Omar Minaya, Please Don't Do Anything Drastic
The news of Jose Reyes's hamstring tear is disappointing, and his production in the lineup will be missed no matter how long he is sidelined. Shortstops worth 5-6 WAR per season are precious commodities. However, the season certainly is not lost. It's still only June, the Phillies magic number is 107, and the Mets still have a 40% chance of making the playoffs. Considering this, I am here to ask Omar Minaya to not do anything outrageous.
Dear Omar,
Please do not purge the farm system for Matt Holliday or Carlos Lee. Seeking out a blockbuster trade at this point would be silly, as most other GMs (yes, even Ed Wade) can sense the semi-desperate circumstances surrounding your team. The package required to secure Holliday was already enormous, and Billy Beane won't be giving a sympathy discount following Reyes's injury. Who knows if Lee is even on your radar, but it would be wise to avoid a 32 year-old, 250 lbs. defensive butcher owed $18.5 million each of the next 3 seasons. Instead, look to add a solid bat like Nick Johnson or one of the other Nationals OF/1B. These players won't clean out the minor league system and are more valuable than you think. There's nothing wrong with acquiring unathletic, high-OBP sluggers.
Over the next few weeks, turn off the talk radio, don't watch Daily News Live!, and avoid the boys over at Mama's of Corona. These are not the types that should be influencing your decisions. Take a deep breath and realize that the Mets' core is outstanding and still relatively young. Residing in your improving minor league system are young fireballers Brad Holt and Jenrry Mejia, an OBP-machine of a catcher in Josh Thole, and a 20 year-old outfield phenom named Fernando Martinez. None of them should be wearing Oakland Athletics green and yellow uniforms at any point this season. Find a few valuable supporting players, let the young'ns develop, and maybe in a few years (or this year?) you'll be sipping some of that champagne Willie Randolph used to talk about.
Sincerely,
Rationality
P.S. Hire a new training staff.
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Dear Omar
Dear Omar,
Don’t listen to James. PANIC. You’re one big injury away from complete armageddon. Carlos ain’t coming back. Jose will come back, but his most precious commodity is hurt so he won’t be at 100% effectiveness. Oliver Perez is the biggest free agent bust in years. Putz has not worked out. Our offense is sputtering, littered with replacement players. The fan community is excited to have Alex Cora — things are bad!
Just so ya know.
Love, John (ZaBlanc)
The 2009 Amazin' Avenue: SCREW K-ROD, SIGN FUENTES! Check it out, K-Rod ERA under 1.00, Fuentes over 5.00. CASTILLO MUST GO! Castillo is hitting .300!! DON'T SIGN SHEFFIELD! Sheffield has been a great signing. OMIR WHO? Omir grand slam! OMIR SUCKS! Omir takes Papelbon deep to win. CASTRO OVER OMIR! Omir drives in every Met run, wins game! EPIC FAIL.
by ZaBlanc on Jun 5, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Beningo is waiting for your call
718-937-6666
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 5, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously the sky is falling
Daily News live should be funny tonight
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is funny
Is what Beningo wears sometimes. Who dresses that guy?
by TBlz on Jun 5, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as Cerrone.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue shirt is worse than a red shirt and red tie with a suit?
I dunno about that
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Omar,
The fan community is excited to haveAlex CoraWilson Valdez — things arebadblue!
I’d rather have Valdez than Cora at SS, especially when you have a groundball pitcher on the mound.
by Michkin on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James, you are right
It’s only June…and hopefully Carlos and Jose will come back at some point.
There really is no need to panic right now and sell the farm…even with all of the injuries…it could be a lot worse.
Sure the Phils are playing pretty well now, but they are bound to come back a little bit, especially with their rotation. I think the best thing would be to wait until the ASB to evaluate everything and then make the proper moves.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, don't make any serious changes
And keep falling in the standings and losing games to the PIRATES. The Mets now need two players if they want to make a half way decent run. They need a First Baseman (I would be VERY happy with Johnson) and an outfielder. Martinez has been thrown into the fire and it is obvious that he needs more work in the minors, Sheffield cannot play everyday, and who ever else you throw out their stinks, including Tatis.
And I didn’t even start a rant against the Starting Pitching.
If the Phillies get a big time pitcher like Haren, then the NL East race is over.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How are they going to get Dan Haren?
Explain that one to me.
It’s June 5th. There is still a lot of season left.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you at least been enjoying the Stanley Cup Finals?
by TBlz on Jun 5, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've only been able to watch the first two games
In which Detroit won. I am dissapointed that Pitsburgh has won the las two, However, I still fully expect Detroit to win.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it obvious Martinez needs more work in the minors? He's hit pretty well
You just write what comes into your head, don’t you? Without even looking at stats AT ALL?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he is hitting .222
Whoppie!!!!
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a .250 BABIP...
and compared to who else is up here…he’s easily a starter right now…
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
30 plate appearances and you’re already drawing conclusions? 30 plate appearances and it’s “obvious” he needs work? Really?
by BlackOps on Jun 5, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy there squid
he’s baiting you. And it is a tiny sample, but his wOBA is .304. Albeit with a .250 babip, but there isa good chance he does need more work in the minors. Or optimally, would get some. I don’t even know how much i believe guys need to “succeed” or failure in the majors will crush them, but sufice it to say you’d hope, say, church could outperform him at this stage if Church were playing close to career norms.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies GM has made it quite clear that he wants a FRONT of the line guy
Also, PHI has a decent farm system. Youngsters like Jason Donald and Dominic Brown are some of their top prospects.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, so they'll get haren
because they want someone like him, and because they have “youngsters” in their farm system? Sounds about right.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 5, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona would ask for the entire farm system
I just don’t see them making a deal for Haren. Peavy maybe…but then I think they will run into issues with his salary.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy, Haren, Oswalt
and the list goes on. Philadelphia will get one of them. Their GM Amero(or however thats spelt) has said openly that they want an top tier starter.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have said that I want
Either a yahct, a mansion, a Ferrari, or a winning Power Ball ticket. By your logic, I should be very happy soon.
by TBlz on Jun 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta said they wanted offense, and they got McLouth
So, unfortunatley the Baseball world works differently from the real world.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClouth is not Peavy, Haren or Oswalt
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is an upgrade and will help them
He is an all-star and playing in Atlanta should help him out a great deal.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Star because the Pirates needed to send a rep
He will help Atlanta, but he is definitely not a cure all. They still have some holes
Don’t get me wrong, the Mets have plenty of holes too…as do the Phils.
I just don’t think it’s time to sound the alarm yet and sell the farm. The season is far from over.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a nice year last year
And playing in Pittsburgh affected his numbers.
Dont bash McLouth just because the Braves now have him.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't bash him
Just saying that was one of the reasons he was an All Star.
He also is not a cure all for the Braves.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is there any reason to believe that Phi will not make a move to benefit their team?
Phi knows that they are a starter away from a possible repeat. They have the prospects to make such a deal. Other than Hamels, their pitching is mediocre.
Peavy, Oswalt, etc. have been rumored to be out on the open market.
Also, Phi is sitting in first place with a comfortable 4 game lead in the East. They do not neccesarily have to make a move now, However, they will make one before the deadline.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The past two and a half seasons
Should prove that no lead is safe in this division.
by TBlz on Jun 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I just think the Mets cant close the deal out
The Phillies probably will this year
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy has said he wont' pitch for any team in the north east, neither will Oswalt.
They hate yankees as any proud southern boy should and besides they have no trade clauses and it’s up to them. I dont’ see Arizona parting with Haren for anything as he’s their best pitcher and they sold the farm to get him a year and a half ago.
Chillax
by twon8 on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael taylor
he’s not chopped liver either.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they probably will get that start of the line guy
Why wouldn’t they? They have the prospects to get him.
Haren is just one of the MANY good starters out on the open market. Philly will get one of them.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haren's Not on the Market
Arizona has no interest in trading him, they just gave a pretty big package of prospects (better than anything Philly could give them now) to get him before 2008 and he’s signed cheap for the next few years. Plus although a lot of their young hitters are underperforming this year, they are still VERY young.
Peavy won’t go to Philly.
Drayton McClane will NEVER approve an Oswalt trade. NEVER. He’s in love with Roy.
The Phillies have a good bunch of middle-high prospects who are sort of MLB ready (Donald, Marson, Bastardo, etc) but no sure thing #1 (and I don’t think they want to part with Donald or Marson because they both play pretty premium positions and could help the MLB club next year). They are much more likely to get someone who has a few red flags (Penny or Smoltz, Bedard, Cliff Lee) than a true ace like Haren, Peavy or Oswalt (although its debatable whether Peavy or Oswalt are true aces anymore)
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haren was just one of the many names rumored to be out on the marked
Roy Oswalt has been said to be angry with his situation in Houston.
Cliff Lee has pitched well this year and I am Sure Philly would be happy with him.
Peavy probably doesnt want to pitch in Citizens bank park, Nevertheless, It will be a shocker if Philly doesnt get the pitcher their looking for.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will not be a shocker
Haren is NOT available in trade, just becuase Joe Beningo said it doesnt make it true.
Peavy does not want to pitch on the east coast, in that ballpark or in a pressure situation.
Roy Oswalt can hate it in Houston all he wants, the Owner loves him and will not let him be traded. Plus, Houston is notorious for not believing they are out of it and may actually buy at the deadline.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haren is so good it hurts
It might take more to get him than Holliday. If the Phillies miraculously get Haren, we can forget about the NL East.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would
Take more to get him than Holliday because he’s about 4 years younger (Im guessing I didnt look it up).
When I think of what it would take to get Dan Haren, Im even more befuddled by the craptastic haul Minnesota took for Johan.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops
I was thinking Halladay (who also isnt available but the phillies fans have been clamoring about), which is dumb because I even typed Holliday.
It would definitely take more to get Haren over Matt Holliday because he’s signed for next year and a pitcher, the only advantage is not dealing w/ Beane.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHO THE HELL IS JOE BENINGO?
Is he on WFAN, ESPN radio?
I only listened to Mike and the Mad Dog, however, that show is gone and now its only that fatty francesa. Its a 6 hour snooze listening to him.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruben Tejada
You may want to add him to the list of guys you don’t want Omar dealing. Although I believe anybody can be dealt, depends on the deal.
Anyway, Tejada really likes like he is putting it together, although he’ll need to keep it up.
Tejada, at age 19, in AA (Thole for example is 22):
.281/.381/.377 for an ops of .758. His wOBA is .358. Yes, his iso is below .100, barely. WAR is .9. he is supposedly quite good in the field. And, although allegedly not that fast, he is 6/7 stealing bases this year.
His babip is .338. Perhaps not sustainable (but kinda like his pre St. Lucie year).
Fernando martinez at age 19 had a lower wOBA of .346, and an ops of .772. Sure, more power. And a babip of .343, also high (not that out of line with his norm either).
At 19, Josh Thole had a wOBA of .284 in rookie ball.
At 19, Reese Havens had a line of .259/.348/.368 in the SEC.
And Tejada really poured it on in May this year. .309/.374/.415, hitting his first homer and getting the iso above .100. Not only that, from a 10 bb 22 k line in April, he went to 9 bb and 9 k in March.
Sickels gave him a c+ coming into this year, noting his youth and fact he played in St. Lucie in giving him a break, and mentioned the slick glove and ability to control the strike zone.
We are talking about a guy who is performing way above havens or thole at the same age. And, in some ways, he is outperforming Fernando Martinez at the same age in the same league. I mean, a slick fielding shortstop witha higher wOBA at the same age, what would you call that?
Sure, let’s see some more. Maybe the bat gets knocked out of his hands at higher levels. He doesn’t have the power. But thole’s babip is .409, and his iso is “just” .129, not all that much above tejada’s May performance.
And i am not trying to disrespect thole in any way, but to build up tejada. Considering how much everyone is talking about not trading say, Thole for holliday (and it would take more most likely), you’d want to put tejada in that category, to say the least. He has a good chance of being quite a bit more valuable. Imagine his line at 22 years old, thole’s age, at AA.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff
I agree. My (prospect) no trade list looks something like this:
Fartinez, Thole, Holt, Meija, Tejada, probably Havens & Davis (because their value in a trade isn’t in line with my value of them) and of course: Eddie Kunz.
I know this list is lacking Jon Neise, and I like him and think he’ll be a good big league pitcher, but I would be open to trading him in the right deal.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Appreciate that.
No one is no trade. I assume you’d deal Eddie Kunz for Pujols. Or maybe even Thole. :) Aw, Albert is an ancient 29, i know.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell
Aparently Dan Haren is available. Id trade almost anyone (even Fartinez) for him. He’s signed Cheap and awesomely awesome.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would trade him for Haren too
I think you can sign a good OFer a lot easier than signing a stud pitcher
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The list of players I would not include in a trade for Dan Haren:
Johan Santana, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran.
by mets81 on Jun 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um no
Not with Haren’s injury problems; he won’t command nearly that much. Furthermore, Oakland already got a huge hall for him. Other teams will be more wary.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 5, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're confusing Haren with Harden
Dan Haren is on the D-Backs and has pitched atleast 216 innings each season since 2005. Rich Harden is on the Cubs, is almost always injured, and has never pitched as many as 200 innings in a season. Both are awesome pitchers, but with very different durability profiles.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no reason for ARI to trade him
At all.
by metsman07 on Jun 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
That was stupid of me.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Oakland got a haul for Harden not a hall for Haren, though I wouldn’t put it past Wilpon to trade Dan Haren for an Extension to an executive suite.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Oakland didn't get that much for Rich Harden,
unless you count Chad Gaudin as a haul. They got much more for Dan Haren as he has been healthy and able to pitch for the past few years, something not always true of Rich Harden.
by twon8 on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
So Oakland got a hall for Harden and a haul for Haren. Now my transaction history is corrected.
I will not allow the denigration of the life essence
by GenJackRipper on Jun 5, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fav prospects, the guys I really think we should try to keep:
F!, Thole, Havens, Tejada, and maybe Davis.
Holt, Mejia, Niese.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez is hitting .222, ok, what makes you say that I should look at the stats?
THERE ISNT MUCH THERE. He missed Spring Training with nagging injuries, let him adjust himself in the minors. And give it another shot in July or August. Do not let him struggle in the majors and kill his confidence.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has the ego of a superman
I am teasing you. But i’d love to see your stats on the long term effects of ego-crushing early call-ups.
You are Mister Baitfest today, eh?
Martinez got called up because he was dominating AAA. After he healed from the injuries you are so concerned about, he OPS’d 1.041 in MAy. But mostly, he got called up because he is on the 40 and the mets had a huge amount of devastating injuries, absent which we’d all be talking about the Phillies desperation to fend off or keep up with the charging metropolitans.
Just kidding. Kinda. or am i wrong and Philly is missing Jimmy Rollins, Howard etc and the mets have Reyes Delgado, Church, putz, etc. ?
Don’t worry. Jerry has given Fernando 4 more at bats to prove his worth. No pressure on our Nietzchean hero.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You are Mister Baitfest today, eh?"
No, this is his pretty much his routine any time he shows up.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My routine is Telling it like it is
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then
You will acknowledge that the Mets called up martinez because of injuries to their outfielders or other positions and have indicated they intend to send him back shortly if he is not producing in the huge sample they have provided him? Since that is “like it is.” :)
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
telling it like it is like i see it.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop talking to Mr Hockey
and he will quietly go into the night.
by jasondg on Jun 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
please stop feeding the troll, err, Scotty.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grow up
You call me a troll because you do not agree with what I say. What a child you are.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged as obvious trolling.
Can you say “performative contradiction”? I knew you could.
by anonymous on Jun 5, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and also
the American “Mr. Hockey” is Mike Emrick.
by Zwill on Jun 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Thorne would rip Doc Emrick a new one
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
At least scotty seemed to feel some sort of shame for his deeds by the time we were done with him. And at least Centerpede is too thick to even realize he’ getting verbally molested. This one, there is nothing worth engaging for.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is Omar has to make a good risk calculus if he's going to make a move
Since we’re listing our fav prospects, I’d say no one out there is worth F!, Holt, Flores, or Marte. Havens, Tejada, Niese, and maybe Thole should be reserved for a Matt Holliday type player. Gee and Antonini are players that I wouldn’t be heartbroken over losing. I’d trade Kunz and Davis to anyone who still think they’re top-of-the-draft players.
I’d say if they have to trade, fashion the trade around Murphy as a thirdbaseman and throw in Kunz, Davis, and one of Gee or Antonini.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd say Kunz, Murphy, and Davis are the three guys that have the most value that we don't necessarily really need to keep.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kunz has value?
He’s a ROOGY with terrible, ruff control.
by jasondg on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he was hyped.
So other teams probably think he’s a good enough relief prospect to be part of a trade.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, what about Mejia?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see more of him
and for that reason alone, I’d probably hold on.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAVORITE POST EVAR
This is like a dose of the cool, crisp ice-water of rationality on a blazing summer day in the desert of fan stupidity. Sometimes a reminder about the long term is in order, especially when the rest of fandom seems to be reacting exclusively to the last three games. Nice work, and thanks.
by anonymous on Jun 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d been avoiding reading any posts/articles about the Mets today were more than five sentences. I’m glad I picked this one to start with, lol.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Nothing more to say, that is all.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience is not always the best move
Now, if you are advising Omar to stand pat because if he tries to make a trade, he will more than likely be fleeced, you’ve got a point. But simply closing your eyes and saying “remain calm, all is well” isn’t rational either.
Obviously the key is acquiring the right player for the right pieces.
by T Pac on Jun 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the question isn't it
Is there a player out there worth our prospects that won’t completely kill us in the long run?
Would I love to get Matt Holliday? Sure. Would I want to get Holliday for Holt, Havens, F! and Thole and draft picks-thus hurting our chances of having a solid OF, 2B, Pitcher and Catcher of the future? No, I wouldn’t.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
by EMSfan9 on Jun 5, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me really hates pushing this point
But I really think the best answer is Miguel Tejada. Enough overall value to fake Reyes level production until he returns, and enough bat to upgrade over Murphy/Tatis at 1B if/when Reyes does come back. Then if Delgado comes back, you have a good problem to have, trying to find him ABs, plus there’s no longterm commitment and the prospect cost would be marginal. Even if you assume Reyes will be back in a month and Delgado’s done for the year, Tejada could still be about a 2-win upgrade even if you assume his offense tails off a bit, which it might not, considering he’s yet to start hitting for power and has still been quite productive.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
that is not a bad idea at all. The only question is if Houston, who always seem to consider themselves in the hunt, are willing to get rind of a guy they just got two years ago.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
by EMSfan9 on Jun 5, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rid*
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
by EMSfan9 on Jun 5, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would
What this organization should do is scrap this year and go into long-term rebuilding mode, trying to acquire as many prospects as they can for their vets, a la what the O’s have recently done and what the Pirates seem to be doing. Knowing their FO, they probably won’t do that, but even if they want to try and build a competitor for next year, what they should do is free up as much money as they can while holding onto their stars who they can hold onto for a few years. This makes Tejada an idea trade candidate, assuming another team would take on his salary. He’s not going to help them next year, so why not save that money?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another benefit
would be that Omar could deal with Ed Wade. Y’know, as opposed to a real GM.
by jasondg on Jun 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL excellent point
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 5, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire your spirit
I am pretty damn worried thought. Losing Reyes for six to eight weeks. That’s just awful. Haran is not going to be traded that’s nonsense. But if he were, I would be right at the head of the line trying to get him.
by Endys Game on Jun 5, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really wish all those people who griefed Omar about the bullpen on the way to getting his bagels would have reminded him that Adam Dunn was going cheap.
Only way I’d be happy about Carlos Lee would be if he was a complete salary dump and cost nothing in terms of prospects…and even then I’d be wary about taking that much money on for one player.
I wouldnt mind going in to panic mode if the end result was coming back with say:
Cliff Lee, Mark Derosa & Orlando Carbrera which would make a much bigger impact and be worth the prospects it would cost.
Carbrera souldnt cost anything much, and if Lee/Derosa could be had for say: Martinez, Niese, Evans and Kunz I’d be happy.
by Ohpityme on Jun 7, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do that trade, I think. DeRosa isn't really that good.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derosa isnt amazing hes just a very good utility player who is a veteran which I think would be useful due to the abundance of injuries.
The trade would basically boil down to Martinez for Cliff Lee who is a very good number 2 SP who is on a good contract and would go a long way to ending some of the Mets rotation woes, and Niese who figures to be a 4 SP at best for Derosa who could fill in for the abundance of injuries yet still be useful if they should come back.
I think that trade is good for the Mets, its just wether the Indians would be bothered about getting another OF prospect.
Any trade where the Mets get something of substantial value is going to involve Martinez, and how long is the window of this core going to be open for?
Lee solves the biggest problem at a cheap price that should leave room to fill holes in the offseason and strenghten the Mets. Martinez should be a very good player, but hes still only 20 how long is it going to be before he acheives his potential?
Carbrera and Derosa are stop gaps to make a push this season, nothing more.
I’m not happy about having to give Martinez up, but the team has some pretty big holes at a time where they’ll get th best price for their prospects due to teams cutting budgets.
Whatever happens, something needs to be done.
What would you propose?
by Ohpityme on Jun 8, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also advocate the trading for Garret Atkins who could pretty much be had for very little at this point, give him the 1B job see how he performs for the rest of the season if its positive voila the Mets have a 1B to replace Delgado.
Hes been slumping and underperforming for the last 2 seasons but hes still relatively young and I think a change of scenery would benefit him, heck the Rockies would probably throw in Spilbourghs too.
by Ohpityme on Jun 8, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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