Livan saves the day.
by centerpede 101 on Jun 8, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
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Mets 7 Nats O.
The Mets were in big trouble. John Maine had a bad day aganist the Nats on Saturday. They needed a shot in the arm after yesterday game a dayoff would come and then the Phillies are here. The Mets needed to win this game and the fifth starter was pitching today. Well after the game was over Mets 7 Nats 0 all was well again. The reason was Livan Hernandez . He pitched shutout ball for seven innings and helped the Mets take the series from the Nats.
The fifth starter usually doesn't do to well but all Livan has done is win. His record is 5-1 and next to Johan Santana he has been great. When the Mets first signed him even I said please not Livan. I didn't know how much he had left in the tank and could he help this team win. Well I must admit not only has he helped the Mets win,he has plenty in the tank. Livan saved the day yesterday and now the Mets can follow this up by beating the Phillies.
So if the Mets win the division and go far in the playoffs Livan Hernandez will be one of the major reasons, so even I must admit That not only did Livan saved the day. He just might help Johan and save the season.
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Someone, make the inanity stop, please!
by anonymous on Jun 8, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"So if the Mets win the division and go far in the playoffs
… Livan Hernandez will be one of the major reasons"
For realz?
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
by Durelo on Jun 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This might be true
I think there is a “free all-you-can-eat” bonus clause in Livan’s contract if the team makes the playoffs. Livan also gets to choose the restaurant.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means “major” as a proportion of total team weight.
by anonymous on Jun 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight..
“not only did Livan saved the day. He just might help Johan and save the season.”
Is he saying that Livan will be like Randy Quaid in Independence Day? Saving the day for all humans. That would be cool.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quaid in Independence Day = Livan
Greatest analogy ever!
by meigs1414 on Jun 8, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks. im pretty proud of it myself. I love that movie.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 8, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you either love or hate that movie
because they constantly play it on TBS/TNT/FX so you either avoid it like the plague or have it memorized.
by meigs1414 on Jun 8, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it the day it came out
My father saw it a week later and said “I have never cheered for death of a billion beings so loud.” I agreed with him. Screw those aliens.
Also, the dude who saluted Bill Pullman after his speech cracks me up every time.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 9, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean Livan's going on a suicide mission?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jun 9, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I don’t know what the metaphor is exactly. Is the alien mothership a Ponderosa all-you-can-eat dinner buffet?
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is high on Livan
He’s been pitching well. He fields his position great and is not too shabby with the bat.
BUT
If you look at his splits the last couple years June and July have been the months where he starts to falter
2006-2008
June 6.73 ERA op B.A. .351.
July 6.36 ERA op BA .331
Career wise he has had much more success in the summer months than these numbers suggest, but that was a younger, better stuff Livan.
I’m loving Livan out there for us, but realistically he will probably come back to earth over the summer and relying on him for to much longer may get us into trouble.
by Delgado on Jun 8, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What does it say
When you are the only one to take this seriously. Are you and c1o1 pals?
By the way, you guys dont ever change. I love this stuff on Mondays. I really gets me through an otherwise shitty day. Thanks, fellas!
by TBlz on Jun 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does it say
When you try to make jokes about people on a blog? Low self esteem, insecure, oedipus complex, or maybe just work sucks.
by Delgado on Jun 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course
Work sucks. But I am surprised your were able to infer from my post that I covet my mother. You’re a psychic as well as a sabermatrician.
by TBlz on Jun 8, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The credit isn't mine
I consulted the almighty magic eight ball
by Delgado on Jun 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also use the 8-ball
To form opinions about baseball, predict outcomes of games, figure out who to trade for, and to determine who’s mother to copulate with, outcome doubtful.
by Delgado on Jun 8, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
The 8-Ball has an “Obsessed with his mother” answer? Mother of Christ!
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It even has
Steve Phillips is a douche-licker.
by Delgado on Jun 9, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one fascinated by Centerpede's favorites?
New York Mets
Los Angeles Lakers
New York Giants
North Carolina Tar Heels
Tiger Woods
Venus /Serenaq Williams
LA Sparks
New York Rangers
by Zwill on Jun 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What
You’re not a Serenaq Williams fan?
by mets81 on Jun 8, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Serenaq
Black and Tan, IPA, chocolate stout
delicious.
by Delgado on Jun 8, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm, beeeeeerrrr!
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!
by R_Adragna on Jun 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apperently Livan only pitches well agains the Nationals
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ahem
http://www.pinstripealley.com/2009/6/5/900324/yankee-fans-i-need-your-approval-i
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice catch
I guess logic and reason are too much for him to digest when it comes to baseball.
One of his finer moments here, for posterity. So long, Mr. Hockey!
by TBlz on Jun 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a gigantic set of balls to posts here after writing that nonsensical shit.
No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.
by sireric on Jun 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gigantic set of balls, which I have
Also a giant brain.
Looks like Jermaine Dye hit another homerun last night.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A giant brain wouldn't flamboyently flaunt his traitorism on multiple occassins...
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that gigantic brain of yours is unable to pick a team to root for. Yankee fans my be douche bags, but at least most of them stick to there overpriced team of prima-donnas rather then jump ship after a bump in the road or two.
No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.
by sireric on Jun 9, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like the benedict arnold mr hockey
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 8, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry but I am embarressed by many Mets fans and the organization.
Once Mike Piazza left so did I. The Team has no heart.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Piazza left 4 years ago
why are you still here?
by cjmulrain on Jun 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you here, you tool?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it obvious?
Flamebait trolling and general look-at-me idiocy are powerful motivators for some posters. I really sincerely think Eric needs to get a lot more free-swinging with the banhammer — or at least start warning the repeat offenders who post dumb, contentless, and/or obviously trollish crap — lest the blog’s gunwales sink below the crapflood. Fine with me if The All-Kazakhstan Champion Mr. Curling can be first up against the wall.
by anonymous on Jun 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
if I saw that in a hardware store, I’d buy it.
by Zwill on Jun 10, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
paint a shamrock on it
and call IT the irish hammer
by wobatus on Jun 10, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're dead to me
Sam, rec’d for the find
by Sokojoe on Jun 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Eric's comment on the post is the shit
by Sokojoe on Jun 8, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
That’s some real good work, both Sam and Eric.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this series
Can’t wait for the next installment!
by Eric Simon on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that last paragraph is a work of art
lets just look at it again and admire.
So if the Mets win the division and go far in the playoffs Livan Hernandez will be one of the major reasons, so even I must admit That not only did Livan saved the day. He just might help Johan and save the season.
this is some avant garde shit right there.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
centerpede 101 is like the late 60’s John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman of Amazing Avenue
by Endys Game on Jun 8, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost as good
is this (again, i cribbed this from neyer, who linked to it yesterday):
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/6/5/900041/yuniesky-betancourt-scouting
by wobatus on Jun 9, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 9, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda liked
The urban dictionary in the comment section as well. If only they could work in the Camden Fakeout.
by wobatus on Jun 9, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally still can't get over the name "centerpede" myself.
And the mysterious “101” after it.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is 101's Fallout 3 reference
Vault 101 anyone? Probably a die hard fan, who never played either of the two games that were awesome because of content and not magnitude.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then how does that mesh with Centerpede?
I don’t recall any centerpedes in the Capital Wasteland….
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 9, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I sensing a dig on Fallout 3?
I liked all three, actually. I just bought Fallout 3 this weekend, because I thought it was still a good investment what with all the DLC nonsense.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played them all
3 was good, there’s a “life simulation” mission that’s awesome and was probably the highlight of the game for me. But the enemies, terrian, NPCs started getting a bit repeative, though blowing a dudes leg off in slow mo never got repeative.
by Sokojoe on Jun 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
I really like the whole atmosphere, how they designed everything to feel like the post-apocalyptic wasteland, but I agree, I was kinda hoping for some more vegetation.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
Fallout 3 is awesome. The scope of the game is mind boggling, and its a tremendous achievement and potentially a huge watermark on the timeline of gaming. But at the same time, as a huge Fallout nerd from the mid-90s, it definitely lacked some of the flavor that made the originals great. It seemed like they tried almost too hard to grey the ethics of the game. In the originals, if you did something stupid or evil or even good or helpful, it would have a direct consequence in the game, like an important character would die and you’d have to get lucky or find some weird backdoor to complete your missions. Example: In Fallout 2, a slightly shady NPC gives you a quest to deliver a brief case to a mob boss for doing something illegal. You have the option of trying to blackmail him into giving you a larger reward. If you do so, he will refuse, but allow you to proceed with the quest anyway. But when you deliver the brief case, now there is a note included telling the mob boss to gun you down after the delivery, and that you weren’t to be trusted, and unless you were a ridiculously high level, you were screwed. In this one, it pretty much just shifts your discrete Karma meter, which whether or not you can see it, is a discrete meter. Sweet, I got an awesome title for giving beggars money and doing helpful things. Plus, the NPCs were flat. I’d rather one awesome character at the Brotherhood of Steel than 20 different named Scribe NPCs. A lot of the quests felt uninspired and the tactical elements of combat were watered down (though the latter here was probably somewhat unavoidable).
Honestly, I’m super excited for New Vegas. Obsidian, the company that the development was licensed to, is essentially 80% former Black Isle employees, the now defunct developer responsible for the first two Fallouts. Supposedly, the engine will be the same, but if a return to the West Coast locale is any indicator that Obsidian is being given creative freedom, they’ll have a chance to mix all the great things Bethesda did with all the great things Black Isle did back in the day.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fallout 3 is the shizzle
and admittedly, I’ve never played the first 2 either.
by cjmulrain on Jun 9, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can stand slow moving games and crappy isometric style graphics
They’re worth playing. Its tough now, lol, I’ll freely admit that. I tried to play through them again to prime myself for Fallout 3’s release, and at times it was a bit grueling. But there’s a level of atmosphere in them that definitely gets missed in the new one. The humor is much sharper, the main story quite a bit longer (and makes quite a bit more sense). Its blend of sci-fi RPG and satire is more seamless. And the tactical combat makes the V.A.T.S. in Fallout 3 seem almost like a gimmick to satisfy old-school fans like me, though it is pretty awesome in F3.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fallout
I do love the original games. Honestly, I don’t connect FO3 with the original games too much as the tone is very different in many respects. As a game itself, I LOVE FO3. At the same time, I was a huge fan of Morrowind and Oblivion and, in many ways, consider this more a sequel to those games (in a different world, obviously).
I’ve played the Alaska and Pittsburgh expansions and I’m just starting the new one. Seems very buggy so far though.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 10, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firstly, How am I trolling around?
Am I considered a troll because I dont agree with the majority. Give me a break, and this is why Im so embarressed by Met fans. The only thing I ever posted was that the Mets should get an outfielder like Jermaine Dye. How is that trolling around? Should I post how great Daniel Murphy or Angel Pagan is?!?
As for squid92. Im not the tool, you are. I dont agree with everything the Mets say, which you do. So grow a pair.
As for metsfan07. No he is retired. My point is that the Todd Ziele and Edgardo Alfonzo players are gone. Players who played hard every night. Now the teams filled with guys like Reyes who jump around like fools making a joke out of themselves. And im sick of it. Win something before you show up an opponent like that. Papelbon can jump like a bafoon as long as he keeps winning World Titles.(Even so I still think its childish) I cant say I love the team anymore like I had in the 70s through about 2004.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear The Swiss Mr. Jai-Alai,
You almost had me — for a minute this seemed like a marginally good-faith post, if still ill-mannered. But then you said “Todd Zeile” (misspelled, too!) and my credulity was strained past the breaking point.
Please go away now.
by anonymous on Jun 9, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See the thing is, we have these things here
They’re called facts. We like them. They’re much better than regurgitated media talking points about how one of the best players in the game at his position is a loser because he’s a little hyperactive on the bench. We don’t take kindly to that kind of thing.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little hyperactive is an understatement
he can jump around on the field when he wins a world series. Until then tone it down. He may have talent but his baseball IQ is seriously perplexed. NOW thats a fact.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No its not a fact at all
Do you have some sort of Baseball IQ test results on Jose? That’s the opposite of a fact, its a judgment, and a poor one.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And regardless
If you ran a team of 13 Jose Reyeses and an average pitching staff, I’d take that team over any current MLB team. You can’t blame one single player when 25 fail. Reyes has been worth as many wins as any SS in the game in each of the last three years. Who cares if he’s hyperactive? Its his personality. Just like Jimmy Rollins personality is one of exaltation and hypocrisy, doing things like mimicking Ricky Henderson’s slow HR trot. THAT is showmanship. What Reyes has is just A.D.D. But obviously, because Jimmy’s got a ring on his finger, I guess he’s automatically a better player.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go away. You would do badly in a court case.
Because what you just stated is defined under the law as “an opinion”. You are allowed to share them respectfully, unlike the douchey way you’re going about right now.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Jimmy is a former MVP
so give him credit there. Jimmy has stolen 35-40+ bases numerous times. Which is a good number, is it 60 no. However does Reyes have Rollins power? no. Jimmy Rollins gets the edge defensivley too. Reyes is a good fielder, but Rollins is better.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me?
Jose Reyes has considerably better power than Jimmy did when he was 26. Plus he steals more bases. Plus he gets on base at a better clip. And don’t mind me if I don’t give Jimmy Credit for winning a BBWAA award on the back of a Joe Morgan propaganda campaign. There were at least two or three players more deserving of that award in 2007, and one of them played on the Mets, and wasn’t Jose Reyes.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were talking right now, not when Jimmy was 26
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The same one who is hitting like .220?
It would behoove you, when comparing two players of different ages, too look at their career paths and development. Jose Reyes is 26 right now. He has more power than Jimmy did when he was 26. In 2007, Jimmy Rollins was 29 when he won the MVP. Where do you think Reyes will be when he’s 29? Reyes clearly has a head start on Jimmy to this point. So if Jose Reyes wins an MVP in 2011 and the Mets win the World Series in 2012, would Jose all of a sudden be a good player because he’s earned some hardware? Will he be a worse player until that happens? What happens if the Mets win a World Series and Reyes has a terrible year? Does that earn Jose a pass on the antics because 24 other guys picked him up?
Also, use the reply button unless you want to draw more ire from posters here than you already do.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats all hypothetical
Let him first win an MVP and A WS. Anything can happen. As for the .220, give me a break. Its the first week of June. Rollins will be fine.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could honestly care less if Jose ever won an MVP
The BBWAA is a bunch of overpaid, underintelligent failed jocks.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reply button takes too much time to load
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you on like a 56k modem or something?
And give you a break? Even if Jimmy has a good second half, he’ll probably wind up at like .280 / .330 / .400.
Wait, you don’t know stats aside from batting average. Snap, my bad, I forgot. Why am I talking to you again?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you think your right will all the numbers you say
Adam Dunn has a nice OBP however is that telling the whole story. I watch the games and decifer my decisions on that.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what else is stats
Team wins and losses. They are built from all these little things that happen in the game, from which we derive other stats, which can help us evaluate a players usefulness, and in some cases, even make predictions about their future usefulness. You know what team uses lots and lots of stats? Your precious Papelboner Red Sox. It wasn’t Papelbon who “earned the right” to do fist pumps. It was Bill James.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 9, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn sucks
guys who get on base 9 times out of 20 and hit 40 HRs a year should go back to the farm. Give me more Jimmy Rollins’.
by cjmulrain on Jun 9, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he IS right with the numbers.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Adam Dunn, btw, is awesome at baseball.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 9, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome at hitting homeruns
Other than homers and walks he’s useless.
I cant believe you think hes awesome. HA!
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the reply button took too long to load?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 9, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fixed it
You seem to have an enfatuation with everything i type.
And as for Dunn, he is absolutley putrid on defense. Dunn will get you homers and walks. Along with a WHOLE lot of punchouts.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
enfatuation?
does that mean everything you type makes me fatter? Because that’s true.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 9, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
infatuation
opps one spelling mishap. I hope that what I type makes you fatter, it will give you some meat on your bones and hopefully your ideas.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also please, everyone, study this:
Other than homers and walks he’s useless.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought he would say.
“But, but, he strikes out a lot and isn’t good at defense! Therefore, he should be a PH that ONLY comes up in HR or walk situations!!! Because he’s useless!!!!!”
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 10, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
Adam Dunn definitely has some nice wOBAs, but .399, .383 and .401 in ‘07, ’08 and ’09, good as they are, must be compared to other left fielders. His fielding is awful (then again so is this year’s stuf lf, ibanez, who has leapt to major positive uzr somehow, i guess in Citizen’s bandbox).
You got Crawford out there, usually way behind in wOBA, not this year and a far better fielder. Braun, great hitter/butcher, carlos lee, not quite the wOBA, but not as mucha butcher, Soriano, homers and no walks, but actually not an awful lf, Jay Bay, manny, etc. You are supposed to slug out there, and Dunn does, but the slob aint’ astronomical with the low average at times AND his fielding is, as aforesaid…
Understanding the anger at American Mr. Hockey, but so, he doesn’t like Reyes antics. That rubs a lot of people wrong.
I don’t mind it. And Reyes IS a good player. He could stand to get even better, good as he is.
