More Manuel Applesauce: Jose Reyes' shoes, Bobby V likes Met management, and Rick Peterson is back evaluating Met players
With Santana getting all the early season buzz around the Mets, Francisco Rodriguez has been relatively under the radar. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he deserves some Cy Young Award buzz. If Eric Gagne can win one, there's absolutely no reason that Rodriguez can't. He's a lot better than Luis Ayala.
Meet the Mets
In an interview in the New York Times, Jerry Manuel responds to criticism and says, among other things, that he thinks he'll understand the job in 5 years. At least he has a good sense of humor.
In other managerial news, Bobby Valentine said that he harbored no negative feelings toward Met management.
I wouldn't get too cozy with the idea of Adam Dunn or Nick Johnson as a Met. The Nationals are asking for a lot in exchange for the main trading chips. Nevertheless, Dan Graziano encourages the Mets to get Dunn.
Jose Reyes' leg injuries might have come from a change in shoe during the offseason. Ugh, maybe his old running style is coming back to bite him.
Johan Santana says that Rick Peterson doesn't know what he's talking about. After failing to fix Victor Zambrano, Peterson is taking the easy route and helping out Scott Kazmir.
I can't believe that this was a highlight from last night's game on mets.com. I guess they're really trying to hammer home David Wright's leadership ability. I'm so glad that Carlos Delgado is still out, otherwise we'd never get to see this.
Around the NL East
Thank you Scott Rolen! The Blue Jays knocked off the Phillies in extra innings, bringing the Philadelphia lead in the division down to three games. The Philly bullpen allowed 6 runs in the last two innings to lose it.
In the least surprising result of the season, the Yankees beat the Nationals 5-3. CC Sabathia defeated Shairon Martis.
Washington Post columnist Tom Boswell calls Manny Acta one of the few cohesive elements of the Nationals.
The Nationals got pitcher Kip Wells back from the DL.
The Braves sat through two hours and 15 minutes in rain delays and lost to the Reds 7-2 severly complicating a Jair Jurrjens start.
Atlanta signed pitcher John Halama, a name I haven't heard since Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest. The Braves also activated first baseman Casey Kotchman.
Marlin manager Fredi Gonzalez has apologized for overreacting against the media and it appears he has smoothed things over with Hanley Ramirez. The Red Sox smoked Chris Volstad and the Marlins 8-2.
Around MLB
Sammy Sosa apparently tested positive for steroids in 2003. Another one bites the dust.
Kazuo Matsui is back for the Astros.
Khalil Greene may play third base for the Cardinals in place of Troy Glaus. Neyer also takes on the 100 pitch limit.
Dontrelle Willis has been pulled from the Tiger starting rotation for now.
Even Kyle Farnsworth's dog doesn't think he's clutch.
Yankee reliever Brian Bruney can now take out his K-Rod envy on the mound.
Derek Jeter has been paying attention to his defensive stats and eating his Wheaties.
Brian Giles is the worst regular player in baseball.
The Oakland Athletics are the major's smartest team.
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Happy Willie-versary!
One year since the infamous 3 a.m. dumping. Our current manager is 88-67 since then.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll pop a bottle of Andre champagne tonight in his honor/dishonor
by James Kannengieser on Jun 17, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The comment, not the wine.
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I bought a couple of CaberReyes a while back — I haven’t cracked them open. One’s going to be purely decorative, and I’ll drink the other if/when the Mets win the division.
by jasondg on Jun 17, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I had some Reyes Wine at Christmas
Catsmeat and I downed a bottle of the fine red stuff. Maybe it was Thanksgiving.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had it this weekend
I finally cracked open my bottle yesterday in Baltimore before going to the game. What it lacks in flavor it makes up for in . . . the bottle is awesome! I’m also pretty sure it gave me the ability to run faster.
by Shea Bone on Jun 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You going to tonight's game?
I’ll be at Pickles before the game in my GRISSION tee-shirt.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 17, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was definitely x-mas, yeah?
I guess it doesn’t really matter which.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year later, has anything changed?
Same invective against Manager and GM, same underperforming record (though by no fault of the healthy Mets who are playing fairly decent outside of all the ridiculous miscues), same general feeling that we are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meet the new boss, same as the old boss
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jun 17, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Cerrone’s got a poll up on his website about how his reader’s feel about the job Jerry’s doing, the options being “approve” or “disapprove”. My vote was apparently number 1,725 (can you guess which option I picked?), and thus far 70% have voted “approve”. The Mets have some of the smartest fans in the world, sure, but apparently the ratio of ignorant homers to intelligent fans is still pretty piss poor.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd estimate 1 out of every 100 fans is intelligent about baseball.
that might be a generous estimation
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes perfect sense
considering metsblog is wrong about everything
by T Pac on Jun 17, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God...if we were to put up a poll I think it would be at least 90% disapprove...
