Omar Minaya Attacks Adam Rubin Of The NY Daily News
In his press conference addressing the Tony Bernazard firing, Omar Minaya made a very explicit insinuation that Adam Rubin of the Daily News, who first broke the story of Bernazard's tantrums against Mets' minor leaguers, had an ulterior motive. Minaya stated that Rubin had lobbied for a job in the Mets organization. As user dcrockett17 pointed out, Rubin seemed to be the source of all the anti-Bernazard material, but regardless, this call-out looks like a seriously bad move by Minaya. Whether or not Rubin had another motive, Minaya is creating unnecessary controversy and definitely risking his job.
Rubin allegedly called Minaya "despicable" during the press conference and said he only inquired with Fred Wilpon about how to break into the industry. He went on to say, "I don’t know how I’m going to cover the team now… To make this type of accusation is obscene." He'll be on SNY at 5:30 EST according to Metsblog.com. (I won't get to see it, so update in the comments if you can).
Eric's got the partial transcript of the press conference on the way.
Transcription-y Update: Here is a transcript of part of the video post at SNY.tv. This is verbatim, so assume that all linguistic anomalies are Minaya-ese.
Omar Minaya: Once the reports came out, you know, of course we had to expedite more the investigation. Early in the process, early in the process, when the reports came out, I had to kind of tell myself, "Wow, these things are coming out." And I say this because coming from Adam Rubin, okay, and Adam, you gotta understand this, Adam, for the past couple of years, has lobby for a player development position. He has lobby myself, he has lobby Tony. So when these things came out I was kind of a little bit, I had to think about it. And I was a little bit, you know, somewhat, kind of, we gotta find out about this. We really have to do a thorough investigation of this.
<snip>
Adam Rubin: Is what you're alleging that I tried to tear Tony down so I could take his job? Is that what you're saying?
Omar Minaya: No, no, I'm not saying that. All I'm saying was, that I know that when you wrote the reports, but I am saying, that in the past, you have, have lobby for a player, for a for a job...
Adam Rubin: If I were interested in working in player development somewhere in the major leagues at some point in my life, how did that impact this situation at all?
Omar Minaya: I said, because, when the reports came out a lot of these things were cross... I said "Who's writing these reports?" and I said well okay who's writing the reports and in the back of my mind, Adam, you have told me you have told other people in the front office that you want to work for player development in the front office.
Adam Rubin: So what you're alleging is that.. the only conclusion I can draw from that is that you're trying to allege that I tried to tear everyone down so that I could take their position. Is that what you're saying?
Omar Minaya: Adam...
Adam Rubin: It seems pretty despicable to say that.
<snip>
Omar Minaya: Look, was Tony the most-liked person in the world? No, he was not. We know that. And Marty, and you've been around baseball a long time, and there's a lot of people that are not sometimes we don't like, ahh, and, you know, and they're, they've been good baseball people. But, you know, I could tell you that he may, was he the most more-liked person in the world? No. Was he a good baseball person? Yes.
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Smooth move Omar
So after firing Bernazard, you could easily use this PC to move on from this distraction and create a smoother relationship with the NY media. At least that’s what any GM with a clue about PR would do. Instead, you come across as defending Bernazard by accusing Rubin of digging up dirt for his own benefit, and basically create an entirely new and damaging distraction. I want to say unbelievable, but sadly it’s to the point where it’s almost expected.
by carmine_riccardi on Jul 27, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubin
inquired of the Wilpons how to break into the industry? Hmm. I’m not sure if that was s smart move by him. Not that it isn’t the way people go about changing fields. But it doesn’t exactly help him in his current role covering the tem owned by the Wilpons.
Maybe he could have just asked for John Henry’s number or something.
Anyway, this soap opera sure is entertaining.
Do I have this right, Omar insinuate’s that Rubin had an ulterior motive for slagging on Bernazard so he fires Bernazard?
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea looks that way
I haven’t watched the presser yet
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that it's weird of Rubin to ask the owners of the team he's supposed to be objectively covering
about how to break into the industry. Rubin is no saint here.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 27, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only positive thing about this press conference is
that it almost surely will lead to the end of Omar Minaya
by Syler on Jul 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FINGERS CROSSED
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar is now going to have to defend himself
I don’t see that going well.
by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minaya is FINSHED!!!!
One problem and sometimes benefit with Wilpon is that he’s a big PR person. Judging by this, Minaya was ORDERED by Wilpon to can this guy.
Minaya, obviously not having gotten the message, makes the same blunder attacking a member of the press. News to Minaya, you just screwed yourself. Wether or not a motive was invloved on the part of the writer does not change the fact that Bernarazed was a raging lunatic.
Minaya is gonna get eaten alive by the press. Wilpon is gonna can this guy.
by Chickendirt on Jul 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubin is a 100% dbag though
hopefully he is gone too, along with omar and jerry
by T Pac on Jul 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I’ve seen a lot of negativity toward Rubin here and elsewhere – just curious as to why. I generally find his reporting to be pretty decent and thorough, especially compared to the cliches about grission that generally dominate the MSM coverage of the Mets.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with Rubin
I just find it odd if he was talking to Wilpns about how to break in. Doesn’t mean he was wrong about Bernazard. But if true, and maybe Omar shouldn’t have said it, Omar would have been neglectful not to at least consider the source.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that if Rubin spoke to the Wilpons about breaking in, it would be odd and probably unprofessional. I was reacting to the “dbag” comment and a thread I was reading on Metsgeek where people were ripping Rubin a new one, and I just found it surprising.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you prefer Butt Hubbuck or Cave Lennon?
Rubin is the only guy on the Mets’ beat worth reading.
by All Shook Down on Jul 27, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he got it right about Bernazard
The Mets did their investigation, just like Omar said numerous times last week, and the investigations apparently showed that Bernazard was at fault. If the investigations proved otherwise, then the Mets (i.e. the Wilpons) would not have fired him. And make no mistake about it folks, the Wipons are pulling all the strings around here.
And don’t be surprised if we ultimately find out that it was Jeff Wilpon who told Omar to take that shot at Rubin. Wilpon’s been telling Omar what to say from day one on this whole mess. Omar’s press conference last week was all Jeff Wilpon telling him what, and what not, to say. Like you said, Jeff’s a PR guy … and we all know how PR guys like to blame the media for everything.
Now, I gotta go walk the dog.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on Jul 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't have it both ways
The lack of anything resembling PR skills, for a GM of a team in New York, is mind-boggling. Whether Rubin’s reporting of the Binghamton incident was completely accurate or whether it was blown out of proportion, Omar decided to fire Bernazard in large part because of reporting done by Rubin. So, that means that regardless of whether or not Rubin has a vendetta against Bernazard and/or a (highly speculative) conflict of interest, the Mets believed that his reporting on Bernazard was generally accurate and acted accordingly. If they thought the incident didn’t warrant a firing, then they shouldn’t have fired Bernazard. There’s no way of reading what Minaya said as anything but a cheap-shot at a reporter he doesn’t like, and that’s inexcusable and inexplicable and will only worsen his problems.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They fired McIlvaine
because he didn’t have the “skill-set” to deal with the media.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then he went and found Santana in Venezuela...
Ugh
by metsman07 on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he musta been
hanging out at the nude beaches McIlvaine supposedly liked to frequent.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this season just got a whole lot more interesting
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
maybe omar can also shoot some bleach filled water guns at the press
and throw some lit firecrackers at them too. those moves seemed to have worked well in the past.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jul 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Omar is done
He won’t last out the season. I can’t wait to see the Daily News and the rest of the NY media rip Omar. Everything that goes wrong with the Mets: Omar’s fault.
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
by firejerrynow on Jul 27, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only thing Omar can do is
Distract people! Crazy trade time!
Wright and Mejia for Halladay and we pay all of Wight’s salary.
by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
if we knew for sure that Wright was now always a 10 HR hitter with an .850 OPS…
and Halladay was 5 years younger.
and mejia blew out his shoulder.
maybe.
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
by wrightHOF on Jul 27, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Minaya: Once the reports came out, you know, of course we had to expedite more the investigation. Early in the process, early in the process, when the reports came out, I had to kind of tell myself, “Wow, these things are coming out.” And I say this because coming from Adam Rubin, okay, and Adam, you gotta understand this, Adam, for the past couple of years, has lobby for a player development position. He has lobby myself, he has lobby Tony. So when these things came out I was kind of a little bit, I had to think about it. And I was a little bit, you know, somewhat, kind of, we gotta find out about this. We really have to do a thorough investigation of this
That’s waht I meant in the other thread…….he couldn’t get the words out…….I actually think he was trying to give Rubin credit and tied himself into a knot………..
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that was his intent
but made me double-take definitely. It’s not like him wanting a job would make him MORE credible. there’s only one way he could have meant that. Just more poor Omar english
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah-- it's weird
“he has lobby Tony.” so maybe it’s like, Rubin was friendly with the two of them, even asking for advice, and so if Rubin’s reporting it, it must be serious.
who the hell knows. forget a GM who considers stats— how about one who can speak English?
by jasondg on Jul 27, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better command of English....
I’m an immigrant myself, and I know lots of people “just off the boat”, who have better command of the language than Omar…….
Sure……..he knows all the words, but he can’t put them in any kind of logical sequence to form sentences or ( God forbid ), put forth a coherent statement.
You know what I’m sayin’ ?
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like sammy sosa ish
or it would if he didn’t talk like that all the time. it makes for great (and really frustrating) grandstanding on the questions, though.
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
by wrightHOF on Jul 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you watch the video,
you’ll see that there’s no way Omar was trying to say anything positive. He started out with a little smirk, and there’s no question he was taking an antagonistic posture. Watch the video and you’ll see what I mean.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That is astounding. That is a conversation Omar should have had off-the-record. That’s no way to ‘work the refs’.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
omar said investigation 6 times in his announcement of firing Bernazard.
He also said Human Resources investigated. There’s a HR on the Mets>
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
by firejerrynow on Jul 27, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A study in contrasts
There’s a nice little article in last week’s SI on advances in baserunning stats (using Carl Crawford as the hook):
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1158164/index.htm
There are some good quotes in there from Andrew Friedman and other front-office reps – as well as coaches – from teams that are actually paying attention to these and other advanced statistical methodologies. And all I could think of while reading it was, “Could I ever picture Omar talking about this stuff?” And now I’m reminded that our front office is focusing on reporters with imaginary agendas instead of, you know, making the team better.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
This whole thing is schadenfreudelicious, but if the Mets are ever going to build a truly good baseball team around their superstar core, they’ll be needing some adult supervision. By grownup people who know that analyzing all data as intelligently as possible is how you run any big organization.
by anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for "schadenfreudelicious"
I’m definitely going to use that one sometime
by JoshNY on Jul 27, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same reaction
reading the Times piece on the new ways to evaluate defense using cameras installed at ballparks. It mentioned that many teams were hesitant to talk about it because they’ve been discussing ways that they could use this new technology and wanted to be secretive about their ideas. My reaction was, “I can’t imagine that the Mets are talking about this.”
by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fiction: what Omar tried to say, but couldn't
“The reports came out and we had to investigate.
Who made those reports? Adam Rubin.
But years ago, Rubin asked about how to break into the industry.
So we have to take that into account when investigating.
After the investigation, we found out those reports were true. The fact that it was Adam Rubin who reported had no influence since several other sources confirmed his story."
by Michkin on Jul 27, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he shouldnt have
Said rubins name at all. That was his greatest mistake.
by mets81 on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
The bear writers are gonna tear Minaya a new asshole for this.
This is gonna be a feast!!!
by Chickendirt on Jul 27, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets.com is oblivious to the whole thing.....
like it never happened…………
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeeahhh...
that’s where I went first. How bizarre is that? Nothing at all on Mets.com
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Omar wanted to bring Rubin down a peg
He’s angry that Tony B’s incident came to light, angry that Rubin (a Minaya critic) broke the story, and angry that it’s further embarrassed the franchise and the Wilpons.
Rather than making this about Bernazard, he has decided to take out Rubin, or at least impugn his character by making public the fact that Rubin asked about how to get into a different line of work. It’s a simple “eff you” by Minaya and very petty.
It’s very Surprising that Rubin didn’t realize that could come back to haunt him.
It’s unprofessional that Rubin asked that of the team he’s covering. Absolutely.
by David G on Jul 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It just sounds to me like sour grapes by Omar
that his pal just got axed.
Also sounds like if it were up to Omar this guy would still be here.
by Chickendirt on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Regardless of the propriety of what Rubin did regarding looking for work in baseball (and I agree that if he asked the team he’s covering for job-seeking advice, it was unprofessional), at the end of the day, Omar put forth zero evidence that anything Rubin said was anything but true, and he vindicated Rubin’s reporting by firing Omar. So the only possible relevance here was to take a very public pot-shot at Rubin.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question is..........
if this leads to Omar being let go………who takes his place……..
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know he's an assistant, but what has he ever done.......
other than trade Church for Francoeur……….
I’m being serious……..I just don’t know.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also 'found'
Omir santos in the baltimore organization
by mets81 on Jul 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that's pretty good....
…considering that Church is absolute GARBAGE and we get Frenchy who is hitting the fuk out of the baseball right now.
by MetsGod on Jul 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many games?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone good, let's hope
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brainstorm: Season 1
First episode: Paul DePodesta is voted off for seeming too eggheady
Second episode: Kim Ng is voted off for being female
…
Finale: John Ricco defeats Bobby Valentine’s Groucho glasses (not Bobby, just the glasses) by one viewer vote
by anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just the glasses
I actually did laugh out loud at that one.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even get excited about the downfall of Omar
The Wilpons are just going to hire another stooge from within the organization to run the team. When was the last time they went outside the organization to make a hire? I don’t include Omar, he was working for MLB while running the Expos and had been running the Mets before – he was a placeholder in Montreal. They’re just going to promote Ricco or some other dope who is already part of the problem with operations within the team, and they will continue to run the team on the same bad course as they are now.
by Cox813 on Jul 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubin's follow up
http://web.sny.tv/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms://a1503.v222062.c22206.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/22206/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/22206/2009/daily/07/072709_nym_omarpresser_800.wmv.wmv&type=v_free&vid=8852&_mp=1
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome quotation from Rubin
“I can’t cover [the Mets], until they switch GM’s, obviously.”
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
How about you quit, Rubin? And then you can go get a job as a hot-dog vendor at Citifield?
by MetsGod on Jul 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Rubin kill your dog
then eat it? He’s not Wallace Matthews. Rubin is a really solid writer and a good beat guy. He’s not Bob Woodward, but that’s no reason to hate the guy.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I unrec this?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can flag it, which I did
I think it’s better to flag inane stuff like this than to respond, ultimately — it marks it as a problem without giving the poster more attention of any kind.
by anonymous on Jul 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, "Oh Snap!"
Where do you even start?
This is all Tim Marchman’s fault for saying that the Mets wouldn’t just lose, but that it would be spectacular.
My read, based on what I’ve read (didn’t see the presser) is that Omar was forced to let his boy go. He knows the Wilpons are making him walk the plank so he figured he’d take Rubin out on his way down. It was filthy.
I don’t even necessarily know that Rubin had something personal against Bernazard. I do think he was flexing his muscle on a guy he thought was vulnerable. Omar’s response was that of a man who was given your basic “either he goes or you both go” edict. He knows he’s done.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And let me just add, "wow"
Did you ever think it would go down like this? I mean, really?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jul 27, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way more fun than doubles off the Citi field wall!
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't the only writer who didn't like him
Davidoff’s Twitter:
Bernazard firing is a victory for humankind.
by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bernazard the Player
Tony was on one of my favorite teams, the 1986 indians. I am a Mets fan, but in the AL i always liked the Indians. The 1985 Indians won about 60 games but they finished above .500 in 1986, sparking a lot of calls for them as a team on the rise. They promptly fell back to 60 some odd wins in 1987.
But in 1986 Bernarzard was part of the DP combination with Julio Franco, both under 30. Bernazard went .301/.362/.456. Nice.
In addition to Bernazard and Franco, the team had Brett Butler, Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Brook Jacoby, Cory Snyder, Pat Tabler and Andre Thornton.
The “aces” were Tom Candiotti and 47 year old Phil Niekro.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bernazard could suit up tonight
and be the Mets 2nd best option for shortstop (ahead of Berroa).
by David G on Jul 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
his numbers were better than Franco that year, and Franco was on the Mets not too long ago.
MAybe it was a team thing. Mel Hall, from what I’ve read, was an absolute bastard to Bernie Williams when he was breaking in. Maybe that was how they broke in the rookies and scrubs in Tony and Mel’s day.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get Billy Beane
http://buzztap.com/
by BigEast44 on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
watching the video
when they split screen away to Rubin reacting to Omar bringing up his name, I don’t see anger. I see a kid that just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and is quickly trying to think of an excuse. Kinda.
I think there was a small little vendetta of sorts from Rubin. Not saying he fabricated the info, but he took a little too much enjoyment in reporting it, and he knows it was unprofessional.
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
by wrightHOF on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He did something that virtually no other sports reporter in New York does -
- actual investigative reporting. He spoke to people both in and outside the organization, all of whom had negative things to say about Bernazard. Unless he made up those quotes, or represented the negative disproportionately, I don’t see the problem. I agree he covered the Bernazard story with a certain amount of zeal, but I don’t mind that – that’s a reporter’s job if he feels like the people he’s covering are ignoring something that should be brought to light. The Mets organization has continued to rake in the public’s dollars despite a tremendous amount of mismanagement at the top, and Rubin targeted the Bernazard situation as one example of that. It’s a heck of lot better than the typical anti-Mets reporting in the New York press, which generally consists of “the Mets suck” or “why can’t Reyes be a winner like Jeter.”
