Open Thread: Mets vs Cardinals
by Eric Simon on Jun 23, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
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Well you people get your wish
Fernando in center. This should be interesting.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Tatis still 4th, geez
If Wright gets on first, look for the immediate steal, or the hit and run. At least I hope.
Another day off for Sheff, too.
Also, what’s up with no Schneid again? Low ball hitter vs. low ball pitcher, I like that matchup (at least, as much as you can like any Scheid matchup).
Jerry Plays the hot hand
at least when that hot hand is Santos. Haven’t seen him do it for any other player.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Except
Santos hit a HR on the 13th and was 2-for-5 w/3 RBI. Then he didn’t play again til the 18th. I don’t think there’s any rhyme or reason to Jerry’s lineups. He picks the team out of a hat.
But Schneid is Hot too, and with power
Isn’t 2 HRs, 5 RBIs in 2 straight starts kind of hot? It’s a Good problem I guess. But I still miss Castro.
Yes my point exactly
Schneider looked good his last few outings and now he’s back on the bench. No rhyme/reason.
the hot guy
Jerry loves to play whoever is hot. Santos is batting .414 in the last 2 weeks and he’s coming off a 4 hit game, so that’d be my guess.
Same lineup as last night excluding Fernando and they got 14 hits.
I have no issues with it tonight.
"I told him the next time he does that, I’m going to get my blade out and cut him, right on the field. Hey, I’m a gangsta now. You go gangsta on me, I’m gonna have to get you now."
- Jerry Manuel
by dave the rave on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If Wright gets on first . . .
With anything less than three outs, shout out to centerpede, look for Tatis to immediately inexplicably bunt.
The only thing I can think is that maybe
Sheff was in the lineup and Jerry had to change it and didnt want to move everyone else around.
Can't Church play CF?
Or are we worried that he could potentially collide with 2nd, short, left and right? Maybe he should stay in RF.
Its the new york metropolitan hospitals
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
Its funny
you still have to divide that number by 2 to get to the Marlins’ payroll
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pop quiz
Name the 2nd Marlin under contract for 2010. Hanley Ramirez has a long-term deal.
No cheating.
Maybe I have access to your web cache
No, it’s on the honor system. You’d only be cheating yourself.
Shit, I dont know
its probably some middle reliever that I never heard of
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wes Helms. Wouldn't make more sense to sign Uggla?
2 whole players signed through 2010. Am I the only one who finds that repugnant. They have been hiding money for years down there.
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Uggla is overrated
They should have traded him last off-season at the peak of his value. Coghlan will probably be a better player than him pretty soon.
He's got a lot of Home runs for a second basemen
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I think I would still take him over Luis Castillo
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So does anyone know about David Wright's BABIP
Holy cow its so high, what an achievement
/Sarcasm
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Hehehe, Derek Bell!
Also, how much does Tatis have to suck to get dropped out of the cleanup spot? Jerry is becoming more like Willie with sticking with “his guys” it seems.
what we need
is for everyone to shorten their swing to be more like Omir.
in fact, instead of swinging, everyone should just bunt every time.
Oh, Fatty
dang
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
Sacrifice bunt attempt (I'm assuming it was a SH)
Livan turned to throw it to 3rd, but he realized that Pineiro wasn’t going from 2nd. He had to go to first, but it was too late.
Really, Jerry?
Nuts!
That was not what you would have wanted.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't hear
who got the error? Hammer?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A rare Hammer error
It’s a good thing he’s a top flight defensive player.
The 2009 Amazin' Avenue: SCREW K-ROD, SIGN FUENTES! Check it out, K-Rod ERA under 1.00, Fuentes over 5.00. CASTILLO MUST GO! Castillo is hitting .300!! DON'T SIGN SHEFFIELD! Sheffield has been a great signing. OMIR WHO? Omir grand slam! OMIR SUCKS! Omir takes Papelbon deep to win. CASTRO OVER OMIR! Omir drives in every Met run, wins game! EPIC FAIL.
Can you imagine
what this team would look like if Jerry DIDN’T stress the fundamentals?
Game cast is screwed up
Says it’s 1st and 3rd, but bases are loaded, right?
Yes
it’s also monsoon season at Citi. Crazy amounts of rain coming down.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, ridic
It’s not raining at all on the UWS.
Weird
2nd time in 3 days that the game has been stopped when the visiting team has the bases loaded and 2 out.
Really, Jerry?
Phone calls in the booth
that should be entertaining
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
They never seem to care about the outfield
only the infield.
There sure will be a lot of options for Livan
He can run out and get some chicken tacos, the pulled pork at Blue Smoke, Some Shake Shack Cheeseburgers, the Lobster Roll at Catch of the Day, The Chicken Quesadilla from Worlds Fare, Some fries from Box Frites.
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
Brilliant
the tarp can’t make it all the way past the first base line. It really is a comedy of errors lately.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
I never saw a field crew fail so utterly hard before
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
New York's rainy season is Burma-esque (or is it Myanmar)
I live in LA and went back home for the Open and 2 Mets games. Did not see a shot swung at Bethpage on Thursday and sat through a nice rain delay. I actually enjoy rain since it’s so rare out here, but wtf. The people of Queens will be floating down the streets in cardboard boxes soon. think Anderson Cooper is on his way to report from Citi.
This Ask the Booth is a bunch of nonsense
Right, some team will see F! play CF for a game and realize he’s the CF of their future.
Yeah, I don't think other GM's are that dumb
“Well, that Martinez kid did play well in center yesterday. OK, give us him and Perez and you can have Holliday.”
Really, Jerry?
the question I was thinking of calling to ask:
in evaluating a potential trade, how concerned are the Mets about the fact that Holliday doesn’t have much of a track record outside of Coors Field?
i will die if they got holliday
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I may have baited them with an Omir question
Since Omir sucked ass for 10 years in the minor leagues, but is carrying the Mets on his back with grission, husart, and clutchitude — I wanted to get your thoughts, guys, on whether a player can just turn from a toad into a prince like Omir has?
imagine a call about the hit and run
Keith might explode.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith would definitely gizz on a hit and run question
I want him to show us a relay throw again.
I do wish they would hit and run a little more, but I gather from posts I’ve seen here, most of you don’t like the play. Why?
I like the Hit and Run
Puts pressure on the pitcher/defense. In my opinion that’s good agression on the basepaths.
I don't mind sprinkling it in
but it’s generally not an efficient way to produce runs — it doesn’t work often enough.
This
Yeah I’m don’t disfavor it per se, but I think Keith, in particular, is a little bit over the top in looking for the hit and run. It has a time and place, but not all the time.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The straight steal is a better play
and that’s overused also, for the most part.
I agree
I think there’s certain types of players that it suits – Guys like Murphy who are contact/no strikeout guys but don’t run great. I dont necessarily like doing it with guys like Wright and Beltran because they are such good hitters, I dont like to modify their approaches
The Rays have 3 errors
and the Phillies have 5 unearned runs off of Price. Where was that defense when we played them?
The talk about "embarrassment of riches"
and the Mets pitching staff needs to stop. How is this all of a sudden a perceived strength? Sure, we’ll have numbers, but they’re bad numbers.
I'm waiting for use of the word "revelation"
as in “Livan’s really been a revelation in the rotation!”
What's the weather looking like in NY?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Allright!
Let’s Go Metropolitans!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I was hoping the delay would last longer
so Piniero would have to come out
Maybe now he'll pitch and get hurt ...
though I would never wish that on another player or delight in that. Never.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Can FMart hit the ball HARD?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
In his defense
every other Met before him did the exact same thing. But yeah, it’d be nice to see more line drives or fly balls from him.
LUIS, LUIS, LUIS
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
...and GEICO
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
how much you figure?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Piniero got it going on tonight.
Let’s hope Liven can keep it close.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
lol
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
...to jasondg
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Livan has "lots of guts"
That’s pretty obvious, Ronnie. Thx.
Lots of guts
knows how to pitch. Do you mean Ronnie that he throws the homeplate instead of second
by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad Luis can get a laugh out of the pop-ups now
honestly. He’s really taken that whole situation about as well as you can.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl5mcWf5Qws
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
This Luis is definitely not whiter than white.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
… but look what happened when he tasted brown sugar.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Yeah, he also did get into shape
like he said he would. You can’t hate on him just cause he was offered a bad contract and signed it as quickly as he could. Bottom line: I like him.
I would have liked Orlando Hudson better.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I don't so much hate Luis
as I hate the contract and, as you say, you can’t blame him for taking it.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the cliche
But Castillo did have surgery before the season and I’m assuming he wasn’t able to workout with scooped knees so he got fat and couldn’t get into shape in time especially since he kept on hurting himself. Besides, I don’t like that fans hold athletes like they should be perfect or always think about their job first. He messed up and he redeemed himself, let he has never zoned out at work or cut classes throw the first stone.
the fact that he is chuckling at the crowd as he catches pop ups
is definitely a mark in his favor. unless he drops another
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree
but talking about cliches, if fans who made mistakes at their job couldn’t complain about others making mistakes at theirs, we wouldn’t have this website.
Yeah, I realize that
You just happened to bring up a personal pet peeve of mine, no disrespect. I just don’t like athletes/artists/whatever held to some kind of higher standard just because they are being paid way more than us to do something that we would love to be doing. They’re still human you know.
Wright has 16 PAs in which he has seen an 0-2 count
In those 16 PAs, he has made 16 outs, 13 by strikeout.
This is absurdly awful for a hitter with his approach.
I would actually suspect that Wright has junked the ’roids, except that he was a similar hitter in 2005, before LoDuca was on the team.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
Ronnie is going on assignment
how bout reporting from one of those empty $3000 seats
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
My mistake
He is actually 6/42 with 26Ks.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
Best I can say is that he's at significantly below league average in that situation
at 65 sOPS+
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I was just wondering, cause it seems like numbers should be fairly low after an 0-2 count. Bur OPS + certainly shows he’s been bellow average so far. Did you, by chance, check his career #s?
Amazingly, David Wright is a .675 OPS hitter after an 0-2 count
There is no sOPS for career stats, but that means that if Wright spots the pitcher 2 strikes, he’s comparable to Luis Castillo.
His best year in this regard was 2006, where after an 0-2 count, Wright batted .310/.330/.530 for an unholy 247 sOPS
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Joel Pwneiro
at least when he pitches against us.
First 10 outs, ground balls.
11th a K.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Wow!
Nice K, Fatty!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Haha yeah
basically one slow curve followed by another.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally
but, at least for me, it felt like the throw took about a month to get there.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for saying that, the Santos hatred continues
i thought Eric issued the new marching orders this morning lol
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it hatred if it's true?
his arm is worse than Castro’s…
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
its just out of proportion
and doesn’t really reflect well on us. but that’s been said before.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the baseball gods of course
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo!
unless you’re blaming the injuries on Omir, then not cool.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be crazy
Only a couple of the injuries were Omir’s fault.
This sounds like a potential humor post
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Well, I've been one of his defenders
but I did happen to think that it was a poor throw.
Really, Jerry?
fair enough, but its just nit picking
about everything single he does. everyone can fail except him. it’s just getting stupid and not entertaining.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was a fair comment from Prince
I basically had the same observation, and I don’t particularly care about the Santos/Castro/etc. debate. It sincerely looked like a very soft throw. Nothing wrong with noting that.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
not by itself of course not
but criticism of his defense is way crazy around here, esp. compared to “first ballot” Ramon’s.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
but I just think, in this instance, your response to Prince’s comment is as just as reactionary, particularly in light of the fact that you two basically hold the same viewpoint in this ongoing struggle.
Man I’m sort of ashamed that I just called that debate an “ongoing struggle.”
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not meant to be aimed at Prince, or the Revolution
you know how internet commenting is more handgrenades that horseshoes or whatever. Just expressing frustration, not arguing that Omir gunned the ball down there or anything.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
if Schneids, who squats for a living
made the same throw, people would’ve made fun of it, too.
well he is known for his defense
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not in this economy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I hear ya dude
And, to be honest, I’ve been basically sick of the whole thing for quite some time. I blame Wendy and Lisa.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit I'm a big Prince fan
the symbol and the poster.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This poster?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
funny, Omir Santos
has the same beard art design
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"I feel like I'm in Santos's back pocket"
And Ronnie just orgasmed.
but he was wearing a red shirt
where’s the guy who always chides him for his blue shirt?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the same style
just a different hue. And the same old idiot talking.
I was quietly impressed
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does Jerry need to see F! play CF to know if he can handle it?
There’s thing thing called the minor leagues. There are other things, you know, called statistics. And there are these guys called minor league scouts.
I've actually been impressed with F!'s plate discipline
He might get fooled at times, but he doesn’t seem to expand his zone and swing at balls off the plate.
how does redding do core work
with that enormous thing growing off his face?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Nice play, middle infield and Hammer!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Holy hell that sick little girl has the saddest look on her face
someone totally should buy her a pony.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
I suppose this would one appropriate situation
even if Livan can swing the bat a little bit.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
Well, it’s okay with the pitcher up. Plus we get to see La Russa Genius in action, as he has the pitcher throw over to first.
Umm . . . what?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
That was awfully fucking retarded
Nice one, Jerry.
Dumb ass move
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Add one more to "The Jerry File"
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
At least Keith is happy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
at least Keith is unhappy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Livan was swinging?
With Luis running? The one time a bunt actually makes sense, Jerry doesn’t do it.
One word:
gangsta
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Willie was this bad
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
and why does Gary pronounce his name to rhyme with "noel"?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that's correct
I managed him on my fantasy team in 2002 (won me the championship) and that’s what he wanted to be called. But yeah that is his name.
Pinero won you the championship?
That must have been a weird league
That was unbelievable
What an effin moron. “Forcing the issue.” “Making things happen.”
It's the seventh inning
and the opposing pitcher is outhitting the entire Mets team. Wow.
Really, Jerry?
Jerry Meals is the home plate umpire
no wonder Livan’s dealing, he thinks he’s pitching to his dinner…
by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Seems like we never hit Piniero
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Not enough to win
In 4 career starts against us, he’s 2-0 with a 3.96 ERA and a 1.40 WHIP.
Really, Jerry?
Crud
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Crap
I just realized I’m gonna see Nieve pitch against the Brewers on Monday. Not that he’s been all terrible or anything, but obviously I’d rather have seen Santana instead.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
i feel imminant Met destruction
in the force
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
walk him
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
him
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
is anyone else hearing what sounds like the SNY producer
prompting Gary Keith and Ron?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Got the DP in order though
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
well, that could have been worse all things considered
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Ah, crap
At least he didn’t hit a GS?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
ah it could've been much worse
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Wow!
And then that happens!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
And then THAT happens!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
livan crafts his way out of that inning
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
They channeled Razor Shines?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Geez
The difference is they scored first, THEN ran out of the inning.
+1
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who is managing the Cards, supergenius Tony LaRass-hat...
or Jerry?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
ummm
well thanks
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Can't really blame Keith
I prefer that to Ron’s unhealthy obsession with David Eckstein.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
promise rings have been offered
Keith is picking out a nice restaurant
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
64 pitches??!!?
are you kidding me?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
do the mets hitters know that they're not trying to catch a plane?
64 gd pitches for Jorel
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
Ouch
Jorel is all, “Shit.”
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Mr. DP himself up to bat
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
this is one guy who
NEEDS TO BUNT
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OUr clean up hitter?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
....and here come the double play .... off the bunt.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I don't know
They are saying unintentional but Pinero’s control has been perfect all night
Don't think he was tryin
but doesn’t overly care that he hit Wright with Tatis up behind him.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
sure is looking like it
that makes 9 GIDP and 9 walks this year by my count
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Jerry will have Tatis batting clean up again tomorrow.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Wow
you can basically write it in: Wright, on base (somehow). Tatis, in play, out(s).
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone should be uppercutting those pitches
A change of approach is in order, with only 1 hit so far
In the mets minor defense
He was throwing tons of strikes and getting anything near the plate at the knees, so its not like they could effectively see a lot of pitches.
Pinero was just dead on tonight, and the Mets lineup (save DW) is pretty shabby.
Tough to win
when you have an idiot for a manager…Tatis the human DP machine at cleanup..
David Cone threw 88 pitches in his perfect game
Pineiro is on pace for about the same.
Really, Jerry?
is Shef hurt?
i can’t remember, but i assume so. trying to come up with a single reason for Tatis not to take a rest for a few games.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
sheff has tender hammies
iirc?
jerry’s trying to manage that.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
but its same as before
not incapacitated
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but...
hammies are always day-to-day. i definitely wanna see sheff myself, but I suspect they’re trying to limit his time in the field and on the bases before he does some real damage.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
It seems that
the Mets are the perfect tonic for struggling pitchers.
this punchless lineup certainly is
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
not really struggling
Going into this game Pineiro has the 7th lowest FIP among starters
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't really study him
but from the preview: “The veteran right-hander, though, has lost his last five starts and eight of his last nine.”
True
and looks like a little bad bullpen too. He does give up his 3 or 4 runs a game though. Not tonight of course.
it may be silly to scoreboard watch, but the Fish are tied with Mets in the win column
but the O’s have tied it up with the Fish
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
The O's are doing the hard yards on the Mets' behalf
I guess someone has to.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well the O's have destroyed the NLeast.
won all their serieses. wonder what place they’d by in if moved to NL?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He finally refused to bunt when it made sense to bunt
gangsta.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the worst manager to have when times are down
Because he’ll actively try to ingratiate himself in the game when it’s not needed.
by All Shook Down on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, a hit and run with Livan?
Livan can swing the bat a little bit, but it was 1-0 Cards with no outs and Castillo on first. Just about the best possible time to bunt.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a piece of shit manager.
There’s really nothing else you can say.
Schneider is a left handed hitter — ideal against a right handed sinker baller — who has the HOT HAND and doesn’t play.
Tatis batting clean up even though he’s been cold for weeks.
Evans up here for window dressing despite the fact that he’s gone deep more times this season than everyone on the active roster not named Sheffield and Fernando Martinez.
by All Shook Down on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
can’t say much more than that.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
three runs may as well be 13 tonight
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
3 runs
have never seemed like such an insurmountable hill
In other Mets news:
Mejia: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 1 HR
Thole: 2-4, 1 3B (!), 1 RBI, 1 R
Ike Davis’ B-Mets debut: 2-2, 1 RBI, 2 BB
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
good news all around
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Anyone read Minaya's quotes on WFAN?
Mentioned Holt, Mejia and Davis as quality prospects he wants to hold onto. If I believed him, it would be encouraging.
So he still doesn't know who Thole is?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thole : Minaya :: Stokes : Manuel
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys just bust our balls
Piniero is the Pat Burrell of pitchers
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
yeah i hate Piniero now
Molina. Piniero. Spezio.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
On a slight delay, but
Wow a Tatis DP. I want him hit and running from now on, regardless of score, it’s unreal. He really should have effin’ bunted. So angry I’m going to fast forward through this malarkey and catch up. Has Kalil Green set the record for putouts in 1 game?
Tatis should be DFA
he has no value to us….backup SS and 2B…you kidding me? DFA and bring up Malo
by Ballonthewall on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A Ray of Hope
Maybe LaRussa pulls a Jerry and brings in Franklin after 1 guy gets on base in the 9th?
that is the one good thing
to take out of this snoozer
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be worse
it could be a perfect game.
Honestly, with Beltran on the DL, I"m expecting a lot more performances like tonight than like last night
Yeah, right now it's about treading water and trying to hold on...
this just isn’t a serious ML lineup.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I consider last night to be the exception.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
mental feebility
is a serious disease
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
its not a stupid question
it’s unclear. i assume they will “set-back” him until they are desparate
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"An injury"
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
...if you mean his knee.
If you’re talking about his head, then, yes, that’s real and apparently permanent injury
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
We should have beaned Piniero in the head the last inning
when we had the chance. Another missed opportunity.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
San Dimas High School Baseball rules!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
I think the takeway from this game is
that Dave Duncan is some kind of weird super-genius who also has a deal with the devil
Look like the strike zone's been pretty wide tonight
and that’s what a sinkerballer needs; for guys to HAVE to swing at that low pitch.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he was getting everything low early
and then the Mets stopped taking those pitches and just kept hammering them into the ground.
MORE THAN ONCE
IT REARS ITS UGLY HEAD
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
piitb.
wow. crud.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
two more games with the Cards
tomorrow and Thursday.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
We got two more in this series
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh we are going to have to watch this team for at least another month
by which time several miracles would have to happen to get regulars back and playing at a productive level, or the Mets will be so far out of contention it won’t matter.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Telemundo has a show on now called "Victorinos"
Talk about insult to injury.
I'm cancelling my subscription then
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They cancelled Bumblebee Man for that?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if Bruney
hates Pinero too.
Hmmm…let’s see…win the first game of the series, lose the next one. Where have we seen this before. Any bets on tomorrow?
c u all tomorrow :,,, ((((
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I'm surprised that's only our 3rd shutout of the year
meh. when a guy is on his game like that i don’t know that we beat piniero even at full strength with the control he had tonight. as steve stone once said, “if I’m spotting my pitches the batter is irrelevant.”
i think the “true” output even for this crappy lineup is somewhere between last night’s 4 for 4 from santos and the collective vomit-fest that was tonight. the shame is wasting a reasonably good outing for Livan.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
too much Pinero and Jerry Manuel tonight
not necessarily in that order
On nights like tonight
I’m glad to have DVR to fastforward through this basura.
This sucks. I sooo want Manuel fired.
All these injuries are probably giving him an excuse to stay on.
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