Says a lot about the people who hang out there…
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 17, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The insane outrage over Sammy Sosa is already in full swing. From Howard Bryant on ESPN.com:
[T]he New York Times report that Sammy Sosa is one of the 104 players who tested positive for anabolic steroids in baseball’s 2003 survey testing because the news should not be met with an indifferent yawn, as if Sosa is just another in a long line of Hall of Fame-caliber talent biting the dust: Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez and now Sosa, all in the first half of the 2009 season alone. Instead, this news should be greeted with the kind of outrage reserved for the worst breaches of trust because you, Mr. and Mrs. Fan, have been taken for a very special kind of ride.
Blah blah blah they breached our trust, kicked our dog, peed on the flag, etc. with a smile on their faces and pockets full of our money blah blah blah.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"you, Mr. and Mrs. Fan, have been taken for a very special kind of ride."
An awesome happy time fun ride that I wished would never end? I miss steroids.
by Eric Simon on Jun 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
My only problem with steroids is that there aren’t enough Mets in these stories. I would’ve loved to have a guy hitting 60 home runs three straight years.
by Joe Budd on Jun 17, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul LoDuca
and his toasted phone!
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reason why they are not mets in these tests
is because the mets were awful in 2002 and 2003 so any steroid usage at that time would be met with laughter. If you’re telling me that their performance was enhanced and they played like crap, then they either needed to get better stuff or that team was worse than the 1962 mets/2009 nationals.
by meigs1414 on Jun 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of speculation still follows Piazza
Do we really want to hear about his back acne any more than we already have? I think I can live without that.
by Zwill on Jun 17, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball has been berry, berry good to him.
Hey, I enjoyed watching the guy play. If he wanted to taint his body with artificial substances to boost his performance, what the hell do I care? I hate all of this media drummed up sentiment that we were cheated. Who thought him and McGuire WERE NOT on steroids?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I was 8
and I don’t think I knew what steroids were
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 17, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well do you care now that you know? Do you feel as if your childhood niavete was ruined by this?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was 14 when McGwire set that record
I’ll never forget attending a twi-night doubleheader vs the Cards in August at Shea. McGwire hit HRs in both ends of the DH, his 50th and 51st of the year. My father bragged to my sister and I that he’d seen Maris’ 50th as a kid at Yankee Stadium and now McGwire’s 50th with his kids at Shea. A few weeks later, we watched on ESPN as he hit a line drive over the LF fence at Busch for #62, a very uncharacteristic Big Mac HR.
And I can safely say that the moments are not the least bit diminished in my mind by any of the events of the last ten-plus years. Not one iota. They are still seminal events of my youth that came at a time when the game meant more to me than it ever had or ever would. I can read blowhard after blowhard opine about how the game has been tarnished or outright ruined by steroids and I will never believe that for a second. Those moments were real and meaningful to me then as they are now and will be always.
Bottom line: Do you wanna know the awful truth or do you wanna see me hit some dingers???
by Zwill on Jun 17, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, I was 33 already
and it would be hard to tarnish my youth.
And Mgwire hit 49 homers as a skinnyish rookie.
Nevertheless, I though the whole thing with him, Sosa Bonds and Plmeiro etc. was cartoonish. Do i think it is cheating? Yes. Any more so then getting a cortisone shot? hell, I am not into getting down and dirty on the fine points of this topic. I will take the cheap ass Potter Stewart route.
These guys possibly ruined their health. Their choice. I guess Sandy Koufax may have ended up with arthritis in his elbow, Bench in his knees,. it isa tough game.
I do not like the aspect of other guys having to choose whether to harm themselves to compete on the level of these other guys.
If your eyes aren’t wide open about life and gets shattered by some crap in baseball, you’d be a naif to begin with (I don’t mean “you”, but one, anyone).
But I prefer my sluggers with giant beer guts a la Harmon Killebrew and Frank Howard and Ruth. Or with wrists of steel like Henry Aaron, from, I dunno, swinging an axe or lifting blocks of ice with tongs a s kid (that’s actually a Joe Lewis story).
Bonds, MgWire and Sosa? They looked like complete idiots to me, albeit rich ones, and I really did not give a flying rat’s ass about that home run chase.
Did I feel cheated? No. I just didn’t care about it. Plenty of folks did, though. baseball made money. Shocker, the owners and players are greedy as anyone else in this life. It attacted the casual fan and non-fan. Or, to the young at the time, became part of their fandom.