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 27, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well.......whatever........
so…….Rubin got embarrased…….Bernazard got fired……..Minaya is probably going at the end of the season………
Still doesn’t bring us any closer to winning.
I say move on.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you please stop using ellipses?
Use complete sentences: they make your comments more readable and make you seem more intelligent by extension.
by Eric Simon on Jul 27, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Mets just took a bad situation and...
… instead of turning the page and moving in a more positive direction, actually made it worse. They keep shooting themselves in the foot. This organization is an embarrassment to all Mets fans and city of New York.
Grrrrrr.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on Jul 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matthew Cerrone?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fxcarden, u make me laugh ...
… and these days, that’s quite a feat!
by RetireNumber17 on Jul 27, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Letter from Mets.com supposedly from Minaya just showed up in my email.
Clearly written by someone else with better command of the language.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A message from Mets GM Omar Minaya
I wanted for you to hear directly from me today regarding an update on the investigation of Tony Bernazard, our Vice President of Player Development.
Prior to a series of articles published in the media, our Baseball Operations and Human Resources departments had begun looking into several matters involving Tony. Once those reports became public, we accelerated our investigation. We wanted it to be thorough and complete it as quickly as possible while still being fair to Tony. That process concluded over the weekend.
Yesterday, I met with Tony in person to have a frank conversation about what we had learned following interviews with numerous people. I also wanted for Tony to have the opportunity to give his side of the story.
After meeting with Tony, and giving a lot of thought to the facts, I came to a decision on Tony’s status which I shared with Ownership last night. My recommendation was that we needed to part ways with Tony, as his behavior in his interaction with others was inconsistent with our organization’s values. Ownership agreed with my assessment and accepted my recommendation.
I spoke with Tony this morning and informed him of my decision to terminate his employment with the Mets.
Personnel decisions are never easy. And one can’t make them without giving it a lot of thought. It’s even harder when you know someone as I do Tony. Tony and I go back a long time. He is a dedicated baseball man who loves the game, someone I like and respect, and someone who has contributed to the Mets. In the end, however, I just told him I couldn’t leave him in his position after all that had transpired.
As General Manager of the Mets, I am fully accountable for our Baseball Operations department — on and off the field — and stand by this decision.
Thank you for your ongoing support of the Mets.
Omar Minaya
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he had any brains, he would have just read this statement, and taken about 3 questions, and be done.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
that’s a solid public statement. Supports him, but acknowledges he’s made mistakes and it’s time for Tony to go, and Minaya takes responsibility. people nod, write down what he says, and no one ever cares or talks about this again.
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
by wrightHOF on Jul 27, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words "Wilpon made me do it"
by Chickendirt on Jul 27, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have pre-empted the reporters by saying something like
Look, I’m upset. He was my friend. I’m only going to take about 3 questions. We’ll talk more next week.
you know what I’m sayin’ ?
and then have Horowitz be useful for once and direct the questioning ala POTUS.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a prick move by omar
Just when think people couldn’t get any lower. He had to fire his boy, and now trying to use rubin as a distraction. He need the media would be coming after him next, so he tried to turn the attention from himself to adam. Not only disrespectful, but very disgusting.
by Abstract NYC on Jul 27, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I was Adam, I would of pull a Tony Bernazard on Omar.
by Abstract NYC on Jul 27, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that would have been soooooo good
Rubin tears off shirt, revealing hairless ivory-white chest, and challenges Omar to fight him!
by deadspy3 on Jul 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I don't get...
At the beginning of the press conference, in his opening statement to reporters, Omar basically said that HR had been looking into Bernazard before Rubin made these stories public. It was something that they were already investigating. Then he says that after Rubin’s story became public, they had to consider the source, since Rubin had been looking for a job in player development.
Well, if HR is already looking into Bernazard, why the heck does it matter that Rubin may have been looking for a job? Doesn’t the fact that HR was looking at Bernazard independent of Rubin mean that there was probably at least a degree of validity to his claims? Attacking Rubin contradicts Minaya’s own opening statement and did nothing but make himself look horrible.
by Cox813 on Jul 27, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha that's true
you’re the only one who pulled the thread. Good work. Human resources will be investigating you soon!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jul 28, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Omar's strategy of calling out Rubin "gangsta"?
