Game Theory 101: The Chaos Gangsta
Gary Cohen made an interesting point last night, and it got me thinking. For all the things Jerry Manuel is, one thing he is not is predictable. This was noted by Gary in a positive light. In a sense, this point is very relevant. Game decisions in almost any competitive situation should have a degree of unpredictability, of apparent chaos to them. This is why a human can beat a computer at chess. A computer is always going to make the best computable move, whatever move seems to yield the best mathematical outcome. A person who also understands the outcomes, in this case, has an automatic advantage, because he can also accurately predict what moves the computer will make. The probabilities to the human are no longer probabilities, they are causalities, and can thus be countered at every turn, even if its by a move that may not seem mathematically ideal. When your opponent is a human, this level of presumption goes out the window. You cannot predict a person's decisions with this degree of accuracy, and a person can even go so far as to try and consciously deceive you. Thus, chaos and deception become a fundamental and dynamic element of game theory. But there's a problem with trying to project this justification for unpredictability on Jerry. Deception is only relevant when your opponent's reaction is important. When it comes to decisions that have little to no effect on your opponent's decisions, it doesn't particularly matter how obvious or subtle you are in your reasoning. It just matters that your reasoning is correct and yields the best chance of getting yourself some WPA points.
The reason I make this point is because what Jerry did last night was in direct contrast to what some of us railed him for in this game. If you'll remember, in this game, in the 5th inning, Tim Redding was left in with a two run lead, two runners on, and two outs. He surrendered a run scoring double to backup catcher George Kottaras. Then, with Nick Green due up, Redding was relieved by Sean Green with the tying and go ahead runs in scoring position. Green gave up the base hit to Green, and the Sox took the lead, which they would maintain and build on in the following innings.
Last night, you had a similar situation, albeit an inning later. Livan Hernandez had runners on first and second and two outs after yielding a single to second string catcher Jason Jaramillo. This time, in contrast to the Redding decision, Livan was not given a chance to close the inning. And again in contrast, instead of using a specialist like Green to try and record the final out of the inning, Jerry went straight to Bobby Parnell to pitch to Jack Wilson. In this case, Parnell preserved the lead, at least for the time. With three of the first four batters due up in the 7th inning being left handed, Pedro Feliciano was brought into the proper situation, removing Parnell from the game and continuing to protect the two run lead. But the problem didn't come until the eighth inning, when a predictably shaky J.J. Putz didn't have the saftey net of the team's two most effective relievers not named Frankie. Now Jerry has a major problem. He has a reliever who's faced five batters without recording an out and while allowing three runs (one inherited) to score. He no longer has the lead, so on the road, he obviously can't use Frankie. So he has to rely on Brian Stokes, Ken Takahashi, and Sean Green to try and keep the game close and give his bats a chance to plate some runs.
The moral of this story is this: Jerry is not unpredictable for the sake of deception. He is unpredictable because his reasoning is flawed. These were virtually identical situations. They required no attempt to deceive the opposing manager, yet he made a completely different set of decisions. Its quite conceivable that the shift in stratagem between these two games was completely related, and that Jerry was being reactionary to the poor ultimate outcome of the Redding game in Boston. Maybe he didn't even realize it. Maybe it was just in his "gut". Or maybe there was some other line of reasoning involved here that we just can't know. Maybe he just doesn't like the way "5th inning" and "Bobby Parnell" feel together. For all I know, he flipped a coin. Either way, at best, he was wrong once and right once, and neither time did he land on a successful outcome. I wonder what will happen next time a Mets Starting Pitcher struggles in the middle innings of a close game....
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for the title, but also for the content. Your take from the Sunday game in Boston was well in the front of my mind when folks started getting on the decision to bring Parns in in the 6th inning last night.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
Well done
I didn’t really understand using Parnell in the 6th inning, up 5-3 — and for one out. And he knew it’d only be for one out, since as you mentioned, a bunch of LHBs were due up. Jerry essentially — and knowingly — wasted Parns.
Of course, I also had no problem with using Green (though I recall preferring Stokes) in the Boston game.
Yeah
I remember discussing it with you at the time, we agreed on Stokes/Green. But, I mean, even if you say its close enough that either decision could be acceptable, my real confusion is why he went in such drastically different directions in such similar situations. I’d almost prefer he was consistent on this kind of thing, even if it was consistently the position I disagreed with. At least that would indicate some kind of stable thought process.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The simplest answer
is that there’s no rhyme or reason to what he’s doing, and it’s all gut feel. Why pay him a big-league salary as opposed to, say, a 10 year old?
Good points
This is why Jerry Manuel has begun to frustrate me. His strategy wavers from game to game, with no apparent logic behind each different decision.
Really, Jerry?
Looks to me
That if anything, cite Jerry’s optimism as a flaw, but I can understand the reasoning. Putz reports that he feels good, Warthen reports that he’s taken to some minor adjustments in his BP that day, the ball was “coming out of his hand good”, and it all adds up to confidence (premature, we know) in your 8th inning guy.
So then, if you believe that Putz has righted the ship, it becomes kind of a no brainer. You cant go to Green or Takahashi in the 6th, and if the inning goes the way it should, that situation could be the biggest leverage spot in the ball game. Parns gets the outs, Pedro shuts the door on the lefties in the 7th, Putz survives the 8th, and Frankie closes the door.
Who knew that Putz would shit the bed? again?
Well, sure
but Meddler’s point, I think, is that you can’t blow your second-best and non-closer relief arm that early, since you know you have to go through the lineup again.
Also, if you can’t use Green there in the 6th, he just shouldn’t be on the roster.
Exactly
I mean, a big difference here was that Frankie wasn’t crippled with back spasms last night, and I’m sure that was part of the decision in the Red Sox game. But risks should always be calculated, and they don’t often seem to be with Mr. Manuel.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with anything
Being stated here. I am just not sure that saying becuase its the 6th that you cant use Parnell.
I know this is simplifying the issue, but looking at the leverage indexes from last night show that Parnell was in the more important position overall (3.60 pLI to Putz’s 3.09 per FanGraphs) Putz did possess the highest LI for a play at 5.20, but that was his own doing after two singles at LI 2.41 and 3.34, respectively. Linked here and here for reference.
Again, IMHO, if he believed that Putz was at least going to survive, I cant fault Jerry for using the best reliever you have in that spot in the sixth.
Yeah I'm not saying its inherently incorrect
But for one out? That I can’t condone. And part of the point regarding leverage is that when you spend a reliever early, you just don’t know what the leverage situation is going to be one or two innings or outs down the road. An identical situation in the 8th should always have a higher leverage than an identical situation in the 6th. The LI of the situation Parnell was brought into in the 6th was Livan’s fault. Just because it was Putz’s fault that the LI of his situation increased after he was brought in, that doesn’t make it less meaningful. If anything, that’s also why its important to have some kind of safety net in the late innings.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez, Meddler, all this just to continue our dispute?
You shouldn’t have ;)
In all seriousness, though, I wasn’t really arguing for Parnell to be in there for one out regardless of the situation. You have to use him to get as many high leverage outs as you can, and does one high leverage out trump several slightly less high leverage outs? Probably not. But my argument was for him to come in, finish the inning, and stay in another inning. In the other game, in the fifth inning, that was probably less feasible. But it was definitely a possibility last night. You could bring in Parns for the 6th, keep him in for the 7th, and have Feliciano and Stokes available to pitch the 8th or get an out in the 7th if need be. If pressed, I would say bringing in Stokes in the 6th would be smart, PedroDos in the 7th, Parns in the 8th, and Frank the Closer in the 9th. But any combination of those guys would be effective to get the last 10 outs.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Yeah I can understand that
My point here isn’t so much about which situation is correct and which is incorrect, just that I don’t understand why Jerry handled such similar situations so completely differently. That indicates a lack of sound reasoning on his part.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Use your gut for food not for thinking. Instincts are one thing, but it just seems like he doesn’t anticipate situations at all, he just uses what “feels” right all the time and lets the dice fall.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitch counts might play into his "reasoning"
Redding was at 90 pitches when Kottaras came up in that scenario. Livan was pulled after throwing 103 pitches while making a start on normal rest following a 127-pitch CG last week. I know he has the rubber arm and all but maybe Jerry felt that he had reached his limit and would no longer be effective. Yes, that’s just one possible reason for his decision and maybe I’m giving him too much credit but at the very least it seems logical. (Obviously that doesn’t address the insertion of Parnell vs Green.)
I also feel like we’re slightly underrating the importance of “gut feel” (for lack of a better term) when making decisions, managerial or otherwise. It’s Manuel’s job to assess all the information presented to him, which may be as tangible as recent platoon splits for a particular hitter or as intangible as his pitcher’s body language. It’s his job to know his players. It’s his job to know what it means if Livan is shaking off calls for a fastball or pacing around the mound between pitches. All these clues must be assessed and appropriately weighted. Perhaps the gut instinct should not override convincing data pointing to a different conclusion, but it should at least be considered when making the decision.
Right
I understand all that, it obviously wasn’t exactly the same situation, but it was similar enough. Its not so much removing the pitcher when he did, its that this time he was more willing to use Parnell. I’m assuming part of this was Frankie’s lack of availability in the Sox game, but still, spending your second best reliever for one out in the sixth? It got him into trouble. Why was it okay to use Green before but not this time? Obviously, there is a reason, I just don’t think there’s a good one, whatever it may be. Also, I probably never would have noticed/scrutinized this situation had Jerry not made so many peculiar and “unpredictable” decisions in the first place.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes that's fair
I don’t mean to imply that I think Jerry has a grand plan or really knows what he’s doing. We’ve seen him for a year now – clearly he doesn’t.
Call me old school
but I miss the days when centerpede was the only 101.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Ha
I’ve actually always wanted to run some discussions on Game Theory in general, since pure statistical analysis and I have some limitations together. So get used to it buddy. I may use the title again ;).
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jun 2, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions





























