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"I felt really good," said Perez, whose fastball was clocked in the low 90s. "I’m a little tired because it’s hot, but I feel strong. I threw three innings, and I was using all my pitches. I used my slider, backdoor, in good situations, behind the count, my change-up, too.

"I’m happy I had good command, and I was throwing a lot of strikes."

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Nevermind!

I clicked the link. Low 90’s… still sounds too low.

by TheBigStapler on Jun 18, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's about right for Ollie

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Stephen Schmidt on Jun 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only because there's a fudge factor worked in there

He was throwing low nineties with the Mets in 2007 (90.5) and 2008 (91.2).

by Eric Simon on Jun 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't he been in the low 90s since coming to the Mets

The last time I remember him hitting 95 and up regularly was when he was on Pit.

he’s always been around 90 with us

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jun 18, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed, maybe incorrectly

that the article meant he hit the low 90’s, as opposed to averaged in the low 90’s.

by TheBigStapler on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think the question needs to be was he sitting like, 89-91 like he had been early this year, or 91-93 like he had been previously.

I don’t know how much it actually means, but the thing Rick Peterson always used to rave about Ollie with was his ability to hit lots of different velocities. He’d throw his fastball as low as 90, 91 and touch like, one or two that were 94 or 95. Then he had two different breaking balls, one in the mid 80s and one in the high 70s. And his changeup was just so inconsistent, he’d throw it at all kinds of different velocities.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

When he worked things out originally with Warthen

making that “back and forth rock” in his delivery, I think his velocity went up a to the 94-95 range, I probably should do some research though. He was putting all his energy towards the plate instead of Peterson’s side to side motion. But 91-93 is a huge difference from the 86-89 junk that he was throwing this year.

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by Preach19 on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess these days 36 mill gets you

3 pretty good minor league innings at low nineties. Yippee

by Rigsay on Jun 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Of course,

in the following three innings, he got distracted by a call by the ump, then five straight singles.

Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.

by IanB in MD on Jun 18, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

The Magic are finished

Time for him to get out of Florida.

by Mount17 on Jun 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

well said

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Stephen Schmidt on Jun 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw you, Ollie.

I’m really tempted to boo him. I know I shouldn’t, but I honestly feel like he’s an ass.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this good news?

Shouldn’t any major league caliber pitcher feel good pitching in A ball?

by Reg Dunlop on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It doesn't matter - it's still good news

We all know that on days when Ollie can’t get major league hitters out, he wouldn’t be able to get anyone out. When he can get minor leaguers out, it means he can get anyone out. Have you ever watched him pitch one of his bad games and thought “I bet he could still get minor leaguers out”?

by djg2111 on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Stephen Schmidt on Jun 18, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Omar's though process was

(and I am not saying it was the correct thought process)

that hey, we have a guy who has been a nice number 3 or 4 starter for us the last couple of years. Still 27, power arm. So much more untapped talent. So, I pay him 3/36, and if he doesn’t regress or improve, I overpaid a bit for a number 4 starter. However, if he conquers his one vice, the base on balls, he could pay huge dividends. Lets face it, Ollie may never overcome his walk problems, but there have been plenty of similar left handed power arms that never quite figured it out until their late 20’s. So, if Ollie can ever find a way to get his BB/9 down around 3, he will be downright dominant, because he doesn’t get hit hard. The problem lies in if he totally bombs, but in Omars defense, Ollie gave the Mets on decent year and one very good one. Even if he threw up 3 years like 2008, he would be overpaid, but nothing devastating. This contract can still end up working out.

Also, funny how some of you guys take this shit that players say all seriously. I would think that kind of idiocy would be better suited for the kids over at Metsblog. You guys make sarcastic remarks about what Ollie had to say after the game……. what is he supposed to say? I felt like shit? I sat on my left nut during the middle of the first inning and it made my stomach hurt the rest of my outing? I don’t think I will ever make it back to the majors?

You shouldn’t hate Ollie just because you preferred Lowe, or because you think Omar overpaid for him. Just like you shouldn’t hate Castillo because he was smart enough to take way too much money to play where he wanted. For the record, I would have preferred Ollie at 3/36 then Lowe for 4/60. With Johan’s deal, I feel much more comfortable having a 27 year old locked up for 3 years rather then a 36 year old locked up for 4 years, even with Lowe’s track record of durability. I also think Ollie will make some strides and at the end of his deal, nobody will look back and think what a huge mistake it was, even if he isn’t spectacular over these 3 years.

