Manny Ramirez Suspended for 50 Games
by Joe Budd on May 7, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
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Due to testing positive for performance enhancing drugs. What did Omar know and when did he know it?
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Oh God
note to self- Avoid ESPN for the next week
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Between this and the Brett Favre bullshit
Yeah, definitely avoid ESPN
by James Kannengieser on May 7, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Although I would be interested in a Simmons piece on this.
I mean, he has to write a piece on this right? After that long piece on defending Manny during the trade to LA, he would have to right?
by meigs1414 on May 7, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris McKendry on SportsCenter:
“I was wondering what it would take to get Brett Favre out of the headlines.”
by Prince on May 7, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que Lastima!
Wow was not expecting this. I figured Ortiz would be the guy from that Boston team, not Manny.
by meigs1414 on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar
May have made a GREAT decision not to pursue Manny
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I wasnt caught in the Web Nanny's clutches,
I would love to go to the other Mets blog and see the reaction to this news from all the “MANNY MANNY MANNY” crowd. Lol, over and over again.
by TBlz on May 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought
is that this is coming from some anti-anxiety med he takes. Let’s wait and see.
by jasondg on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it was something as simple as that....
…he would have gotten it approved of by MLB. I highly doubt it was something as simple as that.
by Lunkwill Fook on May 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Ramirez is always cautious and thinks about his actions
He totally would have proactively asked MLB to approve an anti-anxiety med
by ams258 on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he didn’t, he’s a moron and deserves it. More likely, his doctor should have known. I doubt his doctor is unaware of drug policies.
by Lunkwill Fook on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If he didn’t, he’s a moron and deserves it."
Wow, heavy-handed much?
by SQUAD on May 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistic?
I don’t know what that has to do with: “He deserved it.”
by SQUAD on May 8, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have gotten it approved by MLB
JC Romero got what he was taking approved by the players union didn’t he?
by Gina on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep he got it approved
And then three months after he was tested MLB decided to inform players it was no longer allowed.
by Gina on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what happened.
The substance in the drug was banned. What screwed Romero over was that the company that manufactured it wasn’t 100% truthful about it and MLB didn’t entirely know either.
by Lunkwill Fook on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ADHD meds or weed?
This article suggests Adderall is on the list: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090109&content_id=3738486&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
I dunno about Ritalin.
The ESPN article omits any mention of “PED” and just says banned drugs. That made me think of medical marijuana, which is legal in CA.
by hotspur on May 7, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Adderall is an amphetamine, Ritalin is not, and speaking as someone who was prescribed Ritalin for over a year, I doubt it would be quite as useful to ballplayers. Very dehydrating, more like caffiene but without the same level of pick-me-up. It was good for studying or writing a 20 page paper in 48 hours, but definitely doesn’t make you feel good the way adderall does.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good thing we opted for the condo
instead of the mansion.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
HELLO HELLO MR. WILPON?????
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on May 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
The mansion has been forclosed
by Endys Game on May 7, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
subtitles for the in-joke impaired
Since I just went back to re-read it and am still LOLing, and since non-regular readers might be scratching their heads at this point, here’s a link to the original.
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reminded me
how seriously I was considering getting a Tuuu Timp jersey. Might have to revisit that!
by deadspy3 on May 8, 2009 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA, nice.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May 18-20th
Just in time for some road wins.
by cuseindahuse on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be nice
Loving the fact that this happened one week before the Mets go to LA
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” Ramirez said. "Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907
Seems especially weird that he’d waive his chance to appeal the suspension if this is true.
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't it be a Phillies player?
Looking at you ~40 Raul Ibanez
by cuseindahuse on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it had been Rollins, Vic Torino, Utley, etc.
that would have made my year.
by Prince on May 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Their steroid
is heart, and they are all testing positive for it.
by jasondg on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Torino would be the best
I’m tired of his gritty, little league helmet style of play.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on May 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would still prefer little David
If we’re going to list players we wish had tested positive for steroids just to expose the hypocrisy of sportswriters’ man-crushes:
1. David Eckstein
2. Victorino
3. Eddie Glaudel
4. Greg Maddux
5. Jeter, obviously — if not him, Scott Brosius
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha Eddie Glaudel?
Do you mean the little person who Bill Veeck sent up for one plate appearance a long time ago?
by James Kannengieser on May 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course!
That would be the funniest positive steroid test result ever.
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, already corrected, sorry
Time that with his strange excuse
Pardoned Manny for his abuse
And will pardon Eddie Gaedel,
Pardon him for hitting well.