His fielding, small sample, did regress. His uzr last year was 0. this year this far minus 1.4. Rollins in 2007/08 and 09? 6.6, 12.8, 2.9.
Reyes is outhitting Rollins this year. in 2007, though, the wOBA was .378 Rollins, .346 reyes. Last year .357 Rollins, .366 reyes. Yeah, overall, last few years, reyes, and he is younger, but Rollins was a fine player last few years, and if you averaged out last 2, maybe better (I know certain WAR stats would say no, Reyes 5.6 and 5.6 in 2007 and 2008, Rllins 6.8 and 3.9).
Hanley ramirez, much better hitter. .411, .405 and .398 wOBAs last 3 years. And not the butcher he was in the field. -.7 last year, =1.2 this year.
Old man Jeter. uzr -.5 last year. +1.5 this year. wOBA .377 this year. he has played better this year.
Yunel Escobar, .352 this year, -1.2 uzr, both slightly ahead of reyes. not suggesting I’d take either one. Ryan Theriot even, better uzr last year and this year, wOBA same this year.
Cristen Guzman, bit of a butcher, better wOBA at .350 this year (he really became a somewhat decent hitting ss). Adrsubal cabrera, 1.7 uzr, .362 wOBA this year.
Yeah, Reyes is hurt. yes he is young. very exciting player. very good over last 3 years. he Ramirez and Rollins all in same division. makes for fun comparisons.
Go back and look at Allan trammell’s wOBA in ‘83-’87, Ripken around that time, Yount in the early ’80s. Now those were some mashing shortstops some years. And anecdotally, some good fielding, some gold gloves in there.
I like reyes. I still wish he was better. I know it doesn’t mean much, but i like it when guys make the smart play, take out the guy at second like Rollins last night. i have seen Jose do that. he sometimes spaces. He more than makes up for it, but he could definitely improve, and if healthy he likely will.
But if his personality bothers someone, let it go.
I am always wanting any player to try to improve some aspect of his game. That reyes is a very good player, sometimes great, no doubt. Everyone has something to improve.
by wobatus on Jun 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also The American Mr.Hockey's last comment before this one:
Crosby went to Harvey Milk High School
Thats why hes always diving. He likes to be on his knees around other guys
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 9, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was made on a hockey forum
Your point?
BTW, its true. Im not sure if you watch hockey, so you probably do not understand where I am coming from.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it
Sidney the Kidney likes to dive and draw phantom penalties. And you’re saying that he’s doing it because he’s really a homosexual and wants to be closer to other men’s privates. And this is ironic and funny because he went to a high school that is named after a famous gay man, which in turn made him want to grow up to be a famous gay man also. I get it.
by Zwill on Jun 10, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow you got the joke
Good man
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 10, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nashville Predators eh?
Ouch.
Other than Pekka Rinne and Shea Weber theres not much to look forward to.
Trotz is a good coach though.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 9, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You really need to grow up
What I stated is the truth about The Nashville Predators.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 10, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Jason Arnott sucks
You really don’t know anything about anything, do you?
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Arnott?!? Are you kidding me
Arnott is a nice player, however he is nowhere near a superstar.
Arnott had a nice run with NJ EDM among others. However, last year in the playoffs against Detroit he absolutley disappered.
Pekka Rinne and Shea Weber are the two bright spots for NSH.
Rinne’s numbers are comprable to Mason’s and other top teir goalies, however Rinne does not get the recognition due to him playing in Nashville.
Weber is a solid defender with a cannon for a shot.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shea Weber is no super star
He’s younger than Arnott but he’s not as good as Arnott yet.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 11, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shea Weber is one of the NHL's best young defensmen
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Marc Staal
But neither is that great yet. Will they be good in the future? Probably. Right now? No, sorry.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shea Weber is better than Marc Staal
Shea Weber and Duncan Keith are two of the best young defenders in the NHL.
I stated that he is a bright spot for the Predators, and this is true.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhh, don't feed the troll.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 11, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that I would call him a troll. More like a guy has a serious problem. He apparently doesn’t like his favorite team or any of the players on that team.
No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.
by sireric on Jun 11, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I secretly think he's a Flyers/Phillies fan.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 11, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why because I disagree with my organizations
You all need to grow up. Im not going to sugarcoat anything, if I see something that my teams do that I do not agree with than I say something
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I see something that my teams do that I do not agree with than I say something
Is that what you did though? What you did was the equivalent of walking into a room full of Mets fans and saying, “Hey I used to be just like you, but now I hate the team you root for and all of the players on the team, save John Maine. Oh, and hey you know that other New York team that most of you despise, I going to cheer for them now.”
