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Prospect Smackdown: Jenrry Mejia vs. Kyle Drabek

(promoted from the fanposts. --eric)

Since theres currently not much to the Mets-Phillies rivalry at the major league level I thought I'd stoke the flames down below with a John Sickels-style prospect smackdown.  And there has been some Mejia v. Drabek talk here so I'll go with those two (though Brad Holt could probably fit right in).  I'll also try to be as un-biased as I possibly can here.  And hopefully this isn't considered stealing intellectual property: 

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Prospect Smackdown: Jenrry Mejia vs. Kyle Drabek

BACKGROUND and INTANGIBLES

Mejia: Jenrry Mejia was signed as a relatively unknown non-drafted FA out of the D.R. in early 2007 for (believe this or not) under $20,000.  He only began playing baseball at the age of 15, when his friends convinced him to join their daily softball games; obviously he was a natural.  He is very mature for someone who isn't even 20 and his work ethic has been universally praised.  Toby Hyde supposes its becauses "before signing, Mejia worked selling snow cones".

Drabek: Kyle Drabek was drafted by the Phillies with the 18th overall pick in 2006, out of the prestigious Woodlands HS in Texas and signed for $1.55 million.  Considered a top-5 talent he dropped due to off-field issues which as the son of Doug Drabek all pointed to a bit of silver spoon syndrome.  Being the son of a former Cy Young had its perks (Drabek worked with pitching coaches from a young age) but also had its drawbacks as he reportedly entered pro ball with quite an ego.  He also carried his HS team for years and the overuse took a toll on his arm as he had to have TJ surgery in '06 after only six pro starts.  However, since returning late last season many have noted Drabek's improved work habits and dedication.  On the mound Drabek is often fiery which can work against him at times.

ADVANTAGE: Edge to Mejia; better makeup on and off field, less injury history and much less arm abuse as an amateur.

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PHYSICALITY and TOOLS

Mejia: Mejia was born on Oct. 11, 1989, is listed at 6'0", 162 lbs and he's a righty.   He is a very good athlete with a smooth delivery (below), generating a great deal of strength despite his shorter stature.  His fastball regularly hits 97+ mph, is deceptive, exhibits late sinking movement and has been known to hit triple digits; it is a true plus pitch.  He also features a circle change with good fade and a hammer curve, both improving a great deal this season and showing plus potential.  His pitching coaches have agreed that he mixes pitches well and scouts say that Mejia is not far away from possessing 3 plus pitches.  He is still learning to command these offerings as they all move quite a bit but that movement also produces a very good amount of groundballs.  Other than a recent finger strain that is not considered serious, he has no injury history to speak of.

Clip of Mejia's Delivery

Drabek: Drabek was born on Dec. 8, 1987, is listed at 6'0" (I've also seen 5'11'), 185 lbs and he's a righty.  Drabek is an excellent athlete who stood out on both sides of the ball as an amateur.  While a bit undersized, he has a strong pitcher's build and utilizes a relatively smooth drop-and-drive delivery (below).  He works off of his mid 90's fastball which he can dial up to 97 mph and complements it with his notoriously nasty spike curveball which he throws in the high 70's with excellent command.  He also throws a changeup but this is currently a show-me pitch.  Drabek underwent TJ surgery following his '06 campaign but has come back extremely strong, seemingly solving his previous command issues.

Clip of Drabek's Delivery (it says Lance Broadway for some reason but its Drabek) 

ADVANTAGE:  They are quite similar here; both very athletic, shorter righties with good mechanics, blazing heat and hard curves.  You probably have to rate Mejia's FB better due to the added velocity and sink but Drabek's curve based on his command of the pitch.  Both are still working on their changeups.  Slight edge to Drabek based on more advanced secondary offering.

PERFORMANCE and SKILLS

Mejia: Mejia sports a career minor league mark of 9-6, 2.70 with a 135/51 K/BB in 143.2 innings.  That translates to a 8.2 K/9, a 3.2 BB/9 and a 0.4 HR/9.  After dominating Hi-A to the tune of a 1.97 era to begin '09, Mejia currently resides in the AA Eastern League where he is facing batters 3-4 years his senior in only his second full season.  He has been solid in Double-A thus far: 24/9 K/BB in 21.2 innings, 3.74 ERA.  And while he has had a bit more trouble with Double-A hitters (due in part to a .387 BABIP) and his walk rate has jumped up a tick, his stuff remains as electric as ever as evidenced by the 10.0 K/9, his .7 HR/9 and his persisting groundball tendencies (58.5% in '09).

Drabek: Drabek entered 2009 with a career mark of 17-9, 3.57 with a 194/84 K/BB in 232 innings, translating to a 7.5 K/9, a 3.3 BB/9 and a 0.6 HR/9.  However, in his first full season back from TJ Drabek is breaking out in a big way:  He began the season by killing the Hi-A FSL with a 2.48 ERA and 74 k's in 61.2 innings.  Like Mejia, Drabek was called up to the Double-A Eastern League at the start of June and has kept on rolling, currently sporting a 3.12 ERA.  Drabek has had a bit more trouble with more advanced hitters, watching most of his major ratios decline following the promotion including his K/9 dropping down to 6.5.  However, he's managed to avoid major trouble by keeping his walks down which is a theme following his surgery; however he shows much higher flyball tendencies than Mejia with only 44.4% groundballs in '09.

ADVANTAGE: Drabek's newfound ability to throw more strikes is a big factor here though Mejia offsets those concerns with a better K rate, more groundballs and fewer home runs.  Draw.

PROJECTION

Mejia: Mejia projects as a fireballing front of the rotation starter with a chance to become a true ace if his curve/change continue to improve and he continues to keeps his walks under control.  He seems to fit the same mold as Ubaldo Jimenez, though at a much younger age.  His impressive performance at an incredibly young age especially considering his lack of experience gives good reason to believe that he could be on the fast track to stardom.

Drabek: Like Mejia, Drabek is a future front of the rotation pitcher and depending on his ability to incorporate that change he can range from a Brett Myers-type to a true ace in the mold of a Yovani Gallardo.

ADVANTAGE: This one is a draw; if everything works out these guys will both be studs, locking into pitching duels for years to come.  Neither has much farther to come in order to reach his potential.

SUMMARY

John Sickels rated both Mejia and Drabek Grade C+ to start 2009 but both were very conditional; Drabek coming back from TJ and Mejia because of age/inexperience.  Both grades are likely to jump in the midseason reports.  Baseball America's Mid-Season Top 25 had Drabek at #24 with Mejia seemingly fitting into the 25-30 range. 

The verdict?  Its close at this point; both are great athletes with similar stuff, Drabek has the slight edge in current skills, Mejia has the edge in makeup/intangibles.  But if I can handpick one of them to begin my farm system I take Mejia and the determining factor here is age.  Both pitchers are a handful of starts into their Double-A careers in the very same league, both putting up equally impressive stats yet Drabek is two years Mejia's senior.  The kind of performance Mejia is putting up against very advanced hitters as a teenager, in only his second full season, only his fourth year playing baseball (!), its incredible.  Now this is just a matter of taste, many might go for the slightly more advanced, less raw pitching prospect and try to cut out some of the risk involved.  Either way, both pitchers are top of the line prospects who figure to shoot to the top of prospect rankings by years end. 

Poll
Objectively, Mejia or Drabek?
Jenrry Mejia
240 votes
Kyle Drabek
84 votes

324 votes | Poll has closed

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But...but...

the Mets farm system SUCKS! Mike Francesca told me so!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I chose Mejia

Age was the main factor, but he looks like he has a much smoother, less stressful delivery. Drabek just looks like he could continue to be prone to injury; he’s almost all arm as he pitches.

Great piece, by the way.

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Jul 25, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

nothing against drabek

but i’m voting mejia

"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"

by psuwxman on Jul 25, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Mejia

Didnt Drabek have serious arm surgery recently? Ouch.

Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I would scream "selection bias"

but Mejia has 4 of 9 votes on the Good Fight as well.

by Zwill on Jul 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Very similar tRA's in AA at differen't ages

I tried to be objective, and I gotta go Mejia. I still don’t trust myself, I recently hung a poster of Mejia that said “NAILS” right above my bed.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Mejia

Drabek’s throwing motion looks uncomfortable and somewhat forced at times; Mejia’s delivery looks very polished by comparison

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jul 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Good

Terrible decision by the Phillies IMO. They slugged their way around it last year, but if they don’t make a move to bring someone of a decent caliber in, they are not getting out of the NL.

Pedro unfortunately does not count.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But given their position in the standings

they’re pretty close to a lock to win the East. That means that adding Halladay affects at most one or two starts in the NLDS plus an additional two or three in the NLCS and WS. Since the Phils’ playoff staff figures to be Hamels, Happ, Blanton and Pedro/Moyer, Halladay likely replaces the Pedro/Moyer component of that rotation. If we project Pedro/Moyer as roughly 5.00-5.25 FIP guys for the rest of the season (which is less optimistic than Zips and other projection systems), they’re basically replacement-level starters, whereas Halladay has been worth between 2-2.5 runs over replacement per start during the last two seasons. If we aggressively state that he’s worth 2.5 runs/start and makes six starts in the playoffs, he provides a 15 run boost over Pedro/Moyer.

In my view, mortgaging the future to try to pick up 15 runs is not a good idea. It would be smarter to attempt to make up those 15 runs with guys like Bastardo and Carrasco in a very deep pen during the playoffs. If it doesn’t work out, they still have a strong rotation in the next few years with Hamels, Carrasco, Bastardo and Drabek. Plus Utley, Werth and Victorino will still be in their primes and Howard, Ibanez and Rollins will likely still be 2-4 win players. If they can upgrade at 3B, C or both, they suddenly look like a 100 win team.

by Zwill on Jul 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In short...

It’s not about winning the East this year. A 15 run boost in the playoffs can easily be the difference between flaming out in the NLDS and winning a World Series. Adding Halladay to the rotation with their offense probably makes them a favorite to repeat, not to mention a prohibitive favorite in the East next year.

With the construction of their roster, this move adds to their viability more than any move that any club could make for 1 player in this market.

I can certainly see not wanting to mortgage the future and I realize that their “core” is not all that old, but look at where we are now. Success is fleeting and sometimes you need a “strike while the iron is hot” mentality.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but more likely than not, it won't make a difference

the phillies might now have a 15% chance of winning the WS instead of a 13% chance. the playoffs are a crapshoot.

by T Pac on Jul 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that perspective

but they just won the World Series and did so with one of the worst rotations for a Series winner in recent memory. Their situation is not analogous to the Mets, specifically because they just won the Series.

by Zwill on Jul 25, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to see them make the same mistake the Mets made

Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't...those reports were fabricated

I personally think that the package that is in the ESPN story (Happ, Drabek and Brown) is worse than what we were reported to be giving up.

Drabek is no sure thing coming off of Tommy John, Happ is living on borrowed time and his peripherals indicate that he is due for a sharp decline and Brown is a nice prospect with good upside. I’d say that isn’t too much to give up for a year and a half of Halladay and 2 draft picks on the back end when you are competing for a title.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope the reports about Halladay to the Mets were fabricated

But I do not know who to believe anymore.

Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drabek

I was at the futures game, and I saw everything Sickels saw. Drabek has a very clean looking and fluid motion now – apparently the Phillies completely revamped his motion after TJ, and it seems to have worked. He’s very athletic as well: there was a 4 hour rain delay, and during it, Drabek and Mat Latos went out and threw a frisbee-ish object around in the OF. He looked rather competent.

Meija’s youth vs. level is obviously better, but I just don’t get a great feeling from him. Call it Mets pessimism, but I just like Drabek more.

David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.

by wrightHOF on Jul 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

will all mets prospects report to the dominican baseball academy

for the annual throwing of the frisbee-ish object

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 25, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

frisbee-ish things

i am actually an avid fan of frisbee esque activities. anyone else here disc golf? if so, anyone else wanna try out for the mets with me?

by njk237 on Jul 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i say frisbee-ish

because it was one of those floppy open ended donut things I don’t know the name for.

David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.

by wrightHOF on Jul 26, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Mets pessimism" is not a legitimate counter argument.

That said, I understand your “Drabek’s improved mechanics” argument. That would move him up closer to Mejia in my eyes, but Mejia still should have the advantage.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 25, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about

I trust Drabek’s 60 innings of solid work at AA more than I trust Mejia’s 20?

Actually, anyone know why Mejia only throws 5 innings a start? Most likely they’re just limiting his innings because of his age, but I wonder if he gets taken out after 75 pitches, or 100. Makes a difference. Drabek is averaging around 7 innings a start, for reference.

I don’t think Mejia’s a bad prospect at all, I just think Drabek’s a little better. It’s obviously very close.

David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.

by wrightHOF on Jul 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mejia isn't being taken out after 100.

I went to one of his games. He was still throwing 96 on his fastball when he was taken out.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 26, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I’m just glad at least one of ems in our system.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I voted Drabek

because he’s closer to the bigs and has a solid track record. More “projectable” is the term, I suppose. Mejia is impressive, but he’s far away and there are so many things that can go wrong in the next few years for him that at this moment, I’d go with Drabek.

OTOH, Mejia’s lack of experience is one of the things I find appealing about him. No little league, high school or college coaches have had a chance to abuse his arm, which has very few pitching miles on it. Reminds me of the (perhaps apocryphal) tale that military drill instructors prefer recruits who have never before handled a gun; no opportunity to acquire bad habits.

by madisonmetsfan on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Up up up up up upside....

I went with Mejia because he’s younger, throws harder, gets more GB’s, fewer HR’s and more K’s.

I do feel, however, that I’ve been underrating Drabek a bit.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Jul 27, 2009 4:04 AM EDT reply actions  

home run ratio

to be fair, Drabek has given up 3 homers in 60.2 AA innings, Mejia 2 in 21.2 AA innings. Neither of them gave up any homers in 61.2 (drabek) or 50.1 (mejia) A+ innings. So that’s at least a wash.

David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.

by wrightHOF on Jul 27, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I brain farted with the HR thing. I think I meant to say something like “Mejia will give up fewer home runs in the future b/c of his GB tendencies” or something.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drabek pitched in the futures game, which had Pitch f/x cameras

I took a look at him and some others here:

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/7/16/951222/futures-game-pitch-f-x

He only threw 10 pitches, but showed a very good fastball (93-96 MPH) and a had almost perfectly vertical break on his slider/curve. Again, 10 pitches, but his stuff looked amazing. \

Meijia didn’t pitch in the game unfortunately.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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