Open Thread: Mets vs Braves
by Eric Simon on Jul 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
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Lineup
Pagan, cf
Castillo, 2b
Murphy, 1b
Wright, 3b
Francoeur, rf
Reed, lf
Santos, c
Cora, ss
Santana, lhp
when did Jerry get it through his head that Pagan is a leadoff hitter?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Braves lineup
Nate McLouth CF
Martin Prado 2B
Chipper Jones 3B
Brian McCann C
Yunel Escobar SS
Matt Diaz LF
Casey Kotchman 1B
Ryan Church RF
Kenshin Kawakami RHP
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Church is a damn nice 8th hitter
Hitting clean-up one week, bottom of the line-up the next.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Ugh.
I’m relegated to game day. If anyone has a link to a feed that would be great. MLBtv won’t work for my company computer. We are based in atlanta so I “Should” get Atlanta. I live in Texas and I am stuck watching Angels.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Jerry-Ball
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
That did not just happen
How the frig do you bunt the second hitter of the game?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
For having to witness this, we are all losing.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
think it was to watch him flounder with runners in scoring position?
you know, just for fun (from a braves point of view)
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Apparently
the Braves haven’t been paying attention. Walking Wright?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
Or not
Because, you know – Frenchy thinks OBP is overrated…
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
uh also, what channel is this on? i can't find it on SNY, TBS, or UPN or CW or whatever it is now
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
FOX
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
it's on everyone's
favorite network.fox
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice inning jagov's
Has Jerry ever heard of a hit and run? Castillo handles the bat better than anyone…why would anyone give an out away there?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Frenchy saw 7 pitches
that’s gotta be a record.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
mclouth only saw 2
advantage frenchy, it would seem.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
I'd rather have McLouth's sister on the team than Frenchy
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Don't even know if he has one...really, it doesn't matter
I’d take a manaquin over him.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
google can't find a sister.
she must not exist.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
He swung at 5 of them
he just fouled them off.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
i need to stop flipping between this and 40 year old virgin
though honestly, i’ll probably get more of a kick out of that movie.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Err... umm...
the Braves just fleeced Omar. We’d probably end up sending them David Wright.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
True
but knowing Omar the trade would be chipper for david
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, David Wright is due for a crippling injury and Chipper does hit well in NY
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Jerry is an idiotic manager
nothing he does can surprise me anymore.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Its a day game after a night and the catcher from last night is playing?
and not for a platoon advantage.
Look out Brian
after castro and churchy your next on the dog house
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't Santos become Johan's "personal catcher"?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
that was almost disaster.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Braves look like they're out to embarrass Frenchy
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
/agree
who plays right field for the braves?
watch, he’ll place an oil slick on the grass.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
good thing i've got my thinking cap on today.
that was pretty retarded.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Can we trade Frenchy, Mejia, Holt and Flores to the Braves for Church?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
i wasn't paying attention to how many pitches santos saw
i was looking at those two girls behind home plate.
how many was it?
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
that's what i thought.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Frenchy saw 7
Omir could learn a lesson from him
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If I could ask Omar one question it would be:
Do you cry yourself to sleep at night?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
who thinks we should pinch-hit for santana just to try to get some runs on the board?
though to be honest, i’m not sure if anyone on the bench is a much better hitter than santana.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
senor squarepants just turned 10!
maybe he’ll be extra pumped up!
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Here you go boys.
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-mlb.php?w=3
Just incase you dont have the game.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP AND Omar Minaya!
THANKS!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
is anyone else's audio REALLY weird right now
on the Fox broadcast?!
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
Dang, Rosenthal just slamming Escobar
Ducks out against tough pitchers?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I know Sheff's not playing
but any update on his injury?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
that means after he pinch hits
he will be gone until September
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
kotchman is really underrated
if you ask me.
as long as you can compensate for the “lack of power” (he’s got 20-hr pop)
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
C'mon, you gotta give slappy a little love now.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
If Jerry gave him a chance to swing the bat. He's just the Designated Bunter
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
wow, not bad
i’m impressed.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Q: what happened to Kelly Johnson?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
lost his job and got hurt
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
D. Murph wears his pants like a 75 year old man in Boca
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I hate Murphy
and I recognize it’s not his fault. He was just waaayyyy overhyped. But he just blows chunks. I don’t see ANY evidence that he’ll be a quality major league hitter; like Mike Jacobs without the pop.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
i feel like he's got a nice swing
but he just…. i don’t even know. doesn’t make it work.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
the only thing he's got going for him is that
he plays a good 1st base and he takes pitches.unlike Frenchy or Santos
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But, takes more pitches than Frenchy or Santos wasn't what any of us signed up for
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Nothing wrong with Murph.
