Carmela Applesauce
by Joe Budd on May 28, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
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PrintThat's right, the Mets are back in first place at 26-20 after sweeping the Nationals. And Carmela Soprano was at the park.
Meet the Mets
In what Johan Santana called "like the weirdest game ever," the Mets defeated the Nationals 7-4. Daniel Murphy collected five rbi, two of which came from a controversial go-ahead two-run home run. The home run was the fourth use of instant replay in five games for the Mets who have benefited all four times.
Manny Acta after the game:
Like today, the either need to get better feeds, more feeds, or something. I am not a geometry expert, but that sign hangs over the warning track, the upper deck. And there's no explanation for that ball hitting the upper deck, coming down, and then bouncing forward the Modell's sign. It's supposed to clear everything out, and these last two it hasn't been that way. Something has to be done, because we all just want the right call to be made.
All this talk about angles made me take a look at the replay for the second spitter as well.
Fernando Martinez is still hitless, and is not running out of the box either. Larry Brooks thinks it's symptomatic of the franchise. This fan might want to hide his new jersey after seeing that. Mike Silva encourages tempered enthusiasm for the 20 year old.
Sam does an outstanding job of highlighting some of the Mets' potential trade targets. Matt Cerrone takes a little bit more of a blockbuster approach. I wouldn't hold out much hope for Adrian Gonzalez.
Alex Cora is expecting to play a short time in Buffalo before returning early next week. That is nice.
Speaking of Buffalo, not a very positive description of Oliver Perez's first outing.
The Mets and Phillies will make up their May 3rd rainout on September 13th in a day night doubleheader.
Around the NL East
It would be pretty rough to be a Nationals fan after the last two nights. Two tough replays went against you. The entire team is on the trading block. And now the team is linked to a major steroid bust in Central Florida.
The Marlins have gotten their bonds rated for their new stadium.
On the field, the Marlins took the series from the Phillies, after winning 6-2 behind reliever turned starter Burke Badenhop. Emilio Bonifacio started at shortstop for the injured Hanley Ramirez. Philly starter Brett Myers left in the sixth inning with a hip inflammation.
Philadelphia manager Charlie Manuel has lost weight.
Randy Johnson got his 299th career victory last night, beating the Braves.
Around MLB
Voteformanny.com. Pretty self explanatory.
Grieving Scott Schoenweis returned to Chase Field to get some activity in.
The man accused of driving the car that killed Nick Adenhart was indicted.
Carlos Zambrano freaked out at the home plate umpire yesterday over a play at the plate. The Cubs have Milton Bradley, Carlos Zambrano AND Lou Piniella. That is a hot blooded team.
Former Cy Young winner Eric Gagne has signed with the Quebec Capitals in his native Canada.
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If I so much as see a picture of that woman
I can hear that grating voice in my head.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 28, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
the awesome thing is that Edie Falco doesn't sound at all like that
She’s that good an actor.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Johnson
Actually got on base at a .525 clip in a full AA season, way back when. That’s sort of amazing.
From Adam Rubin
Santana disputed the strike zone, but Manuel said Ramon Castro was set up slightly off the plate and Santana deservedly wasn’t getting the calls from plate umpire Sam Holbrook.
Way to back up your pitcher, Jerry. And he’s really looking for reasons not to like Castro.
Ugh
Yeah that’s a pretty bad example of how to support your guys.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
So, why not a little mound conference to tell Castro to set up closer, if you think that is the issue?
I wonder what the players are saying away from the press. Maybe johann is calling him out to Jerry? Regardless, jerry shouldn’t be calling him out publicly.
yeah, for serious
way to manage there jerry.
JM: something was wrong with the way one of the players was comporting himself on the field.
reporter: oh wow, lucky you spotted that early on. and so did you go out and tell the player to change his actions during the game, as many a manager would assume is thier job?
JM: HAHAHA LOLZ. yeah, thats what i did, reporter, i “managed” my players! good one! now excuse me, reporter, but i have to go plan next games effed up line up now.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on May 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
What an asshole.
I hate Jerry Manuel.
by JohnPeterson on May 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If ever there were a case to be made
against the effectiveness of PEDs, one involving the Washington Nationals would seem to get the job done.
by Zwill on May 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
carmela soprano: TOE NEE!
She was a whoo-oar, toe-nee! A whoo-oar!
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
so now we're back to the Mets NOT having grission?
