Ooh, Zing, Burn-ett: Yankees 5, Mets 0

by Eric Simon on Jun 28, 2009 1:27 AM EDT Comment 23 comments

If you thought -- like me -- that things couldn't get any worse than Friday Night, allow me to introduce you to this smarmy douchebag who calls himself Saturday Night. For the third time in four games the Mets did practically nothing at the plate; this time around it was against A.J. Burnett, who came within an Alex Cora single of earning his second career no-hitter. The Mets managed three walks and whiffed ten times against the nasty -- but wild -- Burnett, who dominated the Mets like no pitcher has since at least, oh, Friday-ish. The ten strikeouts were a season-high for Burnett.

For the Mets, Redding was roughed up by an admittedly awesome Yankees lineup, who pounded out six hits -- including homeruns by Nick Swisher and Jorge Posada -- in plating five runs in 5.1 innings against the Mets' starter. The Mets' patience with Redding is undoubtedly wearing thin; the Mets' ~~fifth~~ fourth starter has had exactly two good starts, one decent start and now five bad-to-awful starters. If he keeps this up, the Mets will either have to:

Call up somebody else, like Jon Niese or Brandon Knight
Trade for someone (<--- could be disastrous)
Hope really hard that John Maine or Oliver Perez comes back soon

Perez makes a rehab start with Brooklyn on Sunday and could return to the Mets within a couple of weeks, I'm guessing. Maine, not so much. Has it come to this: openly wishing for Perez to get healthy quickly? I feel dirty.

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Win Probability Added

Big winners: Brian Stokes, 1.3% WPA, Patrick Misch, +0.4% WPA
Big losers: Tim Redding, -14.2% WPA, Daniel Murphy, -7.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Cano strikeout to end first, +4.8% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Swisher homerun in third, -11.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -12.3% WPA
Total batter WPA: -37.7% WPA
GWRBI!: Nick Swisher

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by AnthonyR; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num	Name	# of Posts
1	AnthonyR	58
2	JADDENHOPKINS	52
3	wobatus	40
4	Prince	28
5	MetsFan4Decades	28
6	The Glider	22
7	itsmetsforme	21
8	All Shook Down	14
9	Chickendirt	11
10	cjboyd	10

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Notnumbertwonotnumbertwonotnumbertwo

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That answer begs this question

Who?
And for what?

"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we don't, I don't think we can survive.

It was enough without Reyes and Delgado, but now without Beltran we are completely a one man show.

Here’s what you do: Lock F!, Holt and Mejia in a closet and then go speak to the Indians and Nats about Dunn and Martinez, 2 guys who make reasonable dollars, can be utilized after the DL Brigade comes back and are under contract for next year.

See if you can pry them with everyone else we have in the system. Outside of these guys, our other prospects are easily replaced by doing something like trading Mike Pelfrey in the offseason and replacing him with someone in Free Agency (John Lackey for example). Has he shown you enough to keep you from doing that?

There is always a way around depleting the farm if you work the system. Wags and Putz will also be potential Waiver deals that could net us something if we fall out of it.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pelf isn't untouchable, obviously.

But would it really be wise, considering what else we have? It would literally be Johan + ???. I hope Maine can be effective, but he’s only really had one full injury free season. I don’t know how much he can be expected to contribute, realistically. You can’t count on Perez to be anything more than an erratic #5 at this point. Livan is a realistic option next year for anything more than what he SHOULD have been this year: depth in the minors. Nieve is a wild card: he could be an effective pitcher long term, but all the signs (the amount of pitches it takes him to get through innings, etc.) makes it more likely that he should be just a spot starter ala Figueroa. Niese should be up and pitching in the bigs, but he’s a middle-to-back end starter at best, most likely. Holt will come up and contribute next year in all likelihood (and crossing my fingers, Mejia may as well), but he’s not going to start the year in the rotation, nor should he. Therefore, if we trade Pelf, we have a bonafide ace, a good but not #2 quality pitcher, and a bunch of mehs.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, but there is Free Agency as well.

Not a ton of great options but good enough to replace him.

Spending Money > Trading Prospects

If we need to make a trade and we dent the system, we can always get them back. Once you get past the first couple of prospects, there isn’t anyone who should be “untouchable”.

The question is, can we get anything of value from those players?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously spending money > trading prospects

Which is why I’d caution against trading Pelf. That way, we can concentrate on signing one really good pitcher as opposed to desperately trying to plug multiple holes in the rotation.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

DeRosa ?

Here’s the question of the day:

Would you guys have traded Bobby Parnell and lower level pitching prospect (but not Brad Holt) to the Indians for DeRosa?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Jun 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Niese, I would have at least thought about it. Nothing more...

He’s a nice player, but if I’m going to go that deep, I’ll go get Dunn, Martinez or Holliday.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Parnell rather, sorry.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would have done Parnell+Gee.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean honestly, I would have too

but those resources could probably be used for a better player. It’s all conjecture…I wish I knew what it would cost for V-Mart and Dunn.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, not saying that was the best move.

But if it was the only move we could make…isolated, by itself, I would do it.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

Not because Parnell is the second coming of Jeebus, but because this team isn’t doing anything this season. How come no one wants our aging utility players?

by DonGately on Jun 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why isn't this team doing anything this season?

It’s July and we’re 1.5 games out. With all of the games lost to injury and the value of the players who are out, we can do a lot in this division if we can stay afloat.

If we get someone to help until the All-Star Break, we should have Reyes and Beltran (hopefully) back and we’d be in the same position we were in at the beginning of the season.

When/if Del comes back, we’ll be even better.

We are in this thing without:

Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, Maine, Perez, Putz and Wagner, all of whom should be back at some point.

It would be foolish to write the season off considering the situation.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When all it took was Chris Perez...

Then that to me is a failure by Minaya. It did not take much to get DeRosa after all. Parnell for DeRosa would have been fine with me. He probably hurt his value over this last month though, since he’s been awful.

by David G on Jun 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It all depends on the mystery PTBNL

The Cards have some good young pitching prospects…it could be a Brad Holt type player for all we know and I’m not trading Parnell and Holt for 2 months of DeRosa.

If they were to be moved it would need to be for a Dunn/Martinez type player who had some value beyond this year.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speculation

on Fox Sports has suggested that the PTBNL might be Jesse Todd or Francisco Samuel. Samuel is apparently Ricky Vaughn Redux but Todd looks like he might be a better pitcher than either Parnell or Perez if his newfound control is real.

by Zwill on Jun 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Parnell <<<<<< Perez

So, I don’t know why you think Minaya could’ve landed DeRosa for Parns.

by Eric Simon on Jun 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno about <<<<<<

maybe <<<<.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

$147,000,000 for what?

Now when I watch a Mets game, I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. $147mil for what? For keeping the grass green at Citi Field? Or was it spend on staying at the best hotels when on the road? Today I noticed the Mets are dead last on hitting homerun! Last! I thought the Mets were suppose to be better this year. I never thought we would be looking at last place which is exactly where they are heading (sorry Washington National, you’re gonna have to accept fourth place). Tell me, should I laugh or cry?

by kookyspooky115 on Jun 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs