Instant Opinions Of The Jeff Francoeur Trade From The Best In The Business
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 PM EDT
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The trade didn't really set in until I tagged Francoeur to this post and saw him listed as "Francoeur (RF - NYM)".
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Francoeur was ejected for the first time in his career on July 16, 2006. Coincidentally, he was ejected for the second time on July 16, 2007.
"The difference, pure and simple, is Jeter. ... The Mets don't just lack a leader; they lack a Jeter." - Wallace Matthews, Newsday
by hotspur on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What?!
Just arrived on the site and saw this post.
I’m shell shocked and don’t know why. This is not a blockbuster trade or have a distinct advantage. It’s like a push in blackjack.
by cuseindahuse on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s like the dealer (Braves) is showing 15, you (Mets) have 20, and you hit anyway.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the commenters on the Braves blog are thrilled
Frenchy was a huge anchor (in a BAD way) on their lineup.
He is made out 5 out of every 7 times at the plate.
"The difference, pure and simple, is Jeter. ... The Mets don't just lack a leader; they lack a Jeter." - Wallace Matthews, Newsday
by hotspur on Jul 10, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming back to senses after reading Neyer's column
Maybe I took a drink of Omar’s kool aid. This is a head scratch if the best explanation is the injury bug.
by cuseindahuse on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar likes to live dangerously.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 11, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Never had high hopes on Church or saw rising star potential.
by cuseindahuse on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, no rising star potential
but I’ll take slightly above league average over 162 games per season of terrible terrible offense
by JoshNY on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niether did I
But he was a solid role player that played his role well
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
by EMSfan9 on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that calcaterra guy (a Braves fan) can drop dead
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Jul 10, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Ted Berg
First time reading Ted Berg assuming SNY repressed independent thought and positive criticism. Expecting a puff piece like the other corporate mets blog (can’t make myself say it) and pleasantly surprised by his candor.
Frenchy for Churchy. Is this a sign of the end of the season? Also, what a harsh comment by Omar on Church implying Church is infected with the injury bug.
Good for Church. Rock it out Hotlanta! Check out the nightlife in Smyrna (So Many Young Rednecks in Atlanta) its a hoot and make sure your got the Waffle House order down!
by cuseindahuse on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After the party it's the Waffle House
If you ever been here you know what I’m talkin about
Where people don’t dance all they do is this
And after the original you know what it is
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gentlemen, place your bets
Who finishes the season with a lower OBP, Frenchy or Omir?
I’m so glad we made trades to get these guys in our lineup.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 10, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ten bucks says we trade Niese and Tejada for Chris Davis.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 10, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
is 23 and has less than 600 MLB plate appearances. He could still learn plate discipline.
by JoshNY on Jul 10, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this:
Maybe some team could dig up Tony Batista, make him their first baseman, and then convince Omar to trade Daniel Murphy for him.
by Alex Nelson on Jul 10, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont even joke
"I told him the next time he does that, I’m going to get my blade out and cut him, right on the field. Hey, I’m a gangsta now. You go gangsta on me, I’m gonna have to get you now."
- Jerry Manuel
by dave the rave on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the games will end faster
by Reg Dunlop on Jul 10, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Games will last 2 hours, 15 mins
Breakdown of time:
30 minutes – get to game late due to extended tailgate/drinking in parking lot
45 minutes – wait on line for Shake Shack or some other nonsense
45 seconds – watch Omir Santos plate appearance (2 pitches)
15 seconds – watch Jeff Francoeur plate appearance (1 pitch)
9 minutes – walk to and use bathroom
20 minutes – walk around stadium trying to find Omar’s box to scream FAILCOEUR at him over and over
5 minutes – Pat Misch works 1-2-3 7th; give him standing ovation despite Mets being down 9-0
25 minutes – leave game early to re-commence drinking
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Misch is the reason
I’m still watching.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Jul 11, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this should be added to the links at the top of the page
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/mets_acquired_francoeur/
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Keep them coming as you find them.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only disagree that it was dumber than Dayton Moore's deal
The Mets and Royals both acquired garbage, but the Mets traded an above-average 30-year-old who will never be a star, whereas the Royals (who need prospects to develop) traded two prospects who might develop into stars (or might flame out).
I think the Royals made the worse move, but just barely.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 10, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, but I think it's debating crap vs. shit.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, of course.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
I saw the title and thought this was just a joke. It’s almost like they saw all the jokes about this guy posted here and figured it would stir things up. That would make more sense than expecting some kind of baseball related return, at least.
"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez
by Lance Johnson on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the money-quote from BBTF
Ryan Church is a better baseball player than Jeff Francoeur. Ryan Church is overwhelmingly likely to always be a better player than Jeff Francoeur. I am amazed that Dayton Moore only did the second-dumbest thing today.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 10, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Ryan Church is overwhelmingly likely to always be a better player than Jeff Francoeur"
my eyes are bleeding from truth exposure.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jul 11, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is your General Manager, folks.
Nice to know that things came to frutition
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jul 10, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fast forward to 4:19 also
The freaking idiot trades for a guy and doesn’t even know how long he controls him for.
Makes me glad I live in Phoenix and don’t have to watch SNY. This was 5 of the worst minutes of television I have ever seen.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jul 11, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me
or is he trying to place blame on John Ricco if it doesn’t work out?
It was actually John Ricco’s idea
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Jul 11, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a win-win for OMAH
If Failcoeur dominates, Omar takes credit (Ricco who?). If he blows, which is 99% likely, it’s on Ricco. First rule of any leadership position – always be prepared to throw people under the bus.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 11, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mets fans
I know I’m not that welcome here, but . . . Not sure if anyone heard of, or even cared, seeing as how we’re your division rivals, but a few months ago, I created a t-shirt that has surprisingly been selling quite well with Braves fans as well oddly, fans of other teams, as well as smarmy stat guys, aptly named after our former, and your new right-fielder.
As soon as it’s revealed what Francoeur’s Mets jersey number, I’ll get right to work in re-creating the Mets iteration of the FAILCOEUR shirt that I originally created. Obviously, the goal is to replicate the look, style and typeface of the Mets’ unis, and hopefully there will be enough of you guys who may or may not be interested, or just wish to flame me.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No, no...I'd love one.
Seriously, go forward. We at AA take kindly to nickname shirts.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a Voltron shirt
sadly, I have no motivation to go to Mets games and wear it at the moment
by JoshNY on Jul 11, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please make the shirts asap
We will wear them with pride.
All hail FAILCOEUR.
by Pat Andriola on Jul 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as an FYI
The front of the shirt will remain as this:
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minus the Atlanta "A" emblem, of course
Also, it might benefit you guys if I changed all blues and reds to Mets blues and oranges.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It pains me to say it.
But yes…it would…“benefit”…us.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would really benefit us.
Taking him back with you…you save on labor, we save our sanity. Win, win…
This really is a hilariously wonderful product though. +1 for you.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
by AnthonyR on Jul 11, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good
get ‘em up and running and I’ll be getting one asap
by Pat Andriola on Jul 11, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I work fast.
Here’s a preview of what to expect:
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 11, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sigh...sweet.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
seeing as i laugh uncontrollably every time i read that quote, it doesn’t make me too unhappy.
it’s kind of like “We don’t like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out,” or one of those type of quotes.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jul 11, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't flame you
I’ll rec you.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 11, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that should be noted about Church though
he doesn’t walk much either. Surely more than Frenchy, but he’s no Rickey Henderson.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Jul 11, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I might just stick the dagger a little deeper, while we're all feeling bad...
Adam Dunn’s 2008 walk total (158 games): 122
Jeff Francoeur’s career walk total (631 games): 127
by DonGately on Jul 11, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BLAHFHF:DS:FHDSKL:FHJ:F:JKL:DF
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F my life.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 11, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy plays the game the right way, dammit
why won’t you people learn? ;)
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Jul 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at this way
We’re saving 5 million. Right? RIGHT?
by DonGately on Jul 11, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whenever my friends made fun of how bad the Mets were doing
I would say that, objectively, they were only really starting 3 MLB-caliber position players who deserved their spot. Wright, Castillo (as an 8th hitting 2B he’s been very good) and Church. Now, that number is down to two. Awesome
by njmetfan12 on Jul 11, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Wright!
I’ve always wanted to be a fan of a baseball team who can boast Luis Castillo and his .054 ISO as its only MLB-caliber position player.
This season is starting to feel a lot like 2002, when everything just completely fell apart.
by cjmulrain on Jul 11, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willy Taveras
You know since he’s already in town, I’m sure Omar will be tempted to get Willy as he seems to be collecting the OBS challenged. Good for him! Washington, we’ll be challenging you for the cellar by the end of August.
by jacksonvillesuns on Jul 11, 2009 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar's goin for the opposite of moneyball
get the least amount of players on base as possible!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 11, 2009 2:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and pay through the nose to do it
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the bases are empty
your speed becomes more valuable
duh…
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Jul 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you forgot
the links to Greenberg in the Post and Harper in the Daily News saying it was a good deal.
How do those guys keep their jobs? The premise of their articles is that this is a good trade because, you know, the Mets did SOMETHING. Then they spend the rest of their repsective articles pointing out how bad Failcoeur is. But at least Omar “did something” because that’s all that matters. Not if it’s the right or wrong thing or not.
by blains2000 on Jul 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How did this Rob Neyer guy get billing over me on a list of the best in the business?
No matter, JamesK definitely invited to my stripper/cocaine party when I take the blog public/land auto insurance sponsorship.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jul 11, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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