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"Mets-Jays trade report (Jays offered Doc for Martinez, Tejada, Niese, Parnell) is bogus. Shot down by multiple sources." - Klaw

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Hmmmm....

Is Keith Law doing his old Blue Jay buddies a solid by shooting down a rumored deal that is less than what was the asking price was thought to be?

Ah, Conspiraracy thoeries.

If this is true, I like the way Omar handled it with the “No comment” (even though he is a functioning retard). That deal was pretty good value for the players that we had involved.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 20, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea no way that'd be true

it’s up there with Heilman, Guerra, Endy or whatever for Bedard

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 21, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

back when Bedard was good

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 21, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

These Rumors better be false for Omar's sake

That trade would basically give the Mets Halladay.

Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 21, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

your opnion

doesn;t make it fact. It would be a tough call but I think no would be the right decision.

by Endys Game on Jul 21, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Mets traded F!, Niese, Parnell and Tejada for Halladay

they wouldn’t “basically” have Halladay, they’d have Halladay.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

my guess

I think the All-Greek Mr. Kabbadi, in his inimitably telegraphic way, meant “basically give,” as in he for some reason thinks the deal would be a steal or a virtual giveaway.

by anonymous on Jul 21, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hesitate to get in on this discussion for one reason

Its just not an easy call, any way you slice it. In the one sense, giving up a combined 12 years of service time for players who seem pretty likely to be, at the very least, reasonably productive major leaguers (Fernando, Niese), four or five years of service time for a decent relief arm (Parnell), and an interesting plus defensive SS prospect, seems somewhat ludicrous in any deal. But there’s just no way to quantify the market value of a guy like Halladay. You almost never see more than two pitchers of this quality hit the market, be it FA or trade, in a calendar year, and often you see just one or zero. Even if you have to bring him in and sign him to a market value contract, there’s no standard to compare an acquisition like this to, its essentially concentrated winnage.

If I had to take a stance, I’d say the relative cost for Halladay minus the relative savings you get with F! and Niese and Parnell doesn’t justify making this kind of trade. Payroll is still a problem for this team, whether we like it or not. If the payrolls for this year and next year were more in the $110-120 million range it’d be a tough call, but they’re not looking that way. The healthiest thing this organization could do for itself right now is conserve resources, take low cost risks, and spend their money prudently enough to marginalize their risk with the high cost moves, not add to it.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think you summed it up very well here

by TheBigStapler on Jul 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'm on board with everything you say here.

I see the argument on both sides of this Halladay rumor, and I think it’d be a tough call for exactly the reasons you give — cost-controlled young talent is just as hard to replace as expensive star pitching. I think on balance I’m about where you are, too, that it seems like a bit too big a risk on one player for an already very top-heavy team, which could honestly use a number of cheap and okay players with upside, more than it needs That One Guy to put it “over the top.” I just think characterizing it as a screaming buy or an obvious steal is a silly claim.

by anonymous on Jul 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, exactly

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What swings me in the other direction

is F!‘s injury history. There’s already the risk inherent in any 20 year old prospect, no matter how good, that he might not make it. The fact that he has been oft-injured just increases the chance that he might never become a cost controlled stud or above average player. Not a reason to put him on the market or to give up on him, but something that pushes this trade into the “do it” column for me.

And even though Mets fans have some valid argument against the trade, I’m not surprised that it turned out to be a bogus rumor, because the Jays can surely do better.

by Mount17 on Jul 21, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without Drabek

Can they really do better? Who else is giving up a better package than this?

The injury history for F! is troubling. But even if you say there’s a 10% chance he becomes a superstar, a 25% chance he becomes J.D. Drewish (productive but oft injured), a 35% chance he becomes a solid regular, a 25% chance he becomes an oft injured unspectacular player, and a 5% chance he becomes worthless, with no financial cost this is still a valuable commodity.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 22, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree that F! is valuble

he’s just value I would give up for Halladay. Throw in Mejia or Holt and that’s a different story (although I’m aware that pitchers are always injury risks).

I guess it’s possible that they can’t get more, but I know from what Keith Law has been saying that the package wasn’t close to what the Jays were looking for. Maybe they would take it as a last resort if they were determined to trade him, but it’s definitely not something they would propose to Omar at this point.

by Mount17 on Jul 22, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knowing that many of you lack Common Sense

The trade would “basically” give the Mets Halladay because the price to get Halladay is low.

Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 21, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was unnecessary.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Met roster

can anyone explain how a team can have 7 outfielders on their roster and not 1 first baseman???? As Charlton Heston once said ’It’s A MADHOUSE!"

by SteveIn on Jul 22, 2009 5:44 AM EDT reply actions  

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