Not knocking that. And there is an aspect of, as some became more knowledgeable about what counted in the game, homers and walks being a huge part of it, what is wrong with guys hitting a buncha homers? people like it. I mean, folks always knew homers and walks counted a lot. But I do think that gets glorofied a bit compared to the rest of the game. I do prefer to see a Reyes triple than most homers. Although MgWire brought back memories of kingman’s blasts. :)
I saw Robert Deniro once on letterman, and letterman said oh, did you hear about David Wells’ perfect game. He said what’s that. Letterman says no hits, no walks. Deniro said no hits, no walks, that sounds boring.
Anyway, long-winded, but I fall in a middle camp, i guess. I don’t feel cheated. I don’t miss it. For players, i think it is better it be policed, and i don’t think it should be tolerated. As afan, i didn’t like it, but knew, sans evidence, that it was going on. I didn’t need the evidence. I could see. people aren’t idiots. And people at the time kept talking about needing evidence. Why? I am just watching, I am not a prosecutor. And it turnwed out Joe Blow Idiot fan was right. They WERE all juicing. Most of the big ones.
The question for baseball really is what does the casual, marginal fan or non-fan think, or really what do they do. Wil they go to games knowing all this or not. That’s all abseball cares about. Me, I will watch some games either way. But i didn’t go out of my way to watch Mgwire, Sosa, Bonds et al chase records. You couldn’t help but see it if you watched baseball tonight or sportscenter.. Those guys are kinda persona non grata. That’s it. That’s their comeuppance. Cards don’t welcome Mgwire back, if i understand that correctly. I don’t care either way. he has to live with how people feel. you can’t legislate that or say fans that now don’t like him are wrong.
Although the sentiment is whipped up by some of the bigger hack writers. I don’t care for that either. fans ripped off? Please. Spare us.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as i am on memory lane
I watched Aaron hit 715 on tv. Against Al Downing. That was a pretty big deal, but it didn’t give me goose bumps.
What DID give me goosbumps was seing Willie Mays hit his first homer for the Mets. A game-winner in a 5-4 game back in 1972. I was only 8.
But mostly, I teared up when he announced he would be retiring, and he gave a speech on Willie Mays Night. And he said something towards the end like “When i look at those kids over there fighting for themselves, I know Willie, it is time to say good-bye.”
That was September 1973, and those kids would go on to win the pennant. He was s shell of the player he had been and I never knew him as a great player, but I still choked up.
Funny thing is he’s Barry’s godfather and they are close. Gimme Willie any day. Barry’s stats are better. Willie was no slouch though.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May 14, 1972
Here is the box score. Staug hit a grandslam, mets up 4-0 early. Giants tied it. mays hit a homer in the 5th or so, Mets won 5-4. Giants had just traded him to Mets earlier in May . Mets had just picked up Staub in April for Ken Singleton, Foli and Jorgensen.
That put the Mets at 17-7 on the year. They would storm to 30-11, 32-13. Highwater mark, best record in baseball, 4 games a head of the Pirates.
But Staub got injured. They had a lot of injuries that year too. Aside from Staub, Cleon jones, Harrelson, Grote, Fregosi, but Staub is what really hurt.
And Hodges dies that year in April Dead at 48 of a heart attack. Shit, i am 48 in 3 years.
And matlack gave up number 3000 to Clemente end of season. And Clemente dies that off-season.
I was a big fan of his too. I was a Mets fan, but i had cut out the pictures of all the lumber company from an SI article, pasted on my wall: Sanguillen, Clemente, Stargell, Oliver. They were cool. Didn’t matter. There ws also one of Seaver holding a ball that said 1.76 e.r.a. and whatever his Ks and record were that year before.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure Ian B and I were at those games
he’ll have to verify but I seem to recall thinking, “Damn, we might see Mark McGwire hit some historical dingers!”
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are mistaken.
I remember a twin-bill with the Cards where McGuire sat out one game and didn’t homer the second. Im a moron, tho. I can’t remember shit.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 17, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Yeah the Mets and Cards played double-headers on back-to-back days (Aug 20/21). We saw day two; no dingers from Big Mac.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still remember McGwire's 62nd homer and that fact that he took steroids doesn't tarnish that memory at all.
At first I was disgusted but as each new person is revealed I care less and less. They cheated then, some still are. It’s a kick in the balls to those who didn’t but it certainly didn’t ruin the game.
That said, there should be some punishment for using steroids, but banishing them from the hall of fame is not the answer. Maybe denote known steroid users but beyond that there’s nothing you can do. The thing that I look forward to is the jackass sports writers to put someone in the hall of fame, then that person is revealed to have taken steroids. Then the sportswriters look even stupider for leaving whoever off their ballot because he took steroids.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids are wrong, but it's not the end of the world. The worst punishment should be they don't get the Hall of Fame right away. (Sosa should never get in though)
Peeing on the flag is worse, a disgrace to this great country.
