Recap By Committee: Yankees 9, Mets 8
oh my god. are you !@#$ing serious? --JoshNY
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 --Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright
AHAHHAWHATa --Sam Page
i think i'm going to cry. --wrightHOF
¿Que? --squid92
SLAPPY IS DEAD TO ME. DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Jadden Hopkins
shades of delgado. seriously. this is the lowest of the lows here. can’t possibly get worse. --wrightHOF
this just isn't a contending team. i can;t kid myself anymore— we out unclutched a-rod!!! --itsmetsforme
Seriously, its so brutal. So brutal --Meddler
Oh, !@#$ that. I just had to host a 10 year old’s birthday party at my house for 5 hours…and now this. --squid92
That may be the worst loss I've seen in my life --Evan_S
I've grabbed the Jack and I think I may be done with the Mets this season --Major
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I was in the process of laughing
because mlb.tv was in tape delay. You can actually see the play develop in my comment if you break it down.
AHAHHA-laughing at A-Rod
WHAT-disbelief
a-motor skills freeze up, break everything on my desk once they unlock
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Don Zimmer would have caught that ball
Castillo should be fined for that pathetic play.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
that’s his point
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
ugh
Joe Girardi is up there acting swagalishous
You lucked out to the nth degree, dueche.
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
seriously this team has not earned a recap
i say let the site bot do them until further notice.
this game was more painful than a season of the “Ghost Whisperer”
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
seriously I am watching exactly that, er those, right now
it’s cold comfort
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 12, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And Castillo saved Girardi's anus
He would have been ripped a new one for bringing in Mariano.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Marc Malusis
Is ass-backwards stupid.
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
Oh he's dumb
He’s not as dumb as Bemigno, but he’s really dumb.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 12, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
All the guys on WFAN suck.
I like Steve Somers though.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Somers is a baseball ignoramus too
But yeah, he has a clue in general and he’s not just mind-numbingly stupid.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He's an entertainer though
Beningo, et al. can barely speak english
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 13, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason why he has a job on SNY is because of Mike and the Mad dog.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What do mike and the Dog have to do with Malusis?
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 12, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Malusis was their producer
Carlin has a job because of M&MD too.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I HATE THE INJURY EXCUSE!!!!
yes we’re injured, yes we would have more wins if Delgado and Reyes were healthy, but virtually every loss in recent memory (minus that bad outing in Pitt) have been the result of stupidity both by the players and management.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I like the injury excuse.
It keeps me from inflicting pain on others.
In all seriousness, we probably would have been up more than one run with Delgado and Reyes in the lineup. So it may not have prevented mistakes, but it may have created a larger margin for error.
Obviously not an “excuse”, though.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I had the feeling Delgado would have smashed one of Joba's fastballs tonight
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i am sorry
but that is just typical. Sure. Don’t run’em out. That shit never happens.
I'm not going to forget the reason we were down 6-4 in the first place
Jerry’s retarded move of the day
A career minor-leaguer makes his first appearance for the team against a power hitter in a crucial situation because he’s left handed
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
Saw that coming as well
I really want him fired. Omar fired. And for the Wilpon’s to sell the team
by aparkermarshall on Jun 12, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just wait until omar makes a dumbass trade to try to save this team
there shall be much unrest among the masses
by englishgrey on Jun 12, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar allready made a dumbass trade
Trading Castro was absolutley stupid.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Omah! Trade F-Maht and Hose Reyes and the whoalh fahm for Carlos Lee!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
exactly
f-mart better start hitting more or he’s going to be packaged for holliday, lee, dunn, or some other aging slugger
by englishgrey on Jun 12, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We could have signed Dunn
Omar blew that one
by aparkermarshall on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, Omar blew THAT one.
Let’s just add it to the ever growing list of failure.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
oh yes, Dunn
Another guy who was out there on the free agent market forever but we had no use for. Now we’ve got Jeremy Reed!
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
F! is overmatched
but he was by far the best option from AAA.
I hope to god omar doesn’t trade him for carlos lee
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Hose Reyes?
Who dat? llol
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't watch the whole game
but the saw the bottom of the ninth at a bar. i think i scared the bartender when i started cursing at castillo.
fuck. this hurts. the mets can’t afford to lose games like this when their sending out a triple AAA + beltran/wright lineup.
Someone said Castillo should be fined. Fuck That! He ought to be arrested and sentenced to LWOP for that (non)-play.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
He should be deported!!!
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
GUANTANAMO!!
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, they're closed!
Why not old-fashioned Sing-Sing?
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
Send Castillo to the dam moon
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the lineup we could have had in this game.
Reyes SS
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
Sheffield DH
Church RF
Castro C
Murphy LF
Castillo/Cora 2B
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Now thats a lineup that produces runs. Not an easy out in there
by aparkermarshall on Jun 12, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd even have Tatis as a pretty solid RH PH option.
But nooooooooo. Instead:
*Reyes gets injured
*Delgado gets injured
*We trade Ramon Castro for a nobody and replace him with Omir Santos (!!!!!!!!)
*We decide Murphy can’t play outfield anymore
*We may permanently have destroyed Ryan Church’s psyche.
Anything else?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
right
Tim Redding is a Proven Veteran!
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we have a better chance of finding Sasquatch than Brian Stokes.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
I posted this on a gamethread a week or two ago.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I'll go a bit further
Reyes SS
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
Sheffield DH
Church RF
Castro C
Murphy LF
Orlando Hudson 2B
Derek Lowe P
I didn’t watch the game because I like to enjoy baseball and it’s really hard to enjoy this team right now. I got a slew of texts and facebook updates that told me exactly what happened, of course. And I immediately started thinking that this team could’ve had Orlando Hudson, Derek Lowe, and Ramon Castro, but instead has Luis Castillo, Oliver Perez, and Omir Santos. Why do we expect a team run by abject amateurs to actually win?
I really feel bad for David Wright and Carlos Beltran sometimes. They’d probably make a team like Milwaukee into a World Series champion, and yet they have to share lineup slots with Wilson Valdez and Omir Santos on a $147 million team.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill go even further
Reyes SS
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
Sheffield DH
Church RF
Castro C
Ibanez LF
Orlando Hudson 2B
Derek Lowe P
Ibanez and Hudson wanted to come here too. Look at the seasons their having.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody expected that from Ibanez
I would’ve been ripping Omar had he signed Raul. It’s a total fluke.
Hudson and Lowe are known commodities, however. And Perez and Castillo are known shitty commodities.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well no one around here wanted ibanez
but no one thought he’d have such an outstanding season either
by englishgrey on Jun 12, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why we said Dunn
He’s putting up some very good numbers
by aparkermarshall on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted him
He is on every single one of my fantasy teams. He has been brilliant. He was always a solid hitter, its just that his power numbers have exploded. I didnt envision him ever hitting 20HRS befors july.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He's on my fantasy teams too
too bad that has nothing to do with real baseball
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
It shows that I thought he would have a big season
Im not in first place in all 4 of my leauges for nothing.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah absolutley
Absolutley destroying my leauges.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly....
I will probably get lambasted, but to me, this is the 3rd worst loss in the last 3 days. I can deal with losing to the Yankees on a fluke play, K-Rod deserved to blow a save, going 2-0 on pretty much everybody (albeit, that was a horrible way to blow a save), falling behind 3-0 on Tex and putting the winning run on base. That is why you never intentionally put the winning run on base. The real killer is the 4 game swing with the Phillies, games that matter much more, that we basically also gave away.
It sucks, but this team just looks like losers. They find ways to give games away, and they have since 2007. They are talented and all that, and yeah yeah, I get that they are beat up and have crappy players all over, but that is all the more reason why you have to close the door when you have multiple run leads three games in a row.
It annoys me, because to us as fans things like beating up on Hamels for talking smack probably matter more then it does to the players, and we had a chance to shut Cole Hamels up, but in the game that he is pitching, they prove him right, they beat him up, and then they find a way to lose it. They are proving that Cole Hamels was right, the Mets are choke artists. Call me a WFAN propaganda spewing tool, or whatever, but all they do is continue to prove that everybody is justified in laughing at the Mets and calling them losers. They just continue to choke up big games.
Oh well. I’ll be back in front of the TV tomorrow, watching them again.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
just one thing
They don’t lose because they have some inability to come up big when it counts. They lose because it’s a team with 4 superstars (one injured right now) surrounded by replacement level and sub-replacement level crap. Nothing will change until the front office (and I pray the ownership) is purged.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you are saying...
But still, everybody keeps bringing up the injuries, or the general flaws in the team, but when it comes down to it, this team blows games late, they have ever since the end of 2007. I don’t know what the hell it is, but they just give games away that they have in their pocket. I wouldn’t get so angry if they lost because of what you said, because their team has faults and they just aren’t that good. But they keep losing games that they pretty much had secured, regardless of how bad the team is and how they got there. We keep talking about how we have all these scrubs in the lineup, which is definitely fair, but think about it. If the Mets didn’t do everything in their power to blow late game leads the last 3 days, we are sitting here right now, talking about the first place NY Mets. In 3 games that the Mets played well, they went from should have been in first place, to 4 games out, and again, I don’t know how they recover from 3 losses like these. But hey, maybe they are getting their September collapse out of the way in June. Thats all I got in terms of silver lining.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
You can't really say that.
This is all selective memory, guys. It really is. You could make the argument that the Phillies never start games or seasons off well, that they always need to rely on trying to win down to the wire. This isn’t true, but it’s not really much less true than “teh Mets are teh ch0kers” attitude.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
But how can you say they aren't chokers
when all they have done for 3 years is find ways to lose excruciating games that were in their pocket? I mean, I don’t like it any more then you do, but what else can you say? They find a way to lose the most important games they play.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
God, you sound like my dad.
It’s not that you’re wrong. It’s that it’s unfair to say that when a small minority of this team is really doing everything they can, and I think it’s absoultely unwarranted to ever label an entire organization that way.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Okay, I see where you are coming from
I am not insinuating Wright, Beltran, or any of the actual talent this team has assembled are chokers. Just, somehow, as a team, they find ways to lose not only winnable games, but games that they already are winning, and in excruciating fashion. I get that half the roster sucks, but if they were losing games because they were just getting their asses kicked from the get go, it would be a lot easier to handle then losing games that they stand to win, despite the craptacular roster, and finding a different and more horrifying way to do it on a seemingly nightly basis. See where I’m coming from? I’m not saying Beltran and Wright aren’t winning players, but somehow, somebody on this team just find a way to fuck something up. I know Luis isn’t very good anymore, but come on, he catches that ball 999 out of 1000 times.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
We must be cursed.
It’s the only logical conclusion!!!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
What makes this worse
in my case, is that because of the way my brain is wired, the Mets can win 8 in a row, and I will still be thinking back to these games and where they could have been. It is just how I am and I hate it. Honestly, how many horrible losses can we have? Do other teams lose games like this too, maybe I just need a dose of relativity. It seems like the Mets lose more games like this then any other team, but I don’t know, maybe they don’t. I wish I could just go to sleep and wake up on like June 23rd to find out the Mets reeled of 10 in a row.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
The team isn't that good.
Wright, Reyes and Beltran are. Santana is spectacular, but from the end of 2007 through 2008 those four were the team. Delgado helped obviously, but everyone else on this team was replaceable, everyone.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Not Wagner when he was good, or Frankie now.
But yeah, same basic point.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
yea forgot him.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Delgado is good, but old
And old players get hurt. A good GM recognizes the potential problem and has a contingency plan. We get Jeremy Reed.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That's excatly what the problem is.
It’s not Wright, Beltran, or Reyes’s fault we haven’t made the playoffs the last two years. It’s that Chavez and Tatis started like half the game last year each, that Castillo is the best second basemen we can get. That our managers kept throwing out the same shitty relievers day in and day out refusing to try something new. Our catcher position is a black hole, and the biggest problem is that we could have fixed every single freakin problem. Orlando could be at second, Dunn in left, Jesus Flores catching, Lowe to compliment Santana.
It’s infuriating
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
What do you mean actually.....
I said he intentionally walked Tex. Even though it was an unintentional intentional walk, it is stupid to do that, putting the winning runner on base. Technically it was an IBB, but he still fell behind 3-0, and whether he just couldn’t find the zone, or he was pitching around Tex, that is bad.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
yeah
I guess in fairness, I though we had the worst shot tonight, with Livan throwing Livan junk in that pinball machine of a ballpark. I mean, Chamberlain sucks, but I think he sucks less than Livan.
Pettitte and Burnett need to be crushed, and we need good Maine to show up (oh Christ, Maine in this ballpark!)
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maine is on the DL
It’s Nieve tomorrow.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hadn't heard about Maine
And then I thought you meant to type “Niese”, but then I saw nrmax88 write “Nieve” too, and then I realized that yes, this is an Omar Minaya team, and we will soon hear about how Jon Niese was traded for someone like Aubrey Huff, and I will disown this team.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If by John Maine
you mean Fernando Nieve.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
what the hell can we get out of nieve
i would of called niese back up.but it’s to late.good news is he had a good game 0ER and i think 7 k’s in 7 innings
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 13, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
What did they just say about pedro on SNY i wasnt listening
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 12, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Guess what?
I’ll bet anything that tomorrow, Jerry will put Sheff 4th again. And Wright will go 4 for 4, and not get driven in once.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
never seen
a team lose 3 straight like this. Came very close to winning 3 straight.
That is why this is so devastating....
we can right now very easily be discussing the first place Mets. It sucks to lose tonight, but other then wounded pride, it really doesn’t matter. The two vs Philly (to me) were much worse. Those 2 games were a 4 game swing, we don’t even lose any ground tonight. Oh well, shit happens. We’ll get’em tomorrow. Also, not that it matters, but did anybody notice while Castillo was clearly having trouble with that pop fly that was in the air FOREVER, Ryan Church was trotting over to centerfield to celebrate with Beltran? When the ball first went up, and Luis started stumbling around, my first thought was honestly, where is Ryan Church?
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Well...can you really blame anyone but Castillo there?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
No....
but last night it was Jerry, the night before that it was Jerry with a lot of Wright and Beltran, etc. That just find horrifying ways to lose games. I honestly have never seen anything like it.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
There were lots of other problems in this game
Just the fact that Livan and Nieve are expected to pitch to a potent Yankee lineup is bad enough. But still, 14 Mets combined to do everything possible to win this game. This despite more tactically unsound decisions by Jerry. Proper Sean Green usage aside, wtf was with bringing Switzer into a close game with two runners on? I don’t care if Hideki’s lefty, there’s absolutely no reason not to use Stokes there. You don’t put a replacement player into a spot like that in his season debut. And almost as bad, how dare you call for an intentional ball four to the winning run. I don’t care of its 3-0 and Mark Texiera. You don’t give him a free ball there. Pitch around him, fine, but at least give him a chance to get himself out. The resulting situation, once the ball left A-Rod’s bat, was that the Mets essentially had a 99.9% chance of winning the game. But the walk meant that the 0.1% longshot was a loss, not a tie.
Luis Castillo should have his contract voided and be banned from the game of baseball.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 13, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant player wise, not tactical wise.
We can ALWAYS find ways to blame Jerry.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Yeah
Its just a microcosm of everything wrong with the Mets. David Wright gets what could be a high watermark type hit for the season (at least to the NY media hounds), and its wiped away by this. This is how great players get robbed of stupid awards.
I think I just don’t care anymore. I just have no expectations for this team. There’s so much I enjoy about them, but it always gets pissed away in the end. Everything’s built on itself, and though the story isn’t written yet, the September possibilities become clearer and more well defined with each passing game. From the beginning, this looked like one of those most fragile save opps Frankie has had all season. And it goes down like that. Microcosm of what the Mets are, not because of some intrinsic character flaw, but because of what they’ve accomplished and ruined over the last two years.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 13, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said
Though for some reason, or maybe for no reason at all, in the middle of typing out a different post, I just smiled to myself, laughed out loud and thought, we will laugh about this when we are hoisting that trophy in October. I know there is on reason to believe such a thing is possible, but I don’t know. This is way out of character for me, as I am without a doubt a glass half empty type of individual. So either this newfound sense of optimism I am currently enjoying is a sign from up above, from the baseball gods, or I am just completely losing my fucking mind.
I usually tend to react just the way you did in your post right now Meddler, I think about what could have been, how good this team can be, how good they occasionally are, and how they always seem to blow it. Then I say fuck the Mets, I don’t care, they suck, I’m not watching anymore, I don’t care what happens.
But I do care what happens, we all do. Acting like we don’t care is just that defense mechanism that every Met fan has ingrained in them. So fuck it, I love this team, probably more then anything outside of my family (pretty sad, I know), I will root for them until the end, I have faith in them no matter how bad they play and no matter how much they hurt us, I won’t ever stop loving this team.
What doesn’t kill you can only make you stronger, and the days can’t get much darker then this. I think I just set a world record for the most cliche’s ever used in one post, so I will end it with this. I love the Mets, we will come out of this.
You gotta fuckin believe baby
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
That's certainly true
And the perspective I try to hold myself to. Saying I don’t care was an overstatement, but saying that I have no expectations, or at least that I try not to have expectations, I still think is accurate. But I think that’s pretty much how I try to approach just about everything as often as I can. Really, the worst part of what happened today is the .gif fodder its going to create for Phillies, Yankees, and Braves fans. That’s going to be seriously annoying. Its effect on the Mets season is also negative, but not nearly as negative as it feels right now. It just hurts so much because the negative aspects of it completely wiped away so much that was positive. But, such is things, and Luis Castillo’s shitty defense isn’t indicative of anything we didn’t already know.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 13, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats the infuriating part.
This team is decimated with injuries, has no depth, and they need to just stay in it until they get Reyes back. We are all well aware of the horrible personnel we have seen come up to provide depth for this team. But despite all that, they still put themselves in a very good situation to win a game for the last 3 days, and they just couldn’t do it. We need these wins so friggen badly, and we had them, and gave them away. The Mets are somehow getting away with having horrible players get way too many at bats, but then they find a new way to give a game away. I just don’t even know what to say. I need to go get some weed.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
I didn't even watch the game...I just read the recap and I thought I was going to cry.
I am a 28 year old man. I feel sorry for those of you who had to watch this is real time. I will now retire to my local bar to drink unheard of amounts of Jager.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Judging by my english, I may have already started.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
PITCHFORKS!! GET CHA PITCHFORKS HERE!!
WE’LL THROW IN A TORCH OR TWO FOR FREE!!
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
"I think I'm going to cry"
I am crying. I’ve been crying. What worse way to lose a game is there?
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
This has been the most frustrating 4 seasons to be a Mets fan
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions
I wish I wasn't born in 1980
Partly because then I wouldn’t graduate from college and business school into brutal recessions, but partly because then I wouldn’t have a childhood filled with nothing but SUCCESS from this team and then expected it going forward. I should’ve known the 80s were an aberration with this franchise.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not jumping off the deep end
but you hear the ‘86 talk about what they could have done often. The other years they should have won, like ’88 and the other mid-’80’s teams. When you win your championships so infrequently, you have to cherish them for the ones you do have.