I just can’t help but think there is so much more Ollie is capable of, and there is only one thing he needs to fix to turn that potential into results. I think Omar paid too much for Perez. I think a 3/27 deal would have been more appropriate, but I did prefer the 10 year younger Ollie to Lowe, I will say that much.

"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez

by nrmax88 on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree on all counts

and you are saying that you feel it was the correct thought process, assuming that one of the two pitchers mentioned were getting signed. It wouldn’t shock me if Ollie is just about done, and it wouldn’t shock me if he has a mets career much like Victor Zambrano (with hidden arm problem and all). It also wouldn’t shock me if he cut down on walks and turned into the next Randy Johnson. Thats a gamble thats probably worth paying for. Just like Zambrano, he is probably the Mets pitcher most likely to throw a no-hitter this side of Santana…

by djg2111 on Jun 18, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it wouldn't surprise you that Ollie is just about done

then there’s absolutely 0 justification for giving him that deal over Lowe. Zero.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree almost entirely with this.

Lowe is not your normal 36 year old pitcher. Derek Lowe spent years in the bullpen, and then became a starter later in his career. Despite being 9 years older, Lowe’s only pitched about 5 or 6 more years worth of innings than Ollie. His average fastball velocity has increased almost every single year since he became a starter, had his best year last year and is on track to best 2008 so far this year. All in all, signing Derek Lowe to an extra year over Perez was not unintelligent at all, especially when our other pitchers were all under 30.

This also brings up the subject of unnecessary risk, which Omar took. We had, prior to signing anyone in the offseason: one of the best pitchers in the game who had just had surgery (Santana), a mid to late 20s #3ish righty coming off surgery (Maine), and a 25 year old ground ball pitcher with potential entering a year in which he would be a candidate for the Verducci effect. The last thing we needed was to take a risk, and that’s what we did. Oliver Perez is not a safe signing. Or a good one, for that matter. But even if you sign him to a small amount of money, you do not sign him to be your #3 pitcher and consider your rotation “fixed”. You just don’t, and I said all of this before the season began. All of it, and I KNEW this would happen: the rotation wouldn’t hold up, and we would regret not signing Lowe.

Some people (Matt Cerrone) say that the window for this team is closing. I do not agree with this at all. However, this is a team that can and should be winning now, and hopefully for the forseeable future. That can’t happen if we spend money foolishly, and that means that sometimes you have to disregard age and potential and just focus on the most important question: who is the better pitcher, and who fits better into this team? Ollie had three distinct advantages over Lowe: age, one year less on the contract, and his left-handedness. That is not enough to give him the edge, and Omar should have known that.

And “untapped potential”? Perez’s velocity has dropped, his changeup was 5 mph off from his fastball (which is shitty as all hell), and I also disagree with you on the fact that his one vice is walks. He walks too much, for sure. His BB/9 is consistently significantly above the average, and even last year, his K/BB was only 1.71, which is not very good at all. But additionally, his HR/9 is bad as well, consitently below (or above, depending on your viewpoint) average. He hasn’t had an FIP below 4.30 since 2004. This is all doable and overcomable as a #4 pitcher, but not as someone with the “potential” to be a #2.

I agree with you on one point: we shouldn’t be mad at Ollie. He just got the best deal available for him. However, almost all Met fans that really looked at both sides would have absolutely argued that Lowe was a much better, and even safer, investment.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

that he gives up homeruns, but so does Johan. If Ollie could ever stop walking guys, the rest of his peripherals show he can be dominant. He gives up way fewer hits then IP when he is healthy, and a lot of those HR’s would be solo HR’s without walking the yard, rather then the 3 run homers we are used to.

"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez

by nrmax88 on Jun 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's not easy to just "stop walking guys".

It’s certainly not worth a $36 mil investment over 3 years. When this is the company Oliver Perez has over his career in terms of similar players, that is not a commitment you make. Period.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

And that should have been a reply to nrmax.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrific

So his ETA in the big leagues is what? 2011? After Holt and Mejia make their debuts in 2010, the Mets have the makings of—— wait what? He’s 27 and signed for $36 million? Oh shit, nevermind. Hopefully he’s not too depressed that the Magic’s season is over.

by James Kannengieser on Jun 18, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 18, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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