(with a thousand apologies to Auden)
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, my bad
didn’t see the correction until after I typed mine because it was lower down
by JoshNY on May 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul O'Neil
But only if someone could be at the league office with a camcorder when he goes there to throw a hissy-fit so they could put it on youtube.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, sorry
Eddie Gaedel. May his name never be forgotten.
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it wasnt this
it would be something else. to all those who pilloried the mets for not getting manny … well, speak up now and eat words!!
by metsexile on May 7, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a report first before you pillory those who pilloried the Mets?
by SQUAD on May 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you must not understand the world wide of webs
unpredictable, chance events are always great time to declare post hoc victory over those with different opinions at some point in the past! They have to eat their words! It’s so fulfilling!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why Al Gore invented it
by James Kannengieser on May 7, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guys I am being super DUPER Serial!
I totally invented the internet.
by meigs1414 on May 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I invented grammar and spelling
and I’m not thrilled with what you’re doing to it.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
This is a little strange, and I’m tempted to give Manny the benefit of the doubt. Unless there’s some really, really sketchy business going on with alerting stars about the “random” tests, or Manny has been going through Will Carroll’s Dr. X contact or something, it just seems strange that he would test positive now and not ever before.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Though to be clear
By “give Manny the benefit of the doubt” I simply mean that I think this is a case of Manny being Manny and not a case of an athlete using steroids or PEDs to enhance his baseball career. However, I’m sure this is on him for not properly consulting the authorities about the substance he was taking. Somehow, the terms “Manny” and “due diligence” just don’t fit together.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Will Carroll on Manny:
UPDATE 3: Ramirez’s statement issued through the MLBPA indicates that Ramirez will not appeal his suspension and that he received the banned substance from a doctor. Ramirez was suspended under section 8.G.2 of the Joint Drug Agreement, which is "other." In his statement, there’s no clear statement that Ramirez ever tested positive. Combined, those two facts point to a non-testable drug, but this is not confirmed. The only other known 8.G.2 suspension was Jordan Schaefer.
Maybe I was wrong. Could it be HGH? Then maybe this was an ongoing thing.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
curioser and curioser
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The players’ association said Ramirez was suspended by the commissioner under the “just cause” provision of section 8.G.2 of the joint drug agreement. That allows players to be penalized for use, sale or distribution of banned substances, even where the agreement doesn’t specify a particular penalty, such as for a positive test.
by hotspur on May 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that's it
this is gonna break the internet
Source: Ramirez’s substance a sexual enhancer
A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not "an agent customarily used for performance enhancing." At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.
by hotspur on May 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said before
Is there any way I can un-read that?
Eww.
by meigs1414 on May 7, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord
how can you suspend a guy for that kind of effort?
Anyway, I kind of hope this is the actual story. It would really just make Manny into a legend.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
However, two sources told ESPN’s T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG — human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women’s fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body’s natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.
by SQUAD on May 7, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible.
The sexual enhancer would have been much funnier
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the sex drive enhancer is a good cover story
if it jump-starts testosterone production, it might make you frisky
does anybody know if HCG is actually prescribed to guys who’ve got some saggin’ in their dragon?
by hotspur on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some (WHAT RHYMES WITH BONER) their boner?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some people really jumped the gun around here--this is why you'd give Omar a pass?
But along with everlovin’ Peter Gammons, who’s report practically screamed not guilty, I’m waiting for evidence.
Plus, if the 86 Mets had viagra, they wouldv’e spent less time in the clubhouse getting hummers from floozies (see Straw’s new book), and more time on the field adjusting their athletic protectors uncomfortably =more victories!!
And…I’d still take Manny. Imagine if we knew he was coming back in 50 games? That’d be awesome. What’s 50 games at his salary?10 mil? Bah…a few seat licenses at $itifield.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar
I would give Omar a pass, if only because he knew that this was going to come to light sometime in the near future. 50 games is 50 games…the way the last two seasons have ended for the Mets, that more than makes a difference.
This is huge.
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah there's no way he knew and that had anything to do with it
just idle speculation that will be filling the metsblargosphere for the next 12 months
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe didn't know
Who knows what it could have been. Sometimes the best moves are the ones not made (ZITO)
Maybe this will go up there with that
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Gammons needs to be punched.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
well, no matter what actually did or did not happen, the real losers in this situation are the fans. Well, the Dodgers…but the fans lose too. Now we get to have months of talking heads bemoaning steroid use, followed by years of wondering whether another slam dunk hall of famer will be able to get in. The solution is so simple: let them use whatever the heck they want. Make it legal. B/c it seems pretty obvious that they’re not going to be able to stomp it out completely, and an uneven playing field will always exist as long as the current policies are in place.
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
by cjmulrain on May 7, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The makr it leagal argument is polite
I say polite because it’s the most polite way of saying how wrong it is. It’s like "you can’t completely stop [robbery/murder/fraud/illegal immigration/tax cheating/etc.] so make it all legal.
If you make steroids legal it gives juicers a (competitive) edge and forces everyone in the league to choose between taking a life-threatening substance or risk their careers. It’s the WORST way to deal with the problem.
If you make the tests truly random and frequent, so a juicer has a 75% chance of getting caught, you virtually eliminate the problem. It’s just that easy.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 7, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely right.
They don’t WANT to fix it.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Crasnick in an ESPN Chat when asked about how the Dodgers lineup will look w/o Manny:
“Well, substituting Juan Pierre for Manny means they’ll run more often. I know Pierre has his detractors, but if you’re in a spot like this, there are a lot worse guys you could be calling on for more playing time.”
I mean, yea, that’s true: there are a lot worse guys you could be calling on. Like me, or Garth Brooks, or John McCain for example. But there aren’t many worse baseball players to be calling on.
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
by cjmulrain on May 7, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
They will run more often
and suck more often. And lose more often.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Garth Brooks could probably stand at the plate with his guitar instead of a bat and still put up a higher OBP than Pierre.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on May 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Gaines?
That dude is fruit of cake, man. Sweet like bear meat.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is just....wonderful
You beat me to all the “worse guys” jokes, but my jaw is still on the floor from what Crasnick wrote. Substituting Manny with, well, ANYONE other than Pujols or A-Rod is going to be a step back. Juan Pierre is a step back measured in light years.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridic-to-the-redonk.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had this hilarious mental picture
of Manny going to Rafael Palmeiro trying to get steroids, but Palmeiro giving him Viagra instead, and everyone laughing at Manny, and Manny not knowing what to do with his surprisingly long-lasting erection, leading to him having to go use the bathroom inside the Green Monster
by JoshNY on May 7, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
who will be the first to finger Joseph Torre?!!
I mean, a high percentage of high profile cheats have played under him! Suspicious, no?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
phrases I never want to hear again:
1. “finger Joe Torre”
by anonymous on May 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i added that for an extra bonus
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to tie together
the “finger Joe Torre” quote and the report that Manny was using sexual enhancement drugs, but I couldn’t do it w/o being too crude
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
by cjmulrain on May 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess Torre did most of the fingering in the Yankee clubhouse
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with talk like this
I am really glad that LoutheMetfan doesn’t blog here any more. I wouldn’t want to see the pics he would come up.
by Endys Game on May 7, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is ol' Lou?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's now:
“LOUtheMETandNATSfan”
and giffing it up at Federal Baseball
by James Kannengieser on May 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing's for sure
He’s not any kind of frontrunner.
by jasondg on May 7, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
he changed his handle too, now he’s LoutheMETSandNATSfan
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
by cjmulrain on May 7, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
bad timing for Fangraphs, huh:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-nl-west-race-is-over
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
by cjmulrain on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB has to get all these cheaters out of the league
so our clean-as-a-whistle Mets can stop sucking in comparison! Level the playing field for our ass-dragging club!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on May 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Be careful
Paul LoDuca was on this team, and was friends with David Wright. There might be a “say-it-aint-so” moment in our future.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the judgement of anyone who would associate with
Paul LoDuca is already borderline dubious.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on May 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even put that in my mind.
If anyone on this team is juiced, it’s Santana. Because he could not humanly be this good.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltran?
He is a Boras client…I know it’s terrible to think about but to see a lot of his high profile clients busted is really a shame.
by metsman07 on May 7, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't really fit the profile.
He’s never been a power hitter and his numbers have been pretty much consistent.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Jamie Moyer is 3-1??
Wait…what? Holy crap. Santana can’t buy a 2 run double and this guy is 3-1???
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner
by dissento on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pelf's 3-0 with 6.00 ERA
thats more unfathomable
by meigs1414 on May 7, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Pelf is at least supposed to be good
He’s not 67 years old like Moyer.
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner
by dissento on May 7, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truly strange
There may actually be something to say about who the Mets score for. They might actually feel the need to score more runs for Pelf, and feel less pressure when Johan is pitching. (Or it’s a coincidence.)
by Prince on May 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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