More grission attacks by columnists who don't cover this team

"The Mets have talented players, but not necessarily winning players. Jose Reyes has a world of talent, but we’re hearing from Mets insiders that he’s not the type who’s going to get back on the field until he’s 100 percent. Same with Carlos Beltran."

Look at the bottom of page 3 and top of page 4. It gets worse.

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wait, hold on

I mean, don’t GK&R say that Reyes shouldn’t get back on the field until he’s 100%?

More to the point, why risk rushing a young star who you want to have on your team for another ten years to get ten more games out of him before he’s really ready to play?

by JoshNY on Jul 12, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions

+1

The failure of this claim is that it completely ignores the fact that relative health health and “winningy-ness” are not unrelated. Its not like Reyes and Beltran are being selfish and consciously putting themselves ahead of the team. They’re doing the thing that is best for both themselves and the team.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 13, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Seeing just that paragraph I have to wonder

How on earth is making sure to be 100% of your conditions so you don’t get injured again not being a winner?

Yeah, Sheff sure is a winner, it’s so gangsta to make your team worse on defense by having a bad knee.

by Clemenx00 on Jul 13, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions

I could be wrong,

but I’m pretty sure Carlos Beltran has NEVER been 100 percent since he’s been with the Mets. He always has knee problems.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 13, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions

This

by Eric Simon on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Reyes already DID try to play before he was 100 percent,

in LA, and that didn’t turn out too well. And I believe he talked about coming back before he was 100 percent even after that, before the Mets finally DL-ed him.

In Rubin’s article he also makes mention of “Mets insiders” thinking Reyes is soft, and beyond the fact that there doesn’t seem to be a basis for that, and that he probably SHOULD wait until he is 100 percent, why are people in the organization whispering these things to reporters?

by Mount17 on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions

Fuck you Nick Cafardo and "anonymous scout"

One theory is that Reyes is best suited for a team like the Red Sox, where he’d be surrounded by players like Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jason Bay, and Jason Varitek, who never want to come out of the lineup.

"He would absolutely shine in Boston,’’ said the scout. "Listen, he’s a great player right where he is, but the climate for him isn’t right. David Wright is a nice player, but he’s not a real tough guy like Youkilis or Pedroia. That’s the type of player [Reyes] needs to get himself around.’’

So after playing, what, 160 games last season you’re saying Jose wants out of the line up, or is that David who doesn’t have the desire to play everyday.

And David isn’t a tough guy? I remember him jumping into the stands in Seattle to catch the ball in 05 or 06. Not Derek Jeter catch the ball run a mile and a half and dive head first so people think I’m gritty diving into the stands, I mean actually and necessarily diving into the stands to catch a ball, but he’s not tough? What would make him tough? Should he play like a lesser players such as Youk and Pedroia? Would that make him tougher. And most fucking importantly, who give a shit if the Mets are tough? Tough=winning? Really? It’s really easy to talk about players when they can’t do anything to shut you up. Reyes has been out for a month and a half and Wright is struggling to get by on a god awful team. Easy to kick em when they’re down ain’t it?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions

Sorry, Boston

your trick didn’t work. Your not getting Jose Reyes or David Wright.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 13, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

they sure are getting the drumbeat rolling though

I’m scared that Omar might do something very, very dumb

by cjmulrain on Jul 13, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions

scared = certain ?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

My father thinks the Mets should trade David Wrong to Boston

His theory is that Wright is too streaky to be a useful player for the Mets in the long term. He thinks we could get Mike Lowell and Jacoby Ellsbury (to play left field) and one of the pitching prospects.

How ridiculous an idea is that even if the prospect is Buchholz? Am I right to have gone “WHAT? That’s ridiculous!” on the grounds that Ellsbury doesn’t have anywhere near the bat to play corner outfield, Lowell is 35 and hasn’t been anything special the last two years, and there’s no guarantee even for top pitching prospects?

I mean, in a down year with no lineup protection, Wright is still OPS+ing 131.

by JoshNY on Jul 13, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, that is absolutely ridiculous

And that’s from the guy who went crazy advocating that Jose Reyes could be available for the right price. Dubs is just too good, to consistent (year to year), and under team control at a reasonable cost, if not incredibly cheap, for a longer time. His price is fixed. The reason you consider trading Reyes is because his price is not fixed. So either, the price goes up dramatically in proportion to his production over the next few years, or it falls for a reason that’s even worse, i.e. injury. Either way, there’s a good chance you missed an opportunity to sort of preemptively recoup some value by taking a few risks on younger, cheaper players.

Plus, screw Lowell.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 13, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

That is

His price is not fixed beyond 2011, and that is when the numbers on his price tag are going to get bigger in proportion to his production during the years leading up to that.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Lowell?

If they paid the rest of his contract, I wouldn’t take him. For Dubs, I would do Lars Anderson, Clay Buchholz, Dustin Pedroia and them taking Slappy and his salary.

In other words, it’s not happening. But hey, Francoeur is a Met so you never know what Omar will think of next.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Lowell

I guess maybe I (31 years old) have a different perspective on the age of a player who’s 35 than my father (63) does.

by JoshNY on Jul 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Could be

When we start calling 35 year old 3rd baseman “kids”, I guess we’ll know

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 13, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

But David Wright's white

doesn’t that make him a winner or a gamer or something. How can Boston columnists bash Wright?

by dtro on Jul 13, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions

160 games

It’s not just last season:

2005: 161 games
2006: 153 games
2007: 160 games
2008: 159 games

Yup, he hates being in the lineup.

"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez

by OSUmets on Jul 13, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah but...

He smiles when he plays. And sometimes WHEN THE TEAM IS BEHIND.

He just doesn’t care!

by DannyMetsGeek on Jul 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

lmao this is too funny

by wrightnumber5 on Jul 13, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions

You say it's too funny now,

but I think we all would’ve said the same thing to an off-the-wall column suggesting a Church for Francoeur a week ago.

by metslaw on Jul 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

That's the scary part.

"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Jul 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions