinez couldn’t go, but he never was activated.

Also

I mean, Mike Lamb, he of the 10 career major or minor league games at second base, is starting at second for Buffalo today. That can’t just be some thing that Obie wanted to try out for a day.

Hilarious, well put sir!

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 26, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that sarcastic?

Um, so you don’t have a bench comprised of Angel Pagan and Omir Santos (or Ramon Castro and Jeremy Reed, if Jerry wants to keep playing the role of laughing stock).

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was sarcastic, Meddler.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% sarcastic

Also, I don’t understand why they just don’t don’t DL Jose. He seems to be in the same position he was in SF, and when he rushed back then he reaggravated the injury the second he had to run hard again. If that happens again this can drag out for a while. Just put him on the DL, especially with some weak teams coming in, and see how he feels next week.

by Mount17 on May 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This team's management is inept.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 25, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha okay good

I’m so confused by this team’s situation, I can’t even sniff out some good ol’ irony properly. I need a baseball vacation….

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also worth noting

Nick Evans, 2 ABs 2 Ks today. That’s 7 Ks in 14 ABs. There is more wrong here than a BABIP fluke.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. That sucks, big time.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is

That the guy was going to make the big team before we signed Sheff, gets demoted to AAA, has a rough patch and gets demoted again to AA. Talk about uber-mismanagement and showing a total lack of confidence in a guy who proved last season he could be competent in the majors.

by BlackOps on May 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

But I can completely understand the way he was handled after Sheff was signed. He could have made signing Sheff questionable, but he proved nothing aside from the fact that he could be a platoon bat in 2008, and Buffalo just had so many offensive woes. I like Evans, he seems like he has his uses, but at least Sheff is drawing walks vs. RHP. Evans has never done anything to prove he can even do that. His career minor league OBP vs. RHP is .325, and even in 2008 in the minors, it was just .329.

But he was just miserable in Buffalo, and he was digging himself deeper and deeper, swinging at more and more bad pitches as the season went along.

Personally, I’m convinced there is more wrong with Evans right now than a “rough patch”. He’s been awful, he’s not making enough contact, and when he does make contact, not making enough hard contact. Was he unlucky to go 7 for 75 or whatever? Of course. But even if that was 17 for 75, it still would have been ugly. He needed to get out of that miserable environment in Buffalo, where no one was hitting a lick besides F!, even if it was just to get his head straightened out, that was not the place to do it. And the way Sheffield’s handled his playing time, I cannot say I’m upset with the outcome of this situation at all. It sucks for Nicky, but I don’t think he was mishandled.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally

I’d give the spot to Sheff over Evans, but he was still mishandled. idk if he was told prior to the sheff signing that he was a Met (I aint in that frame of mind to check) but there is something seriously wrong with him. Whether he needs a sports psychologist or a new coach, something is up because he is quality enough to be in the bigs for his bat vs. lefties. I really like him and I really hope he can figure it out and play some years with the Mets.

by BlackOps on May 28, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the backup-backup-backup SS?

Kevin Elster?

The 2009 NY Mets: WE GOT K-ROD! OMG, Putz, too! Sign Lowe! Lowe's a Brave. Sign Manny! Tim Redding, WTF? Sign Manny! Sheets or Perez? SHEETS! Perez?? Oh, Sheets is hurt -- good job, Minaya! WTF?! SIGN MANNY!

by ZaBlanc on May 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Per Hubbuch

Martinez in again at SS, Church won’t have to go on the DL, and Beltran’s good to go at CF.

by jasondg on May 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever they got those guys on to heal them up so quick

I want it. Seriously though, this is good news for the most part. Any updates on Reyes? Is tomorrow still a possibility? If not, the DL should seriously be considered, and its a shame that they forced him back into the lineup, because if he hadn’t played those games, he might be just about ready and able to be coming off the DL by now.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just that

Reyes doesn’t need to go on the DL “yet.”

by jasondg on May 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No news from anyone

on the Mets beat, beyond Hubbuch Twittering about Livan being “one of the better-hitting pitchers you’ll see” if they need him to PH. Normally I’d be puzzled by Santos over Castro given that the lefty Lannan is starting for the Nats and Castro is much stronger vs LHPs. But at this point there doesn’t seem to be any logic to the catching timeshare beyond eeny, meeny, miney, mo.

by Zwill on May 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batspeed! Its all about batspeed!

Maybe they should have Jerry put on some catcher’s gear and have Santos and Castro take swings at his gut, and he can then tell us who’s generating more impact force.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1, haha

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 25, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the the catchers gear

Was part of the dream

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on May 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blah.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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