Mets Community Prospect List: #3
With 54% of the vote, the winner of round two is: Jenrry Mejia
Welcome to the Amazin' Avenue Mets Community Prospect List, where you get to vote on who the Mets best prospects are. Every poll will include eight candidates for the next spot on the list, as well as a separate group of testers. Testers will be rotated into polls with each update, replacing each poll's winner and any name that's not getting enough votes. For this poll, if someone is getting 0% of the votes I will consider swapping them out for a tester, assuming the votes seem to be getting a bit more spread around. If there's a particular tester you'd like to see added to the poll, or a name not on the testers list that you feel belongs there, voice your support in the comments section and it will be duly noted.
The list so far:
- Fernando Martinez
- Jenrry Meija
To replace Jenrry Mejia, Jefry Marte has been added to the candidates. In no particular order, here are the candidates for the Community's #3 Mets prospect:
- Brad Holt
- Wilmer Flores
- Ruben Tejada
- Reese Havens
- Jefry Marte
- Jonathon Niese
- Josh Thole
- Ike Davis
Testers - Dillon Gee, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Scott Moviel, Robert Carson, Jeurys Familia, Kyle Allen, Eddie Kunz, Brant Rustich, Francisco Pena
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This one should be where it gets interesting
F! and Mejia both destroyed the first two polls. This one figures to be much closer.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think it's got to be Wilmer.
He’s 17 in full season A ball and has held his own. His potential is much higher than Holt at this point.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jun 26, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see it
But I actually voted with Zwill on this one. I say things like I tend to favor upside over polish, but that more means Iike I’ll take Marte over Gee. I actually think Holt is a bit closer than his level suggests, and he has nice upside too. Though I could definitely see a case for Flores. I could even see a case for Havens, but I think the fact that he’s already had two relatively significant injuries in about a year holds him back a bit more than anything else he’s done.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where it should get REALLY close
is at #5. There are four or five guys there with legitimate cases to be #5, and all of them have above average regular player potential.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure quite that many
Maybe though. I have a feeling it’ll be pretty close between two or three guys through #5, then #6 is going to be a landslide for whoever is left, and then after that its going to be start really spreading out. There were definitely a couple guys on the Testers list when I started that I thought could belong ahead of some of the guys on the initial candidates list, but I wanted to go more by how I thought the general perception was. In fact there’s still a guy on the tester’s list that I might put ahead of a few of the guys on the candidates list, and its not Kyle Allen.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think
Thole, Niese, Havens, Marte, Tejada, and maybe Davis all have some sort of case. Not necessarily great ones, but definitely A case.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's true
I could definitely see all of them getting votes, and I could certainly be wrong.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiousity
who do you believe deserves #5?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think any of the next four spots
Could go to Holt, Flores, Havens, or Niese. There’s a bit of a drop after that, no matter how much I love a guy like Thole or Tejada, even they have limitations.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Thole as much as Havens and Niese, truthfully.
I feel he could be an above average catcher, which is always a useful commodity, to any team.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But he doesn’t have quite enough power where you can go ahead and say he’ll definitely carry offensive value if he loses too much batting average, and even if his defense is improving, he’s probably about average at best, and its tough to know just how far he can take it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m high as hell on him, I make a point of driving that home in every minors update I do, but like I said, he’s not as complete a prospect as those other guys. Niese may not have much ceiling left ahead of him, but aside from the crappy results, there’s nothing really flawed about his component numbers. They’re solid across the board.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything
I think you could make more of a case to put Tejada ahead of Thole (not saying that’s necessarily my opinion, just something to consider). Similar hitting profiles, same level, and though Thole’s production has been better, Tejada’s a lot younger, has some speed, and also is already a pretty polished defender at a premium position. Thole doesn’t really have any plus “tools”.
The thing about Thole that makes him so appealing is his utility to the organization. A decent young catcher is something the Mets could really use next year, while obviously, this isn’t as big an immediate concern at SS. Plus Thole’s bat, in terms of raw hitting ability, is also further along than Tejada’s. But Tejada’s a lot closer than most 19 year olds would be.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Thole’s most appealing characteristic is his position. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely true
Depends on how you’re weighting different factors. I think you’d have to consider putting Tejada over Thole on overall Top Prospects list, but if you’re just talking about the one organization, its easier to go with Thole.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went w/Holt
Wilmer’s potential is certainly higher and he may very well be a far more memorable player than Holt. However, Holt looks likely to be a contributor to the club as soon as next year whereas it’s hard for me to imagine Wilmer doing anything productive in the majors until at least 2012 or 2013
by Zwill on Jun 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Holt doesn’t seem that far away to me from being a pitcher of a quality somewhere between John Maine and Mike Pelfrey, and he has the upside for more.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it's neck and neck.
