Mets Trade Castro To White Sox
by Eric Simon on May 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT
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The Mets have apparently traded Ramon Castro to the White Sox in exchange for RHP Lance Broadway. So, that just happened.
Broadway has a career minor league ERA of 4.10 and a WHIP of 1.43. He was the Sox's first round pick -- 15th overall -- in the 2005 draft. Omar Minaya mentioned on SNY that the Mets will send some cash to the White Sox.
Broadway has a solid 1.70 career GB/FB rate as a minor leaguer.
UPDATE: Broadway was John Sickels's #4 White Sox prospect for 2006 and 2007, He was #6 for 2008. He fell out of the Top 20 for 2009.
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sigh......
Well, we’ve got to hope to god that Santos imitates a decent major league player the rest of the year.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
king hippo, no, don’t go…. tear.
by jadelane on May 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe a MLB team makes a decision
Based on 85 PA, I pray for Santos to not become useless.
Good riddance Hippo!
by Clemenx00 on May 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar taking plays out of the Bill Bavasi playbook?
I mean, making decisions is right up his alley.
by Aeoni on May 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
85 mostly mediocre PA
and one shot off of Papelbon. How incredibly stupid.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's won 3 games.
Salami, Papelbon, tonight.
The 2009 NY Mets: WE GOT K-ROD! OMG, Putz, too! Sign Lowe! Lowe's a Brave. Sign Manny! Tim Redding, WTF? Sign Manny! Sheets or Perez? SHEETS! Perez?? Oh, Sheets is hurt -- good job, Minaya! WTF?! SIGN MANNY!
by ZaBlanc on May 30, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and... that happened.
boo.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ughhhh. WTF.
Not. Cool.
If/when (I hate being totally pessimistic) Santos’ OPS drops around or below .600, uggghhhh.
by Aeoni on May 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish he had gone to Milwaukee or another contender
The White Sox suck, and I would’ve liked to see Ramon get a chance at postseason play.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Malusis = fool and abuser of the English language
“They had to get rid of the gluttony.”
I don’t think he said that intentionally.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 29, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some guy named Eamon McAnaney
just said on Sportsnite that Santos needs to play because “they need to get some production out of the C spot.”
Where do they find these people?
by jasondg on May 29, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bye big hippo
see you at the crossroads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM
Lance Broadway is a pretty awesome name…
by hotspur on May 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome name.
That’s all I got.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broadway is someone who will not make the major league roster
He was traded with cash for someone who is one of the better catchers in MLB when healthy.
I hope only for the sake of Santos himself that he does well. If he does not, I will have the pleasure of watching Omar make an ass out of himself.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Omar Minaya pronounce "trade" like "tray"?
As in “We are pleased to announce a tray with the White Sox.”
by Eric Simon on May 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind it at all
As I said in the game thread, if Santos starts to suck, we can call up Valentin, who is as good as Castro.
by supermets on May 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Rubin says:
The Mets will pay the White Sox roughly $1.4 million, according to a source, the prorated portion of the difference between what remains on Castro’s $2.5 million deal and Broadway’s $402,500 salary at the major-league level.
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 29, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh that is just ridiculous
On talent alone, this is a loss. But paying the difference, what the fuck?
by Zwill on May 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing you've got Turk's shark teeth
They always did the trick.
by Zwill on May 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is
Castro, if you pay his salary, commands a B to B- prospect.
What an asshole.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor bastard has to back up AJ Pierzynski now
by Zwill on May 29, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He likes being a backup
That’s part of the reason why he was traded. The organization thinks he’s a lazy piece of shit.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Guillen
I think Ozzie is smarter than Jerry. He’ll see quickly that Castro is better and he’ll get more playing time. Then Castro will get hurt and Ozzie will learn how you have to take care of him.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's an idiot
I’m just saying I think he’s smarter than Jerry. This means he could fall anywhere from moderately retarded and up.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's ridiculous
if you’re paying to get rid a player and get no quality in return, there’s no way you can say it isn’t personal
someone in the clubhouse just didn’t want to see him everyday.
by hotspur on May 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the white sox at least think he's quality
but he’s young, so it’s hard to tell, right?
- Sox’s top draft choice in 2005
- looks like he got promoted young, as he’s only 25 with at least a cup of coffee the last two seasons
from:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-15-white-sox-bits-chicago-may15,0,5860513.story
WHITE SOX BITS BY MARK GONZALES
Lance Broadway solid in middle relief
Former Chicago White Sox first-round draft pick could stick
May 15, 2009
TORONTO — Lance Broadway has been a member of the White Sox bullpen for three weeks, which is a mild achievement considering the revolving door involving the 12th man on the staff the first three weeks of the season.
After pitching 2 2/3 scoreless innings Monday night in Cleveland, Broadway lowered his ERA to 3.72. He could stay on the 25-man roster as long as he fulfills his duties as a long reliever.
“It’s not out of the question he could start,” pitching coach Don Cooper said. "He hasn’t been given what I would call a real opportunity. It has been little things here and there in the past. But right now the need for us is not as a starter. We need everyone coming out of the bullpen to do their job, and he has been doing it better on a more consistent basis.
“If he can have a nice solid season in the bullpen, then he would be, in my mind, a proven major league reliever.”
Broadway, the Sox’s first-round pick in the 2005 draft, has made six relief appearances since being recalled April 25 from Triple-A Charlotte, where he was in his accustomed starting role.
by jadelane on May 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
o rly?
"If he can have a nice solid season in the bullpen, then he would be, in my mind, a proven major league reliever."
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement
by riversmccown on May 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't understand
Why a RP? Out of all the positions, why not a INF?
by cuseindahuse on May 29, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question
My mind had not penetrated to that level of stupidity yet. That’s level 80. I was still on paying the salary, which is level 53.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar gave one interview earlier in the season saying
“It’s all about growing young arms” or something like that
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found the link ... from MetsBlog
Also, he noted that, ‘it’s all about developing young pitching now,’ and he’s excited about guys like Dillon Gee, Jon Niese, Brad Holt, an others, all of whom he mentioned by name without me bringing them up.
Though this trade can be completely unrelated to this post. Just a wild guess.
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link now ... go!
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 29, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was the best available talent?
besides they got Valdez to play the infield … and he can PLAY THE INFIELD my friends.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on May 30, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what i've read
it seems like the mets were happy just to dump the salary….
by jadelane on May 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
they didn’t dump the salary
by supermets on May 29, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy is not a bad ballplayer from what little I've seen
Decent stuff…bye Hippo. Light it up over there.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on May 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But, when I see a quote like this, it makes me cringe...
"On a night like tonight when Omir Santos plays the way he has it makes the decision easy for us to keep him."
-Omar Minaya
The king of the shortsighted world. And I actually like the deal.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on May 29, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is retarded
I fucking hate the Mets organization.
by PSUdevon on May 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly surprising
But still thoroughly disappointing.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement
by riversmccown on May 29, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not even a Top 20 Prospect?!?!?!?!?
by cuseindahuse on May 29, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not for Castro.
Despite what you think, his injury history really dropped his value.
by EMSfan9 on May 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox' farm system is fairly weak
Broadway didn’t even crack the White Sox’ top 20.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/22/699896/chicago-white-sox-top-20-p
by Aeoni on May 29, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox system is VERY weak.
They have next to nothing. They make the Mets look like a combination of the Texas rangers and a band of nymphomaniacal piglets.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say the STTNG pics were getting out of hand
but I love them
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 29, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jonathan Frakes is apparently a Hippo fan
by James Kannengieser on May 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who? Where? What, what, what?
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think it has to do with the lefty-righty logic of Manuel
and his “devotion” to playing the hot hand. Can’t have two righty catchers on the bench so one of them had to do.
by EMSfan9 on May 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting fact
Broadway had been part of the proposed Jake Peavy trade this month before Peavy scotched that deal.
SO maybe Omar is stacking up prospects for a future deal for a starter/of/1b
by EMSfan9 on May 29, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm still new at this quote thing.
Top part is quote, bottom is my thoughts.
by EMSfan9 on May 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is along the lines of the thought that
“Omar can’t really be so stupid as to prefer Ollie to Lowe, he has to be playing the tough negotiator.”
He isn’t. There’ s no plan for this. There is no method here. Omar is this stupid.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were four players in that deal
Two of whom were real prospects. Broadway was a throw-in. I think his value is pretty minimal at this point. Maybe two years ago but not anymore.
by Zwill on May 29, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As per South Side Sox...