Just wondering if it falls under the gangsta umbrella.
by David G on Jul 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
At the risk of being an apologist it seems like it have been blown out of proportion. It seems like Minaya was trying to say, “These allegations were written by Rubin who had lobbied for a job in the past so we had to speed up our investigatation to see if they were true.”
While it may seem to be the same think I think it is different. I think he was saying that initially there was the fear the Rubin was doing a smear job on Tony B but their investigation proved otherwise.
Omar is just such a crappy speaker.
But now it seems that the NY press will parse every single word and make this a huge distraction. Just like they do with everything.
Not giving Omar and the Mets a free pass here but it seems like business as usual in the NY press.
by blains2000 on Jul 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Okay
watched Rubin now too. What’s a little funny about that is watching him answer the same question from different guys over and over. I wonder if he has any sympathy now.
So Rubin is devastated but Glavine wasn’t?
by blains2000 on Jul 27, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
That’s what I was trying to say, but apparently I’m a crappy writer.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
I don’t think Omar was trying to praise Rubin. I think he was saying thay when he first saw Rubin’s stories he thought it was a smear job to take down Tony B due to Rubin’s interest. He wanted the investigation accelerated to see if it was a smear or not. The investigation showed that it wasn’t a smear. That’s my opinion anyway.
He never should have brought up Rubin’s name. I think he was talking off the cuff with no notes or anything anbe being too honest as to his thought process.
by blains2000 on Jul 27, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which makes no sense if HR was already investigating.
by SupT on Jul 27, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I just don’t thnk it’s as bad as it’s going to be made out to be. Otherwise he was saying that the Tony B stories were a smear job but they fired him anyway to apease the press. That’s much worse in my opinion.
by blains2000 on Jul 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Omar wants it both ways. He says he was already on top of it, HR was looking into things Tony had done. Rubin taking it public forced his hand. The dig at Rubin is just that. A dig. He wouldn’t have fired his friend without Rubin making a public issue of it. Omar wants everyone to know, including Rubin’s employer, that he was angling for a Mets job.
So he is telling the public and the Wilpon’s I was already on the case. he is telling Tony my hand was forced by this job-seeker. He is telling Rubin you cost my boy his job and me credibility, I am going to hurt you right back. But what it looks like ultimately is Bernazard would still be around, despite HR “investigations” pre-existing Rubin’s story (which are usually just to cover management’s ass for whatever they decide to do), if Rubin hadn’t pushed.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be funnier
if it was some other team.
by blains2000 on Jul 27, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, this was such a glorious day!!!
Tony B canned
Minaya attacks the press seeting himself up as the next to go.
Bobby V anounnces he is leaving his Janpanese team after this season.
All the dominoes are falling into place nicely.
And it’s still funny.
by Chickendirt on Jul 27, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby V. will never work for the Mets again.
The Wilpons will see that as a step backward.
by fxcarden on Jul 27, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season is starting to seem like Season 5 of the Wire
Adam Rubin is now the reporter “fabricating” stories to get a better job, while Tony B. plays the roll of Partlow and takes the fall, while Minaya (aka Omar) is back on the street still running things.
by David G on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar
wound up getting capped by a ten-year old…if I remember correctly.
by glennrwordman on Jul 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah, it would have
but hey, gotta take my amusement where I can get it
by JoshNY on Jul 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if anyone else has heard of Scott Ferrall, but he used to have a show and be on a few shows on SNY. I’d listen to him on the radio at night and he’d always bitch that there would be directives from the executives for everyone on the network not to say anything negative about the Jets or the Mets. Its no surprise that any media source they can’t control they will lash out at.
by WebBard on Jul 27, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but i think
that’s for all networks.I can’t remember the last time YES said something bad about the Yankees
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, though, Ted Berg seems to be able to do that.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar is sorry for bringing it up
But doesn’t regret it, and can’t seem to explain what exactly he was thinking. I’m really confused.
by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't apologize
he just apologized for doing it in public
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 27, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Omar speak correctly? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but...
To get a job like that, I would expect you to speak an proper English sentence. I know he’s hispanic, but he’s not exactly speaking like Luis Castillo, or other Latin players on the team.
by Abstract NYC on Jul 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar
Is who he is, he isn’t an Ivy League guy like Jon Daniels. He got drafted out of high school and came though baseball culture. If he makes the Mets a winner I don’t care that he’s not a public speaker.
by DoctorK16 on Jul 27, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a hell of an "if" at this point, though.
I agree with you that public speaking skills are ultimately not something I care about in a GM. But Omar’s fractured sentences are not hard to take as a sign of his fractured, blinkered thinking at this point.
by anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, for an organization that's obsessed with PR
the Mets sure suck at it.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just to take a stand against these idiots. Fuck Adam Rubin. That dirt bag can write anything he wants about anybody, fabricate anything, with no consequences, and hide behind his column. Now Omar calls him out publicly to his face and Rubin is upset? This is what douche bags like Adam Rubin do for a living, now my man is all apalled when somebody calls him out on something like this? Omar is pissed. His boy got fired because Rubin railroaded him and now he finds out this little scum bag is trying to get a job in player development? Fuck that, fuck Adam Rubin, and way to go Omar, calling him out on this shit. Even if it gets you fired, good for you.
Omar seems like a very likeable guy, I know he is a good scout, and I really want him to win. I give him one more year and I want to see two things. 1) Does Omar learn from his mistakes in the last couple of years about depth. Depth wasn’t the issue this year, I don’t care what kind of depth you have, you don’t replace what the Mets lost with any kind of “depth”. However, it did bring the issue to the forefront, and he should know now he must address this and go about it in a different way then he has in the past,
and 2) What keeps happening with the farm. In all this crap, Omar gets forgotten (though around here he does get credit, one of the few placeswhere this happens) in the revamping of the farm system. The Mets rarely have a round 1 pick, and rarely go over slot. Because of this, almost all of their impact prospects are coming from later rounds and latin america. A lot of their high ceiling prospects were signed as 16 or 17 year olds. You would expect it to take 5 years before you really start seeing serious returns from guys like this, and we finally are. Omar has also made the most of first and second round picks a lot of the time, finding Pelfrey, Davis, Havens, and Holt. He also has shown the ability to find talent in later rounds with guys like Thole. There is a lot of exciting things happening in the Mets farm, mostly because of Omar.
I know a lot of you don’t like Omar. I kind of do like him, but I understand the reasoning if you don’t. I do think though, that you have to give him credit here. Beat writers forever get away with writing lazy, bullshit columns about grission and batting average, RBI’s and clutchness. They don’t really know shit, and to make things worse, they routinely fabricate stories and do things to get more hits or readers, regardless of whether or not they are true. Minaya stood up and told one of these fucks off, knowing it may cost him his job. I just can’t believe that Adam Rubin is all upset that he was called out for something he did, when he does just that to other people for a living, sometimes not even correctly. He gets to hide behind his computer and nobody that he writes about gets to defend themselves. At least Minaya called him out, in public, to his face, and Rubin had a chance to argue on his own behalf. Regardless of whether this gets Minaya fired or what, I think it was a cool move, calling out a dirt bag writer who seemingly did have other motives, while protecting his boy Bernazard. Whether you like Tony or not, it is cool that Minaya would do that to protect his friend and finally fight back towards these writers who constantly stretch the truth and the facts for the sake of their story.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
by nrmax88 on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for Omar
should have been the subject of my last post. Sorry for the rant and the swearing. I just hate the media.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
by nrmax88 on Jul 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you'll believe Omar's account of Rubin's interest in working in player development without question
but you’ll dismiss Rubin’s writings as lies despite other sources saying so as well?
I don’t care of Tony Bernazard and Omar Minaya are friends. If they are, then Tony should have understood why he was fired. And Omar should have been a professional and just gotten the whole thing over with quickly in the press conference. If he REALLY wanted to “stand up for his friend”, he would have done the Rubin investigation quietly and behind the scenes and spared Bernazard the embarassment that’s going to come from this whole shitstorm.
I don’t think you understand what Omar did. He didn’t accuse Rubin of unfairly interviewing people without letting the other side give their stories. He accused him of breaking journalistic ethics by being invested in the success of an organization he was covering. That’s not a light statement that you make to “protect a friend”. That’s something that can legitimately get you sued, fired, or worse.
And lastly, “learning from the last couple of years” about depth is all well and good, but he should have understood this BEFORE THE 2008 SEASON STARTED, at the latest.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I was about to post basically the same thing. Omar’s charge that Rubin was “lobbying” for a job seems totally unsubstantiated — and a breach of ethics that huge would be really surprising if true — and Rubin’s account of their conversation(s?), which sounds ethically okay and nothing like “lobbying,” is plausible and has been at least minimally corroborated by others. Omar’s behavior could just as easily be interpreted as a loony vendetta against Rubin for airing Bernazard’s bad behavior, and it looks quite possible that he was simply lying about Rubin’s ethical breach.
by anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubin posted a brutal assessment of the organization about a week ago
I’m sure they didn’t much like that.
by SupT on Jul 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not OK with Rubin's career advice conversations with Jeff Wilpon
by James Kannengieser on Jul 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was investment advice, I would just advise Rubin to do the opposite.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look, I'm not saying it's completely peachy.