I’m not trying to say that we’ve sucked our entire history. But to be such a loyal Mets fan, you must be resigned to the prospect of frustration.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
right
and what I’m saying is that I only learned that later, once The Worst Team Money Could Buy came along. For those early years as the kiddie at the ballpark with dad, it was nothing but good things.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh jeez, my bad
I thought you were being sarcastic. Nevermind lol. I’m all out of sorts.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
well
atleast girardi knows that this game was a gift
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 13, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
I would even say 5 years
it goes back to Looper blowing that save in 05
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
which one?
Not joking. There were a lot of gut-punch moments from him in ’05.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The very first one
Pedro pitches a good game. Looper came in and blew it
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Back to back jacks right?
Dunn and Randa…. if only we never so desired Juan Lebron.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
oh, OK
Given that this was a hideous loss to the Yankees on their turf, I thought of Looper blowing the chance at sweeping the Yankees in Yankee Stadium in ’05.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I came home and watched the end of that game
and thought to myself, “Man, baseball can’t get much worse than this”
Boy was I wrong.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
LOL
I bet we say that now. It can still get worse. Sometimes I wish they just flat out stunk that way we wouldnt have to worry about these games. And I have enjoyed them immensely during the lean years
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple of media-frenzy trades
And that’s just what will happen.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 13, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Those long hot lazy nights in the empty upper deck
Watching Rico Brogna, Anthony Young and so forth
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
or Ty Wigginton
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN200308150.shtml
The above is the boxscore from the first game I attended after graduating college and finally getting a job in Manhattan and moving to Greenpoint. What a team! I don’t even remember Raul Gonzalez.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
there is nothing i can do right now to get over the sinking feeling i have in my fuckin stomach
the pain that this team has caused me in my 16 years of living is indescribable and i will never be able to forgive them for it, even when they do eventually win a title. i keep trying to think of the very few positives like the fact that we’re still only 4 games out of first place with more than half the season to go even with all of our injuries and inability to play consistent baseball. IT DOESNT WORK. nothing works. i cant stand it. i dont know what to do with myself right now.
by He'sGotPotential on Jun 13, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
I am with you potential.
I just don’t even know what to do. I hate my fucking dad, raising me to root for the Rangers, Knicks, Jets and Mets, and as if that wasn’t bad enough, St Johns basketball. And I am only 20, so I wasn’t even around for the good St Johns days. All I can do after a loss like this is just smile to myself. Between the last 3 games, the Church missing 3rd base game, the blown 5-0 lead against the Pirates game, the walk off walk game in Philly, the brutal loss to Atlanta at home where Reyes gets left on 3rd in the 12th, man, this is brutal. I get pissed off so much after a game like this, but man this team must make us all pretty mentally tough. That said, looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
wow i agree completely
especially with the 3 other teams listed. from the 07 collapse the 08 collapse the jets end of year collapse and the last 6 years of the knicks. i dont know how im still breathing.
by He'sGotPotential on Jun 13, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Chin up, guys.
At least nothing will ever be worse than this
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
thank you so much for this
atleast for 37 seconds i feel somewhat okay
by He'sGotPotential on Jun 13, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone Everyone. Relax it could be worse.
We could be Cubs fans
by aparkermarshall on Jun 13, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
i think the sad thing is
is that we have the second hardest franchise to root for in baseball. that is really rough
by He'sGotPotential on Jun 13, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Indians
Tony Fernandez in the ’97 world series letting the ball through his legs.
Blowing the 3-1 ALCS lead to Boston in ’07.
And being a Giants fan is horrible too. 2002 World Series, up 5-0 with six outs to go…..
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Astros haven't won yet
and they were one out away in 2004 and about to take it 4-1. One out. And then…
It’s of course, one thing to be beat by a supernova from the best baseball player ever…
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
it was 2005 when Pujols hit that one into orbit
They won that series.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
I was alive when the Mets last won the world series. My 94-year-old grandmother’s oldest brother (who passed away 12 years ago) wasn’t alive the last time the Cubs won.
And the Cubs look even worse than the Mets do this season.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
words fail me

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jun 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
I'm afraid to click on it
Is it the kind of thing which will make me come back here and start ranting about how the Yankees have the 2nd worst run differential in the AL East and how they’ll be choking on Tampa Bay’s dust come September?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, maybe.
And while you’re there, check out the awesomeness that is PSUDevon’s latest FanShot.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
nah, not bad
I thought it might’ve been something like ‘YEAH JIMMY ROLLINS IS RIGHT YOU GUYS ARE CHOKERS HA HA" Instead it’s more bewilderment that they won.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
a time=forever
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Yep, but he returned, I believe.
And now apparently he’s gone apeshit crazy.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
yeah, he has some anger management issues
But I disagree, nothing is better than this.
We all need the laugh right now.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I read that, and I laughed.
But then I read this. And I was depressed again, for many different reasons.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Oh c'mon
better than Scotty? The post was one thing. But the fact that he named it after himself? It’s that kind of attitude that makes the best posts.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
I dunno
At least paperman didn’t rip David Wright. Scotty’s stupidity and the fact that he stuck around to take the punishment was pretty amusing though.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I never read through all the comments
I could use a smile. But paperman paging mr. wilpon(!!!!!) is right up there.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
What really just disturbs me is
David Wright should be 2/5 with 2 GAME WINNING DOUBLES off the best relief pitcher in baseball histroy.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
I'm worried that if I hear the word clutch a few more times
I’ll go AWOL.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
Well said
Though for some reason, or maybe for no reason at all, in the middle of typing out a different post, I just smiled to myself, laughed out loud and thought, we will laugh about this when we are hoisting that trophy in October. I know there is on reason to believe such a thing is possible, but I don’t know. This is way out of character for me, as I am without a doubt a glass half empty type of individual. So either this newfound sense of optimism I am currently enjoying is a sign from up above, from the baseball gods, or I am just completely losing my fucking mind.
I usually tend to react just the way you did in your post right now Meddler, I think about what could have been, how good this team can be, how good they occasionally are, and how they always seem to blow it. Then I say fuck the Mets, I don’t care, they suck, I’m not watching anymore, I don’t care what happens.
But I do care what happens, we all do. Acting like we don’t care is just that defense mechanism that every Met fan has ingrained in them. So fuck it, I love this team, probably more then anything outside of my family (pretty sad, I know), I will root for them until the end, I have faith in them no matter how bad they play and no matter how much they hurt us, I won’t ever stop loving this team.
What doesn’t kill you can only make you stronger, and the days can’t get much darker then this. I think I just set a world record for the most cliche’s ever used in one post, so I will end it with this. I love the Mets, we will come out of this.
You gotta fuckin believe baby
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
whoops...
meant that as a reply to Meddlers post up above…. way up above…. but seriously guys, imagine how the Sawx must have felt on October 16, 2004. And then imagine how they must have felt when they took that bitch down. We have to stick behind this team, we have to believe, because honestly, what else is there? I love this team so much and if I give up on them now, even for a day or a week, I will feel all dirty and cheap when they finally win one(in my life time, wasn’t around in 86). They need us now more then ever!
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
by nrmax88 on Jun 13, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
The Red Sox’s 2004 season brought me back into baseball after such bad, bad years for the Mets. You just can never give up in anything.
All we need is a big stolen base…we could be versing Mariano in this series so…
you never know. And “ya gotta believe.”
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
Thank you
And again, this team is actually playing some inspired baseball. They keep finding ways to lose, but I felt they really played well the last 4 games. It just sucks that they have really nothing to show for it. But you know what, Beltran and Wright are turning into the leaders we have been seeking, Reyes will be back, we will somehow shore up the rotation, and make a run at this thing. The last two years at this time Phillies fans were ready to give up on everything. Lets band together and enjoy the Mets make a run at this thing. Like I said, we win the last 3 winnable games and we are alone in first. So lets keep our fingers crossed for health, and just see what happens. If we can bring in a couple of rentals like Bedard and Nick Johnson, lets do it up. If the Mets are smart, they can recoup what they lose by getting some draft picks for these guys next year. If we can get something done for these two without losing Fernando, Flores, Holt, Mejia or Havens, I would be okay with it. We just need to deepen this lineup just a tad. We may not even need a pitcher, depending on how Maine and Perez come back. I just enjoy this hopeful feeling, regardless of whether it is appropriate. Lots of baseball left boys, lots of baseball left.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
David Wright
has stepped up in every way, and you can see it in the field. Sure, the team has been missing Delgado. But Wright’s elevated his own play and his leadership. And this team has been playing fine baseball—the past 3 games have been so close, and so evenly matched. All of the wins by the Phillies always seem like they just squeaked by.