Broadway sucks. He can’t break 90 regularly and never will. He aspires to be Brian Bannister
Walks a lot of guys
Backend rotation fodder
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet. We PAID for this trade. Wtf, Omar…
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we can trade him for Ambiorix Burgos.
by James Kannengieser on May 30, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry says Omir is clutch
“He’s hit well in the clutch,” Manuel said. “There’s no panic or anxiety when he’s in those situations.”
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 30, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Jerry...
that’s completely inaccurate. I don’t panic or become anxious when David Wright or Carlos Beltran or Jose Reyes are in those situations…because they’re GOOD PLAYERS.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't panic or become anxious, that means you are also clutch!
squid92 for cleanup hitter!
Mets solution: get Tokuchi Toua (ace starting pitcher, 1B, cleanup hitter AND manager).
by Michkin on May 30, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get anxious
b/c if they don’t succeed (which they won’t, 60% of the time), I’m afraid the front office will use that as an excuse to trade one of them for Jermaine Dye
by cjmulrain on May 30, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so long, Hippo
I can’t believe this is how it ends. I was watching Omir Santos’ GWRBI! and said to my friends- “This is the end of Ramon Castro on the Mets. Too bad.”
Hippo! I wish him all the best. Omir! Please keep proving us wrong.
Lance Broadway? You have a rad porn name. Good luck with that.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 30, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the new Mets porn star
…finally replacing the last one we had, Royce Ring.
by erich10031 on May 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets are an absolute Kakistocracy
look it up.
by PSUdevon on May 30, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm cool with this trade
Santos appears to be a player. I’m not concerned. Castro was hurt a lot and his glove work behind the plate has not been up to par.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on May 30, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, you're wrong.
Omir Santos’ MiLB line is DECIDEDLY WORSE than Castro’s MLB line. Santos has an AWFUL OBP, and will regress towards the mean sooner rather than later. He’s a AAA player. Period.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
Santos is a bad AAA player. Period.
HE COULD BE A GOOD MLB PLAYER, WE JUST DON’T KNOW
by T Pac on May 30, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of stuff does Broadway have?
Please tell me has a mid-90s fast ball and decent slider/curve and that he just need to coral his stuff. Please.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on May 30, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does not break 90s consistently.
Walks a lot of guys.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broadway
Broadway works 88-91 with a sinking fastball that does a decent job of getting groundballs. The reports suggest a plus curve, but his low strikeout rate suggests he either doesn’t get ahead of hitters enough to use it or it isn’t as good as advertised. He also throws a meh changeup.
As squid said, the control is mediocre.
by Alex Nelson on May 30, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't like this trade.
Once Santos begins to regress towards his career averages, as he most likely will, we’ll be in trouble. As he continues to swing at 35 percent of the pitches that are out of the strike zone, we’ll see how highly Santos and Manuel think of him in about a month. Sadly, I doubt it occured to them that once pitchers do some scouting and video review of Santos, they’ll be able to identify his weaknesses and exploit them
by njmetfan12 on May 30, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so the biggest question that no one is talking about is:
what happens when Schneider comes back and either A) is terrible or B) gets hurt again?
All of a sudden, without considering how good Santos isn’t, we’re back to one catcher. Javier Valentin, I guess, although the team will probably call up Cancel somehow. But seriously, if all you can do is pay someone else to take Castro, why bother to trade him? Play with three catchers or something – just don’t be a douche.
on the other hand, as long as the differences are only like 1.5 wins between all the players, you can honestly say that Santos lucked into winning us 3 games. so win? but all in all, it’s a stupid organizational move.
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by wrightHOF on May 30, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not the night to be anti-Omir
You guys have been whining (yes, whining) about Omir — we’re talking about the backup catcher here. He’s won us THREE games this year. And tonight is not the night to bust on the guy because, last I checked, he had the only RBI’s for the Mets.
Look, you guys love Castro, but Castro has done nothing for the Mets besides be a backup catcher. He can have his shot in Chicago. Aside from some occassional pop, he’s never supplied too much in the timely hitting department and he’s often hurt. We’re not trading Johnny Bench, fellas.
Get over it. Omir has provided some big-time situational hitting in a short amount of time. Give the man some credit for crying out loud. Jesus.
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by ZaBlanc on May 30, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's not about Omir
It’s about the front office’s inability to properly value players. We had 3 catchers of varying value, and the front office dumped the MOST valuable one because it honestly believes that 1 AB against Papelbon (and spare me tonight’s heroics given that this deal was probably done before game time and that his game-winning hit is caught by the SS if Sheffield isn’t on 3rd and the infield is in) negates the data from thousands of minor league ABs.
The front office is run by incompetents and this move proves it. As long as that is the case, this team won’t be able to consistently win because Atlanta and Philadelphia most certainly are not run by incompetents.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 30, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta still thinks Jeff Francouer is the future
and Ruben Amaro Jr. hasn’t impressed me. I wouldn’t be so sure they’re not being run by incompetents too.
by cjmulrain on May 30, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta is weird
It’s like they know what to do but they have some sort of weird loyalty to homegrown local talent, whether they deserve that loyalty or not. And they’ve made some mistakes in mis-judging the market, ie with Tex. But overall I think their front office is much better than ours, when you look at what they’ve been able to do with scouting and developing, like knowing Johnson would be more valuable at 2nd than in the outfield, where as we seem to think a player who doesnt have the bat to play in the outfield should be at first… and the free agents they’ve signed, the handling of the bullpen, although they’ve been burned by injuries, and having a manager that can at least make sense.
by Gina on May 30, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
assuming you're talking about Murphy
I don’t think they moved him to 1B because they think he doesn’t have the bat to play a corner outfield position, I think they moved him to 1B because they were (right or wrong) unhappy with his defense in LF.
by JoshNY on May 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I wasn't saying thats why they moved him
My point was kind of that it idea of offensive expectations from positions doesn’t seem to even occur to them. He’s a big kid (which I guess means to them he can’t play defense) with enough of a bat to be league average so lets put him at the only position a league average bat isn’t good enough for. Where as The Braves thought a league average bat lets put him at a position where league average is considered perfect.
by Gina on May 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone appreciates what he's done.
But how about we, for once, make a decision that reflects FUTURE PERFORMANCE? Like signing Derek Lowe over Oliver Perez, or keeping Ramon Castro over a sure-to-regress Omir Santos, or signing a starting corner outfielder who’s a proven player, or building up more depth in the minors because our team was an injury risk? It actually isn’t about Santos or Castro. It’s just indicative of how the management thinks, and how they evaluate players. And frankly, it scares me. A lot.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future performance??
Do you realize we’re the MINORITY of Mets fans? The vast vast majority are New Yorkers, who demand we win and win now because the window on our talent is closing. So let’s stop getting all worked up over who’s keeping things warm behind the plate (which is all this is) and look at the fact that we have a catcher in the backup slot who has proven he can hit major league pitching.
Side note to Ian: the difference between the minors and majors is such that the only thing I trust to project MLB success is MLB success. That’s why I don’t mind Omir Santos staying and why I think this blog’s obsession with Fernand.000 Martinez is a little weird, eh?
by WWORDuke on May 30, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need an edit button
What I mean by this is that neither Castro nor Santos will be the difference between winning and losing a title, which is all that the Mets are thinking about right now.
by WWORDuke on May 30, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not
But it’s a sign of how incompetent this front office is. They just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no idea how to properly value players.
And please tell me that that comment about Fernado Martinez is in jest. Please don’t tell me that you think a 20-year-old’s first 2 games in the majors are indicative of anything.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on May 30, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm.... What?
Your F! comment invalidates everything you said, which made some sense. But seriously…what? He’s a 20 year old who mashes in AAA…again, huh?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
when Tim Lincecum was ripping up the minor leagues two years ago and then came up and was merely decent, you thought he wasn’t going to become a really good pitcher b/c he didn’t dominate the majors right away?
by cjmulrain on May 30, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, seriously.
Wieters went 0-4 yesterday. Obviously, he isn’t ready.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really
Santos over Castro could be the difference of one or two games in the end. How many games did we lose the division by the last two years? It could definitely make a huge difference. It’s hard to make up wins during the season, but the Mets proved you can definitely give them away.
by BlackOps on May 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“the difference between the minors and majors is such that the only thing I trust to project MLB success is MLB success. That’s why I don’t mind Omir Santos staying and why I think this blog’s obsession with Fernand.000 Martinez is a little weird, eh?”
So what you’re saying is that we might as well not have any prospects right? Because they’ve done nothing at the major league level?
and if F! gets hits in his next 4 at bats, he’ll be hitting .364. In which case you can say he’s a star, right? 8 PA’s do not mean anything…
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by wrightHOF on May 30, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, and
a .300 OBP is not MLB success. I dare say that’s the opposite of MLB success.
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by Lefti on May 30, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The F! thing *was* a joke.
It’s obviously too soon to say anything about him. But it’s also too soon to say anything about Santos. Again, though, it’s a BACKUP CATCHER! I’d take .300 OBP from a backup at a position where there’s not supposed to be any good hitting to begin with. Santos doesn’t need value over replacement player — he is the replacement player. So again I say, why are we acting like we just lost the pennant with this trade?
by WWORDuke on May 30, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We just pissed away about 2/3rds of a win
That is the difference between what we can expect from Castro and Santos from here on out.
You might think it’s no big deal, but an organization that is prone to giving away wins on the margins is the type of organization that can fleece a Santana and have nothing to show for it in the win column…because we gave away his marginal wins…on the margins.
In perspective, this move is about 100 times more detrimental than F! not running out that fly ball. It’s 10,000 times more detrimental than F! not running out any given popup.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 30, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
This is basically Jesus Flores part 2. We piss away a valuable player for no reason. This entire organization needs to be completely gutted in terms of management.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 30, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post is everything that is wrong with the Mets' way of thinking.
by JohnPeterson on May 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Proven he can hit major league pitching."
We’ll see how well he hits major league pitching come July.
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by squid92 on May 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once and for all
Ramon Castro is a better player than Omir Santos, all things being equal. But alas, they are not.
Ramon Castro is also a 33 year old injury prone player who maybe has 1 or 2 years left before he falls over, breaks his leg and gravy falls out, ending his career.
I think the Castro era is defined by a quote from the Willie era: Q- “Can Castro be your starting catcher?” A- “If he wanted to be”.
This is a player that has not played in more than 50 games since 2005 and has only once had a season with more than 144 at bats. The guy has only started over 43 games once in his career.
He has a .311 career OBP in limited action. Give it a rest.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on May 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So...you're saying Omir Santos is clutch?????
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in that paragraph did I say that?
I’m saying that Castro wore out his welcome by not stepping up and his value was far lower than anyone here is willing to admit.
People here are, on many topics, sheep. Because the people who make the majority of the posts claim that “Omir Santos is not a Major League Player”, that in turn becomes “Ramon Castro is so much more valuable”. I don’t believe that to be the case.
Now, picking up all of his salary for a fringe major leaguer, that’s another matter all together that I can certainly not defend the organization on.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on May 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, it was a joke on my part.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 30, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on this
I liked Castro. I didn’t like this trade. I think Castro would be better than Santos over the course of the season. But this is not the Tom Seaver trade, this is trading a good backup catcher b/c our GM likes a lesser backup catcher. At the end of the day, they’re both backup catchers. Sadly, we don’t really have a quality starting catcher, but that doesn’t mean Castro is one. This is projected to cost us 3/4 of a win over the course of the season, but the very night of the trade Santos won a game they would have lost had he not played, so doesn’t that pretty much work out to a net win?
by cjmulrain on May 31, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
It doesn’t exactly work like that. But overall, I agree. It isn’t a big deal of a trade. But it was absolutely a stupid one, and if these are the types of trades we’ll be making this year, I fear for our franchise.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t agree with the projected win theory. How many games has Ramon won for us this year? I don’t recall any off hand. Santos has won 2 in the last week. The argument about Castro’s 2% greater OBP is negated by the fact that the guy probably would get thrown out at the plate scoring from 1st on a triple.
I don’t think that Santos will tank as bad as everyone else, but if he does, Javier Valentin is waiting in the wings. I don’t know that the Front Office valued Ramon as much as he should have been, but he certainly was not as valuable as most here seem to think.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on May 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's that valuable.
You just shouldn’t give up value for no reason and for no return.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making the argument that
“Santos has won us 3 games” is pretty fallacious, though. You’re insinuating that Castro couldn’t have gotten the GW hit in any of those situations, or at least gotten a hit. It’s a pretty weak argument to make, but if you want to make it, fine. How about April 29th, when Santos pinch-hit for Castro with Sheffield and Beltran in scoring position, and popped out? Didn’t he cost us that game, a game in which Castro had already had 2 hits? Or May 13, when he popped out to end the 11th inning vs. the Braves, who scored the winning run in the top of the 12th? You could argue that Santos cost us that game, too. Even if Valentin winds up taking Santos’ spot on the roster, “We have a third guy in AAA who can replace Santos if the deal blows up in our faces” is not a reason to make this trade.
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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