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I'm sure I'm just overreacting, but the fever this morning is kind of freaking me out. Anyway, I hope that my sentences are relatively coherent.

Meet the Mets

Carlos Beltran is awesome. Oliver Perez, not so much. Wondering what Perez was talking about with JJ Putz in the bullpen last night? Metstradamus was there.

Besides Santana, the Met pitching has been incredibly wild. Maine, while throwing a strong game, walked 6 Braves in last night's victory. The Mets have now walked 102 batters, 4th most in the league. Once again, thank God for Johan Santana. NY Sports Dog and Metsblog are both speculating about the Mets trading for a top of the line starter (Halladay/Cliff Lee). 

Casey Fossum has wound up with the Yankee farm team in Scranton

In more important minor league news, Fernando Martinez homered in yesterday's Bison victory

Relatively old news, but with Delgado back in the lineup yesterday and Applesauce taking a sick day, thought I'd let you all know that Delgado could remain injured all year.

Armando Benitez is looking to sign a deal with the Newark Bears

Around the NL East

Rick Ankiel was carted off the field after this play as the Phillies beat the Cardinals 6-1. Watching that play brings up a good sportsmanship question. Should Pedro Feliz have tried to get the inside the park home run after noticing Ankiel had been knocked unconscious? Did he even notice?

The Nationals beat the Astros 9-4, making a winner out of John Lannan

The Marlins beat the Reds on a 14th inning throwing error by Paul Janish in front of a sparse "crowd." Meanwhile, Jorge Cantu was named the NL player of the week last week.  

Around MLB

Zack Greinke is also good

A-Rod is looking to come back on Friday.

 

That is all. I'm going home.

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Zack Greinke:

Things can only go way up or way down from here. From that USA Today article:

Greinke made short work of Jim Thome during Ks in the middle innings, then got Chicago’s slugger to pop up for the final out, joining Bret Saberhagen (1987) and Jose Lima (2003) as the only pitchers in franchise history to win their first six decisions.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That Reds error to give the Marlins the win...

It would have been a pretty controversial time to call this, but Hanley Ramirez was way outta the basepath to break up the double play and force the bad throw. He, like, completely changed direction in front of the bag to go after the shortstop and ended nowhere near second.

Whatevs, I guess.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on May 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

that was pretty blatant, but only the Mets get burned by calls like that late in games (Wright in Atlanta, Marlon Anderson in Philly).

by Mount17 on May 5, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind.

Found it on ESPN. That’s ridiculous. There’s no way in hell that play was legal. At least Marlon went THROUGH the bag to interfere. Hanley was nowhere near.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should Feliz have gone home?

I was playing shortstop for a softball team a few years ago. Batter hit a ball, runner at 1st was going to 2nd. She would have been in easily only her knee gave (she’d had a number of surgeries on it) and she collapsed about a foot short of the bag. Throw comes in from the outfield, I grab it, but then start calling to the other teams bench to have someone come out and help her.

My pitcher starts screaming at me to tag her. I just looked at him funny, threw the ball back to him, and said “No.” Then I helped her to her feet.

A game is a game, bitches.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 5, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You were correct.

However Feliz should have gone home. Different situations.

"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner

by dissento on May 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

You see in a soccer match, if there’s a severely injured player on the field, the other team will kick it out for a stoppage or something. There’s something to be said for sportsmanship.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but thats because the ref doesnt stop time for inuries

and theres a pretty good chance the opposing team will need the favored returned that same game. i dont know how that compares to this freak accident though, i didnt see what happened. i’d like to think the mets would persue victory with a ruthless efficiency, at least when they are playing an NL east rival.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on May 5, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar story

I was pitching in my softball league with my company and when the ball was put into play I covered home , awaiting the throw from the outfield. This woman, running from second, made the turn from third and then, for some reason, fell about half way down the base path. After I caught the ball, I went over to her, tagged her and helped her up. She was fine and continued to play. At first, I was yelled at for tagging her, but since I helped her up, the other team was fine with it. And, they were hitting the crap out of me but thats another story.

by meigs1414 on May 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's one thing if they're injured....

…but, in your case, she just fell over. That’s purely excusable. If you slip, you’re out.

by Lunkwill Fook on May 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please please please please

don’t trade anything important for Cliff Lee.

Greinke is amazing.

by jasondg on May 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing about Feliz

I don’t think he knew what had happened. Not to mention the fact that ankiel had transferred the ball to his throwing hand and had it there all the way until he was knocked out. It then became clear that the left fielder was more concerned with checking on Ankiel than with picking up the ball. At that point, it’s probably best to stop running.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

He should keep running until an ump calls time. There’s no way to know what the deal is.

Remember that awesome play from ‘86? When Dykstra and Mookie collided horiffically, but Dykstra held on to the ball? The guy who hit it (and didn’t know whether or not he was out) circled all the bases despite seeing both players lying still in the outfield.

"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner

by dissento on May 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Feliz Scenario

Last summer I was watching England play New Zealand in an extremely close cricket match that was eventually decided on the last ball of the game. With seven Kiwis already out chasing a score of 245 runs, a Kiwi batsman, Grant Elliott, is inadvertently laid out by an English player after striking the ball. While Elliott is on the ground, the English run him out. In that scenario, the English captain has the option of calling the batsman back or keeping the out. He kept the out. The New Zealand bench explodes, most of the crowd boos and, thankfully, New Zealand wins the match. After the game, the media from both countries slaughter England’s captain and he later steps down from the captaincy.