I voted for Wilmer. He’s 17, in full season ball, and he’s really picked it up lately. However, I can see the case for Holt.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Niese > Holt
First of all, Niese is younger (though they are essentially the same age).
But Holt has proven nothing outside of A-ball — he’s got one AA start in which he walked and k’d 3 in 6.1. Putting Holt on Niese’s level requires a lot of projection, and while he may have a higher ceiling, it’s one that will take quite a bit of work to reach.
Niese has already had some big league success, and as I posted in the previous thread, some of his early season “troubles” can, in part, be explained by the organization changing some of his grips. We all know about how the terrible defense and bad luck have hurt him as well.
Plus, he’s lefty.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a fair point.
But I’d just have to say Holt’s ceiling is still decidedly higher, and that just gives him an edge over Niese by just enough.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see a huge difference between Holt and Rustich, other than Holt being the shiny, new toy in the organization. (and Rustich’s inability to stay healthy)
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Health is definitely a huge factor, though.
And which guy has been more dominant out of the gate? Definitely Holt.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I also feel Niese’s ceiling is being undersold.
He doesn’t throw his FB particularly hard, but it’s not like he’s a soft-tosser either, especially for a lefty. And he’s already been able to get swings and misses on the FB. And, as previously referenced, he’s been able to increase his GB% with his new 2-seamer, which is going to be big for him.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I can kinda see it
I just don’t think its as much projection with Holt as some might think. He has a low floor too, in that he already has all the makings of a quality relief arm. It seems very unlikely he’s not useful on some level, and the fastball, size, and as importantly, his ability to maintain his “stuff” deep into games gives him a whole dimension of upside that Niese doesn’t have.
To me, it seems like worst case scenario, Holt’s a power relief arm with closer potential. Best case scenario, he develops an offspeed “out pitch” and becomes a top of the rotation starter built for durability who has the not-so-common double threat of a propensity for both grounders and Ks. And something in between would be a starter in the mold of Mike Pelfrey or John Maine, aka a guy who has a good enough fastball to scrap by as a mid rotation starter without much else.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a high floor*
Not a low floor, lol.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Rustich would be a very good prospect if he’d spent the last few years starting, been healthy, and received a promotion to Double-A by now. His numbers in relief are very good, but the league average tRA for relievers is generally going to be about half a run lower. And the Mets are just being so careful with him, like he’s a China Doll.
Also, I think its kind of a myth that Niese has done something drastic to up his GB% this year. Maybe he’s throwing a new fastball, but he’s been over 50% in every year except 2006, and for his career its 51.8%, as opposed to 54.7% this year. So its really just always been a strength for him. Niese is what he is. He might still make some improvements, I’d love to see him develop a changeup or a harder breaking ball, something to fill in the middle of the speed differential spectrum. As is, it seems like batters can sit one speed or another with him and for major leaguer hitters, that’s about enough to guess along. But even then, Its hard to see him dominating, and he doesn’t have the top tier reliever potential if for some reason he doesn’t work out as a starter. He’s very likely to work out as a starter, but still.
And one more, I feel like the extra professional experience negates the ARL difference for Niese and Holt at least to some extent.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
niese is nice and all but until he polishes off that third pitch his fastball is undoing. as long as he barely hits 90, throws it straight as an arrow and can’t quite command it in the strikezone (often leaving it up) he’ll never be anything more than a 3-5 starter at best. that is, w/ his current offering of pitches because now he must rely on it way too much. that’ll fly in the minors but not in the show.
the solution is to develop his change into a reliable offering and pitch in the same mold as a zack duke. this allows him to throw the fastball a lot less (he threw it approx. 65% in his brief ’08 debut whereas duke is closer to 50%) and then rely almost equally on the curve and change.
the slider is another possible solution but based on how rarely he throws it i’m assuming that pitch is a long way from being a solid option. so stick with the change. but hey, if he can somehow do both, now you’ve got paul maholm.
by robcast23 on Jun 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and so my point...
if you’re brad holt, you can survive in the majors with just a nasty fastball (exhibits a & b: maine and big pelf) and build up from there. you won’t always be dominant but you’ll survive and it gives you a good base.
but if you’re jon niese you can’t survive with just a nasty curve. unfortunately for niese it almost always comes back to the fastball at the major league level and his is middling at best. to make up for that you need at least 2 other solid options and at the moment he only has 1.
by robcast23 on Jun 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holt has only made one start above high-A. It’s no given he’s going to keep having success in the upper levels of the minors, let alone the majors. Calling Holt’s floor a solid MLB reliever is pretty silly.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when his fastball is that good.
There are plenty of relievers who get by with just one pitch, a fastball that is already worse than Holt’s.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s awfully presumptuous. It’s yet to be determined how hitters at the higher levels will respond to Holt’s fastball. There have been countless pitching prospects with a fastball as good who have failed.
He’s made one start past A-ball, and some claim he could already be a successful MLB reliever? Let’s not act like Braves fans.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...the team that basically stocked the Rangers farm system, called the best in baseball?
And no one says he’ll absolutely be successful. No one has a 100% success rate. But there’s a much better chance that Holt is a successful major league arm than Niese, long term. As in, for the next few years and onward.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're over-emphasizing context
The fact that he’s in a lesser league isn’t a negative value process, at worst its value limiting, but its not a “-1” for the player. Its more what determines how you examine the evidence, but not a piece of evidence in itself. The most negative thing you can say about Holt from a numbers standpoint is that the data is limited. But a guy posting a 50/10 K/BB in 40 innings in Hi-A, there’s just not much more that you could ask for. Its still a clear improvement over what he did last year in Brooklyn, (96/33 in 72.2). So his K/9 dropped from 11.00 to 10.00. His command was even better. He’s progressed along the exact path you’d hoped for thus far. If they moved him to the pen, I’m fairly convinced he could contribute in the last month or two (at least better than Eddie Kunz could). And I’m not the only person who feels this way.
I mean, while I think this is true:
That’s awfully presumptuous. It’s yet to be determined how hitters at the higher levels will respond to Holt’s fastball. There have been countless pitching prospects with a fastball as good who have failed.
I would surmise that there have also been countless pitching prospects who were left handed, had an average fastball and plus second pitch, succeeded but didn’t dominate in the upper levels, never dominated the lower levels, and failed. Lots of prospects fail. I don’t think, at this moment, its any likelier that Niese succeeds as a mid-rotation starter as it is that Holt succeeds as a late inning bullpen arm. Combine that with Holt’s upside, and he’s a better prospect to me.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why not Rustich?
You could essentially say the same about him.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, I'm posting an explanation to that right now to All Shook Down
Gimme a sec ;)
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't agree with that
Aside from natural attrition, he has everything he needs to succeed at the MLB level, possibly even in relief right now, and he’s way ahead of where Bobby Parnell was at this age. With a plus fastball, a reliever can get away with a fringey second pitch. I really don’t see how he turns out much worse than that. I mean, obviously he’s proven nothing in the upper levels yet, but that’s fine, he’s only a year removed from being drafted, and he’s been nothing short of dominant in his stops in the lower levels, posting excellent K% and solid GB% at each stop.
I feel the fact that he’s still just starting his Double-A career is more than anything a nicely done job by the Mets of tempering excitement and developing him properly, limiting his exposure and his innings. But he really does have all the tools to move quickly if they wanted to be more aggressive. I remember reading reports about his last year in college, he had a start where he completed nine innings, threw 130ish pitches, and was still throwing 94 mph in the ninth inning. His learning/improvement curve since that last year at UNC has been absolutely tremendous. Before that year he was considered a back end of the first 10 rounds type draft pick. If the velocity spike had happened a year earlier, he probably would have been a Top 15 overall pick instead of a Supp. And he’s done nothing since then but improve more.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holt vs. Parnell
They seem awfully similar to me.
In 2007, Parns was almost the exact same age as Holt was now, and similarly began in the FSL. Parnell put up some monster numbers there — in 12 starts he had a 10.08 K/9 and a 2.37 ERA, even more impressive than what Holt did. When he was moved up to AA, he was solid but not great. I think we’ll see the same from Holt.
They say the jump from A+ to AA is the biggest, so I don’t know how anyone can be so confident about Holt until he shows something in the EL, the way Mejia has.
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
In a similar innings total, Parnell had a lower K/BB (2.82 to 4.15) and a higher WHIP (1.466 to 1.085). Parnell showed some excellent signs in, but Holt’s component numbers were at least slightly better across the board. The one advantage Holt had was GB%, but he didn’t quite dominate on the level you’d want a 22 year old to. But considering Parnell’s fastball and success, I’d have guessed he could be a pretty good reliever after his St. Lucie stint, and probably assumed it was a more likely outcome since he never got the grades for curveball potential and just didn’t dominate on quite the same level.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
The one advantage Parnell had was GB%
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parnell also had a significantly better FIP
by T Pac on Jun 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but even if FIP is supposed to be defense neutral
Its still a results based statistic, not process. It can be telling, but its not a precision stat regarding minor leaguers. I’ll take the 2.99 FIP and 4.00+ K/BB over the guy with the 2.51 FIP and >3.00 K/BB. The 4.00 K/BB means the FIP has a lot better chance of holding up in the upper levels.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Parnell was a later convert to pitching than Holt was, and didn’t have the same level of success in his Low-A debut. It was more of a breakout for Parnell in St. Lucie, which you’re always wary of when a pitcher shows that much improvement in that particular league. Holt’s improvements may be somewhat FSL artificial as well, but even if he goes back to nibbling a bit when he gives up some more HR, then maybe his K/BB drops back down from 4.00ish to 3.00ish, instead of from 3.00ish to 2.00ish like you saw with Parnell after leaving St. Lucie.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, one more
My impressions on Parnell as a starter were that he never had clean enough mechanics to develop above average command, and he had a tendency to tire and lose velocity. These are both strengths for Holt. Plus, both BA and BP ranked Holt ahead of Parnell entering the season as well in their organizational rankings.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really stopped following the system closely in 2006-2007 because we didn't have picks
So what kind of injury befell Rustich?
Also, do you think he’s the kind of pitcher who’d have a platoon split problem as he moves through the system?
by All Shook Down on Jun 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rustich
Is really hard to grade. I mean, he’s basically matched what Holt has done, but its taken him two years longer, and he’s done most of it in short relief. Like what I was saying above with Holt, this is an issue of context, but so much of the context is diluted with Rustich that its hard to draw anything conclusive out of it. I’d have to dig a little deeper to find out what all the specific injuries he’s had are, but Toby Hyde called his issues last year “dead arm” .
The other piece of it with Rustich though is his college track record. He had a finger injury in 2006, and so he was moved to relief full time in 2007. And aside from that, he really never had great numbers, despite overwhelmingly positive reviews from scouts. He had a 5.77 ERA though and 53/32 K/BB in 72.1 IP.
The confusing thing is the Mets decision to spend so much time dangling him between the bullpen at the rotation. It seems like the fact that he’s any success in the bullpen thus far has been a huge win, and they may have hit a nice outcome here and earned themselves the quality relief prospect they missed out on with Kunz. But they’ve spent so much time trying to “ease” him into the rotations every year, last year it caused him some arm problems, this year he’s had blister problems and really hasn’t thrown more than three or four innings in his starts anyway. There are just things you can’t know about Rustich that you can know about Holt. Will he maintain plus velocity deep into games? Will his secondary stuff and command hold up going through lineups more than once? You have some of these answers with Holt, you really don’t have any for Rustich.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rustich needs to best some injury problems and then I'll make the comparison.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets need to stop being so in between with him
If they’re so set on making him a starter, they should just take the risk and let him start games from the beginning of a season for once. Every year he starts in the pen, has zero problems getting hitters at his level out, and then all of a sudden the Mets put him in the rotation, and he’ll go like 2.0-3.2 innings per start, come up with some relatively benign seeming injury, and the organization freaks out and shuts him down and then starts the process all over again.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'm necessarily advocating starting him
I just wish they’d pick a direction and go with it. If he’s in the pen, leave him in the pen, if he’s in the rotation, leave him in the rotation.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
My bad, those were Holt’s 2007 college stats. He wound up upping those a TON in 2008 before the draft, which was part of my point before about how much improvement he’s shown in the last two years. His velocity spiked and he shot up draft boards, did nothing to diminish his progress in Brooklyn, and improved thus far in St. Lucie this year.
As for Rustich, his numbers in his last year in college ball were 6.17 ERA with a 29/17 K/BB in 27.2 IP. So the K’s was there, but he had no command at all.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Its a good point on Rustich’s platoon splits. They’re much more significant than Holt’s. In Holt’s short career, he walks lefties quite a bit more, but he also strikes them out at a higher clip and gets them to hit more groundballs. His BABIP is also really low against lefties, and that will likely change and yield some sort of platoon split, but if keeps missing as many lefty bats as he does righties, he should be okay.
Rustich falls off quite a bit more against lefties. He doesn’t have Holt’s absurd strikeout rate to begin with, and it does fall off against lefties pretty consistently against lefties through his career, as does his command.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'd like to see either Rustich or N! as the next man added to the poll.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 27, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup those are my choices too
Then Gee, Moviel and then probably the three Savannah SPs. I’m not gonna cut anyone off of this poll since only four guys are getting votes still. I’m not gonna close it quite yet either, I’d like to try and get at least 40 votes in, preferably closer to 50 the way they’ve gone, but it looks like Holt’s got it locked up so I’ll probably try to close it by the end of the day.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




















