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St. Louis Cardinals at New York Mets, Jun 23, 2009 7:10 PM EDT




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Livan Hernandez

#61 / Pitcher / New York Mets

6-2

245

R

R

Feb 20, 1975



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Livan Hernandez 5-1 13 13 1 0 0 0 79.2 89 37 37 11 22 45 4.18 1.39


Joel Pineiro

#35 / Pitcher / St. Louis Cardinals

6-1

200

R

R

Sep 25, 1978



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Joel Pineiro 5-8 13 13 1 1 0 0 83.2 95 42 35 2 11 39 3.76 1.27

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Well you people get your wish

Fernando in center. This should be interesting.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tatis still 4th, geez

If Wright gets on first, look for the immediate steal, or the hit and run. At least I hope.

Another day off for Sheff, too.

Also, what’s up with no Schneid again? Low ball hitter vs. low ball pitcher, I like that matchup (at least, as much as you can like any Scheid matchup).

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Plays the hot hand

at least when that hot hand is Santos. Haven’t seen him do it for any other player.

"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Jun 23, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

Santos hit a HR on the 13th and was 2-for-5 w/3 RBI. Then he didn’t play again til the 18th. I don’t think there’s any rhyme or reason to Jerry’s lineups. He picks the team out of a hat.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Schneid is Hot too, and with power

Isn’t 2 HRs, 5 RBIs in 2 straight starts kind of hot? It’s a Good problem I guess. But I still miss Castro.

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes my point exactly

Schneider looked good his last few outings and now he’s back on the bench. No rhyme/reason.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the hot guy

Jerry loves to play whoever is hot. Santos is batting .414 in the last 2 weeks and he’s coming off a 4 hit game, so that’d be my guess.

Same lineup as last night excluding Fernando and they got 14 hits.

I have no issues with it tonight.

"I told him the next time he does that, I’m going to get my blade out and cut him, right on the field. Hey, I’m a gangsta now. You go gangsta on me, I’m gonna have to get you now."
- Jerry Manuel

by dave the rave on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Wright gets on first . . .

With anything less than three outs, shout out to centerpede, look for Tatis to immediately inexplicably bunt.

by Delgado on Jun 23, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I can think is that maybe

Sheff was in the lineup and Jerry had to change it and didnt want to move everyone else around.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't Church play CF?

Or are we worried that he could potentially collide with 2nd, short, left and right? Maybe he should stay in RF.

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its funny

you still have to divide that number by 2 to get to the Marlins’ payroll

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pop quiz

Name the 2nd Marlin under contract for 2010. Hanley Ramirez has a long-term deal.

No cheating.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I have access to your web cache

No, it’s on the honor system. You’d only be cheating yourself.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit, I dont know

its probably some middle reliever that I never heard of

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wes Helms. Wouldn't make more sense to sign Uggla?

2 whole players signed through 2010. Am I the only one who finds that repugnant. They have been hiding money for years down there.

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uggla is overrated

They should have traded him last off-season at the peak of his value. Coghlan will probably be a better player than him pretty soon.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great

Phillies got 6 in the first inning

by Mount17 on Jun 23, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hehehe, Derek Bell!

Also, how much does Tatis have to suck to get dropped out of the cleanup spot? Jerry is becoming more like Willie with sticking with “his guys” it seems.

by JoshNY on Jun 23, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what we need

is for everyone to shorten their swing to be more like Omir.

in fact, instead of swinging, everyone should just bunt every time.

by JoshNY on Jun 23, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Fatty

dang

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That was odd.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sacrifice bunt attempt (I'm assuming it was a SH)

Livan turned to throw it to 3rd, but he realized that Pineiro wasn’t going from 2nd. He had to go to first, but it was too late.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuts!

That was not what you would have wanted.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

It was tough, but Coa probably should’ve smothered that throw.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't hear

who got the error? Hammer?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

As he should have. Still a terrible throw by him.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A rare Hammer error

It’s a good thing he’s a top flight defensive player.

The 2009 Amazin' Avenue: SCREW K-ROD, SIGN FUENTES! Check it out, K-Rod ERA under 1.00, Fuentes over 5.00. CASTILLO MUST GO! Castillo is hitting .300!! DON'T SIGN SHEFFIELD! Sheffield has been a great signing. OMIR WHO? Omir grand slam! OMIR SUCKS! Omir takes Papelbon deep to win. CASTRO OVER OMIR! Omir drives in every Met run, wins game! EPIC FAIL.

by ZaBlanc on Jun 23, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine

what this team would look like if Jerry DIDN’T stress the fundamentals?

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eww

What an ugly body. Jeter’s body is flawless.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game cast is screwed up

Says it’s 1st and 3rd, but bases are loaded, right?

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

it’s also monsoon season at Citi. Crazy amounts of rain coming down.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, ridic

It’s not raining at all on the UWS.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

2nd time in 3 days that the game has been stopped when the visiting team has the bases loaded and 2 out.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There sure will be a lot of options for Livan

He can run out and get some chicken tacos, the pulled pork at Blue Smoke, Some Shake Shack Cheeseburgers, the Lobster Roll at Catch of the Day, The Chicken Quesadilla from Worlds Fare, Some fries from Box Frites.

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant

the tarp can’t make it all the way past the first base line. It really is a comedy of errors lately.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I never saw a field crew fail so utterly hard before

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The tarp

also needs to go on the DL.

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New York's rainy season is Burma-esque (or is it Myanmar)

I live in LA and went back home for the Open and 2 Mets games. Did not see a shot swung at Bethpage on Thursday and sat through a nice rain delay. I actually enjoy rain since it’s so rare out here, but wtf. The people of Queens will be floating down the streets in cardboard boxes soon. think Anderson Cooper is on his way to report from Citi.

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You might know it as Myanmar, Elaine,

But it will always be Burma to me.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All that rain

actually started here in Colorado, fyi. ;)
We’ve been getting pounded for 2 weeks.

by BlackOps on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Ask the Booth is a bunch of nonsense

Right, some team will see F! play CF for a game and realize he’s the CF of their future.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't think other GM's are that dumb

“Well, that Martinez kid did play well in center yesterday. OK, give us him and Perez and you can have Holliday.”

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the question I was thinking of calling to ask:

in evaluating a potential trade, how concerned are the Mets about the fact that Holliday doesn’t have much of a track record outside of Coors Field?

by JoshNY on Jun 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would have been a good question

It’s a valid concern.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will die if they got holliday

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im glad you didnt ask

I like G, K & R, but I think their answer wouldve disappointed me.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may have baited them with an Omir question

Since Omir sucked ass for 10 years in the minor leagues, but is carrying the Mets on his back with grission, husart, and clutchitude — I wanted to get your thoughts, guys, on whether a player can just turn from a toad into a prince like Omir has?

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's 10-0 Phillies

I need to find another game to watch

by Michkin on Jun 23, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

imagine a call about the hit and run

Keith might explode.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith would definitely gizz on a hit and run question

I want him to show us a relay throw again.

I do wish they would hit and run a little more, but I gather from posts I’ve seen here, most of you don’t like the play. Why?

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the Hit and Run

Puts pressure on the pitcher/defense. In my opinion that’s good agression on the basepaths.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind sprinkling it in

but it’s generally not an efficient way to produce runs — it doesn’t work often enough.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

Yeah I’m don’t disfavor it per se, but I think Keith, in particular, is a little bit over the top in looking for the hit and run. It has a time and place, but not all the time.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The straight steal is a better play

and that’s overused also, for the most part.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think there’s certain types of players that it suits – Guys like Murphy who are contact/no strikeout guys but don’t run great. I dont necessarily like doing it with guys like Wright and Beltran because they are such good hitters, I dont like to modify their approaches

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Yeah, I was thinking that.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rays have 3 errors

and the Phillies have 5 unearned runs off of Price. Where was that defense when we played them?

by Mount17 on Jun 23, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The talk about "embarrassment of riches"

and the Mets pitching staff needs to stop. How is this all of a sudden a perceived strength? Sure, we’ll have numbers, but they’re bad numbers.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm waiting for use of the word "revelation"

as in “Livan’s really been a revelation in the rotation!”

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the weather looking like in NY?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

finishing touches now

games about to re-start.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allright!

Let’s Go Metropolitans!

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe now he'll pitch and get hurt ...

though I would never wish that on another player or delight in that. Never.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can FMart hit the ball HARD?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In his defense

every other Met before him did the exact same thing. But yeah, it’d be nice to see more line drives or fly balls from him.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LUIS, LUIS, LUIS

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cerrone

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...and GEICO

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what they're paying him

and what he does for “work” I would too

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how much you figure?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piniero got it going on tonight.

Let’s hope Liven can keep it close.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...to jasondg

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Livan has "lots of guts"

That’s pretty obvious, Ronnie. Thx.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of guts

knows how to pitch. Do you mean Ronnie that he throws the homeplate instead of second

by aparkermarshall on Jun 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad Luis can get a laugh out of the pop-ups now

honestly. He’s really taken that whole situation about as well as you can.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl5mcWf5Qws

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Luis is definitely not whiter than white.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

… but look what happened when he tasted brown sugar.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he also did get into shape

like he said he would. You can’t hate on him just cause he was offered a bad contract and signed it as quickly as he could. Bottom line: I like him.

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have liked Orlando Hudson better.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't so much hate Luis

as I hate the contract and, as you say, you can’t blame him for taking it.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A major leaguer

should be in shape in the first place

by Mount17 on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the cliche

But Castillo did have surgery before the season and I’m assuming he wasn’t able to workout with scooped knees so he got fat and couldn’t get into shape in time especially since he kept on hurting himself. Besides, I don’t like that fans hold athletes like they should be perfect or always think about their job first. He messed up and he redeemed himself, let he has never zoned out at work or cut classes throw the first stone.

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that he is chuckling at the crowd as he catches pop ups

is definitely a mark in his favor. unless he drops another

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't necessarily disagree

but talking about cliches, if fans who made mistakes at their job couldn’t complain about others making mistakes at theirs, we wouldn’t have this website.

by Mount17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I realize that

You just happened to bring up a personal pet peeve of mine, no disrespect. I just don’t like athletes/artists/whatever held to some kind of higher standard just because they are being paid way more than us to do something that we would love to be doing. They’re still human you know.

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, yay

I got that portion of the swag right.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wright has 16 PAs in which he has seen an 0-2 count

In those 16 PAs, he has made 16 outs, 13 by strikeout.
This is absurdly awful for a hitter with his approach.
I would actually suspect that Wright has junked the ’roids, except that he was a similar hitter in 2005, before LoDuca was on the team.

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie is going on assignment

how bout reporting from one of those empty $3000 seats

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My mistake

He is actually 6/42 with 26Ks.

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best I can say is that he's at significantly below league average in that situation

at 65 sOPS+

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I was just wondering, cause it seems like numbers should be fairly low after an 0-2 count. Bur OPS + certainly shows he’s been bellow average so far. Did you, by chance, check his career #s?

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazingly, David Wright is a .675 OPS hitter after an 0-2 count

There is no sOPS for career stats, but that means that if Wright spots the pitcher 2 strikes, he’s comparable to Luis Castillo.

His best year in this regard was 2006, where after an 0-2 count, Wright batted .310/.330/.530 for an unholy 247 sOPS

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joel Pwneiro

at least when he pitches against us.

First 10 outs, ground balls.
11th a K.

by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

37 pitches

through 4 innings.

ugh.

by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this game is some weird bizzaro world

Where Livan Hernadez strikes out Albert Pujols.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

Nice K, Fatty!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Santos’ throw resembled Livan’s pitch.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha yeah

basically one slow curve followed by another.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally

but, at least for me, it felt like the throw took about a month to get there.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for saying that, the Santos hatred continues

i thought Eric issued the new marching orders this morning lol

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it hatred if it's true?

his arm is worse than Castro’s…

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its just out of proportion

and doesn’t really reflect well on us. but that’s been said before.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the baseball gods of course

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit, you're right

That explains all the injuries.

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bingo!

unless you’re blaming the injuries on Omir, then not cool.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be crazy

Only a couple of the injuries were Omir’s fault.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This sounds like a potential humor post

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All yours

You can even work in a Socks! kidnapping.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I've been one of his defenders

but I did happen to think that it was a poor throw.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough, but its just nit picking

about everything single he does. everyone can fail except him. it’s just getting stupid and not entertaining.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He is subjected to stupid observations/generalizations which would never be used on anyone else.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a fair comment from Prince

I basically had the same observation, and I don’t particularly care about the Santos/Castro/etc. debate. It sincerely looked like a very soft throw. Nothing wrong with noting that.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not by itself of course not

but criticism of his defense is way crazy around here, esp. compared to “first ballot” Ramon’s.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

but I just think, in this instance, your response to Prince’s comment is as just as reactionary, particularly in light of the fact that you two basically hold the same viewpoint in this ongoing struggle.

Man I’m sort of ashamed that I just called that debate an “ongoing struggle.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The whole debate has turned into everyone stating opinions that everyone already knows they have. It doesn’t need to be reincarnated every time a comment is made.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not meant to be aimed at Prince, or the Revolution

you know how internet commenting is more handgrenades that horseshoes or whatever. Just expressing frustration, not arguing that Omir gunned the ball down there or anything.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Schneids, who squats for a living

made the same throw, people would’ve made fun of it, too.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he is known for his defense

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not in this economy

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hear ya dude

And, to be honest, I’ve been basically sick of the whole thing for quite some time. I blame Wendy and Lisa.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit I'm a big Prince fan

the symbol and the poster.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This poster?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny, Omir Santos

has the same beard art design

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

That’s great.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice reference

I would have also accepted Dr Fink and Bobby Z

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he was wearing a red shirt

where’s the guy who always chides him for his blue shirt?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the same style

just a different hue. And the same old idiot talking.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was quietly impressed

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does Jerry need to see F! play CF to know if he can handle it?

There’s thing thing called the minor leagues. There are other things, you know, called statistics. And there are these guys called minor league scouts.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've actually been impressed with F!'s plate discipline

He might get fooled at times, but he doesn’t seem to expand his zone and swing at balls off the plate.

by Mount17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how does redding do core work

with that enormous thing growing off his face?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He hangs out by

Wright, Santana, Beltran, Delgado and Reyes’s lockers.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice play, middle infield and Hammer!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy hell that sick little girl has the saddest look on her face

someone totally should buy her a pony.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A baserunner!

Bunting time.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I suppose this would one appropriate situation

even if Livan can swing the bat a little bit.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Well, it’s okay with the pitcher up. Plus we get to see La Russa Genius in action, as he has the pitcher throw over to first.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm . . . what?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow,

Did Molina direct him to throw it low and away after Castilo broke? or am I imagining things?

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumb ass move

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Add one more to "The Jerry File"

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least Keith is happy

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

at least Keith is unhappy

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Livan was swinging?

With Luis running? The one time a bunt actually makes sense, Jerry doesn’t do it.

by supermets on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One word:

gangsta

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Go figure.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way Willie was this bad

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and why does Gary pronounce his name to rhyme with "noel"?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Miller

pronounced it once that way and he just went with it.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that's correct

I managed him on my fantasy team in 2002 (won me the championship) and that’s what he wanted to be called. But yeah that is his name.

by Sokojoe on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pinero won you the championship?

That must have been a weird league

by Endys Game on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was unbelievable

What an effin moron. “Forcing the issue.” “Making things happen.”

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's the seventh inning

and the opposing pitcher is outhitting the entire Mets team. Wow.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Meals is the home plate umpire

no wonder Livan’s dealing, he thinks he’s pitching to his dinner…

by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems like we never hit Piniero

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not enough to win

In 4 career starts against us, he’s 2-0 with a 3.96 ERA and a 1.40 WHIP.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crud

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap

I just realized I’m gonna see Nieve pitch against the Brewers on Monday. Not that he’s been all terrible or anything, but obviously I’d rather have seen Santana instead.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i feel imminant Met destruction

in the force

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

walk him

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who?

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

him

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is anyone else hearing what sounds like the SNY producer

prompting Gary Keith and Ron?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got the DP in order though

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert

doesn’t do that very often. Grand slams are common.

by supermets on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that could have been worse all things considered

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great.

Just awesome.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, crap

At least he didn’t hit a GS?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah it could've been much worse

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

And then that happens!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And then THAT happens!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

livan crafts his way out of that inning

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Groan

at least Puljos can’t run the bases

by Endys Game on Jun 23, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They channeled Razor Shines?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez

The difference is they scored first, THEN ran out of the inning.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who is managing the Cards, supergenius Tony LaRass-hat...

or Jerry?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

that was probably just plain old bad baserunning; ours was a dumbass hit and run from the dugout.

by jasondg on Jun 23, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm

well thanks

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't really blame Keith

I prefer that to Ron’s unhealthy obsession with David Eckstein.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

promise rings have been offered

Keith is picking out a nice restaurant

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

64 pitches??!!?

are you kidding me?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

Jorel is all, “Shit.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mr. DP himself up to bat

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is one guy who

NEEDS TO BUNT

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs

to not be hitting 4th

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OUr clean up hitter?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....and here come the double play .... off the bunt.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

They are saying unintentional but Pinero’s control has been perfect all night

by Endys Game on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't think he was tryin

but doesn’t overly care that he hit Wright with Tatis up behind him.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Jerry will have Tatis batting clean up again tomorrow.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

you can basically write it in: Wright, on base (somehow). Tatis, in play, out(s).

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

17:2 GO:FO ratio

with 69 pitches through 7.

by supermets on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should be uppercutting those pitches

A change of approach is in order, with only 1 hit so far

by Michkin on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the mets minor defense

He was throwing tons of strikes and getting anything near the plate at the knees, so its not like they could effectively see a lot of pitches.

Pinero was just dead on tonight, and the Mets lineup (save DW) is pretty shabby.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough to win

when you have an idiot for a manager…Tatis the human DP machine at cleanup..

by Ballonthewall on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

David Cone threw 88 pitches in his perfect game

Pineiro is on pace for about the same.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is Shef hurt?

i can’t remember, but i assume so. trying to come up with a single reason for Tatis not to take a rest for a few games.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sheff has tender hammies

iirc?

jerry’s trying to manage that.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but its same as before

not incapacitated

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but...

hammies are always day-to-day. i definitely wanna see sheff myself, but I suspect they’re trying to limit his time in the field and on the bases before he does some real damage.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems that

the Mets are the perfect tonic for struggling pitchers.

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this punchless lineup certainly is

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really struggling

Going into this game Pineiro has the 7th lowest FIP among starters

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't really study him

but from the preview: “The veteran right-hander, though, has lost his last five starts and eight of his last nine.”

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

and looks like a little bad bullpen too. He does give up his 3 or 4 runs a game though. Not tonight of course.

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it may be silly to scoreboard watch, but the Fish are tied with Mets in the win column

but the O’s have tied it up with the Fish

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The O's are doing the hard yards on the Mets' behalf

I guess someone has to.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they owe 'em after the Mets

gifted them a couple wins last week.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the O's have destroyed the NLeast.

won all their serieses. wonder what place they’d by in if moved to NL?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys!

How’s Jerry Manuel treating you all tonight?

by All Shook Down on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He finally refused to bunt when it made sense to bunt

gangsta.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's the worst manager to have when times are down

Because he’ll actively try to ingratiate himself in the game when it’s not needed.

by All Shook Down on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, a hit and run with Livan?

Livan can swing the bat a little bit, but it was 1-0 Cards with no outs and Castillo on first. Just about the best possible time to bunt.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a piece of shit manager.

There’s really nothing else you can say.

Schneider is a left handed hitter — ideal against a right handed sinker baller — who has the HOT HAND and doesn’t play.

Tatis batting clean up even though he’s been cold for weeks.

Evans up here for window dressing despite the fact that he’s gone deep more times this season than everyone on the active roster not named Sheffield and Fernando Martinez.

by All Shook Down on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

can’t say much more than that.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

we have ONE HIT?

by JoshNY on Jun 23, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

three runs may as well be 13 tonight

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 runs

have never seemed like such an insurmountable hill

by Ballonthewall on Jun 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it

I really can’t see us coming back, the way they’ve looked so far.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Church works the count

and finally, somebody hits the ball hard of Jo-Rel

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In other Mets news:

Mejia: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 1 HR
Thole: 2-4, 1 3B (!), 1 RBI, 1 R
Ike Davis’ B-Mets debut: 2-2, 1 RBI, 2 BB

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good news all around

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Totally Awesome.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone read Minaya's quotes on WFAN?

Mentioned Holt, Mejia and Davis as quality prospects he wants to hold onto. If I believed him, it would be encouraging.

by Zwill on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he still doesn't know who Thole is?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thole : Minaya :: Stokes : Manuel

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some guys just bust our balls

Piniero is the Pat Burrell of pitchers

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i hate Piniero now

Molina. Piniero. Spezio.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a slight delay, but

Wow a Tatis DP. I want him hit and running from now on, regardless of score, it’s unreal. He really should have effin’ bunted. So angry I’m going to fast forward through this malarkey and catch up. Has Kalil Green set the record for putouts in 1 game?

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tatis should be DFA

he has no value to us….backup SS and 2B…you kidding me? DFA and bring up Malo

by Ballonthewall on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Ray of Hope

Maybe LaRussa pulls a Jerry and brings in Franklin after 1 guy gets on base in the 9th?

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that is the one good thing

to take out of this snoozer

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be worse

it could be a perfect game.

Honestly, with Beltran on the DL, I"m expecting a lot more performances like tonight than like last night

by cjmulrain on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, right now it's about treading water and trying to hold on...

this just isn’t a serious ML lineup.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I consider last night to be the exception.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

DW, then about 4 complimentary MLB Hitters and junk/kids/backups

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mental feebility

is a serious disease

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not a stupid question

it’s unclear. i assume they will “set-back” him until they are desparate

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"An injury"

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...if you mean his knee.

If you’re talking about his head, then, yes, that’s real and apparently permanent injury

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should have beaned Piniero in the head the last inning

when we had the chance. Another missed opportunity.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

San Dimas High School Baseball rules!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the takeway from this game is

that Dave Duncan is some kind of weird super-genius who also has a deal with the devil

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look like the strike zone's been pretty wide tonight

and that’s what a sinkerballer needs; for guys to HAVE to swing at that low pitch.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was getting everything low early

and then the Mets stopped taking those pitches and just kept hammering them into the ground.

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUNTS

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he showed it

he actually showed it. I just threw up in my mouth

by mets81 on Jun 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MORE THAN ONCE

IT REARS ITS UGLY HEAD

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome sacrifice!

by guy endore-kaiser on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

piitb.

wow. crud.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

Well, we never had a chance tonight. Let’s win the rubber game tomorrow.

Really, Jerry?

by Prince on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

two more games with the Cards

tomorrow and Thursday.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got two more in this series

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh we are going to have to watch this team for at least another month

by which time several miracles would have to happen to get regulars back and playing at a productive level, or the Mets will be so far out of contention it won’t matter.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm cancelling my subscription then

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They cancelled Bumblebee Man for that?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if Bruney

hates Pinero too.

Hmmm…let’s see…win the first game of the series, lose the next one. Where have we seen this before. Any bets on tomorrow?

by blains2000 on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c u all tomorrow :,,, ((((

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised that's only our 3rd shutout of the year

meh. when a guy is on his game like that i don’t know that we beat piniero even at full strength with the control he had tonight. as steve stone once said, “if I’m spotting my pitches the batter is irrelevant.”

i think the “true” output even for this crappy lineup is somewhere between last night’s 4 for 4 from santos and the collective vomit-fest that was tonight. the shame is wasting a reasonably good outing for Livan.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On nights like tonight

I’m glad to have DVR to fastforward through this basura.

by David G on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This sucks. I sooo want Manuel fired.

All these injuries are probably giving him an excuse to stay on.

by Chickendirt on Jun 24, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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