Open Thread: Mets vs Pirates
by Eric Simon on Jul 2, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
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Hey Jerry: Tatis sucks!
I like the guy, but he’s been awful. Do not bat him anywhere but the bottom of the order if he must play.
Why the hell wouldn’t you bat Evans 5th?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Yup, I think you dare...sans the black hole in the 5th spot.
This and we probably have the pitching advantage in each of the 3 games in Philly.
The AAAA Mets are legit.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Apparently not
Ah, well.
"I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually inverse in proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
Redding and Maholm just now trotting to BP for warmups
But no official knowledge yet.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We're in a rain delay in Pittsburgh
The radar seems to suggest it might be under an hour. The predictions are that this is the last rain before evening, hopefully we can play the game and GTFO with a win before the rain really starts coming down.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
And it looks like its pouring
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I think quite the opposite
The wet ground will deaden the ball making bunting better!!!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Castillo
is actually a very nice right handed bat. It is hitting lefty that becomes an issue.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Yes
Third batter, 1 pitch to David and the tarp’s back on the field.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Good, I'll take a 2 hour delay and no more Maholm
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Quoth Howie Rose,
“Hope Evan Roberts is still in the studio because this is gonna be a long, long game.”
Oh man
I was thinking the game would be over by 3:30, allowing me to watch all of it before I go to work at 4. Oh well—-maybe it’ll still be going on when I get off at 9!
"I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually inverse in proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
Oh my god
Howie and Wayne are talking about a “Furries” convention in the hotel in Pittsburgh, trying to figure out what the hell they are all about!
That's hilarious
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I never thought
I’d ever see “Furries” mentioned on any Baseball related site.
"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez
by Lance Johnson on Jul 2, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too and it was raining pretty hard about an hour ago
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Yeah
It’s overcast in CT, but no rain. I was surprised when I turned on the TV and it was delayed.
"I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually inverse in proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
Crap
Only set my DVR for 4 hours. Will it start back up in the next 20 minutes?
rey ordonez
just broke his record 101 game errorless streak
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Francesa says WFAN rejoining the mets at 1:45 so maybe soon
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Are they playing “Start Me Up” by the Stones? Is that meant as a way of pleading with the weather Gods? If not its just some good ol’ fashioned irony.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 2, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
Alright, lets go.
Poppa needs a winning streak!
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
tatis hitting 5th
why?
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
And we all thought Tatis was useless!!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
church and evans should be switched
in the lineup
Atta boy Tatis!
That’s what we need from you.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
at least we expected that
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
Bases loaded and 3-0
and you cannot get the run in, Ryan Church? Ugh.
We needed something out of that for The Beard
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
bases loaded, 3-0 count
yep, that seems about right
Church cannot hit lefties
he was doing it pre-concussion but hasn’t figured them out at all since
Ryan Church versus lefties:
.167/.194/.244
Hit him eighth.
You would think
based on the law of averages that someone on the Mets will eventually come through w/ the bases loaded…not this time.
We're just saving them up for September
that’s how statistics works, right?
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well
at least someone likes the bunt as much as we do.
If we cannot beat a lineup that has Delwyn Young batting 3rd and some dude named Garret Jones 5th
there is no hope
why the hell is tim redding swinging at
a 3-1 pitch?
wow.
tim redding looks great today....
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
uuuugh Redding you stink
the ump gave you an extra strike and he still walked em
Redding disagrees
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Redding is Basura
It’s just that the bar is so damned low for him. 7 innings and 4 runs given up is considered masterpiece theatre.
He’s doubly damaging, because if he sucked a little more he’d lose his spot, but he sucks just the right amount to keep it.
All while Niese is pitching gems in Buffalo
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
time to give him a shot
but they will say Redding threw well against the Dodgers last time, hence another start
Does Niese have to throw a no hitter in Buffalo to get a call up??
i mean Tim Redding is on this team, Tim Redding. Niese is better than Tim Redding
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
hoe c0ome their AAA lineup hits rope after rope...
…and our AAA lineup hits weak grounder after weak grounder?
Gary and Keith talking about Furries in the hotel now
I wonder if they ever watch Entourage?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Give me a break
This guy is done. Get me Niese or Figgie
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
hahaha anyone just hear
“hey tim, try to keep him in the ballpark” from some fan?
If Redding loses today
and does not pitch well against this pitt lineup, he’s got to be dropped from the rotation, right? Right? Even if it’s for Ollie and not Niese.
Damn, now I’m hoping he gets rocked but the Mets come back and win (which I know is an impossible series of events).
Redding, Nieve, and Dessens
Are all people who could move somewhere to make room for Niese, Perez, and eventually Maine.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
until nieve gets rocked
i can’t put him on that list
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever starts for the Cyclones tonight>>>>Tim Redding
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I'm going to that game
so I’ll let you know tomorrow ha ha
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Ollie would at least have 3 k’s by now.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they release a player while he's pitching?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wright
you don’t cut off a throw unless you know you have him…..idiot
Tatis had no shot at throwing him out at home
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
What's the Mets' record when Redding Starts?
Like 1-6, 1-4 anyone know? It feels like 1-5.
You suck buddy, no 2 ways about it.
Say it with me now D….F….A
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Should have rode the bus together today...
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
What's the rule with draft picks.
If we pick in the first 15, we can’t lose that pick no matter who we sign right?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
how bored are Keith and Gary this week
haunted hotels, rubber cleats v.s. metal, hot dog races, dress-up conventions
I think that guy Stocks cleans the shoes not the clubhouse kids
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
we need a bomb from sheffield
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
have no fear
after the game we’ll hear about how their only 2.5 out and are just a good week and another abysmal Philly week away from being in the race (even though 22 other teams are ahead of us in the WC)
Tell me we don't need a bat Omar...
Enough is enough…bring me Dunn and Rios. I want them in Philadelphia tonight.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
he does not want to trade anyone
if the nats offered me dunn for parnell and murph i will do that
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You know why?
That damn contract extension. Omar needs a rocket up his ass.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
We've given Redding 9 starts
That’s just giving games away. Just like ’07 when Brian Lawrence got 6 starts and they lost 5 of them. Inexcusable.
Brian Lawrence ’07: 6 games starts, 5 Met losses, ERA of 6.83
Tim Redding ’09: 9 game starts, 6 or 7? Met losses, ERA of 6.65 (and rising fast)
redding is so bad
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
Adam LaRoche: "Your the crappy team, bitch".
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
"being a number 5 starter is never easy"-Gary
yeah when people are pleased with you being average, tough life
I would think it would be quite taxing, gobbling so much dick at one time.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
why is our number 5 pitching 3rd
johan
pelf
nieve
livan
redding
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he say that?
Hahhahaha, come on Cohen, don’t sugarcoat the suckitude. I would argue it’s kind of nice when the bar is so low. An ERA of 5 or under is considered okay for a 5th starter.
The solution to the problem since Omar apparently hates Niese
Aroldis Chapman is supposed to fly in this week. Give him a 60 million dollar contract. Send him to Binghamton for a few starts. Kill Cut Kill Tim Redding
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
On a side note,
I’d really like to see Chapman signed but somehow I don’t think we could, even with the 3rd highest budget.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You beat me to the punch...
Can’t believe (well actually I can) we’re getting smoked by the likes of these scrubs…
by northernvatiger on Jul 2, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, at this point, I would leave him out there for 150 pitches
Send a message
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
This will be it for Redding
9 starts and an era of about 7, how many chances can he get?!! I’d take Brandon Knight over this clown if they are so reluctanct on Niese.
i would rather see
a young guy like niese get the chance to pitch up here then some washed up pitcher
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well boys i can't think of a more depressing scenario than having to go back to Pitt to make up a game
have that game delayed only to get pounded by the Pirate’s AAA lineup, with Philly and the Dodgers looming
It's hard to believe
A journeyman Nationals starting pitcher could not become successful for us. Just a shock.
the fucking nats let him go
he had a under .500 record last year as a starting pitcher.why the fuck would Omar sign him
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The thought process was:
“If he went 10-11 for the Nationals, he’ll be 15-7 for us!”
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
That's still higher than Brian Lawrence in '07
with more starts under his belt, too.
They should have followed him into the bathroom to watch him dump
That’s what he does when he pitches.
what the hell was that
who wants to see tim redding during the day
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
its on a bottle cap
probably supposed to be like a soda flavor
If Maholm is smart
he’ll walk the next two batters
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
just take a freakin' chance going home
does it really matter
When you're down by 5 runs
Yes. You can’t grind out runs through base running.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 2, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bases loaded no outs
the inning will end 5-0
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I'd love to wager on a
santos DP. Need a Vegas sportsbook, stat.
Wow
Omir is gonna see three pitches this at bat
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Good bye Tim redding
Second half staff: Johan, pelf, Livan, revitalized ollie (?), can maine make it back (?), Niese. Oswalt? :)
i would like to see
johan
pelf
nieve
livan
niese.
put ollie in the pen
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets .200/.242/.325 w/bases loaded
before today
"eat your heart out Bucos fans"
maybethis guy is a Met fan? Either way he’s sloshed
positively shocking
who could’ve possibly predicted that his hot streak would end and he would regress to being an unproductive player?
I forgot who said it here
but I can’t wait to see Omir swing at a pitch thrown behind him
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Ahem
(I don’t want to sound like a jerk for linking myself, but since nobody gives credit to remembers who said what.)
by Michkin on Jul 2, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You found that rather quick, didn't you?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Wow, I didn't even know there was a search button
I thought you just kept open all the posts you wrote that you thought were smart or witty in case of a situation like this.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Not that I do it in case someone wants to reference my posts or comment on it.
Why isn't the link thing working?
anyway:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/6/30/930707/mets-community-prospect-list-6#17605913
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
me too
i bet the bullpen gives up some more runs
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy!!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Santos
is total, complete garbage. But then, some of us knew that.
Who knew a left handed hitter could get a hit off of a left handed pitcher?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Jerry is ridiculous. How can we have a man running this team who is so one dimensional.
He plays by the “books” as it were. No compromises can be made. He has no imagination and no gameplan. What a useless piece of crap.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jul 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Maholm hasn't been good
imagine if we had a few hiters and a decent starter today
we would be winning
but tim redding was pitching
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
ya knew he wasn’t gonna hit a sac fly
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Jerry was right about one thing...
Omir really does have a short swing.
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Omir's stay in the majors
should be as short as his swing.
Castillo
That’s why it’s not all about OBP. You have to have the ability to drive in a run. The guy has always been abysmal when it comes to rbis. You can say it’s not his “job”, but dammit it’s everyone’s job.
aren't getting on base and driving a run in that situation basically one and the same?
are you saying it would be bad if Castillo singled or walked there? or that it would be fine if Wright GIDPed because he gets RBIs at other times?
Nope
I’m saying he’s less likely to get on base in those situations, because he’s a slap hitter and pitchers will challenge him with strikes in those situations. And he’s less likely to drive in a run with a sac fly, because he doesn’t hit it deep enough.
interesting theory
but it’s simply not true.
Luis Castillo’s career OBP: .367
Luis Castillo’s career OBP with runners in scoring position: .368
Luis Castillo’s career OBP with men on first and third: .374
by JoshNY on Jul 2, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ah
I had missed this discussion.
Well, how about this: Luis’s career obp with no one on base is .371. You are afding that into his career overall obp. So a slight but meaningless reduction in his obp with risp.
But his slugging with no one on is .366. With men on it is .333. With risp it is .332. I dunno, maybe pitchers still pitch around him because they know a slappy single may result in a run. I had thought this was the crux of the later discussion. Cstillo doesn’t drive in many runs. His ba with risp is .274, his career ba with no one on is .299. He doesn’t hit doubles, and some of hits are infield singles.
Moreover, Castillo percentage of runs driven in times plate appearances with men on base, aside from driving himself in with a homer, is .149. For, David Wright, for example, it is .245.
And yes, flaws with that, and yes, Wright hits into more DPs. I think there are degrees to which you all have points to make.
I would have been happy with a walk
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
The problem isn't Slappy.
He is what he is. We don’t have enough bats and every situation where we have men on is of such importance. If this were a different time, we could just shrug it off and get em next inning.
But we can’t
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Thank you Cora.
Now lets fucking go.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
hey, Alex Cora just got to second base on one hit
is that allowed? watching the Mets so much, I’m not really sure
Bad baserunning by Cora
If the guy miraculously makes that catch you can walk back to 2nd
big sheff
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
Only cause it's either that or a double play
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
If Evans were hitting behind him, I would do it.
Tough with a lefty up there, Maholm is really tough on them.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Sheff!
would it kill Tatis or Evans to go yard, just once in awhile?
Good, get freaking pissed and kill this team
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Man
now I am REALLY pissed they kept running redding out there.
He was out at first
I think
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
pleaseeee
no DP, Church
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
Nah
But he JUST avoided the double play
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
CHUUUURCH
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
Geez, Tatis has to sit
It is not happening for him this year
seriously.
stick Murph at first and Evans in LF
by dulciusEXasperis on Jul 2, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Now we're back in
still worried about how our pen is gonna give us 5 more innings
We've got him on the ropes...
Knock this son of a bitch out
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
play nick and church every damn day Jerry
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
We would be EXTREMELY
Left handed. But I agree, it is the right thing to do.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Just get Redding out of the rotation first...
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 2, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
But I think they just have to go with it.
Nicky!!!!!!!!!
we scored 5, count em, 5 runs in a single game. We can’t be stopped!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
WHOOOOO!!!
I was just saying yesterday on AA I wanted to see the Mets do something like Red Sox did yesterday and even the Orioles the day before. This is something! Down 5-0, the Mets usually just walk like the dead.
And on Maholm! Finally, some payback!
The 2009 Mets: Rollins hits a la-a-a-azy fly ball to left field. Murphy ready to put this one in the books as he ma-...HE DROPS THE BALL!! Ruiz rounds second, Murphy throws in to the backup shortstop Cora WHO LETS IT GET BY HIM. To third goes Ruiz! Reed, who took Tatis' spot for defensive reasons fires to thi-...THERE'S NOBODY THERE! Putz is running over to the ball. Picks it up and whirls to home, THROWS IT AWAY! PHLLIES WIN! Putz appears hurt and we're getting word Reyes was involved in another car accident.
Now that Redding can't get the loss, he probably gets another start...
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
making fact redding started again
all the more painful. Still, this game can be had. Unbelievable. An AL style multi run comeback. :)
Time for Short Swingz to break out of this slump
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
it's funny
But the Angels start their own version of Santos. Even worse. jeff mathis. Even though they have Napoli they play Mathis more than half the time, and Mathis is sub .200 hitter. No walks. No power. And napoli has a great slash line, like a .900+ ops. Man, Mathis must frame pitches like no one ever has.
Angels fans
must be tearing their hair out. Last week Napoli played for first time in 4 days, homers, and sits again next day.
His OPB is higher than his slugging
his OPB is .298
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
where are the Omir-lovers?
I expect a full-throated defense, like the ones we used to get.
And even I didn't expect that.
We have enter a bizzaro world
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He's a .250 minor league hitter for 10 years
With horrible OBP and slugging numbers. You don’t just transform into a competent major leaguer, he’s back to what he is. Castro hit a 3-run homer last night btw.
Santos couldn't take the walk right there?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Dessens and Misch
aren’t really pitchers…they just fill out the roster
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 2, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
with your career
.295 wOBA
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
He walked??
Remember when Gary Cohen screamed, “Omir Santos isn’t going anywhere!” For some reason I think Omar was listening and decided to trade Castro right then. I blame Cohen.
who do they have left on the bench?
Fart, Schneider and Our Anus?
Yay
a lead!!!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
good job Reed. At least someone knows how to get a productive out.
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
Reed
has been pretty good pinch hitting this year. Starting, not as much,
Castro
hit his 5th homer last night. overall. 5 dingers and 11 walks in 100 at bats, something like that.
but when you have grission on your side
you just cant lose
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Jul 2, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that Jones guy being a lefty, wearing number 46 and being lefty
kinda conjures memories of one, Ollie Perez
who?
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 2, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
castillo
loves to face premium
hates to face premium
karstens, throws premium
by wobatus on Jul 2, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Luis
Didn’t drive in the run? I can’t believe it. Especially with that great OBP.
dude, this is tiresome.
RBI-getting is not a separate skill from hitting, and hitting is a thing which Castillo is pretty decent at.
See that's where your wrong
It is a separate skill, and Luis proves it, because Luis doesn’t have the ability. Look at his career numbers. His RBI totals are always abnormally low per AB, because he has zero pop in his bat. All his RBIs come 1 at a time. He does not have the power to drive in multiple runs with 1 swing. And that’s a huge liability that outweighs OBP. So you’re wrong, sorry.
power hitting ≠ RBI-getting
Yes, Castillo has no power. Duh. This is not the same thing as “driving in runs,” which is the same skill as hitting. I challenge you to produce a single piece of evidence that “RBI-getting” is a predictive category different from hitting ability.
maybe his RBI totals are low per AB
because for almost his entire career he’s hit at the top of the order in situations where there typically have not been a lot of men on base in front of him
Another thing you must realize
is that Luis Castillo has predominately been a top of the order hitter. A no. 2 hitter more often than not. And with being a no. 2 hitter, the RBI chances aren’t as great as a 3-4-5-6-7 hitters would be.
You have the leadoff guy who will occasionally get to second but even then, as the No. 2 hitter your job is to move him over for the 3-4 hitters to have a shot at it.
And hitting that high in the lineup means that Castillo has to rely on the 7-8-9-1 hitters to get in scoring position by the time he is up to bat.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
The only thing about Castillo is that I don't trust him to hit sac flies
Lack of power, 60% GB, 15% FB, 2 or 3 sac fly/year
while that is true...
getting on base is, in almost all situations, better than a sacrifice fly. (yes, if it’s a tie game in the bottom of the 9th with a runner on third and nobody out, it’s not as good.) so I just can’t bring myself to see that as a huge problem.
So what you're saying is that RBI is totally dependent on people getting on base in front of you?
That’s ridiculous. Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols would have driven in just as many runs as they did last year, even if they were on different teams.
Seriously though, why don’t people get that RBI is a crappy stat?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
here is something I don't get:
Why are the game threads here so full of WFAN-caller knee-jerkiness? It’s like there’s a whole separate set of users who only/primarily post in AA game threads and don’t get, or don’t agree with, the fact-oriented attitude of the rest of the site.
People like to watch games with other people and they're lonely so they come online looking to share in the joy/misery of Mets baseball?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I don’t really get how this explains (what I perceive to be) the larger share of irrationality in the game threads. But I agree, people like to watch games with other people.
Hey
it isn’t irrational to say Luis’s skill set isn’t rbi. And you seem to be implying that extra base hitting ability isn’t correlative to rbi. I know, maybe it isn’t being completely articulated.
If a runner is at first, how often will Luis drive him in? If he is at second, and Luis, a lot of his average being infield hits, won’t getb the guy home.
no, seriously, I am not saying that.
Of course power has (a little) something to do with RBI. You seem to have mistakely understood “AVG” everywhere I wrote “ability to hit”. I’d say “OPS” works better, or whatever more advanced offensive metric you please.
ok
so power not equaling rbis didn’t mean it had nothing to do with it. OPS is a great stat. I guess if he walks with the bases loaded. :)
It just cannot be gainsaid that Luis is not a big rbi guy, and a lot of that is because yeah, his avergae is ok, but he doesn’t hit a lot of extra base hits and even a fair share of his singles don’t leave the infield.
I know quite well that rbi is team dependent. And that Luis has other attributes.
But you shouldn’t be the self-appointed arbiter of what is rational or irrational, who should post and when. Albeit something is either a fact or it isn’t.
Also, yes, it most certainly is irrational to discuss RBI as though it were any kind of indicator of an individual hitter’s ability. RBI is a nonsensical, team-dependent stat, not something we should be using as even the roughest gauge of ability or treating like a repeatable, predictive skill — like pitching wins/losses.
well
why are you saying rbi getting (that sounds funny) is just dependent in batting average. that seems to be what you are saying. RBI getting has something to do with extra base hitting ability, no? even a guy at second won’t get driven in by one of Luis’s infield hits.
Am I missing something?
you said
driving in runs is the same skill as hitting. and that power did not equal rbis. So what are you saying. So, i am trying to figure out what that means. You don’t need extra base hits to get a runner in from first? An infield hit will score a runner from second? Luis doesn’t homer, nor does he get very many doubles or triples.
Debates
are fun and enjoyable as long as both sides bring a rational set of arguments. But when the other side brings up stat-less claims and say players don’t try ect. ect. just gets on my nerves.
The irrationality is overreacting to the events in the game we are all enjoying watching. Say Murphy droppes a pop up…the fans react with “WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE GIVIN HIM A JOB, WE SHOULDA GOT MANNY”
Whereas on the rest of the site people stop and think before typing.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I think that its
just that whether you’re a fact-based analysis guy (like most of the regulars here) or you don’t believe in statistical numbers, once the game starts we’re all (theoretically) mets fans, so some of the objective analysis falls by the wayside and its more of a “go mets” or “stinkin’ mets” feeling (I certainly know Im like that).
