ESPN Beltran
by JohnPeterson on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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PrintSo ESPN was doing this stupid thing on Baseball Tonight for Willie Mays's birthday where they took attributes of several different current Major League center fielders in an effort to "build" Willie Mays. I know it's stupid, but it's ESPN.
Because I love Carlos Beltran so much, I immediately thought of Carlos Beltran. Then I was thinking that of the traditional "tools," Beltran falls short of Mays the most on hitting for average. Of course, batting average is a highly-overrated statistic, but hey, this is Steve Phillips and company.
So what did they do? John Kruk, up first, selected Carlos Beltran for hitting-for-average. Willie Mays has a career .302 batting average, Beltran only .282, but hey, he's hitting .388 right now, so he must have an ability to hit for a high average!
Idiots.
Personally, I would select Beltran's defensive ability. Instead, they picked Torii Hunter, who in addition to spelling his name incorrectly is a highly overrated defensive outfielder, not close to Beltran according to all the metrics that matter.
Anyway, I don't think any of the players cited are close to Mays in anything but speed and arm strength. I just thought I would rant about what I saw on ESPN last night.
Batting Average: Carlos Beltran
Speed: Curtis Granderson
Power: Grady Sizemore
Defense: Torii Hunter
Arm: Someone, I don't remember
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That pic is so awesome
it gets better every time I see it.
Torii Hunter is the most overrated outfielder of our generation
No love for Mike Cameron? Or Andruw “Didn’t Used to Suck and Might Not Suck Again Soon” Jones?
Torii Hunter robbed Barry Bonds of a HR during the Mil All-Star game
therefore, he will always be an excellent defender in the eyes of fans.
heh
I never get tired of this picture.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least he spelt brain right
It could be “Get A BRIAN! MORANS”
I love that this douche is a Cardinals fan
I hope the back of his t-shirt says “Eckstein” on it.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
by Greenpoint Ian on May 7, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stop
…laughing at this picture. Says a lot about how W. managed to be “elected” twice doesn’t it? He clearly dominated the Moran demographic!
I voted for him.
And I don’t think quotation marks around “elected” is appropriate.
by JohnPeterson on May 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
"Facts" and "Accuracy"
have no place on Baseball Tonight.
for what it's worth, Karl Ravech seems to know what he's talking about, at least
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Willie Mays is more like
Barry Bonds’ bat with Carlos Gomez’s glove.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
hey, at least they bring up Beltran
I’d expect them to leave that no-good choking non-hustler out of the discussion altogether.
2009 Mets: maybe its the Phillies turn to have a terrible bullpen?
Because Beltran is a totally forgettable player
really . . . he reminds me of that pair of shoes in the front hall . . . you know, the ones you might not wear everyday because they aren’t very clean but they are always there when you need to go out and get the mail . . . those shoes might be covered in dog crap but you wear them nonetheless . . . wow, it’s hard to believe i’ve had those shoes for coming up on five years, maybe it’s time to buy a new pair . . . something with an edge . . . oops, kettle’s boiling, gotta go . . .
oh yeah . . . go mets
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 7, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
you should do one of these every day
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 7, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems like a nice guy and all so I feel kinda bad
but these “…italics….” comments are just perfect.
by James Kannengieser on May 7, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh is this not the first one?
I tried making fun of Cerrone on B!T but sensed that it was somehow a Mets fan faux pas. Like, Cerrone has very poor grammar and senseless opinions, but has done great things for Mets fans. No? Awesome!
We were going back and forth on it in this thread
by All Shook Down on May 7, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I'd hate to participate in ad hominem argument
Actually, no I wouldn’t mind, but what did Cerrone do prior to MetsBlog? I remember reading once that he worked in politics, which I find totally unbelievable. That stuff is total B.S., but you have to be sharp to actually work in it and not get fired.
Also, I think he’s become to irksome is that he’s like a ‘bot’. His vapid meanderings are unlike any fan posts I’ve ever read. They’re largely pensive and even-keeled, so the fact that he’s not a complete loon and is just subtly dumb makes him hard to digest. It doesn’t ever seem like his truly happy or upset about anything that’s going on. Perhaps that’s just bad writing.
by All Shook Down on May 7, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Cerrone-like first sentence of that second 'graph
*Also, I think the reason why I find him so irksome is that he’s like a ‘bot’.
by All Shook Down on May 7, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking from personal experience
you don’t have to be too bright to work in politics. Also, I don’t think Cerrone’s dumb, I just don’t think he’s a great writer or an in-depth baseball analyst, which is funny considering his line of work.
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
I don't think he's dumb
I lauded his business acumen previously, but he’s just not sharp in the way that most bloghosts are.
by All Shook Down on May 7, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
faux pas?
Au contraire! We’ve complained about Cerrone’s … crappy … punctuation … here for a long while.
That's all I used to do on my old blog.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Umm, Mays had a lot more power than Grady Sizemore
He’s very young, but in four seasons Sizemore has averaged about 27 homers. By the time he was Sizemore’s age, Mays had already hit 51 in a season.
true
but they had to pick somebody and there just isn’t a CF playing today who has the power that Mays did
also true
my point is just that you could say “Mays had a lot more power than X” for any CF playing today who you plugged in as X
You could probably say that
Mays had a lot more power than Insert virtually any MLB player regardless of position here.
Not Erstad
He was a punter for the Huskers
by deadspy3 on May 8, 2009 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what's crazy
is that Duke Snider might have been better than any CF playing today, and he was only the 3rd best CF in New York City in the 50’s. Snider was a 9.3 WAR player in 1955, and he had at least two seasons prior to ’55 where he was better with the bat. I would bet that if the WAR database went back to ’47 Snider would have had at least four 8.0+ WAR seasons, which would be four more than Beltran (as it is he was an 8.0+ player in ’55 and ’56 before starting to decline).
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
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