He’s not a big league regular. He’d be a nice bench piece anywhere, and the Mets just need to realize that and use him correctly next season.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he can still be decent
He was ridiculously rushed. Not many are successful with only one full season in the Minors.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
this!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Amen!
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
This umpire calls strikes like Frank Drebin
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Francoeur looks like a pitcher hitting
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Defense, baserunning, fundamentals...
You mean the thing that your job depends on stressing that is not getting done?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
fundies!!!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Sometimes I get tired of everyone beating up the mets on the commentary.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
seriously
I came to bitch about not being able to see the game, but there’s enough bitching in here already.
ain't had enough...
oh wait
You were talking about the TV announcers that I can’t hear because fox thinks I want to watch the Angels and A’s…
ain't had enough...
yeah, I was talking about that.
Heres a link the the Mets game
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-mlb.php?w=3
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
EMS....
way to be gritty and come up with that clutch link with 2 outs and RISP so I could check out the game. Out in ARZ and I have mlb.tv but the game was blacked out. What was that site you linked too do they show all the games?
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Oh, great
That would just be a perfect end to a perfect season
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I think I would officially stop watching the Mets for the season
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
"Good, clean" dirty shit, there.
I LOVE when a color man tries to sell me his take on what just happened… as the replay rolls in slow-motion and contradicts him.
Thanks, Matt Diaz. I hope you get a good, clean fastball in the ear next time through the order.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
Oh...
… I’m not saying it’s a realistic hope.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
The real question is
will it be 6-4-3 or 4-6-3?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I'll guess the first
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
4-6-3!
I would bet my pinkies on it.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
Sac fly
get it done!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Nice day for a walk.
(No chance of a misbegotten Razor Shines ‘send’ on one of those.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
Now, if Jerry had walked Chipper to get the lefty matchup with McCann
we’d be jumping all over him. That was bad strategy on Cox’s part, imo. David Wright is the best hitter, but still.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Let's go Senor Short Stroke
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Squeeze Jerry Squeeze
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
you know you want to
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Cora is fucking horrible
I’m sick of seeing this p.o.s. in the lineup everyday
For god’s sakes, he isn’t even slugging .300
Who would you put there?
WE HAVE no one else.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I just noticed that
Did you also notice that the only guys OPSing above .700 in this lineup are David and Omir? I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen any shit like that before.
Oh, what… Castillo is hovering above .700. woo.
ain't had enough...
We're lucky
he’s in there at all with a torn tendon in his thumb. At least we’ve got someone who can play SS out there.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Lugo will be here soon
Then we can curse the day he was born too.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Lol
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
2 runs
on a walk and ground out – with the bases loaded. Gotta love our offense, huh?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, we scored. I'm happy.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Yup
Because if nothing else, Johan deserves a win here.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
EMS
EMS…. way to be gritty and come up with that clutch link with 2 outs and RISP so I could check out the game. Out in ARZ and I have mlb.tv but the game was blacked out. What was that site you linked too do they show all the games?
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Someone from the Braves site linked to it earlier
I know I’ve watched games on that site before.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
WOW!
It’s like a single, like a double— it’s the fluky RBI-walk/RBI-FC combo!
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
Just out of curiousity...
who plays short for the B-Mets?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
who was the infielder we just signed?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Tejada
just looked it up. It looks like he’s walking up to the plate with two chopsticks wrapped up in a paper towel. He’s just 20.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Do any of these announcers know who is on the Mets and why they arent scoring any runs
I mean its right there in the lineup. Even the basic dumb stats will show you that the sub-replacement players that have been playing for us the past 2 months are terrible baseball players. I mean just look at the numbers. Its your damn job. I dont understand how these people still have jobs. They are all terrible. I dont like one single sports announcer.
by aparkermarshall on Jul 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
+1
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
They all drive me crazy...
to the point where people I am watching a game with become annoyed with me.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
They are basically the same
misread the play, distort basic statistics and extremely dumb soap opera storylines. Is this taught in college to these people? Does the network have the training facility where they teach these morons about grission and chemistry. I have a theory that most analysts are former terrible players, they have no insight in how to be good at baseball since they were never really good at it to begin with. And to them they know that numbers never helped them because their numbers were terrible to begin with. So they come up with something to keep them in the game.
by aparkermarshall on Jul 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Now
here comes the boom.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Nice grissiony play there Coa
maybe next time you can pretend you’re a major league starter
by aparkermarshall on Jul 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
You mean, get better soon
Just don’t come back before you are completely healed. Don’t try to come back before that, with the risk of making it even worse
+1
Frankly, at this point, I kinda feel like we may as well wait on him until Sept. to get him some ABs and keep him sharp.
There is absolutely NO reason to risk bringing him back too soon.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Fuck
Just bring in Berroa.
If he’s worse than this, he’d have to be so bad, it would at least be amusing.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
Calm down
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Our best option at SS now is Oil Spill Valdez
I couldn’t care less about Berroa. And Cora regrissioned to his usual offensive production.
At the very least, Valdez is great defense.
Hey Frenchy, look
Johan can do it, why can’t you?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He was bunting for a hit.
That’s not an altogether bad play. Chipper just made a better play.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
He squared on the 1st pitch too
You don’t show bunt and then try to bunt for a hit when the IF is coming in.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Didn't see the start of the AB
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
That was amazing
Kawakami walks the pitcher and Jerry Manuel says “say, you know what we should do now? VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP AN OUT.”
RisingApple.com!
He rarely Ks but damn it seems he only does it with runners on base
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Wow
I can hear Razor Shines completely stupid third base coaching wisdom.
by aparkermarshall on Jul 18, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah...that just made me dislike him more.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
"You're scoring till I stop you but you're scoring"
WHAT?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
IOW
“Don’t hesitate— assuming I’m waving you in until I stop you.”
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so done with Daniel Murphy
As far as I’m concerned, trade this kid. He can’t play the outfield and he hasn’t shown he can hit ML pitching on a consistent basis.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
What value could he possibly have on the market
If the Mets are going to do anything with Murphy it would be to send him down. I doubt they’ll do that.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
He needs more than half a season.
He’s played almost as many games in the bigs as he did in the minors. He was not handled well by the organization and deserves a little slack.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
THIS!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I recognize that my disappointment is really about how he was sold to the fanbase
Having said that, it’s difficult to see upside when you watch him play. I suspect he’ll have better success on balls in play, and he’ll probably add some power as he fills out.
But in all seriousness, what do you see as his upside?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
He can be DeRosa type player I think if he gets some time to develop his defense.
It looks like pitchers have figured him out and he needs to adjust his approach. Lord knows he probably isn’t getting much help from this coaching staff.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Okay...
that seems far more tempered than anything I heard last year from the Mets, the press, and much of the fanbase. (Granted, I didn’t spend much time at AA until recently.)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I never saw him as a regular player, but I liked his potential
Omar’s a jackass
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Jury's still out...
8/2/08 – 5/8/09: 221 ABs, .312/.387/.475
5/9/09 – 7/17/2009: 158 ABs, .209/.278/.297
I think he deserves a bit more time, but I agree that the Mets didn’t handle him well.
Um...
… if you’re selling, you probably want to wait until he hits well for a decent stretch.
You’re not getting anything of much worth for this guy at this point.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Selling young, cheap players with options remaining is a poor idea.
Murph has plenty of value to the Mets in the future as a pinch hitter or in the minors as depth. Trading guys like him to acquire minor league prospects just makes the upper levels of the farm system even more barren. He should still be with the organization after the deadline.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Give the nature of this season
you can’t give up on a young kid. The lineup has been so messed up and so little productivity top to bottom that you don’t have a clear picture of what the kid can do. He seems to have a good APPROACH, which at his age is more important than the actual numbers IMO
So, are Daniel Murphy supporters giving him the 1B job for next year?
If not, then we need to get a first baseman.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
That has to be priority number 1 this offseason.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That's my point.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Priority number 1 should be replacing Jerry and Omar
Since this is not happening, then 1B and LF holes. Then SP’s.
I like him, but he shouldn't be our everyday 1st baseman
We need one and we need one with power
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He's a bench player.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Did you guys hear that?
Bobby COX must use STATS!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Ugh.
Bleed-ing to death here.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
felt the breeze from that last McLouth swing...
all the way in Manhattan.
WELCOME BACK SANTANTA
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
yo - friggin
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
han
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Let's get s'more runs!
(yeah. who am i kidding?)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Nice Dubs
Lets get some insurance
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
No way you run Wright in front of the whiff-prone Frenchy
do you?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
hmmm
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not.
Dubs can steal it on his own.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Yeah. I'm thinking they gave Frenchy the take
no way he just takes that pitch given what he’s been swinging at
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Wright got a fantastic jump
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Francoeur actually doesn't strike out that often
He just never walks
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No bunt Jerry? With the worst player in the league?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Is there a West Coast game, or is this the only one?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Vegemite
The fox broadcasters haven’t talked about it nearly enough today
RisingApple.com!
Karros: “Ew, gross!”
Albert: “Ew, gross!”
Rosenthal: “It smells like dog food… and doo-doo!”
Karros and Albert: “EEEEEEWWWW!”
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Green is hardly the biggest issue this team has
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Blown hit-and-runs...
… make Bobby Cox a sad, angry panda.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Jebus.
Every play to Ol’ Thumbs-and-Leadership is an adventure.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Pat "High Leverage" Misch
Jerry really hates Stokes, doesn’t he?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Not for this particular situation
More that he’ll use Misch in a big spot but not Socks
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Splits
Kotchman and Church coming up.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait? Huh? What?
He’s a ballplayer, not a semantician.
(As the tabs are unavailable in the clubhouse, he probably just heard about the quote from another beat reporter, whom I’m sure represented it with 100% fidelity.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Churchy, do us a favor for old times sake
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
calm down
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i just don't want to lose with my ace on the mound
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 18, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody here does
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah baby
Shut this mother down Socks!
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Um...
… no Frankie for a 4-out save? Ever?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
Pump it in Stokes
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Hey Billy Wagner,
F*ck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
+1
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I believe that Wagner was being his douchy, hillbilly self and ran his mouth again.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Wagner was saying a lot of negative stuff though
so, if one were to take it in context …
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
He’s a ballplayer, not a semantician.
Plus, as the tabs are unavailable in the clubhouse, he probably just heard about the quote from another beat reporter, whom I’m sure represented it with 100% fidelity.
(Sarcast-alics!)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fill me in...
what did Country Time say?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I paraphrase
He said that when he comes back, he’ll only be a small part of the team like Brian Stokes
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
From NY Post
Stokes was firing back at Wagner after Wagner told The Post earlier this week that he thinks the Mets will limit him to being “a Brian Stokes-type player [who] might pitch once a week” when — or if — he returns from Tommy John surgery.
This people kill me....
For $12 million a year, K-Rod can’t get 4 outs ?.
FC
by fxcarden@yahoo.com on Jul 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
I'm just hoping he doesn't blow this save
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
It's not like the 9th isn't high leverage
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Jerry like to throw Socks! in the fire: bases loaded or facing Pujols or something like that
Guess what, Socks! walks over fire
Good point.
Stokes has been underused by Manuel. Manuel is just a horrible manager totally devoid of any leadership skills.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
If I could go back in time I would un-hire Minaya and Manuel.
FC
by fxcarden@yahoo.com on Jul 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
pagan!
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
he looked about as bad as you can look on 2-0
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
FUCK!
That man is a ververver fast man.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
That is freaking big time Pagan!!!!
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Great call!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Good as a sac fly from Luis
who really has to pump one to get it to medium depth in the outfield
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Pagan should play every day in CF
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
WOOO!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
All that bunting...
… and this is the FIRST squeeze of the year.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
We are the offensive juggernaut called the New York Mets
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
This is the type of stuff that can get a team going
Take notes Jerry
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Good AB from Murph there
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Book it.
Double here by Wright. No “save” for Frankie.
(And, yes, that would be lower-leverage than Stokes’ sitch.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
Saw that coming
as soon as Murph took off
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't think the steal was the way to go there
you took the bat out of DWs hand
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
ok, Frenchy...
Drive in some runs and make Atlanta look stupid for trading you…
why exactly?
it’s not like there’s a ML caliber hitter behind him
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
true...
but homer or bust isn’t actually a bad approach when you’re stuck in this lineup.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't really talking about run-value, but what event is more difficult to happen
Frenchy hitting with RISP or Frenchy walking
Frenchy with an 8 hopper!
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Die, worms, die!
It’s a line drive in the box score.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Our bullpen may have had a difficult time
but we only gave up ONE run, not 3
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
At this point, I'd let Stokes finish up
… unless KRod needs the work.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
He's out of the game
Berroa PH for him
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I will say this...
Atlanta is barely better than we are, and they spent a ton on pitching and have been relatively healthy.
For all the “Mets are an apocalyptic disappointment talk” the Bravos are only technically in the hunt. They’re not catching Philly. They are what their record says they are.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Agreed
No one in the NL East is great this year.
Indeed.
For all of the stuff you can genuinely pin on Minaya, without catastrophic injury I think we’d have overtaken the Philly during their June swoon.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Like 1 player better than us?
Like if we traded Francoeur for Church, we’d be better than them?
Maybe we should think about doing that.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I'm not saying Omar shouldn't be outta here
but it’s intersting how the Braves are sort of beyond reproach, and their front office hasn’t exactly lived up to the hype.
For whatever that’s worth…
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Hey, Barry Zito is pitching tonight for SF
We could be 6 out of a Playoff spot by the end of the night.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
curb the enthusiasm.
lol
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
FLA is up on PHI
:)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
K-Rod time
Please do not make this game “interesting”.
Do not channel Armando Benitez or Braden Looper.
This season...
… wins go in the rare books section.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad we're going to be butt-raped by Vasquez tommorrow
a road split would be heavenly
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
PIITB
It’s nice to win every once in a while :-)
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
LOL
FC
" Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. "
by fxcarden@yahoo.com on Jul 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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