Mid-Season Filler: The Mets' Most Recent Trade With Each Team

by James Kannengieser on Jul 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT Comment 22 comments

Over the last decade or so, the Mets have made some big trades. Big, as in acquiring superstar players (Mike Piazza, Roberto Alomar, Johan Santana), and big as in big (Mo Vaughn). Successful trades for second-tier players have been scarce during this timeframe, although trades involving throw-ins John Maine and Oliver Perez worked out reasonably well. I saw a post over at Brew Crew Ball, which presented the last trade the Brewers had made with each team. I was curious to see the same for the Mets, and with some help from Baseball-Reference here it is:

(Note: PTBNL = player to be named later)

National League

• Arizona Diamondbacks - 12/12/08
Traded: LHP Scott Schoeneweis
Received: RHP Connor Robertson

• Atlanta Braves - 7/10/09
Traded: OF Ryan Church
Received: OF Jeff Francoeur

• Chicago Cubs - 1/5/08
Traded: OF Corey Coles, RHP Ryan Meyers
Received: OF Angel Pagan

• Cincinnati Reds - 8/20/07
Traded: SS Juan Castro, OF Sean Henry
Received: OF Jeff Conine

• Colorado Rockies - 6/9/06
Traded: IF Kaz Matsui
Received: C Eli Marrero

• Florida Marlins - 11/20/06
Traded: RHP Matt Lindstrom, RHP Henry Owens
Received: LHP Adam Bostick, LHP Jason Vargas

• Houston Astros - 8/27/04
Traded: RHP Dan Wheeler
Received: OF Adam Seuss

• Los Angeles Dodgers - 1/4/06
Traded: LHP Tim Hamulack, RHP Jae Weong Seo
Received: RHP Duaner Sanchez, RHP Steve Schmoll

• Milwaukee Brewers - 11/20/07
Traded: RHP Guillermo Mota
Received: C Johnny Estrada

• Philadelphia Phillies - 7/27/01
Traded: LHP Dennis Cook, RHP Turk Wendell
Received: LHP Bruce Chen, LHP Adam Walker

• Pittsburgh Pirates - 7/31/06
Traded: OF Xavier Nady
Received: RHP Roberto Hernandez, LHP Oliver Perez

• St. Louis Cardinals - 4/4/04
Traded: OF Roger Cedeno
Received: IF Wilson Delgado

• San Diego Padres - 11/15/06
Traded: RHP Heath Bell, LHP Royce Ring
Received: RHP Jon Adkins, OF Ben Johnson

• San Francisco Giants - 12/16/01
Traded: IF Desi Relaford, OF Tsuyoshi Shinjo
Received: LHP Shawn Estes

• Washington Nationals - 8/17/08
Traded: PTBNL - 2B Anderson Hernandez
Received: RHP Luis Ayala

American League

• Baltimore Orioles - 1/22/06
Traded: RHP Kris Benson
Received: RHP Jorge Julio, RHP John Maine

• Boston Red Sox - 1/27/05
Traded: 1B Ian Bladergroen
Received: 1B Doug Mientkiewicz

• Chicago White Sox - 5/29/09
Traded: C Ramon Castro
Received: RHP Lance Broadway

• Cleveland Indians - 5/26/09
Traded: Cash
Received: SS Wilson Valdez

• Detroit Tigers - 4/2/05
Traded: RHP Matt Ginter
Received: LHP Steve Colyer

• Kansas City Royals - 12/6/06
Traded: RHP Brian Bannister
Received: RHP Ambiorix Burgos

• Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim - 12/27/01
Traded: RHP Kevin Appier
Received: 1B Mo Vaughn

• Minnesota Twins - 2/2/08
Traded: RHP Deolis Guerra, OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Philip Humber, RHP Kevin Mulvey
Received: LHP Johan Santana

• New York Yankees - 12/3/04
Traded: LHP Mike Stanton
Received: LHP Felix Heredia

• Oakland Athletics - 12/14/01
Traded: OF David Justice
Received: LHP Mark Guthrie, RHP Tyler Yates

• Seattle Mariners - 12/11/08
Traded: 1B Mike Carp, OF Ezequiel Carrera, OF Endy Chavez, RHP Maikel Cleto, RHP Aaron Heilman, LHP Jason Vargas (to Mariners); RHP Joe Smith (to Indians)
Received: RHP Sean Green, RHP J.J. Putz, OF Jeremy Reed

• Tampa Bay Rays - 7/30/04
Traded: RHP Jose Diaz, LHP Scott Kazmir
Received: RHP Bartolome Fortunato, RHP Victor Zambrano

• Texas Rangers - 8/30/06
Traded: OF Victor Diaz
Received: C Mike Nickeas

• Toronto Blue Jays - 3/22/00
Traded: SS Jersen Perez
Received: RHP Jim Mann

The number of trades with the Florida Marlins stuck out when compiling this list, as Carlos Delgado, Mike Piazza, Paul Lo Duca, Al Leiter, A.J. Burnett, and Preston Wilson are some of the big names changing teams over the years. The Mets have hardly dealt with other teams at all, including the Braves (the last Braves trade before Frenchy was in 1996) and Blue Jays. I forgot that David Justice was a Met, for about a week. The Santana trade worked out the best, and the Kazmir trade is the worst. The Bell and Putz trades might prove to be worse over time.

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ugly

this list is simply ugly. nothing amazing was given away, but then again we got johan and thats it out of all those trades.

by ImaMoose on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kazmir to TB is the worst of recent trades, but-

-while everyone blames Peterson for claiming he could “fix” Zambrano in 10 minutes, he was right that Kazmir would have trouble staying healthy. This is the one factor preventing that trade from reaching the top of the worst Met trade ever list (see Ryan, Nolan; Otis, Amos; Seaver, Tom).

by madisonmetsfan on Jul 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Santana trade?

Is it really such a no brainer that Santana trade is the best? I mean, one has to take somehow into consideration that the Mets pay the guy a market rate ($20M/year). Sure, Santana’s great but it for $20 he’s getting the Mets would be able to get a significant value from somebody else as well.

by alexSVK on Jul 16, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

$20 mil a year isn't really that much for a great pitcher.

He’s been worth more than that 4 of the past 5 years.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"for $20 he’s getting the Mets would be able to get a significant value from somebody else as well."

Like one-and-a-half Oliver Perez’s!

by Eric Simon on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well,

I still believe that Ollie’s contract can turn out to be better than Lowe’s. (This hope might die within couple of hours though.) But I get your point — it’s actually not that easy to find a better way to spend extra $20M than on Santana. Not without hindsight, at least.

by alexSVK on Jul 16, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing you're looking at Fangraphs WAR

which I don’t find as useful as Statcorner WAR. Comparing them for Johan:

Fangraphs
2004: 7.7
2005: 7.6
2006: 7.3
2007: 4.6
2008: 4.8
2009: 2.0

Statcorner
2004: 9.6
2005: 9.7
2006: 7.7
2007: 5.4
2008: 5.1
2009: 2.5

He’ll probably end up a ~5 win pitcher this season (maybe more if he is 2nd half Johan) which makes him worth about equal to his salary using AAV of the deal. How he performs at the end of the contract remains to be seen, but barring injury which keeps him out for extended periods, he has a shot of living up to it. This is a basic analysis, but I have a hard time finding a better trade on this list.

by James Kannengieser on Jul 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

for the numbers. As posted in a reaction below, I rest my case then.

by alexSVK on Jul 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gut feelings rather than stats:

Win: Cubs, Giants, Orioles, Red Sox, Indians (by default), Twins
Even: Diamondbacks, Reds, Dodgers, Brewers, Pirates, Cardinals, Nationals, Tigers, Angels, Yankees, A’s, Jays
FAIL: Rockies, Marlins, Astros, Phillies, Padres, Royals, Rays, Rangers

Too soon to tell: Braves, White Sox, Mariners

6 win, 12 even, 8 fail, 3 too soon to tell

by JoshNY on Jul 16, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Most of them are pretty inconsequential though

And I wouldn’t call the Rangers deal a fail. We could have had Diaz back as a free agent recently, and now he’s toiling in the Korean league. Nickeas isn’t much either at this point, but it seems pretty even to me.

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Jul 16, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

Diaz had a not-entirely-worthless season as a bench outfielder for the Rangers. Nickeas is 26 and overmatched in AA (career AA OPS .586) and AAA (career AAA OPS .566). I mean, I guess it’s possible that he’ll mature into an MLB player, but I’d be surprised.

Maybe I should’ve called it even; in any case it’s only a slight edge to the Rangers.

by JoshNY on Jul 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

V.diaz, Korean league stats

G 62
AB 201
R 37
H 55
HR 15
RBI 39
SB 2
BB 17 / K 76
.266/.323/.551

on waiver 7/4

by DemianBlue on Jul 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure Braves counts as a fail, just by the reasoning.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 17, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure Braves counts as a fail, just by the reasoning.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 17, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually,

I was not looking on anything. I guess my (general) point was that the players sent to the Twins should be, rather than compensation for Santana, seen as the price for the right of signing Santana at the market rate. Nevertheless, it seems that you took this into consideration already, and given the other trades the Mets made, it’s really hard to argue against Santana trade.

Also, I’m pretty sure that had Mets had extra $20m this year (instead of Santana), they would most likely found a way to waste it without getting an adequate value back. Thanks a lot for the Santana trade then!

by alexSVK on Jul 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs