Should The Mets Trade Bobby Parnell?
by Sam Page on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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Or more specifically, should the Mets trade him for Nick Johnson, the rumored Nationals' asking price? James got me thinking about this question, and there's a pretty interesting debate to be had. Usually, I don't give full consideration to ever rumor that's whispered, but usually I have an immediate yes-or-no reaction. On first impression, I think I know what most would say. Mets fans are enamored with Parnell, and rightfully so, he's pitched well. But are we overrating him? Without considering the potential impacts on the rest of the bullpen, consider what kind of player Parnell is in the abstract.
He is not dominant. I know it's trite, but consider this Player A, Player B comparison:
Player A: 18.75% K, 10.16% BB, 60.7% GB, 11.2% LD
Player B: 18.10% K, 9.48% BB, 36.1% GB, 19.3% LD
Pretty similar, eh? On first glance, Player A seems slightly better. Well, if you don't know or haven't cheated, Player A is Sean Green and mystery man B is Parnell. The difference between the two, and their ERAs, is homers allowed. Given Parnell's relative flyball tendencies relative to Green, however, one would guess Parnell will have the worse luck going forward. Disregarding the youth and the 95 MPH fastball, Parnell seems like just a middle reliever. Not a closer-in-the-making, but a good, not great, piece in the bullpen.
Considering the youth and velocity, however, should we expect Parnell to improve? Without a credible secondary offering, the velocity of the fastball means less. His slider is more of a show me pitch, not an out-pitch, evidenced by his extremely low number of swinging strikes. This reliance on the fastball also makes it unlikely that his efficiency and walks improve, as he's got to locate his fastball and hitters can just sit on it and foul it away.
On the flipside, one could argue Parnell is necessary to preserve the stability of the bullpen. With Putz out and Stokes looking ineffective lately, the innings before Francisco Rodriguez need dependable relievers. Still, I think this argument gets blown out of proportion because of Mets fans' sensitivity to late-inning meltdowns. This bullpen, however, does not feature Aaron Sele or Guillermo Mota. Green, Feliciano, and Stokes could all probably do the same job. Wagner also says he'll be back in 30 days.
Other arguments for Parnell are that he's gotten unlucky with balls in play (.378 BABIP) and has been a better groundball pitcher historically (53.5% GB in the minors). Still, a fastball-first pitcher will see his share of homers, and they Mets could be said to be selling high for that reason.
If you can make the leap of faith that the bullpen will hold up, the swap of Parnell for Johnson in terms of straight value seems to favor the Mets. Parnell, in his current state, is worth about a win per season. That's probably his upside too, as he's unlikely to improve much from how he's pitched so far, and middle relievers rarely are worth more than a win. I wrote about Johnson earlier:
Assuming 300 PA and each firstbaseman playing to expectation, Johnson could be roughly a 2 win improvement over Delgado.
That figures to at least a 1.5 Win improvement, with a competent AAA reliever, or the return of Wagner, completely mitigating the loss of Parnell. Considering how Murphy's playing lately, the benefit may be even greater. Johnson would be a definite stabilizing force in the lineup and a great option to resign after this year. If you had told me before the season we could swap Parnell and some other worthless "prospect" like Kunz or Stoner for Nick Johnson, I probably would have done it, with Delgado healthy. Given the Mets situation now, however, the move seems like a no-brainer. The Mets would be wise to sell-high, and get a long-term solution at first for a middle reliever.
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Shouldn't we consider their contracts, age and team payroll?
by Michkin on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just adding some info
Info Parnell Johnson
Age 24 30
Salary 0.4M 5.5M
Contract 5.5 controlled years (?) Free agent in 2010
Payroll 149.4M 60.3M (not an easy task, there are different payroll values for the luxury tax than just adding the contracts. Let’s just leave that aside and consider the salaries)
by Michkin on Jun 18, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 5.5 years of Parnell, cheap salary, and 3 years of options
give the bullpen flexibility it hasn’t had the last two seasons. I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved for the right player, I just don’t think Nick Johnso is the right player. If Delgado was done for the year, I’d consider the move a little more. If a move is made now though, I think you have to consider where the player fits If Carlos comes back.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not for johnson
but i might for dunn
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 18, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would for Dunn. I was watching Loadmouths before the game last night, (absolutely nothing else on) and that butterball Carlin made the statement that the Mets shouldn’t even consider Dunn because they have no place to play him when Delgado comes back. I thought that was an incredibly stupid thing to say. Dunn can play the outfield which Johnson can’t. Plus Dunn is under contract after this year something that Delgado can’t say. If the Mets could get Dunn they should push for him.
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by sireric on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn would be a good fit
but he’s not going to be cheap. If the Mets are going to go after a guy like Dunn, I’d rather see them go the extra it would take to a better defensive alternative.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
But do you think Omar is going to admit that he screwed the pooch in the offseason by signing Ollie instead of Dunn, then go ahead and give away the prospects needed to make that type of deal?
I like Dunn and think that he could help us in the short term and next year as well, but if it costs Havens, Parnell, and Holt to get a guy that we could have had in the offseason just for the salary that we’d be paying him anyway, that would be crazy.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once we start talking about Havens and Holt
Omar might as well be talking to the A’s about Holliday.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think despite his defensive shortcomings
that Dunn probably has more value now. Holliday is in line for a massive deal this offseason and Dunn is under contract for one more year at a reasonable price. Holliday has also never played Right (where we would need him). His numbers have also come back to earth playing in a pitcher’s park. If I had a choice between the two, I’d take Dunn.
That said, I don’t want to lose Havens and Holt to get him.
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by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why right?
There’s a good sized hole in Left
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust Sheff (even at 40) more than Church at this point.
I personally like Church but don’t think he brings enough to the table offensively to be an everyday Corner Outfielder. If there is an opportunity to upgrade for the purpose of winning this year, I think it has to be in Right.
But again, we are depending on a 40 year old to carry the load in Left and I’m sure you remember the results the last time that happened so I see your point.
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by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheff seems like he's going to break down
if the mets have him play the outfield everyday. While I like him over Church, I’d like to see the Mets play it safe with him.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you that Parnell is slightly overrated
but considering this is really his first season as a reliever, the (as you mentioened) high BABIP and low GB%, I can improvement. More importantly, the trade comes to trading for a 3 and a half rental of a first basebman with games played of 62 (this year,) 38 (in 08,) and a big 0 in 07; to be fair the remaining years are games played of 147, 131, 73, 96, 129. Johnson is a 2 win improvement if he stays healthy. The trade really comes down to trading an alright young reliever with 5 and a half controlled years for a injury prone first baseman that can’t play anywhere else in the field and can be had for only money (I don’t think he’ll reach type b status) at the end of the season.
by Sokojoe on Jun 18, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd agree that Mets fans overrate Parnell,
but at the same time I’d argue that we undervalue Sean Green. He’s a pretty solid middle reliever, but his early season struggles have certainly led to his perception issues.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me good sir
I wrote this before Green went on his hot streak.
by Sokojoe on Jun 18, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short answer: selling high on Parnell is wise,
but it depends what you get back. Johnson, while a great player, is not a long-term solution at first base, has never put up typical power production first baseman should have, and will lead to tough times and decisions when Delgado returns.
Oh, and I wouldn’t throw Kunz away as some worthless “prospect”. He’s 23 years old and has a 2.76 ERA in AAA. He could be a valuable and cost-efficient relief option next year.
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
by MetsGeek on Jun 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Throw in that
Johnson might get hurt tomorrow.
by Mount17 on Jun 18, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Parnell is involved in a deal
I’d expect it to be an offseason one. It would be difficult to justify trading an important piece of the bullpen for 1st base help, the bullpen would just become another hole that needs some work.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering the woes in the bullpen in the last two years,
I would be very hesitant to trade someone like Bobby who, despite his recent struggles, has pitched pretty well for them. However, if he continues to struggle, I would trade him to a team who is high on him. At this point, I would hold on to him only because of the uncertain return dates for Putz and Wagner. But, things could be different at the end of July.
by meigs1414 on Jun 18, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point about Parnell relative to Green
If I recall correctly, when Parnell came up last year, people were really excited because (especially with Wagner out) everyone was fed up with all the “soft-tossers” in the bullpen and were happy to see a guy with the arm to just come in and blow hitters away. And while I guess that’s nice and all, throwing the ball hard doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to do that. It is, of course, still early for Parns, but it’s interesting to see that the results haven’t quite been like that yet.
by JoshNY on Jun 18, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"throwing the ball hard doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to [blow hitters away]"
see Farnsworth, Kyle
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
that was weird lol
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
by MetsGeek on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes i think the site just does that to mess with our heads
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"And while I guess that’s nice and all, throwing the ball hard doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to do that."
Agreed.
See Pelfrey, Mike.
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
by MetsGeek on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's kinda freaky
are you two like Tomax and Xamot?
by hotspur on Jun 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Parnell vs Green
Partially summing up what others have said:
Parnell is younger, cheaper, and has upside.
Parnell has been EXTREMELY unlucky this season to the tune of a .380+ BABIP. In May and April, it has been over .400. LD+.120 predicts a .310 average.
Selling Parnell would not be selling high because his ceiling seems to be much higher.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 18, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Parnell's issue is a luck thing
It has been mentioned, but I want to reiterate that all Parnell needs to do is develop the secondary stuff to be the lights out, dominant guy that alot of Mets fans believe he can be. At 84.7% FB, of course his BABIP is going to be high. If the average FB% is around 60-61% and the average BABIP is around .300, then it makes perfect sense that his would be much higher. As any former player can tell you, its a hell of alot easier to square up a FB when you know one is coming, no matter what the velocity. At age 25, he has time to work on the slower stuff, and at almost 10mph difference, the slider that he throws would make that great FB seem much faster to the average MLB hitter, causing the LD% to fall and the GB% and SStr% to rise.
by TBlz on Jun 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he need to develop his slider, sure. But there is NO reason for his BABIP to be that high, one pitch or not. If the idea was that people were just expecting and hitting his fastball because they know it’s coming, his LD% would be much higher and thus his expected BABIP would be higher as well. But his expected is only .310 which suggests and EXTREME amount of luck.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 18, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
And would like to add that his GB% seems to have room for improvement as well. In all of his extended minor league stops, Parnell posted a GB% over 50, except for his first year in Double-A, where it was 45.9% in Double-A 92 2007 innings, and then it shot up to 51.2% in in 129.3 Double-A innings in 2008. His career minor league GB% is 53.5%, though this is skewed a bit as at a handful of his stops he was pretty old for his level. Still, its hard to imagine it remains around 36% for too long.
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by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind trading parnell
But not for Nick Johnson.
And i agree he’s become a tad overrated.
by Clemenx00 on Jun 18, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need someone more versatile than a 1B
I like the idea of trading for someone who can play LF and 1B. Nick Johnson would be limited to spot appearances and pinch hitting after Delgado’s return.
Or maybe a right-handed 1B/C. Are there any of them around that aren’t Posada?
by TheBigStapler on Jun 18, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it
I said I’d do it two or three weeks ago, when Parnell was lights out, and I’d still do it.
by jasondg on Jun 18, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What do we do with Johnson when/if Delgado comes back?
He’s useless and we would have traded a young pitcher who we have under control at a reasonable salary for several more years. I’m not fully against trading Parnell, but if we are going to do it, the trade needs to be of some value for more than 2 months.
Otherwise, it’s a waste. I like Nick Johnson, but I’d take Murphy and Parnell over him at this point. If it’s determined that Delgado is out for the year, I might change my tune a tad out of desperation, but I still wouldn’t like it.
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by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What would even become of Murphy if we picked up another 1B?
Especially when Delgado comes back…
by dulciusEXasperis on Jun 18, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll always be a tweener for us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we should trade him to a team that needs a 3B.
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by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Right now he has a little value to us with Delgado out, but there really is no place for him long term here. The best he could probably be is a stop gap between when Castillo’s contract ends and Havens makes it to the big club. I don’t think that gap is long enough for him to hold substancial value to us.
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by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah guess so....I've just grown to like him.
It’s a shame the left field stint didn’t work out. Can we just throw him at second base? (though I believe he had trouble there when they were trying him out in preseason)
by dulciusEXasperis on Jun 18, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Mets are going to throw him in at 2nd base
they need to send him to AAA. His bat shows promise, but it hasn’t been good enough to justify that kind of move.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he could do it
But you’re right, he would need to play in the Winter and Spring at least to have it be plausable. That was the plan last year (in Winter League) until he was injured.
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by AnthonyR on Jun 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that he can't do it...
it probably will be pretty ugly at first. There’s already a hole at first base to use him at, and if he doesn’t play well enough to hold down a spot there then I think he has to move to the bench or AAA.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has value as a utility guy
assuming he can put on the 3B glove again and once in awhile play a corner OF spot. For all the talk about Murphy being “screwed” this season, he’s 4th on the team in plate appearances – he’s had a decent shot so far and hasn’t done much with it.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 18, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Parnell
but not for Nick Johnson. Conversely, I would trade for Nick Johnson, but not using Bobby Parnell. I think the combination of Parnell’s youth, contract, and the importance of the Mets’ bullpen in particular makes moving him something you should only do for a long term fix, and I don’t think Johnson is that. However, again, if we acquire Dunn, Holliday, etc. I’ll gladly make Parnell a centerpiece of that deal.
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by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this
is exactly what I was gonna say. Nick Johnson + Mets Training Staff = very scary combination. Plus, even if he somehow manages to not get hurt, what happens when Delgado comes back. I’d much much much rather get Adam Dunn.
by cjmulrain on Jun 18, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
I would have much much much preferred we acquired him over the offseason.
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by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, absolutely
I posted about this on another thread, that if we trade any of our top prospects for Adam Dunn after not signing him for nothing but money, I’m gonna slam my head into the wall
by cjmulrain on Jun 18, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have the Nats even mentioned trading Dunn?
I doubt they will. Their attendance is atrocious enough, and they need his bat in the lineup to keep at least some interest in the team. Also, their upper management situation is still in flux, so I’m not sure if they’d be willing to deal someone they have under contract past this season.
by dcmetsfan on Jun 18, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Johnson was younger, or more importantly not so prone to injuries then absolutely
But he’s not. Parnell is a cheap bullpen arm and for some reason we seem to have a real hard time finding/hanging onto those.
Also I’m not sure I would want Dunn more than Johnson, as far as for a long-termish solution, like 2 years. Dunn is more likely to have a really steep offensive decline, and cost more to resign but then of course Johnson is always injured so it might not even matter. I don’t think there’s anything I find more irritating than really talented really injury prone players.
by Gina on Jun 18, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thing you're a Mets fan
I don’t think there’s anything I find more irritating than really talented really injury prone players.
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by Sam Page on Jun 18, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we at least usually get those players when they're in those 40s
So it’s easier not to be frustrated since everyone, except apparently our gm, see its coming miles away. But players like Rickie Week or Milton Bradley, although Bradley would be fine if teams would stop being stupid and playing him in the field, seem so tantalizing like every year you think if they can just stay healthy they’re going to easily be a 4+ win player, and every year they start to take off and break out, and then every year they get injured.
by Gina on Jun 18, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see about gettting Dontrell Willis
He was just demoted down to AAA.
I’d give em Ollie Perez in a trade of headaches.
If he works out great. If not we really didn’t lose anything.
The asking price for Johnson may be a little too steep if they want Parnell. If that’s the case I’d rather Tejada.
by Chickendirt on Jun 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather keep Ollie...
he costs about the same and is only under contract for an extra season. While Ollie is erratic, Willis has been consistantly lousy for several years now.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ollie's pretty lousy too.
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by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
I’d rather not have either
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ollie is not one of my favorites on this staff
I think Willis needs a change of scenery. The fact that he has past success pitching in the NL East is why I would do the deal.
I don’t think of Willis as a potential 15-20 game winner. I would say that against some of the lesser teams in NL we have a better shot of winning with him as the 3rd-4th starter than with Redding, or Perez.
I think Ollie is finished pitching here. The Mets hope in acquiring him was to develop some consistency with him. That has not worked out and I don’t see them with any other choice right now but to move him.