That Larry Brooks article made me dumber for having read it. At least he doesn’t suggest trading Martinez for Aaron Rowand.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Oh man
I shouldn’t have read it:
The Mets are trying to shield Martinez from by limiting the amount of time he is available to the press. That’s the same approach the team took a couple of years ago with Lastings Milledge, another one whose attention span on the field seemed to come and go until he was gone in a trade to the Nationals.
It’s the same approach they took with Doc Gooden when he was a rookie, and how well did that serve him in life outside the lines?
Use hyperbole much? What a fucktard.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 28, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
or Piazza....or Reyes
Two other stars Brooks blasts for not being as small and/or white as Eckstein.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
he didn't mention eckstein
that’s a bit harsh on larry. And I really don’t think the article goes that far over the line. Yes, every team has lapses (Yankees included). No, this isn’t the biggest problem on the club, which entails having too many injuries, not good enoughy starting pitchers, or last yearnot enough good relievers.
But miss by a game 2 years in a row, and you’d think you’d try to make sure the things in your control, like running things out, don’t come back to bite you. Of course, martinez was not here for the collapses. And yes, some games can be lost on a failure to make the effort. Teams make errors all the time. Mets made 5 in a game not long ago (I am not equating an error with not trying, but suggesting you shouldn’t behave as though your opponent will make every easy play). May as well try to capitalize on miscues.
Brooks is a little ham-fisted, agreed. he should stick to getting into fights with ny rangers coaches.
I know he didn't mention Eckstein
But it goes without saying that writers who put out pointless drivel like this love players like Eckstein because, well, because Eck runs real hard to first after a walk. That’s what makes a BALLPLAYER!
This article says absolutely nothing of substance. It’s lazy writing by someone who seems to have little grasp of the game of baseball.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
but
the anti-obsession with eckstein is a bit ridiculous. He was at one point a decent player on a championship team. I might take Eck circa 2002 over Castillo, and maybe you would too.
Nowhere did Brooks suggest he would prefer bad players who hustle. He’s merely suggesting that talented players should make the basic effort. And that the Mets havea bit of a history with this thing, like all teams do, but for now it may stick out due to the close races the Mets lost the last 2 years.
Yes, the article is a thumbsucker. I suppose he could have tried to write something saying how dare the Mets fans boo tender young possible future stud Fernando Martinez. How hustle doesn’t matter. Although that take wouldn’t be very unique either. Frankly surprised he didn’t pul out the war horse Gil Hodges/Cleon Jones story.
Anyway, a New York Post article devoid of substance, fancy that.
I might take Eck circa 2002 over Castillo, and maybe you would too.
Yeah, but that’s not saying much. I’d never take Eckstein over Reyes, or Wright, or Beltran, or any of the other players on the Mets who routinely get shit on by idiots in the media like Larry Brooks. I imagine one day I’ll feel the same way about Fernando Martinez.
I suppose he could have tried to write something saying how dare the Mets fans boo tender young possible future stud Fernando Martinez. How hustle doesn’t matter.
I didn’t say he should have. I was quite pissed last night when Martinez did that, but here’s the difference between me and Brooks: I don’t see it as symptomatic of a larger problem on this team. If they miss the playoffs, it won’t be because of a lack of hustle, just as it wasn’t the last 2 years.
Martinez was contrite after the game, as he should have been. If he hits a clutch bomb tomorrow, I guarantee no one will ever bring up the play again.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks is going even further than you put it here
He seems to be suggesting that it is a problem with the entire franchise, ever. Just completely brain-melting material.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 28, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
why fight this so hard guys
you yourself agreed, rookies should run it out. veteran’s should. The Mets have had some instances of this in the past (yes, all teams have, yeah, cano dogged it some, Jeter has made mistakes). Perhaps it isn’t endemic. That’s his call and others have said so. You disagree. Why does that make people who disagree fucktards? You have a deeper knowledge of the game than larry brooks. Congrats. Yes, awful relievers, thin starting pitching, bad management decisions, bad line-ups, pudgy Luis Castillo, whatever (although isn’t that an example of someone not caring, as he himself sort of admitted), all worse than this one example that didn’t cost a game. But this type of thing CAN cost a game. And 5 days ago someone put up here a pythagorean predicition of Mets 90-72 and Phils 90-72. I just wouldn’t get so worked up about this stuff. I know, it is a bit of a theme with Phillips bashing beltran recently and fans getting on wright. Doesn’t make this point invalid. Just insipid and tiring. It’s montonous.
As for whether Martinez should be protected from the media, yeah, maybe a good idea, but can backfire. Not that i care, but not surprising that the media gets hackles up when they feel their job, such as it is, is in any way inconvenienced. So they seek revenge. ’Twas ever thus.
Because disagreeing is one thing. Being incredibly and utterly wrong is another.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
yeah
he was hyperbolic. But, Timo Perez didn’t perhaps cost the Mets a world series game? The mets didn’t lose the division by 1 game 2 years in a row? martinez didn’t fail to bust it yesterday? These things can cost a game now and then, no? The Mets are in a tight race again this year?
Again, you vehemently disagree that it is some kind of endemic problem or much of a problem at all. Fine. It’s not the be all problem of the Mets. It happened last night. he wrote about it. Some of you are kind of putting words in his mouth, making it an example of everything you hate about uninformed sportswriters or other fans in general or Steve Phillips who knocks a superstar’s heart, or whatever.
Believe me, I get it. I feel your pain. So he is holier than thou. And the same attitude can permeate the attitude of those who think exactly the opposite way. Just look at your statement. There is wrong, and then there is really wrong. Not running on a pop up isn’t a crime. neither is some hack sportwriter saying hey, run out a popup. Sheesh.
No, there isn't anything wrong with saying he should have run it out.
If he had done that and left it as is, that’s fine. Whatever. I personally think it’s a mistake he won’t make again, and it’ll be fine. I just think it’s incredibly, incredibly bad journalism to state, after 8!!!!! professional at-bats, that Fernando Martinez is a lazy player. And if you read the comments, this is why it bothers me. Not because there are stupid journalists who make stupid statements or write stupid things; every fan base has it to some degree or another. No, what bothers me is how the whole New York WFAN/NY Post/MetsBlog type of journalism affects admittedly less invested/stat comprehensive fans. How do you think it reflects on us when 95% of Mets fans wants to trade F! for a bag of baseballs because he made a mistake in his second major league game? A mistake that, while stupid, didn’t ultimately cost us the game, may I add. And then, in addition to adding to the entire culture of stupidity that seems to plague Mets reporting over all others, he uses a total of 2 or 3 instances to support his claim that every Met, every member of this organization, is lazy, incompetent, and doesn’t care. As if Derek Jeter hasn’t made a mistake before.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
he didn't say
trade fernando for a bag of baseballs. But uh-oh, his column today is much worse.
I think you're reading something into my comment that isn't there
Brooks’ thesis seems to be, “Well, I remember Piazza not running out a pop-up on occasion, and there was this one time with Timo Perez, and boy that Jose Reyes sure can dog it sometimes. I guess the trademark of being a Met is not running out a pop-up!”
Does the fact that I disagree with him make him a fucktard? No. The fact that he was inspired to put a stamp on an entire franchise based on four players, never mind the fact that there are undoubtedly hundreds of examples of players on other teams who have made the same mistake in a game at some point over the years, makes him, in my opinion, a fucktard. It’s typical lazy sportswriting and, well, it’s fun to gripe about it.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
fair enough.
Some folks might think on some teams, in some organizations, this kind of thing might be handled or dealt with in a different way. Yup. Different managers and different gms. Same owners. And yes, it happens throughout sports and throughout history. It is absolutley inconceivable in your mid that someone else might hold the different opinion that maybe some organizations might tolerate certain behavior or treat it in a different way.
Obviously, the Mets tolerate having a fairly statistically uninformed manager more than other organizations, although even Billy Beane seems to realize sometimes you just get stuck for a bit with these baseball lifers going with their gut for a bit until you can fire them and replace them.
Going afield here, but you don’t see that, if in one sense organizations might have different tolerance levels for certain things, something you abhor, someone else might feel that, hey, there may be an organizational issue here?
Deep down, i am not really disagreeing with the ultimate take on brooks’ viewpoint. But hey, i am just sticking up for a hack hockey writer who needs to make a living in the summer too. maybe he didn’t “run this one out” and lazed the article in.
OK. Sorry to beat this dead horse after i said i wouldn’t. No malice intended. y’all are a smart bunch and i just joined so i should shut up.
hey no worries man
i suppose even the worst sportswriter deserves a defense.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he was contrite
and I respected him for that. However, while no specific play may have cost the Mets a game the last 2 years, a failure to make an effort can make the difference from a win or a loss. We all agree, so why tempt fate. You set up a straw man argument against Brooks, to wit: Reyes is better than Eckstein, therefore Martinez’s singular instance last night of not hustling didn’t cost the mets the last 2 divisison titles.
thanks
I appreciate that.
The article didn’t mention Eckstein. Saying that’s the kinda thing the writer must think, that Eckstein is preferable to Martinez or Piazza or Reyes, maybe because he is white or small, I get where that comes from, but it is just a distortion of what was written. Not that the article was any great shakes. Just playing a little devil’s advocacy here, since it is obviously the opinion of the fans here that it isn’t a problem with the Mets. A legitimate viewpoint.
He's a 20 year old kid
And the New York press will eat grown men alive. To suggest that protecting him a bit in his first exposure to it amounts to coddling that will prevent him from ever taking responsibility for his actions, and hence flame out a la Milledge or Gooden, is just idiocy.
Childish, actually
But totally appropriate for a Post article. Do these guys have any formal writing experience? Or any education in general? I don’t want to know the answer.
Really, Jerry?
I thought he was talking about Fernando Fernandez
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
god, what a tool Brooks is
yeah, no Yankee has EVER failed to hustle, not on a single ball in the history of time
don't EVER read the comments to a NY Post article
they make Metsblog commenters look like a panel of Nobel laureates
Someone LITERALLY commented
Fernando Martinez is a lazy player. HOW WOULD THEY KNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!? I don’t even know! No one knows ANYTHING about him! He’s had 8 fucking at-bats!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
oh wait you read the POST comments?
I thought you meant these comments about the article. Reading that section makes you drop a couple hundred IQ points. That’s where all the stupid people on the internet hang out. You’re better than that.
Home Run ground rules at Citi
Sheff’s home run probably would have hit off the railing in front of the stands. Why should that be considered a home run just because the Mets painted an orange line on the wall? Murph’s “home run” hit off a sign on the bleachers that is probably 15 closer to home plate than the actual wall. But because it is above the orange line it’s a home run?
Why can it just be simple? Over the wall and in the stands = HR. Off the wall and into the field of play = ball in play
Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?
for a while now I've thought there should be a rule like that
The silliest park is Houston, where the umps have to call the ball above or below a line painted on the wall for home run or in play.
When I’m commissioner, every park will have to have a wall over which the ball can go. If it’s over, HR. If not, no HR.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the railing
I imagine it’s there to keep fans from reaching over the orange line and interfering with balls hit to the top of the wall (not that it worked that well in Sheffield’s case). As for the facade being closer that the wall, what are you going to do? That’s what some of these newfangled ballparks have (Citi is far from the only one). I knew it was only a matter of time before it caused a controversy.
And I still insist that Murphy’s shot was clearly a HR.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
People reach over walls all the time
It’s fan interference. You are not going to stop that by putting a railing up. If you want to stop that you would have to move the fans away from the boundaries of the field. (or the complete opposite of what the Wilpons wanted at Citi) It still doesn’t answer the question of why the determining edge of the wall is allowed to be a random orange line instead of the top of the railing.
As for the facade, I have no problem with the facade being closer. (Well I do because I think it’s stupid and was done just for the sake of quirkiness. But that’s for another topic) But I still think the rule should be, if it lands in the bleachers it’s a home run and off the facade it’s in play.
I think MLB should step in to create a little more uniformity.
maybe back when she was on OZ
i dont know about these days
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
Larry Brooks is the definition of a lazy reporter.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Larry Brooks is fail.
He’s still employed yet no longer has a purpose in serving his profession. Funny how dopes like him and Ron Borges and Bill Conlin still have their jobs despite their growing uselessness.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
Missed this one earlier
Cerrone’s take on Fernando’s brain Fart(inez):
…it was a horrible, horrible play… in some ways, i’d like to see him punished, either by not playing today…
I guess he got his wish!
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/05/28/note-f-mart-will-never-do-that-again/
Conclusive proof
that Matt Cerrone is in fact a robot (from most recent Metsblog):
The site must remain stable while while I complete an update
Emil brown
newest Met pick-up, for ptbn. He is pretty godawful, I recall. Eh. AAAA depth I suppose.
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