After being witness to that event, I’ll always err on the side of caution when an opposing player is hurt on the field.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 5, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

What the hell were you talking about?

Who scored a blurn in that scenario?

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on May 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

See, this is why the Phillies are teh awes0me and the Mets are teh sux0r.

Only a team with real heart and grit would care so much about winning the game.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Cliff Lee

Too early to say that his 2008 season was a fluke? I say no, and I also say he is not a “top of the line starter” as Metsblog seems to be saying.

by JoshNY on May 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

he was an awesome pitcher last year, period

I’d trade some big prospects for what Cliff Lee did last year, wins or not. Still, I doubt he’s ever gonna replicate that, and I don’t think he’s an ace.

by cjmulrain on May 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, for sure

he’d be a big lift for us, but he’s not a guy I want to trade the future for. Whether the Mets actually have guys who qualify as the “future” is a different question.

by jasondg on May 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd trade Marte for him

so the Indians would have both Martes.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 5, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

and he’s actually been awesome in AAA so far.

by Gina on May 5, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he's hitting 27% LD

And his BABIP is down to .333 for this month, although it’s only 12 PA, and he’s still hitting the crap out of the ball.

by Gina on May 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

right, certainly he was awesome last year

but his peripherals were WAY better than his career performance (K/BB 5.00, double his career rate of 2.50), plus a very low HR/FB rate, plus a GB% nearly 10% better than his career average. sure, if you think he’s the pitcher he was last year, that’s great, but 2003-2007 Cliff Lee is not a #1 starter, probably not even a #2.

by JoshNY on May 5, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think to an extent he's a fluke but he's still a very good pitcher

I think both him and Lester aren’t as good as their numbers said last year but they’re still 1/2 type pitchers, just not on a Halladay/Santana type level.

by Gina on May 5, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lester has 43K/12BB

in 37 IP this year

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Grr, Metsblog.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

My school is closed for a week because of the pig flu.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Have a BLT

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on May 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

A tasty combo!

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on May 5, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are there any younger options?

I think Halladay is awesome and I think Lee at worse will still be much better than what we have. But I’m really not excited about trading a whole number of prospects, and I imagine any trade for a front line pitcher would effectively wipe out our system since I don’t think anyone of our prospects, or maybe even two, are well like enough/far along enough to carry a package by themselves, for a pitcher already in our about to enter his 30s, especially when Halladay’s contract is near expiring.

by Gina on May 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel better bo!

I’m just getting over something myself, I was a little worried but its clearing up.

by Mark Himmelstein on May 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Also re: swine flu

I had to share a hilarious conversation I had with a friend.

Gina’s friend (3:19:17 PM): 200 ppl get swine fly n everyonewants to wear a mask
Gina (3:19:23 PM): lol
Gina’s friend (3:19:32 PM): 1 million peole get aids n no one wants to wear a condom
Gina’s friend (3:19:38 PM): Isn’t that wierd

by Gina on May 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair...

Last week I went to the emergency room with a high fever. They made me put on a mask because I was also coughing. I don’t know what I would have done if they made me put on a condom.

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on May 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche.

Well done, sir.

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on May 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Masks don't even prevent swine flu

is the punch-line

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on May 5, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and dont forget 36,000+ people die from regular flu in the US every year

that stat is on the CDC website. you can google it. thats 35,999 more people than who died from swine flu so far. just another fun fact for the day.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on May 5, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Discussion on SNY right now is titled

Mets Last Night
Did they have the “edge”?

Everyone is nodding and agreeing that because the Mets came back from down 3 runs last night, they showed “edge”.

by Joamiq on May 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Do they even sense any irony at all in this?

Are they at all self-conscious of how ridiculous they look? Is there a trace of self-awareness?

I will not allow the denigration of the life essence

by GenJackRipper on May 5, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

They think this is serious analysis. They were earnestly talking about various signs of “edge”, and then the fact that they came back was used as the final matter-of-fact, indisputable piece of evidence that indeed the Mets were playing with “edge” last night.

One of them is also arguing that Robinson Cano is a better player than Carlos Beltran. “Look at the stats!” he bleats.

by Joamiq on May 5, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm

what stats, exactly?

by cjmulrain on May 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was pointing to Cano's runs scored so far this year

and saying that that gave him the edge over Beltran. Seriously.

by Joamiq on May 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puke

(loses faith in humanity)

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on May 5, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just awful

This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time.

by cjmulrain on May 5, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job by Feliz not to go home

He had ample time to turn around and assess the situation, and he did. If the game situation were different, if the throw were coming in quickly and the rest of the team besides the guy on the ground were still actively playing, he could go for it. But here, the way he slowed down and turned around, if he then ran home, with his team up 6-1 in the 8th, it would have been a dick move.

by Joamiq on May 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Feliz

They gave Ankiel the catch, so it wasn’t a triple and it couldn’t have been an ITPH.

by supermets on May 5, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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