Right now I think Willis would be their best return and a can’t lose scenerio. The fact that Perez is not deemed good enough to steal a spot from a guy like Redding really tells you where he has fallen with this team.
by Chickendirt on Jun 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be the fact that he's hurt, but what do I know
I think if he was healthy, he’d have no problem taking a spot from redding or nieve…I understand being frustrated that the Mets haven’t gotten anything out of him yet, but let the guy get healthy.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought last week Cohen and Darling mentioned that the Mets
were keeping Ollie on his minor league rehab stint on a permanent basis. I know he got injured back in May but I thought they mentioned Ollie has completely fallen out of favor anyways, despit the injury.
by Chickendirt on Jun 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still can't do that...
The union and MLB would be all over them for that, not to mention they’d never be able to sign a free agent again. He’s making his first rehab start in several weeks today, it’s quite possible that the guy was just hurt.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can do it as long as they like
You can do that with any player in any sport.
If they had him rotting sitting on his keister that would probably get them in trouble with the Union. You send anyone down that you like as long as you have them playing.
by Chickendirt on Jun 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't have a healthy player on the DL.
It’s a violation of the collective bargaining agreement. If they want to DFA him and send him down, they can do that. They can’t keep him in rehab limbo though…
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willis already had a change of scenary.
He’s just not as good anymore, his body kept growing and its throw his mechanics all of out of wack and he doesnt fool anyone with the delivery anymore. I would definitely say he’s way way more of a lost cause than Ollie. And we only save one year of money.
by Gina on Jun 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should trade for Kila Ka'aihue instead!
He’s hitting .271/.417/.483 in AAA this season and will definitely cost less than Johnson would.
Alright, this obviously wouldn’t be a sure fix for any issues we have at 1st, but I love anybody with plate discipline like that.
I just don’t believe Nick Johnson is what we need. Plus, if we sold high on Parnell and made the wrong choice, say he does become a pretty good starter, we’d have to deal with him playing in division.
by BlackOps on Jun 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to cost less than Johnson...
He’ll cost a considerable amount more. He’d be a cost controlled hitter for 6 seasons. He’s one of KC’s top prospects…I don’t see how you think he’d come cheap.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats assuming KC values him correctly
And there’s not really any reason to think they do. They were trying to get rid of Grienke in the off-season because they thought he was a worthless bust, it wasn’t until they realized teams were lining up to trade for him that they decided to extend him.
by Gina on Jun 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if those rumors
had any more real substance to them than the Matt Cain rumors. Even if KC undervalues him, he’s still not going to be cheaper than Nick Johnson. I’d say there’s much less reason to think they undervalue him than reason to think they don’t.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
that every pitcher the A’s have had in the Beane era has been available at the right price. Thats not an indicator that Beane undervalues his players, just that he’ll deal if it makes sense. The fact that Grienke is still in KC makes it very difficult to say they undervalue him.
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by Schmidtxc on Jun 18, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parnell for Johnson?
not in a million years.
by NostraChronus on Jun 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be a lot more willing to make that deal if...
Johnson could stay healthy for more than four months at a time.
Tremendous talent, but the Mets have already done this song and dance too many times (Alou, Pedro, Duque, Delgado to some extent). If we’re trading Parnell for anyone, he better be able to stay on the field.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement
by riversmccown on Jun 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a rule...
I’d prefer they no longer do trades with the Nats. Not worth it.
DeRosa is still much more interesting.
by David G on Jun 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Johnson isnt worth Parnell
However, Parnell isnt untouchable. Johnson is to injury prone for me to make this deal.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 18, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mets Have Other Issues to Worry About
This Mets team is very predictable you know they get up for the good teams and then play down to bad teams. To lose to Baltimore was no surprise to me thats how this team plays the intensity is only there for a couple of days then poof!! like magic its gone. The Mets have a history of trading away good pitchers Tom Seaver (terrific) Nolan Ryan (ryan express) David Cone@ Dwight Gooden to name a few. I don’t think they would trade Parnell at this point for a hitter because of the melt down they have with the pitching in September. We have to face the facts as hard as it is this is a mediocre baseball team right now and they are lucky the Phillies are playing so poorly because Jerry would be out of a job right now Right Willie??
Bigtimemetsfan
by longtimemetfan on Jun 21, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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