Also, if you are on this site and don’t feel the fact-oriented additude the rest of the site does, the gamethread is a place where you can comment, about the mets, but the main topic isn’t Alex Cora’s OPS+ or Mike Pelfrey’s FIP.
Regarding those game threads, I think people jump the gun sometimes
Might be because of the heat of the game or the nature of the internetz, doesn’t really matter.
Ah, it has been said before that we need a different color for sarcasm too.
No one is saying Luis is a great player
but at least he gets on base. On a good team, his .370 OBP is an assesst. Everything else he does is a detriment, but the OBP is very useful. Wright can’t drive in a player in if no one is on base in front of him.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Shouldn't this guy be in the clubhouse cleaning everyone elses spikes?
I mean, it was raining earlier, and their first pair of spikes are probably really dirty
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
every day he does something to help the team win
or at least does something that does not help or harm the team’s likelihood of winning
wwowow
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Jul 2, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
maybe this is finally the nail in the coffin
that will make Jerry sit Tatis
Oh...my...god
First Omir walks, now this! Holy crapola!!!
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
What did Tatis just do?
Is that allowed? Is that like out of bounds and we turn the ball over or something?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
All I can say is Thank God
and I’m sure Fernando would agree!
Come on Socks, make it easy on us.
Don’t start this Redding-impersonation crap.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Bobby Parnell better not come into this game
Unless we’re up by 14 runs, and even then I would hesitate
Dunn's horrific defense cancels his offense.
An AL team would benefit greatly with him at DH
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Funny
how not wanting to trade a guy for Nick Johnson turns into not wanting to trade him for Dunn…
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 2, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess Less>More then
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
lololololololol
If you count defense (which does in real baseball), I’m right.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Nick Johnso is playing
uncharacteristically bad defense this year, yet only .2 WAR behind Dunn. If he played 1B like he usually does he’d probably be up on Dunn .5 WAR
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
By the way
I’m no Sabermetrician, that .5 WAR increase is a complete guess, I just know Nick is -11 UZR and was +11 UZR last year and 3.6 for his career
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Johnson playing poor defense is certainly a new development
but I don’t think it can necessarily be taken for granted that it’s a temporary new development; it could also be the cumulative effect of various injuries taking its toll. (In other words, if you were evaluating him as a potential acquisition, I don’t think “if he played 1B like he usually does” is something you should take for granted.
True
But I would still take Johnson over Dunn. They’re similar now, Dunn slightly better, but Johnson has “upside” and can be better
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Certainly a reasonable viewpoint
I mean, I’m not saying he won’t return to being a very good 1B either, it’s just not something a team trading for him should assume will be the case.
I have to go check
Willigham’s UZR.
I was just joking about parns and Dunn. What, someone suggested dealing him for Johnson? I know Derosa was a possibility bandied about.
I woulda let Socks hit and keep pitching
didn’t he used to start?
Oh man
Leave stokes in! its not like you’ll use him this weekend.
he needs rest
he’s gonna be driving Jerry’s wife and kids all over the Jersey shore this weekend
by Rigsay on Jul 2, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow Delwyn Young arguing with the ump on a pitch down the middle there
go sit down on the bench fellar
Ump was being a dick there.
No reason he should have been thrown out.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Who the hell is this guy
And why do I have a feeling he is going to be one of those guys who has a .550 OPS but a 1.500 OPS against the Mets
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
As Beltran screams "You suck" from his la-z-boy
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
All right let's get the run back!
Let’s go David!
So this kid Jones is a single short of the cycle
That interesting.
restarting the trade thread
Willingham? His UZR per 150 in left is -5.4 in his career. Tolerable? Dunn is like -11
I mentioned this yesterday but I can't remember where
Could a team trade for Willingham and move him back behind the plate?
I don't think it's that big of a move.
We’d give up prospects…is he really that much better than Pagan. He is, but probably not enough to warrant it.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I don't think we'd have to give up any worthwhile prospects
Nats seem to be souring on the guys who play awful D
by James Kannengieser on Jul 2, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When we look at trades
They need to be able to play 1st. That is first and foremost.
Second, when checking their production we must look at how they compare how they relate to both Church and Sheffield when it comes to defense and offense.
Third obviously the cost is a huge deal. We have too many young players that have high potential to give up for a 1 or 2 year filler.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I think
they need to be able to play first AND be able to move, because I assume Delgado is coming back.
Willingham, I guess he can play first, but that’s because I assume every immobile outfielder can play a crappy first, but that won’t help. Willingham has played 3 innings of 1st. 5 putouts, no errors. Dunn has played first and cannot play it. He is godawful there.
Willingham is a much better hitter than Pagan. And better than Church, but I may be ignoring that they barely play him against lefties, I’d have to go check his splits. His zips update wOBA is .389 and iso .235. he can hit.
No, he cannot catch anymore, due to his back, I’d wager. maybe in a pinch.
That's what I meant
1st as well as OF so we can find a place for him.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Maybe not a great 1st
but I gotta assume better than Dunn.
Can we stop hitting people?
Please? It’s a little rediculous.
I'd rather hit em than walk em
It takes fewer pitches.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
come on greenie LETS GO
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Jul 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Is Frank the Closer up?
If not, better get hurry up and get him.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
nice finish for green
but i really don’t have confident feelings when he is in there
he is very good lately.
much better than joe smith has been for the indians. and had poor footing today.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
tim redding
should not get to pitch next time.but if we win jerry willl forget that tim sucks
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
any injury update on main and ollie?
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
probably but heard they were close so redding may maybe going to the pen soon anyway.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Last thing I heard is that Maine had a seatback and will take longer to come back
He took a cortisone shot and had a few days off. Ollie kept going against amateur-ish hitters in simulated games
regardless of what happens now, it is time to DFA redding and call up niese
there is no reason to keep this stiff in the rotation
Hey Double!
Good for you Omir. Use that speed when someone gets a single now.
Good baserunning too!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Omir must have hooked up with a fat chick last night...
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He's drunk,
You’re drunk!
Everybody’s Drunk!
Omir at 2nd base was like me getting air dropped into North Korea
either way it was not going to end well
So we traded an average runner on second
for a slow runner on first. awesome!
He got a walk
can’t complain
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
k rod is the 20th met to see action today
just a quiet little afternoon in pittsburgh
wtf
i dont get jerry sometimes…why change evans and tatis’s positions
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Jul 2, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
scratch that...i dont get him any of the time
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose is a better SS than Cora
Just one of the ways in which our broadcasters are wrong when they say that Jose’s value comes from his speed on the bases
That was crap...
Oh, well, there’s someone on as there always is. Time to go to work Frankie
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
can Adam laroche
play any other positions? because that guy is fucking money after July 1 year after year. I know that usually is a fluke, but he does it every year.
post break last 3 years combined
660 at bats, .314/.378/.578. WARs last 3 years, 2.5, 2.5, 1.6, almost all of it back end loaded. What can I say, he like hot weather. I’d take him for Eddie Kunz.
Of course, he hates Voltron.
Wow
And the only guy left at ALL is Bobby PARNELL!
Thank you Tim Redding. Short outings make us burn bench players and bullpen pitchers!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
yeah
fuck you redding.if we have to go to bobby then we lose
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's down in Buffalo
Oil Spill needs to be here as a late inning defensive replacement for Cora. Reyes can’t hack it.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
the home team advantage in extra inning games is mega
this is gonna be tough
martinez started back on a ball that castillo ended up catching...
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
Frankie better no strain himself
He needs to go another inning
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Wow
I go take a dump and come back to a tie game. Hold ’em now Frankie.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 2, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
Since Frankie blew the save
Would he get another Save opportunity if we left him in and we take the lead in the top of next inning?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
you've got to be fucking kidding me
what bullshit. I am sick of this bullshit. K-Rod you are supposed to be the closer, you know closing games out
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
what do you think? wild pitch, or two walks?
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
game over right here
Thanks K-Rod you goddamn bitch. I hate you so much now. Walking Rivera was humiliating for all of us but this is pathetic
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
k-rod
has been lucky this year to a degree, the Luis pop drop notwithstanding.
Very lucky
~.230 BABIP, way low HR/FB rate
by James Kannengieser on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
bad baserunning by Jerry's favorite
omir santos kind of fucked us there
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
thing with teams with little pressure
they hack. no need to throw so many strikes. this is not citi.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
Yay??
we’re not gonna win this
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
bobby will
walk the lead off guy,give up a single,hit a batter and give up the game winning hit
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he can hit
wonder if he can scoop throws at 1b
dub then Fart?
would love to se Fernando get a big hit here.
Wright has to regain momentum here
lets see some ‘leadership’
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
Frankie's K/BB
2006: 3.50
2007: 2.65
2008: 2.26
2009: 1.77
by James Kannengieser on Jul 2, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
only #906,786,380 of the year
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
wagner
can he be the closer when he comes back?
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Not that it matters...small sample size
But the Mets have never scored on Capps.
by All Shook Down on Jul 2, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought intertube spelling was...
ALL CAPPS.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 2, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!!! F! popped out
this will make the torture so much easier. Much nicer if first pirate batter homers. at least i can fiorget about game
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
I blame jerry and omar
for starting Tim Redding. I also blame K-Rod, Mr Met, the beer man, the pirate parrot and the philly phanatic
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
don't forget
Bud Selig. For being the commish
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
and the bat boy
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
i wish he took it for the team
with two men on base
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
shortened his swing
looked good again.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
or big pelf. He hits well. Or Johan
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Tatis has figured out his offensive value to the team
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
amen
good collaborative prayer, michkin
by Ballonthewall on Jul 2, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
not happening. someone takes his 96 MPH fastball and jacks it
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Hey if Nick Evans gets on if church gets on then Omir will save the day.
And play everyday for 2 weeks
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Just a single, Ryan
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
RYAN!!!!!!!!!!
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
I love seeing that!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Mine says "In play, run(s)???". Even Gameday is shocked.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
lol
+1
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON't BRING PARNELL IN
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
no choice
k-rod thrown too many pitches.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, ryan, my man
how let’s knock you in for a 2 run lead
...who's stunk for his last 100 pitches?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Who's pitching the 10th?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Gotta come back to Krod
if he starts f’n up, then have Parnell ready.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
This is the right move
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Jesus
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Can't believe this game is still on
I started listening on the radio during lunch – just walked in the front door to see Ryan knock in Tatis. Can we finally nail this thing down?
Church being clutch
begs for come kind of Name + “clutch” mash-up, but there’s just nothin’ doin’.
Clurtch? Yuck.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
I just love clutchiness
and silly names.
I’ll think of something.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
3 pirate fans with their nonsense
k-rod chant. getting boring.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
Oooooo, a lot of white showing on that catch
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
That's why we use two hands
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Yea
Some callup to take the place of Bastardo
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
we have 3 out of our best four
starters going
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
who else?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I meant "who"?"
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
me too
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Yo. We got Livan going Friday night.
What’s wrong with him? He’s pitched great for us this year.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
And he did celebrate lol
guy endore-kaiser (murderer) with a candlestick (weapon) on the clubhouse (place)?
yes.....this is gonna be a 50 pitch appearance
can’t see k-rod being avail tomorrow
Nice change up
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
1 MORE
Come on K-Rod UNO MAS!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
nothing hittable here, please.
don’t go santana on us
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
YES!!!!!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Why did that feel like a fucking Game 7
instead of Pirates in July
by James Kannengieser on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
cause it proves to themselves
that the mets can survive a bad pitcher outing.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Because of Tim Redding
Going less than 4 innings really fucks with everything. Especially when you give up 5 runs!
Came back from down 5. Took a 3-run lead. Blew the the lead and the bench. Then scored one more and shut it down for the W!
What a win!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
PIITB!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Ever win, along with every Philly loss, should be cherished
…. another tick off the clock until the troops come back from the sick ward.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Yes!!! That would have been such a brutal, brutal, brutal loss
by guy endore-kaiser on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
.500!!!!!
Is it wrong to be excited about this? Ah, screw it.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Gotta play him every day
whether in right or center field.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
better body language recently
i wonder if he is getting worried about the Holliday rumors.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What Holliday rumors?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
something coming from the reds
walt suggesting that they would have little chance of getting holliday if oakland decide to move him because the mets would be in pole position.
so there may have been some preliminary talks.
by Outside Observer on Jul 2, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
K-Rod threw as many pitches today as i would ideally have him pitch in a week. Yo Wagner and Putz.. its time for you to come back.
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