Aren’t we due for some good breaks? It’s about time for the law of averages to kick in.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
Yes he has stepped it up
But I don’t know if we’re due for some breaks. Sounds like the gambler’s fallacy to me. And that’s the problem. We’ve seen this every year. David Wright had as good a month of baseball as a player can have in September 2007, and it was too little too late. Beltran, similar in 2008. Delgado did it for half a season. There’s obviously plenty of time left, but suffering a loss after having a 99.9% chance of collecting a win after the ball left A-Rod’s bat, that’s just more to make up for later. And the odds don’t tell you it will even out, just that all the possibilities that existed in the game yesterday are the same possibilities that exist in the game today. No more or less likely than they were before.
I think I’m almost going to feel worse if the Mets lose by one game again this year even if they never even take a lead in September. This team has played some really inspired baseball, this much is true, but some of the worst parts of this year are just such huge kicks in the pants. Just these brutal ironies that beg for narrative driven hype. I can’t deal with reading that crap again.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 13, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
There are no words
and I still can’t get over how the Yankees actually dog piled A-Rod as someone said in the thread
The worst part of this recap
Is the stupid Fangraph, that just makes everything worse. I know terms like “heart” and “clutch” are overused but I’d really like someone to come out of the blue tomorrow and carry the team to a win on his back before Johan’s start
Some quick thoughts on Sunk Cost as I lay in my own vomit
Castillo: I’ve always hated him with a passion, since the very first week of the trade. I knew he was a slap hitter that never drove in runs, or hit extra base hits, and his range was diminishing. And I liked Easley. Now I just feel bad for him and pity him. It’s Minaya’s fault for signing him to the ludicrous contract when no one else even wanted him. It is weighing this team down like an anchor. It’s gotten to the point where he is a Sunk Cost. He cannot be their starter next year, and should really just be cut. There is no way around it. The Tigers ate 14 mil on Sheff, we can’t eat 12? Bring up Reese Havens and throw him in the fire, who cares at this point.
Manuel: You have to remove Livan sooner than that. The Yankees were peppering that warning track and almost had about 19 homers off of him. Every flyball hit I was afraid to look. It’s an indictment of the park, but you have to play in that park, you cannot just throw your hands up.
Sheff: nice homer, but please understand that the inside pitch is allowed to be a strike. You cannot be this amazed by every effin’ strike on the inside corner. Here’s a tip: Back the eff up!
Wright: Just an awesome clutch hit. It really does seem like he and Beltran are on base every single time. The only 2 reasons to watch this team when they are on offense.
the Wilpons have no idea what "sunk cost" means
So we’ll keep getting Castillo and Schneider day after day, not because they’re good, but because they’re expensive.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 13, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't stand Schneider
I know he isn’t as bad as people make him out to be (and of course, neither is Omir), but for all that is good in the world, bring up Josh Thole and give him a shot. He may be a little raw defensively, but I’m so tired of the typical Schneider 0-for.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
Anyone with a sub .300 OBP is terrible
At least Schneider walks… occasionally
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Meant to say something along the lines of
how Omir isn’t great shakes himself, especially off that hot streak.
"What position do you play?"
"I bat third."
FREE JAVIER VALENTIN!
Josh Thole next year :).
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions






























