Series Win Applesauce - Reyes the power hitter, Mets gurus, Francoeur doesn't walk, Philly fans
Wow, a series win. It's been so long. I've missed that feeling. Plus, I got to see a young Met pitcher throw a great game. It's like I died and went to Heaven... Ok, that's probably overstating a relatively minor accomplishment, but I'll take what I can get at this point.
Meet the Mets
Mets Geek pines for some stability within the organization. Omar Minaya hasn't provided that?
Hot Foot is ready to give up on Fernando Martinez because power hitting outfielders are easy to come by. Why is that they're so easy to come by, but the Mets never seem to have one (besides Beltran, of course)?
The Mets have put Gary Sheffield on the disabled list to make room for Jonathan Niese. Rumor is that Sheffield is not injured, however.
Itsmetsforme took some pictures of his trip to Minute Maid Park.
Buster Olney says the Mets are victims to the guru culture. Who in their right minds, besides the Wilpons, considers Tony Bernazard a guru?
Billy Wagner is actually really important to the Mets, not necessarily as a reliever, but as free agent bait.
Tobi Stoner was solid last night, earning him the Baseball America Prospect Pitcher of the Day award. Ike Davis and Wilmer Flores are also getting noticed by BA.
Jeff Francoeur's job is to drive in runs, not walk.
Rickey says that Jose Reyes tried too hard at being a power hitter. Howard Johnson says his team is just not good enough.
Angel Pagan is on an 8 game hitting streak.
Around the NL East
Congratulations to Shane Victorino, inductee to the Hall of Hate. He does help to set the table.
The Phillies' pursuit of Roy Halladay continued over the weekend,with their latest offer getting rejected. Should Halladay fall through, there's always Cliff Lee.
Pedro Martinez pitched in a rehab game, but was cut short due to a rain delay.
Bizofbaseball.com takes a look at the new Miami stadium.
Around the NL East
I couldn't stop smiling at this rendition of the National Anthem.
Maybe the curveball isn't so bad for young pitchers. Does this mean that they're going to stop throwing change-ups?
The LA Times talks with Vin Scully about the old days.
Hank Aaron gave a Hall of Fame endorsement to Pete Rose.
Philadelphia News
I'm resurrecting this old segment because this story is just too easy. At least the Philadelphia Daily News is critical of Philly fans.
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Jeff Francoeur's job is to be the savior
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/07/jeff-francoeur-is-just-what-the-mets-needed.html
I’m debating whether to make an entire post responding to this.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
I remember you were a bit negative on the move (understatement)
Have you changed your mind? even slightly?
by Outside Observer on Jul 27, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
umm wow
that post is incredibly bad. please write a rebuttal, Sam.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 27, 2009 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i've even re-read it to give it a second chance
i hate humanity.
by Pat Andriola on Jul 27, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Small sample and it's pretty insignificant
but Fangraphs has Church at 2.7 RAR since becoming a Brave, Francoeur at 0.8 RAR since becoming a Met.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 27, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Batting runs
To be fair, all the article seemed to be looking at was batting, and from Fangraphs’ Batting runs:
Francoeur: 0.4
Church: -0.6
Seems like Church’s defense has been worth a lot as a Brave.
It's only worth a lot because the Braves are actually playing him.
by Matthew Artus on Jul 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And maybe the fact that FanGraphs is using the Shea Stadium data for players becaus ethere is no CitiField data
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I don't know, I think this debate is pretty much exhausted
At least it is on the level of discourse found in that article.
by TheBigStapler on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
A comment to the post represents what I think this is the biggest problem with the "Stats" community
I cannot believe I could actually get dumber from reading a baseball article (well, it claims to be one), but that just happened.
Here are some that take the cake:
"There is a contingency in our fanbase that would have rather seen Francoeur walk instead of driving a dramatic three run homer that traveled over 425 feet. They would prefer to see less hits and more walks."
There is not one logical Met fan that would rather see a walk than a homerun. However, walks are essential to getting on base. Walks are important. I cannot stress this enough.
"But here we have a bona fide slugger whocan drive in runs, and yet so many would prefer to take the bat right out of his hands. "
I am going to stop right here. I was going to do a long, FJM-esque post about how dumb you are, but you do it yourself. I have some guess I want to throw out there:
You have a low IQ and/or have a low-end educational background(I’d love to hear what college you went to)
You are not intelligent. You are very, very dumb.
"I am so glad that Francoeur’s 100 RBI bat is now an integral part of our lineup. And if we do manage to win a wild card this season, you can be sure that it never would have happened without Francoeur.
If we do in fact make the post season, the Jeff Francoeur trade will be known as the turning point in the Mets season. In fact, I believe it already is.
Lead the way Frenchy!"
This is why this website sucks. You are a clown.
This is why there is a “Stats vs Scouts” battle. Whether or not the author of the post is incorrect, it took him time to write out his post, so if you want to debate the point of his post, it’s not best to question his intelligence and his college background. (Like the latter even matters, my father is a MTA driver on the upper west side and is much smarter man than me, his master degree holding son.) This immediately puts the author on the defensive, which anyone would be, and makes the commentator look incredibly pretentious and smug. It would be better to point that slugging is arguably worth three times less the obp or point to Ryan Church’s superior defense anything while avoiding the petty name calling and the appearance of talking down to someone.
Yeah, I agree
That part was childish. I understand the frustration, but yeesh…
by Pat Andriola on Jul 27, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
I see this as more of a problem with the “Jerks” community. Of course spiteful ad hominems are dumb and pointless, and of course pissing about other people’s educational background is ridiculous and makes this poster look like a complete status-obsessed asshole. But what does this have to do with whether sabermetrics are useful?
I think that the average fan views the "jerk"
as representitive of the “saber” community as a whole. I’m not making a comment about sabermetrics being useful at all rather making a observation why there is such a divide.
From texts from last night
" (732): They say rihanna has been dating several mets players. They go on to say that she feels safe with them because they can’t beat anybody. "
I lol’d, then cried.
Also Sheff's not injured but we put him on the dl
for what reason? To avoid parting ways with the wonderman Fernando Tatis? And of all the people in baseball how does Bernazard become our “guru” what did he do before Omar gave him a job he wasn’t qualified for… and what did we do to deserve him?
high draft picks??
high draft picks!
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
sad
I don’t care what city it’s in. People losing their lives over brawls at baseball games? Scary.
batting helmets. batting titles. obp.
Just like we were ready to give up on Kazmir, right?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
here in Houston
the local news had an item about a game in Philly this week being delayed when they had to find the fan using a laser pen or mirror to distract the visiting batters. I guess all the dying overshadows that but, those Philly fans, sheesh. Winning doesn’t become them.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
I moved to just outside Philly not too long ago. Actually one of my first years living out here was when the Eagles made the Super Bowl. They would still hate Reid and McNabb one week and love him the next. There is nothing quite as funny as listening to a Philly sports show. They hate EVERYONE.
yes, sheesh.
Trying to disrupt the game from the seats is a jerk move. However, I still want them to make John Rocker Battery Day a yearly celebration at New Shea.
theres no point in debating whether francoeur was a good move or not
this season is screwed anyway. let the unenlightened revel in frenchy grission and fire under ass igniting capabilities. i will be rooting for wincouer for purely ironical reasons. awful former braveitutde aside, he is now a met and i am sick of giving a crap about how we can salvage the season when its day after day of JV scrubstitutes. we can’t, we blew it. so who cares. heres my new prediction:
FRANCOUER IS A REAL CHAMPION OF MEN WHO WILL DRAG THE METS KICKING AND SCREAMING INTO THE PLAYOFFS WITH THE STRENGTH OF HIS BALLS. HIS POWERFUL MIGHTY BALLS OF STEEL. TOUCHDOWN METS.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jul 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
this sounds about right.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean chamption
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i'm recing everything you say from now on
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

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