What did you expect most of us to say to that? “Come on in and lets talk baseball.” or “Yeah, well don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.” I’m sure most around here are saying the later. Disagreeing with this organization is something that comes with the territory for Mets fans. Mainly because they do dumb shit on a daily basis. We stick with the team despite their short comings because we cheer for the organization, we don’t bail on them.
I don’t think you are a troll as others have called you, and some of what you say I agree with, like not blindly following stats to run your team. I think the manager has to follow his gut and go against the grain every now and then. When Willie used Cliff Floyd to pinch hit in the ‘06 NLCS and let him swing away rather then bunt, I thought it was the right call even though Uncle Cliffy struck out. That said Jerry Manuel is a dope with the dumb stuff he does on a per game basis. Jerry’s piss poor coaching isn’t going to drive me to cheer for the Yankees however. And there in lies your issue. You will get nothing but a cold shoulder around here no matter how anything you write makes sense, because you will always be the guy who thinks he is too good for the Mets and by extension us as fans. Sorry, that is just the impression I get.
No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.
by sireric on Jun 11, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your answer
Let me just clarify something, Im not a Yankee fan. I did that because some goof made a comment stating that I should go to the Yankees blog. So I did, becuase I know he would see it.
Its just hard for me to root for players that I cant aligne myself with. I could care less about the Wins and losses, i just want a team that I can enjoy watching. Something is missing from this Mets team, I cant put my finger on it.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying but watching guys like Pelfry, Johan, and Wright is enough for me. I can enjoy watching these guys play. Some of the others…not so much.
No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.
by sireric on Jun 11, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i really like waching santana, and see pelf improving bit by bit. I also like watching Pelfry interviewed. But I love watching Reyes hit a triple too. Wright scorch one in the gap, Beltran track one down.
Ya know what I hate? Sheffield’s bat wiggling. Just annoys me. No real reason. I keep thinking calm that down. Sheesh. He has always done it and hit well enough for years doing it, so means nothing.
by wobatus on Jun 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must have been born in 1992
because you act like your 17
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I don't troll?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 11, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you act like a child
You call me troll simply because you do not agree with what I say.
That is childish, but whatelse can I expect from a 17 year old.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I called you a troll because you were acting like one.
But to be fair, you aren’t really acting like a troll. What you ARE doing is being a fairweather fan. That might be worse.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personal attack ban
From a 17 year old you should learn not to expect anything.
by BlackOps on Jun 12, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did we decide I'm 17, haha?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may not be a troll
But your arguments are laden with baseless accusations and judgments. You’ve called me an organizational apologist a number of times. Typically, I don’t even bother responding to this because its such a joke. I’ve done fanposts about how dumb I think Jerry is. I’ve repeatedly called Omar one of the worst problem solvers in a professional sports FO. You also say things about Jose Reyes’s “Baseball IQ,” and criticize statistics you don’t even understand. I’m one of the more middle-of-the-road stat guys here. But when people start throwing judgments around with no real inferential basis, I’ll be the first to throw it back in their face with a quick fact check on fangraphs or something. If you can create a baseball IQ test and somehow administer it to Jose, or even some sort of vague criteria that you can apply to Reyes’s specific behavior, maybe I’ll give you some creativity points. But statements like this are just pseudo-clever talking points, not actual arguments.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 11, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
How’s the Mets outfield holding up eh?
Not too good. Sheff’s tired, Church is on and off.
Jose Reyes plays with a lackadasical demeanor at times. This is undeniable.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Did you even READ what I wrote?
Dude, I’m not a fan of the Mets FO. I don’t know where you came up with this fallacy ad hominem about me, but not only is it a logical fallacy to use it as an argument against me, but its not even true!
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 11, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i gotta say
reyes does run into outs foolishly, or not run, or swing from his heels at times when he gets into a schneid. Lots of guys brain lock and make mistakes. But I do agree he doesn’t play smart at times.
He is talented as all get out, no doubt and overall his stat line is good. He could be better. Mets have got much bigger problems than his occasional space out.
