Reyes has a tear in his hamstring

Per Kevin Burkhardt's Twitter: "He'll be evaluated for 2 days", and then they'll come up with a plan from there. How much more injury news can this team take?

Update: Adam Rubin confirms. On the bright side, Alex Cora returned today and has been productive in limited action this season.

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Oh no

:-(

by All Shook Down on Jun 4, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

This season cannot get any tougher for this team

"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Jun 4, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Please don't mortgage the farm

I’m all for making a deal for Nick Johnson or Aubrey Huff to help the offense along but at this stage, with all of these injuries, it’d be dumb to trade F!, Holt, Havens, Mejia or Niese, because this team was going to struggle to win 91 or 92 games completely healthy. Screw you NY media and impatient fans: the team’s window is not closing. Keep our prospects and we’ll be the ‘team to beat’ for the next five years.

by All Shook Down on Jun 4, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

The only position we really don’t have a prospect in position to fill within the next couple of years is 1B now that Nick Evans has hit a downward slide.

by EMSfan9 on Jun 4, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But first base is a position that can be filled

via trades or free agency pretty easily. Unless you have a star prospect there (i.e. Smoak or Alonso) it’s not that terrible not to have a great prospect there.

But actually, they do have Ike Davis, who was a first round pick last year and has been much better this season, so who knows.

This season comes down to a few things:

1) It’s not over, and it’s early. If the Mets can keep this division within 3-5 games by the July 31 deadline, it’s very possible for a comeback with the possible returns of Delgado, Wagner, and Reyes.

2) In the long run, this team still has Reyes, Beltran, Wright, FMart, Johan, Pelfery, Maine, Parnell, and K-Rod.

If I’m Omar, I try and do a few things at once. Search the waiver wire and the trade mills to see what is available for a low price, and at the same time check what is out there for my guys like Schneider, Livan Hernandez, Putz, Feliciano (an incredible LOOGY who will never have higher value, and LOOGY’s can be made or found), Castillo, Church, etc.

PS- All this just happened to coincide with the trading of Ramon Castro and promotion of Omir Santos to starting catcher. Coincidence?

I think not.

Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...

by MetsGeek on Jun 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

+1 to everything you say here

Maybe we should have a “long term strategy” or “why not to panic and sell the farm” FanPost discussion sometime soon. The Scotties and assorted mouthbreathers, both here and elsewhere, are getting very tiresome with all the BLOW IT UP NOW TRADE FOR HOLLIDAY knee-jerking. A more reasoned set of steps to follow, ideas about small moves to make and role-players who could be moved, would be a nice way to moderate the discussion a little.

by anonymous on Jun 4, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

blow it up now

I have not seen many if any posts on this site recently that suggest anything like blow it up now although any particular move suggested might qualify, depending on the eye of the beholder. Of course, the ideal small moves are acquiring people like Ramon Castro for guys like Lance Broadway.

Everyone wants to keep all the good players and expects to get players back for Eddie Kunz.

The question to me is will Delgado and Reyes come back. If not, then it may be too hard to plug all the holes to make it worthwhile giving up much future for this year.

Tejada has some value. I know it would be hard to give him up, but maybe if you got a Victor Marinez (just tossing him out there). Reyes presumably will be ss for years to come still, and havens may be 2b of the future.

I don’t know that I’d even want to make that trade, even if Cleveland would. Is that mouthbreather material?

by wobatus on Jun 4, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you really suggesting

that Ruben Tejada is too much to give up for a guy like Victor Martinez? I’d love to be a fly on the wall if Omar offered that to Shapiro.

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

I was thinking of a package. 19 year old good fielding shortstops in double A with an oba above .380 are valuable. You don’t think so? I thought Cleveland pretty much had to get rid of Martinez anyway. But like I said maybe that is mouthbreather material on either end.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they want to move him until they are totally out of the race

They are going to ask for the moon…too

by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I just was looking at tejada. he is really picking it up. I will write about it under the home pager asking Omar not to mortgage the team.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They don't have to move him at all

They have him under contract this year and next, and it’s not an expensive option. Tejada has some value to the Mets, but he’s hardly a top SS prospect.

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would say a 19 year old ss in AA

that’s put up the numbers he’s put up so far would be considered a top short stop prospect by most people. if he manages to keep up most of these numbers he’s going to start being considered a major prospect.

by Gina on Jun 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

He’s been somewhat undervalued by the general (baseball) public. I love how our farm system continually is trashed, but in all honesty, by the end of this year I wouldn’t be surprised if we were Top 10.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm kind of in between

I don’t think he’ll ever really be a blue chip prospect, just really, really solid. I see his ceiling as something along the lines of Luis Castillo on the other side of the keystone. I haven’t read anything that suggests he’s ever going to develop power, and he’s not a real burner either. .300 / .380 / .400 would be awesome for a solid glove SS, but its not elite prospect material if that’s his ceiling. Its very good prospect material, but not quite elite.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

but very good for an ss, and let’s hope he eats his wheaties or goes to Ben Zobrist’s swing doctor.

As for Squid’s ‘top 10" I would say yes if Martinez doesn’t lose his status.

He will be one of the top few, if not Straburgian.

Mejia if he keeps it up will be a top guy. Holt too.

Thole is a nice prospect.

Niese has probably fallen off many lists and was never loved, but I am sure shrewd analysts a la Sickels will note that his peripherals are solid.

Davis has revived to the point he isn’t a bust, even if he’ll have to step it up in AA.

Havens, hurt, but had a monster April.

Tejada, again, maybe not elite but promising, useful major league starter material, at least up the middle.

Niesen, albeit repeating, has increased his value.

Marte and Flores mere presence in A ball shows their promise.

And several other good organizational guys.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Niese has probably fallen off many lists and was never loved, but I am sure shrewd analysts a la Sickels will note that his peripherals are solid.

Hopefully the abysmal infield defense in Buffalo will be noted as well. I just can’t get over the fact that Mike Lamb is playing second base.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

I also am fond of Brant Rustich, though I really wish they’d let him start.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah he's becoming more interesting by the outing

Though I’m torn on starter vs. reliever with him. His durability issues are a red flag, and he could have short term value (as in, maybe even this year) in the pen. Though the long term upside of using him as a starter could be well worth the risk.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think of it this way.

He’s already amassed some significant IP totals (over 30), and my personal creed is to always develop the guys as starters. But yeah, if durability is that big of an issue…

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah he has such a bizarre track record

He just kinda confuses the hell out of me. Terrible college career, but always had tremendous “stuff”. Now it looks like he’s busting out after lots of injuries early on as a pro. I’m really not quite sure what to make of him. I badly want to get excited, but there still seems to be plenty of letdown potential.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...I would like Holliday.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said

I agree with you on several instances but this is the one everyone needs to consider. The window is not closing, but truly opening. There is no hurry to win it all!

2) In the long run, this team still has Reyes, Beltran, Wright, FMart, Johan, Pelfery, Maine, Parnell, and K-Rod.

by EMSfan9 on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ike Davis is OPSing over .800 in the FSL

I don’t expect the Mets to fill out the Major League club entirely with prospects, but they need to leverage their minor league system for payroll relief. It’s clear that the team is converging toward a maximum payroll threshold and the best way to control the payroll is by promoting from within. A mid-2010/2011 team with Reese Havens at the keystone and Brad Holt and Jon Niese in the rotation is a lot more efficient than doling out a three-year contract to an aged Orlando Hudson or blowing $15M a year for a few ‘proven veteran starters’.

by All Shook Down on Jun 4, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Noooooo Aubrey Huff.

Russell Branyan is the good version of him.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 4, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take either one right now

assuming they don’t cost too much

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be happy with Cantu as well

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

But is he worth a top prospect? He’s someone I think is worth keeping tabs on, but you can’t make a panic deal for him. The hope would be that by the time the deadline comes up, the McLouth deal set a market standard that undervalued good but sub-superstar level players, and at which point you’d know a bit more about Delgado. If you try to pry him loose from the Marlins now, a division rival, he’d cost at least one top tier prospect, which at the moment would probably be F!, Holt, Mejia, or Flores.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't think he'd cost one of those 4

Florida never seems to charge a premium to deal within the division, and they never seem to go after the guys everyone thinks they’d be after.

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's true

But its not like keeping Cantu on the roster is a huge hindrance to them. They don’t have to move him for payroll reasons, I’m sure they’d like to, but they don’t have to force the issue.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would the Marlins trade him to the Mets?

by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Delgado, LoDuca, Vargas/Bostwick

Those two teams don’t seem to have any issues working together

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but Delgado and LoDuca were

part of a major firesale, and both owed significant money. Vargas and Bostick were pretty much nothing to the Marlins. This is a completely different situation.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd prefer Branyan too

But the Mariners are on the periphery of contention and don’t owe Branyan a lot of money. Huff is making $8M and keeping the Orioles from playing Felix Pie every day. I think it’d be a lot easier to pry Huff loose, which is why I gave him and Johnson as examples.

by All Shook Down on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

pardon my language but

fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck

by Gina on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seconded

And throw in one more fuck for good measure.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wilson "Ninja" Valdez

come on down

by James Kannengieser on Jun 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's not overeact,

At least now we know what the injury is, and now that Cora is back a Cora/Castillo/Valdez trio isnt’ the worst thing in the world. If Church comes back and hits we might tread water until he gets back.

by twon8 on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't say this is an overreaction

This is atrocious, especially if this is a new injury that developed because he pushed himself too soon. Its not the end of the world, but its pretty darn awful.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He might only be out another week or two,

If the doctor wants to see him again in two day’s i’d say there is a possiblity that this is a very small tear and will heal on it’s own quickly .

If he injured himself because he was trying to come back that’s one thing, but as of right now it’s speculation.

by twon8 on Jun 4, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah this seems to be the sentiment

But regardless, this is twice he’s tried to come back and suffered a setback. This is Ryan Church’s concussions all over again, except with an actually important player. I hate to sound reactionary, but someone needs to be held accountable for this. Even if its a best case scenario two week setback, it could have been a helluva lot worse. If he was still this tender in his legs, there’s no way he should have even been sniffing a ballfield.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 4, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This has happened too many times for no one to be held accountable.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 4, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, but I think moves involving the trainers need to be made over the offseason

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good points

We hear the word “tear” and assume the worst. The reality is that many tears are extremely minor and heal quite quickly. It’s possible he’ll be out an extended period but he could just as easily be back in the lineup in 10-15 days.

by Zwill on Jun 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you're right

but he could still have the fear of re-injuring it after he returns. He needs his explosivity to be effective.

by hotspur on Jun 4, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well that's operating under the assumption

that he returns at less than 100%, which I guess is a fair one given the team’s recent ineptitude when dealing w/injuries. But it he’s fully healed when he returns, there’s no reason to expect him to be at a higher risk than normal.

by Zwill on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He does have reccurence in his leg injury track record

They really need to be extra careful with this. They already should have been extra careful with this.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fishwrapper

Any prognosis when Reyes will return? This explains his funk. He was complaining about the pain for weeks and the medical staff did not investigate further til the injury got worse. The trainers and medical support staff should be held accountable.

Wait a second, this is the Mets with laisez faire money grubbing owners, narrow minded Expos/Dominican player biased GM, and grisson driven non-fundamental baseball genius of a witless manager.

by cuseindahuse on Jun 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is bullshit.

I don’t care whether or not it’s the trainers for being shitty or our owners for not wanting to pay for good trainers, but this can’t happen anymore. We’ve gone from a week-to-week injury now to something that could be career threatening. The Mets have to stop going down this road of treating injuries lightly; there have been too many mistakes.

by BlackOps on Jun 4, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

whoa....

I realize the frustration level is high right now, but I’d hardly call a slightly torn hamstring career threatning.

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jun 5, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Adam Rubin is correct, then that’s great news. I was obviously wrong before if it isn’t a serious tear. If it actually is a serious tear, then that’s an issue.

by BlackOps on Jun 5, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who is diagnosing these guys?

by Reg Dunlop on Jun 4, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs

There's a crazy man with a scalpel in the ER, and he's demanding to see a quack!

“Sir, calm down, you’re going to give yourself skin failure. The symptoms you describe lead me to believe that you are suffering from bonus eruptus, a rare disorder in which the skeleton tries to jump out of the skin. The only way to stop it is through transdental electromicide. I’ll need a golf cart motor and a thousand volt capacimator, stat.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 4, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

That was

the best part in that episode.

"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez

by Lance Johnson on Jun 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dr. Nick

“Do you see this smudge that looks like a fingerprint? That’s Trauma!”

Hutz: I’m not a doctor, you’re not a doctor, the only one in the room who comes close is This man!

Riviera: Stop, you’re embarassing me.

OK, special non-redeemable bonus points: who is Bernard on the show and who is he based on in real life?

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

No one answered. The answer is Moe’s bouncer in one episode. He also shows up as a wedding usher. if you have ever seen the poster of all Simpson’s characters (through that time), he is in there, although with only 2 brief cameos.

Bernard is his real name. He used to be the bouncer at Max Fish, the bar/gallery on the lower east side. Which was there well before almost anything else catering to the hipster set was in that neighborhood. And he used to buy weed from my room-mate. I hope the statute of limitations has passed.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This

is going mainstream.

by Mount17 on Jun 5, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How many guys can we continue to medically mismanage?

This is just ridiculous…if the injury was old, then this medical staff needs to be canned. If injury was misdiagnosed to allow him to go back out there and further hurt himself, this medical staff needs to be canned.

This is not a 1 time deal. You’d think that you would want competent individuals involved with your $150 million stable of athletes.

Injuries happen, but this is just too many instances to be a coincidence.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jun 5, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I kinda feel dirty for suggesting this

But on the subject of potential acquisitions, what about Miguel Tejada? He’s kind of a decent fit. Pure salary dump, and the Pirates just set something of a market marker for limited defensive players at important defensive positions. He could probably be had cheap assuming the Mets were willing to take on a good portion of his salary. And he might be a guy you could also get away with at first base if Reyes comes back and Delgado doesn’t. He’s been pretty awful defensively, but you can buffer that a bit by keeping a guy like Valdez on the bench and using him late in games and day games after night games. Plus he’s a FA at the end of the year, and quite possibly a Type A, though he might be a risk to offer arbitration to. Still, no long term commitment, and low cost in terms of prospects.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's a wonderful suggestion

And considering the expected performance out of the alternatives — Cora: below average defense, average hitting; Valdez: good defense, extremely bad hitting — Tejada’s offense would have the greatest impact.

Is Ed Wade smart enough to know that two first round draft picks can be as valuable as prospects? Will McLane meddle (no pun intended) into GM affairs?

by All Shook Down on Jun 5, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought immediately of Tejada

I wouldn’t be opposed

by cjmulrain on Jun 5, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh, on principle, no.

In practicality, maybe.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rubin is reporting the tear is in the tendon, not the hamstring itself

and that it should be a few weeks, not months till he gets back. Reyes is sounding like this is the initial injury and it just wasnt’ found on the initial MRI. This is plausible if the tear was tiny and there was still swelling in the area.

by twon8 on Jun 5, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh. I hate this team's trainers.

by cjmulrain on Jun 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

some good news from the NY Times article

“Reyes missed parts of his first two seasons, 2003 and 2004, because of frequent hamstring injuries, and it was unclear whether he will now be out again for a substantial period, although when the Yankees’ Jorge Posada sustained a hamstring tendon tear in 2006, he missed only four games.”

by twon8 on Jun 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs