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umm . . . fuck?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe mlb will take pity on the mets
and let wright bat twice in the lineup if beltran misses time.
by englishgrey on Jun 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Luke, there is another
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 21, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let him have the surgery if he needs it.
This team won’t make the playoffs anyway.
by All Shook Down on Jun 21, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
we’re going down to the wire with Philly in suckiness. The ’73 Mets were what, 82-80?
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Jun 21, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so were the '06 Cardinals
I will now impale myself with a rusty knife
by cjmulrain on Jun 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More good news from the Injury Dept!
::::Rigsy seen scaling back expectations for 09’ campaign::::::
by Rigsay on Jun 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great...this is like the 3rd day in a row he's spoken about this.
Sounds wonderful…
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but its hard to make sense of
b/c he has yet to give us a %
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I don't care.
Play and shut up or go on the DL. If he’s hurt, fine…it should be dealt with appropriately and he should not continue to be run out there. If he’s just banged up and can play, quit bitching about it.
One or the other.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did he bitch?
This quote is just him talking about the upcoming results of his MRI. Carlos NEVER complains and he’s played through tons of injuries.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 21, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 3rd day in a row and the last time he was out he complained before hand
Not to mention the neck and other things over the course of his career here.
I’m just pissed that this is occurring, but whenever the guy is hurt, he has no problem telling everyone about it. I think that has a lot to do with the sentiment around him. Whether that’s right or wrong, ???.
This has been going on for a couple of days.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/blog/2009/06/carlos_beltrans_right_knee_is.html
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate beltran
he talks about his injuries, remains in the lineup, and then produces, even making an awesome sliding catch on a wet and slippery outfield. what an asshole.
by englishgrey on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, who does he think he is
besides one of the best 10 players in baseball and a future Hall of Famer (if the BBWAA aren’t idiots)
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBWAA
don’t hold your breath with them..
"I told him the next time he does that, I’m going to get my blade out and cut him, right on the field. Hey, I’m a gangsta now. You go gangsta on me, I’m gonna have to get you now." - Jerry Manuel
by dave the rave on Jun 22, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not fair at all. Calm yoself, bro.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 21, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1000
he has done everything but bitch. Pay attention before you post
by Endys Game on Jun 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And seriously, knowing the Mets medical staff
the only way for him to get attention to it is to say it hurts in public.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hurt but I can play, oh wait, I'm too hurt to play and can't do it anymore...blah, blah, blah.
Buck up…reading things like this is freaking annoying. Just play the game and if you’re hurt, then sit
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, fuck that guy
Basically playing with 1 good leg and still managed to get on base 3 times today. Gosh, what an IDIOT! Only a gamer would do the right thing and go to the DL. Beltran certainly isn’t a gamer.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then do it and don't bitch about it.
Trade his ass…everyone is right. He is what is wrong with this club. He should be talking about how bad his team sucks and what to do about it instead of saying “Mommy, it hurts. I can’t play anymore”.
Big Leaguers go out there everyday more hurt than this guy and don’t say a word about it. Go get your MRI and go to the DL. Bitch.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, he has 2 good legs
He has a bone bruise on his knee. Unless something is torn, he should be out there playing and shutting his mouth. He’s a diva and I have a good feeling that the MRI is going to be fine. He doesn’t have enough balls to go out there and play if it wasn’t.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 21, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand what you're taking exception to
That his knee is sore? So what? He’s done everything you want him to do. Who cares what he says to the media? And shouldn’t the organization be extra careful regarding? Isn’t this exactly what we’ve spent the last year criticizing the medical staff about?
And this isn’t some nothing injury. Will Carroll said from the beginning that this is something that might just be with him for the rest of his career depending on how bad the joint is, and could effect his longevity. Even in the immediate sense, there are on-the-field manifestations. His UZR/150 pace for this year is -8.1. That’s down from 8.8 last year, a net of more than -16 runs. That’s a HUGE difference, his glove alone is on pace to be worth more than 1.5 wins fewer than it was worth last year. Its hard to imagine this is a natural year to year decline.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking exception to the fact that everything he has said for the past 3 days has been about him.
Nothing about the team. Every question regarding the game or team ended up revolving around his knee. Honestly, I want to trade the guy and don’t want this out there. I’ve said it since the beginning of the year that if we don’t break though, he should be the one to go.
Like you said, his defense is deteriorating and he will not keep up this offensive production for the rest of the year. If this is a reoccuring problem, this franchise is screwed. Get Jay Horowitz, master of the spin to get him to shut the hell up.
Tell me that you wouldn’t take Lars Anderson, Clay Buchholz and Jason Bay (or someone of that ilk with the $16 mil a year savings) over him?
It’s about winning a championship and as talented as he is, I don’t know that he is ever going to be the lead link in on Championship Team.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, what about the time he declared the Mets the team to beat?
Pretty sure that was a statement about the team. How about when he said they were better than the Pirates in frustration a few weeks ago? Was he talking about his knee being better than the Pirates? I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. His knee hurts, the media asks him about it, he answers.
And as for trading him for those three, good luck. Jose Reyes is one thing, but a 31 year old superstar making $45 million over the next two and a half years and a no trade clause isn’t netting you anything close to what a 26 year old superstar due about half that amount of money over that span could. Plus, the Sawx don’t need a CF unless they’re putting Ellsbury in the package. But that point is moot, since the Red Sox aren’t giving up two of the 25 best prospects in baseball and a valuable MLB regular for Beltran.
I’d honestly prefer the Mets traded Reyes, I don’t really see how trading Beltran could net them a value gain. Too much money to move around, then having to convince him to waive his NTC, it’d be a mess. Wright is just too friggin’ consistently amazing to deal, plus he’s locked up for two years longer than Beltran or Reyes. Dealing Reyes in the offseason could get you some kind of peak value return, since he has multiple cheap years remaining, but FA is starting to loom, and his price tag is going to go up dramatically when that happens. If the Mets are having payroll difficulties now and they can’t even fill out a roster, what happens when Reyes is making $15-20 million a year instead of $5-10 million per year? I love watching him play, but I’m tired of watching this organization treat money like its meaningless and then bitch about the luxury tax threshold. Either start spending smarter or pay Selig his tax.
Besides, with Beltran, even if his defense is declining, he’s shown no real signs that his bat is. Sure, his .364 BABIP is a bit high, so maybe he puts up a .385-.390 wOBA for the rest of the year instead of the .413 mark he’s got right now. He’s still pacing his career in K% and has his usual awesome BB%. Sure, his power has dropped off a bit, but aside from Delgado’s healthy few weeks and Sheff’s resurgence, whose hasn’t on this club? Picking up a better defensive outfielder and moving Beltran to a corner could be a really savvy move, and Beltran would still be an awesome player, even if he’s not a Super-CF anymore.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I mean
Everything he says is crap. Look, he is an incredibly talented player, but he didn’t back up the “Best Team in the Division” thing, the Pirates comment was deflecting responsibility by denegrating another team instead of looking in the mirror and leading his own team, and he’s been a noted whiner since the Kansas City days.
He has just rubbed me the wrong way lately. Maybe what I said was a little over the top, but I don’t see this guy leading us anywhere.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who gives a crap if he leads anything
why the hell does the team need leaders? why cant these adult professionals figure out how to do their jobs without clubhouse leaders? the whole leadership issue is a canard. baseball is a team sports but theres very little teamwork involved. beltran is the ideal baseball team mates. he does his job and he lets everyone else do theirs. you think mouthing off to the press about the team is going to make oliver perez pitch better or jose reyes come back from the DL faster or any other number of things that is actually holding this team back?
i understand your frustrated but your rants agasint beltran are unfounded and getting really annoying. fine, he pisses you off. great. dont buy his jersey. but stop making up a bunch of bullshit to explain why beltran is ‘no good for the team’.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't made up one thing.
He is what he is. An extremely talented player who is a whiner and we can’t afford to have that on this team.
Player leadership can be of less importance if you have a strong manager, but seeing as Willie and Jerry are 2 momo’s, it needs to come from within.
The lack of it leads to unfullfilled promise, which is exactly what this team has been for 3 years.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so because Beltran said his knee was sore now?
after he has been playing well on a bad knee for two years, he gets grief from you? And this is somehow related to why the Mets failed the last three years how ? And I guess that means you throw in 2006 as well why? Your logic is what exactly? I should take this seriously because??
You sound like another guy who has never gotten over strike 3 in game 7 of the 2006 NLCS. Maybe you are elifriedman under a new user name.
by Endys Game on Jun 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problems with strike 3. That pitch would have frozen anyone.
I’m saying that he is not the sole reason, but a part of why this team has failed. I think that his leadership and personality is not that of your typical $17 million a year veteran.
We knew what he was when we signed him. It’s not his fault as much as it is Minaya’s, but you’d think you would mature over time, play the game with some passion and lead this team rather than saying things like: “Right now, if something is going to get worse, I can’t be playing”, when half the team is out.
He played well last night so obviously it’s possible. Suck it up for your team.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your contention that poor leadership from beltran contibuted to the missed opportunities of the past few years
is the total bullshit i was referring to. and this assertion is, in fact, completely made up.
if you can somehow produce eveidence that beltran is someone “we can’t afford to have on this team” please by all means do so. otherwise, you arent going to have any luck (thankfully) convincing anyone of your rediculous theory, so you may as well give it a rest. you dont like beltran. we get it.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jun 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you may not want to look up Beltran's numbers the past two Septembers
Needless to say they don’t support your thesis.
by Endys Game on Jun 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What good are they if he is going to ask out
before we can even get there. That’s my point. I am not debating is talent.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is your point?
I honestly don’t know. Guy played in 161 games last year
by Endys Game on Jun 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that I don't feel he's worth the money anymore.
It’s just an opinion. We’re talking about something that cannot be quantified. It’s just how I feel. If someone said the same thing to me 2 years ago, I would have replied the same way.
Like I said, maybe I’m off base, but it just how I feel. I don’t think he’s got the hutzpuah to lead us to a Championship. And, if he can’t to that, what good is he for the money he’s making?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But aren't
Decisions based on “having a feeling” exactly what this website stands against? I just think you’re barking up the wrong tree here.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What good is statistical analysis without common sense.
The two go together. One without the other does not paint the whole picture in all cases.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying
Common sense = gut intuition? Because I completely disagree with that. There are plenty of people in this world who rely on their instincts too much and still lack common sense. In fact the statement “My decision was based on a gut intuition” seems to fit well with “though it seemed contrary to common sense”. These two things are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive.
Common sense is being able to make sound decisions, and at least as importantly, prioritizing your cognitive capacity to all the various decisions you’re constantly faced with. How much effort is this decision worth to me?
Instinct is the level of decision making with the lowest cognitive effort. Its the decisions that don’t require thought. Reserved for things like seeing a delicious looking piece of food and deciding whether or not to eat it. Not abstract judgments about people doing with physical abilities on a level you and I can only dream about.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omir Santos is a great example.
Everyone will damn him to sub-replacement level hell due to his Minor League numbers. There is more to it than that. I know guys who have played with him who say he has gotten in much better shape and completely rebuilt his swing and doesn’t even resemble that guy anymore. How do you account for that in statistical analysis? You can’t. It is a wonderful tool, but cannot be the “be all, end all” because there are too many potential variables involved. I’m not saying “gut instict” because that’s what simple people like Jerry use to live their lives. I’m just saying that it cannot take in to account EVERYTHING and there are going to be instances where things slip though the cracks when that is your only method of evaluation. It is very useful, but far from perfect without all information disclosed.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know a guy
who knows Beltran too, who says like, his mole makes him say crazy things to the press?
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence you want, I’ll keep working with all the information I have. Tim Dierkes has a column every spring over at rotoauthority called Spring Training Cliches. At best, there’s a tangible statistical change for maybe 5% of these players, and that’s being generous.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 23, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine you don't think he is worth the money
I can respect that view even if I don’t agree with it. But to reach that conclusion based on three days worth of comments over an injury he has suffered from for almost two years is just plain weird.
by Endys Game on Jun 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not based on 2 days worth of comments.
It’s based on 13 years in the league.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well my opinion is that your opinion is lacking factual evidence.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Google "Carlos Beltran whiner"
I’m sure you’ll find some.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that is a great test!!!
why don’t you google Obama and “false birth certificate” ? You will find many more hits? Should we impeach him based on this evidence?
by Endys Game on Jun 23, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I wasn't saying Bay was included in the deal.
He’s an FA so with the trade and subsequent freeing up of salary, you could also pick up a Jason Bay, Matt Holiday or other big time FA. I agree and don’t think we could get that kind of weight for him, but I’d ask around.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't hurt to ask
Especially if an AL team is willing to risk overvaluing him with the DH as a fallback. But its still a lot of money to move around, as well as a NTC to get through. I just don’t see the Mets getting fair value, especially for a big market team.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think it's time.
If we received a top prospect and the payroll flexibility to get someone else in here, I think it’s worth it.
The staus quo is not working. It all is mute point anyway if he is damaged goods. This should have happened this off-season.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jun 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on your definition of "Top Prospect"
This year’s FA class is pretty weak, I’m not sure how much payroll flexibility would help there, it might help in terms of making a separate trade though. But by my definition of “Top Prospect,” I just don’t see how Beltran nets you one. When was the last time a player already due $18.5 million for the upcoming season brought back a top prospect?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well UZR uses info from Shea in it's calculations, I believe
so his UZR may not actually be that bad. I’m no sabermetrician but I remember reading that on FanGraphs.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 22, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
The +/- system likes him more than UZR does.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 22, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's true
But I have a hard time believing that accounts for its perceived -16 run differential. CF in citi isn’t THAT much bigger.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to you? No. No. No. No.
You are so wrong. SO Wrong.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Headline reads:
Struggling Remaining Mets combine to form Carlos Voltron Buffalo Bisons.
by TheBigStapler on Jun 21, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Heh
rec’d
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
At least we haven’t seen Mike Lamb yet?
You know what’s really sad, the fact that the Bisons are currently fielding players who are probably actually better than their big league counterparts. Javier Valentin>Omir Santos. Jon Niese>half of the rotation. Gross.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 22, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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