Don’t know why, but I have seen few teams make this many base running gaffes. I know that doesn’t sit well with a lot of people, because Jerry’s f ups, Omar’s failure to surround the core with mere replacement level guys, etc., are more egregious. Nevertheless. Like chicken soup in reverse, the screw ups on the base paths don’t help. I can’t even watch every game and there are so many that I have seen, Church missing third, wright thrown out at third (a few in that game), reyes at third, or not running, fmart not running, carlos not sliding, sheff, reyes not running one out, castillo running back on emil brown’s hit.
Yeah they have only 2 good hitters right now. All the more reason the vapor lock is inexcusable. And every team f’s up. These guys no doubt to me have a special knack.
by wobatus on Jun 11, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I HAVE seen more than a few teams make baserunning mistakes.
And wobatus, I sorta hate to choose you here, but you can’t really say you see few teams do that, because you only watch the Mets on a regular basis. So how can you honestly make that judgment?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here I go with some stats again
BP has a good set of team baserunning stats. According to them, the Mets have actually been about +3.09 EqBRR (Equivalent Base Running Runs) above average so far this season. That’s good for seventh in baseball and fourth in the NL.
They even break it down into different types of Base Running Runs. For example, in the Mets case, this apparent strength is most prominently derived from their EqSBR (Equivalent Stolen Base Runs), which sits at +2.65. That is good for third in baseball and first in the NL by a ridiculous margin of 1.32 runs over the Pirates.
The problem with the Mets baserunning, however, is this:
They are great at earning runs with SBs and Sac-Flys (EqAAR, Equivalent Air Advancement Run, +1.46 for the Mets). This is a good thing. However, look at EqGBR and EqOAR (Ground Advancement and Out advancement). At 0.01 and 1.80 respectively, this is what Jerry has earned himself with all the bunting. This amounts to very little, especially relative to what he might have earned had he restricted himself from bunting with position players. Those wouldn’t be baserunning runs, they’d be hitting runs. And this brings us to the other problem.
The one area the Mets are negative in is EqHAR (Hit Advancement Runs). This sits at -2.82, 25th in baseball and 14th in the NL. Razor Shines and ill conceived attempts at “taking the extra base” have cost the Mets more runs than they have earned themselves with their basestealing game. So all they have left are sac-flys, and Jerry’s bunting obsession, the latter of which is probably a detriment to overall run production anyway.
However, that’s an indictment of the coaching staff as much as the players, since sac bunting and EqHAR have a decent amount to do with Jerry and Shines. As far as the actual quality of the baserunners themselves, they seem to do a pretty good job.
See Mr. Hockey, just for you. I used stats to describe how the Mets baserunning has been good, but also flawed, and criticized the coaching staff in the process.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 12, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PERFECT.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I was wrong about one thing. EqOAR is actually Other Advancmenet Runs, so its things like wild pitches and earning balks and such, not Outs Advancement Runs.
Still, this doesn’t change the point really at all.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 12, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have watched the Mets
over 40 years, Yankees as well, Cubs games, Braves games, games of the week…but it may be I am misrememberin’, early alzheimers onset. I didn’t say, however, I never see teams make mistakes. I specifically wrote “I have seen FEW teams make THIS many” emphasis added, and later “every team f’s up.” I am talking about the frequency.
I watched nearly every game of ’73, ’86, ’88, ’00, ’01, trust me, as time goes on it gets worse, but that is true of all teams. Almost no one styled a homer in the ’70s, or what turned into a long single.
But I don’t get the fascination with saying they don’t do it. Catsmeat said something about being at one of the DC games and being a little like whoa (I forget the exact quotation) with the running gaffes to 3rd there. Not that he harped on it. It is true, every team makes mistakes.
But, there are sins of omission and sins of commission, largely, these have been the latter, at least insofar as things like trying to take an extra base, and even the omissions, Churchie not touching third, Fernando not running a pop up, Jose not busting out on a fly, seemed more like a bit of mental freeze than laziness. Shit happens, brief moments in an intense physical situation.
Anyway, you’ll have to believe me, or not. I don’t have stats for how many times players didn’t bust it in ‘73, or how many times they didn’t just get thrown out, but got thrown out by a mile. I do know Marv Throneberry made some egregious baserunning gaffes (before my time), that Cleon Jones got shown up by Hodges for lazing after a ball in the outfield, and I saw players get nailed many times.
And Meddler has some stats below that address this stuff far more concretely. Although it is hard to fault Shines for stuff like getting tossed out trying for third, as he has little to do with runners rounding second. But yeah, plays at the plate. And there aren’t stats in there for not busting it outta the box either (and I acknowledge that problem isn’t as much a problem anymore).