But if any of them kicked my dog, I’d kill em
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My beef with Sosa
Is that he went from slightly-above average slugger to completely mind-boggling, out of his mind superstar with the help of the juice. You can make a pretty good argument that Bonds was a Hall-of-Famer before he went on the juice, and that probably most of the other juicers were marginally aided by it, mainly by adding a few years to their careers. But Sosa was a guy with good pop and little else before the late 90s.
I’m not outraged by it, but I always thought that Sosa was completely over hyped, so I do confess to just a bit of schadenfreude right now,.
by dcmetsfan on Jun 17, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonds
.288/.409/.559/.968, 163 OPS+, 445 HR, 1299 RBI, 460 SB, 3 MVP Awards, 8 Gold Gloves, 8 All-Star Appearances
These are his career numbers after 1999, when it is widely believed he started taking steroids. He was 34, so figure w/o steroids he probably still had 3 or 4 good seasons left. Based on historical projections (comparing him to his most similar players at the same age and then aggregating the rest of their careers), he would have finished with 511 HRs, 1506 RBI, and a 156 OPS+. He was definitely a Hall of Famer even w/o the Roids.
Of course, he took them and ended up hitting like this over the next few years:
.322/.517/.724/1.241, 221 OPS+, 317 HR, 697 RBI, 54 SB, 4 MVP’s
by cjmulrain on Jun 17, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
Bonds benefited as well. My point was simply that at least he was great before he (presumably) started taking the ’roids.
by dcmetsfan on Jun 17, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes if I'm bored at work
I’ll go to Bonds’ Baseball Ref page and oggle his stats.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoeless Joe
has more HOF legitimacy than either of those guys.
…not sure what my point is.
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Costner is a genius
Nothing’s free in Waterworld!
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa was the ultimate cheater
Not only did he use steroids, but he also had a corked bat.
by Delgado on Jun 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was funny
I remember that. Lotsa players have done that through the years.
Gaylord perry’s spitter! You could put out an eye with that thing.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100 Pitch Count
Interesting read (Neyer, Pos, and James are great) but I can’t believe we’re still so far from having a long, conclusive article (or book) written on the subject of pitch counts.
I wonder if we have enough data around MLB, MiLB, and NPB to add color to our hypotheses. Body type, basic mechanics, velocity, frequency of use, age, etc. are all classes you could assign pitchers to and compare.
For example, I’d be interested to know if more 6 ft 200 lb overhand power pitchers are injured in a 6-man rotation with no pitch counts (like in Japan) than a 5-man rotation with 100 pitch counts.
It’s so obvious that pitch counts matter and yet the best method we have is to shut down all pitchers, universally, at 100 pitches? With the millions and millions that teams spend on injured players every year, you’d think we’d have better ideas.
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pos and James raise a good point
Not that pitch counts are bad per se, but that “100 pitches” as a cutoff to use for most or all of your starters is arbitrary and therefore poorly chosen. For instance, we all know that Livan can be as ineffective after 130 pitches as he can after 30 pitches.
Also: JOHN HALAMA! Wow, that’s a guy I never thought I’d hear about again.
by JoshNY on Jun 17, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't even mention
how warm-up tosses and pickoffs attempts don’t get counted
by TheBigStapler on Jun 17, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...is Wright a gritty Captain Clutch-esque leader now?
I’m lost.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 17, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He had one game with grission
I wouldn’t get carried away, he still has time and has to win some championships before he can be dubbed a leader
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 17, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"dubbed a leader"
Pun intended?
by James Kannengieser on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dub's Leadership
Before Pelf was pulled, Dub went to the mound by himself. Sitting there in the stands, we all noticed. One of the guys nearby said “He’s telling him to slow down because Green hadn’t been warming up long enough.” I think Pelf was too far gone at that point. The O’s were in his kitchen.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 17, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K-Rod/Cy
He is 10th in tRA* among relievers with 22 or more innings this. Pedro Feliciano is 8th (the only set up guys ahead of him are Thornton and Dj Carrasco on the White Sox)! Sean Green is 27th. Parnell 63rd. Stokes 86th. Even Putz is 126th.
Of course, only 133 guys even qualify.
But assuming you need at least 5 guys with that many innings, the mets are doing quite well. Sean Green is better than some team’s best guys (Nats of course, but yankees best guy is Rivera at 32, Blue Jays Downs at 29, Angels Arredondo at 41…).
Parnell would rank as a great number 3 guy for most teams, but he’s Mets 4th best.. That’s a good pen despite the Putz blow-up, and Green alone is salvaging at least something for that trade. Aaron Heilman is 101 on the list.
If any reliever deserves the Cy, it is Broxton.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your comment reminds me
I, as maybe some of you also, need to retract some of the things I said about Green earlier this year.
by TBlz on Jun 17, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, me too
that was my way of retracting.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes good point
Broxton is having an absurd season. He’s been unhittable.
by Zwill on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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