When you win you have energy and passion. When things aren't going so well it's easy to pick apart things like that.
David Wright following Monday's 6-4 win over the Braves when asked whether he sensed more passion and energy in the dugout.
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Do they win b/c there's passion and energy, or is there energy and passion b/c they win?
It’s like the chicken or the egg, only with an obvious answer.
Absolutely
The thing is, its very easy to fit these things into the overall narrative. So when the narrative is one of disappointment, such as that of the Mets for the last two years and a month, anything that fits into that narrative becomes highlighted, whether its actually related or not. Conversely, the things that don’t fit the narrative, even if they’re legitimately encouraging signs, get largely ignored.
by Mark Himmelstein on May 4, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Great example of narratives --
Jimmy Rollins winning the ’07 MVP.
Exactly
And this is exactly why writers shouldn’t be counted on as the best judges of talent.
by Mark Himmelstein on May 4, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup -- Cerrone actually echoed the point
I like how things such as ‘edge,’ ‘heart,’ and ‘passion,’ do not dominate the discussion when the team actually pitches, catches, throws and hits the ball well.
So, the question is, why does he constantly bring up things such as “edge,” “heart,” and “passion,” if he knows it’s bullshit?
Forces outside of his control
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on May 4, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
that's why I put the spider legs
from now on all bad GM’s have spider legs
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
That's beautiful, but there's other forces at work
by All Shook Down on May 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
because
Cerrone’s an idiot. I used to be a loyal Metsblog reader, but I can’t stand the guy anymore. It’s nothing against him, but he’s just not very good. I can only imagine how absolutely fricking incredible AA would be if you had the same resources available to Cerrone. This here is a place for actual baseball and statistical debate. There, it’s just a hodgepodge of idiocy.
by DevonEdwards on May 4, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like Cerrone wasn't always that bad
It seems like he’s gotten exponentially worse in like the last year.
He's always been intellectually lazy
It was just less exposed when the team wasn’t laboring under two years and a month of disappointment. But he’s never responded to debate or criticism at all well; he wants to feel what he feels and have a soapbox for his feelings.
no problem with that
that’s what a blog is for, afterall, but I don’t think he’s dealt with the success as well as he could have. Still, I refuse to hate on him, he’s pretty much living the dream – I don’t know many Met fans who wouldn’t switch places with him.
Can't hate on his biz acumen
He came up with a successful formula and built a really successful enterprise. There’s nothing wrong with Cerrone on that front. He’s just not any good at discussing baseball and there’s nothing wrong with criticizing him for that.
by All Shook Down on May 4, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh that's what I'm saying
He has an AWESOME opportunity, one that we’d pretty much dream of: to get paid to talk and write about the Mets, but he completely ruins it. Whenever he goes on SNY or has that stupid Metsblog minute, I’m just dumbfounded that that’s what he’s using it for. When he participates in these team by team roundups, he gives the worst possible answers. It’s not that he doesn’t care about the team, or that he isn’t a knowledgeable Mets fan, it’s just that he’s not a very good spokesman for the team, for our fanbase, or for anything really. It’s really a shame that he enjoys an embarrassment of riches while far superior sites, like AA, flounder in relative obscurity.
by DevonEdwards on May 4, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to have his job
but I hate that it’s him that has the job and the soapbox that goes along with it. The dude registered an awesome website name.
by jasondg on May 4, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Cerrone's an idiot
I think he’s fan who started a website and ended up in a very good place with it. He certainly doesn’t engage in the type of analysis that goes on here but he’s a good dude and doing well with the niche he’s carved out for himself. And, hey, it’s not like SNY was gonna use a stats-based Mets blog as its blogging representative on the interwebs; I imagine there are a lot worse websites that could have ended up as the blogging home of the New York Mets (or whatever they call it).
That said, his “I can’t trust this team anymore” bit was the last thing I’ll read on there for a while.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You got half of it right
I don’t think SNY was banking on their Mets-bloggin’ syndicate to share half-witted ideals with the Joel Sherman, Jon Heyman and the other print media twits either.
Remember new media vs. print media?
by All Shook Down on May 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get the correlation
That “edge” narrative is better written elsewhere, so how does that drum up page views? In my opinion, a team in turmoil is better for media-related business anyway — regardless of content. So why not make the content good?
by All Shook Down on May 5, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the old ESPN trick
spend a week writing 77 columns about PacMan Jones, Micheal Vick, Brett Favre, in a week. Then, ahve Rick Reilly and Steven A Smith Write columns about how the “media” has given too much coverage to Jones, Vick, Favre, whatever.
It’s called “we have nothing of value to add to the conversation so we’ll just make something up to fill space”
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I had to throw him the garbage last week when he posted Ted Berg’s Mind Games piece. He quoted a really awesome excerpt from it, summarized it and credited Berg for making an excellent point, but then completely crapped on it by giving his own stupid ass opinion which essentially represented what Berg was railing against. And it wasn’t like a point-counterpoint kind of thing either.
part of it is the fundamental approach to being a fan
part of it is just being intellectually braindead.
cerrone’s writing is pretty awful and his opinions can be kind of annoying, but the worst part about the site is it just plain bores the hell out of me.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
It's essentially a Mets news aggregator.
The blog has always been more quality over quantity. I would imagine it would be hard to consistently come up with 5,743 insightful posts per day.
Strike that, reverse it.
Quality over quantity on Metsblog? Egads!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I'm sure he meant the other way around.
Brian Schneider has been placed on the 15-day disabled list with a sore right calf.
…hiii I think this is a very good move……whenever i’m with my girlfriend she always talks about how slow he is….and you know she’s right….and a calf injury makes it worse…get well….get ’em on,get ’em over, get ’em in…….
by All Shook Down on May 5, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not a writer... i'm a fan...
that’s why i use so many g.d. elipses….even though i am an SNY employee now… i’m not trying to be a part of the mainstream media…. i just want to repeat banal platitudes until my fingers fall off…. and as always…. let’s go mets….
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
Opinion: The you know what is hitting the fans
….I get the sense that the fans are really starting to feel the pressure of two straight collapse…its kind of a trickle down effect from the players…people have been leaving nasty emails and comments about my style of writing and you know, what, that’s fine because this is an open forum for discussion, this is after all, the grand central station for all things Mets…i’m going to be at Citi Field today and will be walking around asking the fans what they think of our style of writing here at MetsBlog….also, i will be posting some questions on twitter, so be sure to leave some feedback there…
by All Shook Down on May 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that was too good...
…Cerronne?
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
Poll: Is this Cerrone?
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by All Shook Down on May 6, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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