And the Mets lead the league in HOBAR (Home Runs on Balls Reviewed), which I am sure has something to do with their respectful umpire demeanor. :)
Anyway, don’t get me wrong, I am not the type to suggest trading wright, reyes or beltran for the mere change of atmosphere.
by wobatus on Jun 12, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya know what
that was a waste of time. F’it. The sainted yankees dropped flyballs and made baserunning gaffes last night. bring on those losers.
Well, we know one thing, one of these two teams will miraculously come out of this series suddenly with the Big Mo, or cured of their lack of moxie, what have you, in the everchanging tabloid assessment.
I will look at it this way, the Mets battled to some close calls against the Phils. And no matter what larry brooks says, 8 guys on the dl is a valid excuse, although doing that and having Jerry manage with one brain tied behind his back is a bit much of a handicap.
by wobatus on Jun 12, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"having Jerry manage with one brain tied behind his back is a bit much of a handicap."
Heh. +1
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 12, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pickin up what you're layin down
I just don’t like criticizing guys who for something they’ve been recognized as among the best in the biz at, which is pretty much Reyes and Beltran and baserunning. I get the laziness argument, its certainly relevant, and I think the EqHAR dip is a result of both this fact and the over-aggressiveness of some other players (Wright, Murphy getting thrown out at third). This is on the players, and I shouldn’t make excuses for them. But I also do think its on the coaching staff, especially if its a team-wide issue. There’s plenty to like about what this team is capable of and what they do on the basepaths, but they could probably be much better than they are.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Jun 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, here I go with another example.
Today, I was watching the Cubs-Twins game, and Milton Bradley threw the ball into the stands with one out remaining, costing his team a run and moving a runner from 1st to 3rd. It isn’t a baserunning mistake, but it’s important for us fans to try to remember that our team isn’t the only one that makes mistakes.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I don't abandon my teams at the first sight of trouble
did the Yankees fans ever get back to you?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jun 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont abandon my teams, the NY Rangers are hardly a winning organization
However, they have built a team that I can have favorable feelings towards. Lundvist, Callahan, and others are players that I have attached on to. The NYR also play with a visable passion for the game.
I cant say the same with the Mets. I simply do no have players whom which I actually like, so its hard for me to root for a team with players I could care less about(Other than Maine, I like him). Also the front office has angered me enough througout the years. Im not a Yankee fan and I never could be, I simply dislike them too much. Their front running fans and Michael Kay will drive me ballistic.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jun 11, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, uh, explain your post asking to be a Yankee fan?...
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 11, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 10, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Centerpede’s post got over a hundred hits. I think you guys need to put his blog on the front page.
by Delgado on Jun 10, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
centerpede deserves better comments tho
it is a shame that after all the effort he put into his post that we cant rise up a troll feeding shouting match.
centerpede is the best.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nooooooooooo,
Ken you were comment 102. I thought we were trying to give this post 101 comments to signify its greatness. But, now we blew it. I hope you’re happy.
by meigs1414 on Jun 10, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
of course, now the only solution is to keep going till we get to 202
by cjmulrain on Jun 10, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh, I don't know if I have the patience for that
unless there’s another troll war a-coming…
by meigs1414 on Jun 10, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
signs point to yes
But even if The Kenyan Mr. Water Polo continues on this vigorous pace and remains unbanned, let me say right now, I don’t have the patience to go for 1oo1 posts.
by anonymous on Jun 10, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually pay money to spend a day with centerpede.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The site bot has developed a sense of humor
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by James Kannengieser on Jun 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 10, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the most commented on non-game thread in AA history is
I hope this one is getting close, whatever it is.
by cjmulrain on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it the one with the Torino "interference" call?
Where it was people bashing the rule? i think that broke 200.
by meigs1414 on Jun 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was an absurd thread
297 comments! Most of them were like this:
Dude 1: “I was an umpire, and the rule book says Torino’s play was clean”
Dude 2: “I was an umpire, and the rule book says Torino’s play was illegal”
Dude 1: “no”
Dude 2: “yes”
Dude 1: “no”
Dude 2: “yes, and I can do this all night”
Dude 1: “so can I”
and so on
by James Kannengieser on Jun 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question wasn't even whether it was legal.
We said it was bush league, which is basically impossible to argue.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scotty was a little over 200.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jun 12, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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