Like Wallace Matthews said, Rubin’s conversations with Jeff Wilpon about careers in baseball sound a bit uncomfortably “chummy” for him to be having with the high-level management of the team he was covering every day. Of course, a good reporter sometimes wants to be friendly, in order to get better access and more information — but asking for personal career advice is toeing pretty close to a line that shouldn’t be crossed lightly.
But there’s a gigantic difference between being slightly too chummy with the subjects of your reporting, on the one hand, and on the other, directly using your published columns to goad them into firing someone so that you yourself can be hired to replace them. One is a symptom of mildly poor judgement and/or sloppy reporting, the other is out-and-out corruption and a major violation of ethics.
by anonymous on Jul 28, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that they are very different in severity
but for a profession full of people ramming their ethics and integrity down our throats every chance they get, I just know that this will be swept under the rug as no big deal by most of them, Wally notwithstanding (for once I agree with Matthews, maybe that should send a signal that I’m way off here).
by James Kannengieser on Jul 28, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about this specific story...
Rubin can write whatever he wants and nobody does shit. I have heard him on SNY spouting horse shit time and time again. Omar clearly is willing to sacrifice his job for this. He wanted to bring Rubin down a peg and he did. Rubin railroaded his friend and he is willing to lose his job to get a small bit of revenge. I like it. I just don’t understand how Rubin can do what he does for a living, and then be mad when somebody just happens to mention the fact that he just happened to have interest in the job that he had a role in just getting a man fired from. Do you think if Omar got fired and Bernazard took the job he wouldn’t write some story about how Bernazard set the whole thing up? I just think Rubin is a douche bag, and I like Minaya, whether he is a good GM or not, I think he is a good guy, and I enjoy seeing him put an asshole like Rubin in his place.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
by nrmax88 on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rubin thought
This would help him get Tony’s job, he’d be certifiable. I really don’t think he thought that. The Mets would be pilloried for hiring some journo as VP of PD.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think Omar Minaya, general manager of the New York Mets
is willing to sacrifice his career to get a little revenge against a reporter for a soon-to-be bankrupt newspaper?
Lots of journalists just write or say what they want. Heyman, Francesca, Olney, Beningo, Matthews, etc., etc., the list goes on and on.
And what makes you think Rubin is a douchebag? He’s a good writer, he does good coverage on the Mets, and in general is highly unbiased and objective in his beat reporting. You just sound kinda dumb right now, saying Rubin deserves to be fired. For what? Being a fucking reporter?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
Omar basically has corroborated what Rubin reported by firing Bernazard. And Rubin isn’t hiding behind a computer. That would be someone anonymous on a message board. Everyone knows who he is and where he works and he was standing right there at the press conference.
I’m not completely anti-Minaya either. Not one of his shining moments, but this isn’t the kind of thing I’d normally consider in evaluating his performance. But like chicken soup in reverse, this certainly doesn’t help.
by wobatus on Jul 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
but my point really is that Rubin, and other reporters can write horse shit stories with no consequences. It is nice to see one of these guys actually called out and held accountable for something. I honestly haven’t cared enough about Bernazard to even follow this particular story very closely, but long story short, I like Omar, can’t stand Rubin, and liked to see him embarrassed, as he is usually trying to embarrass others. I phrased it wrong, Rubin isn’t hiding, but he still can write whatever he wants and get away with it. Now that the tables have turned, he is like an upset little girl and we are talking about Minaya losing his job over it. If the shoe were on the other foot, the worst thing that would happen to Rubin is tht a bunch of bloggers would rip him one and call him a hack. They have no real incentive to be objective or tell the truth, only to write an entertaining story. Why isn’t he (or any reporter really) held accountable for what he says, but Omar brings up one point about him asking those he is supposed to cover objectively for career advice, and we are talking about whether or not he should be fired?
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
by nrmax88 on Jul 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you not understand how journalism works?
You’d get called out if the stories are untrue. However, they’ve all been corroborated as true. So why would Rubin have any “consequences”? All he was doing was his job…
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree about Rubin
People are/were so fed up with Omar and Tony B, that they will believe anyone who’s willing to bash them. And a lot of it is justified. But what really got me was Rubin’s complete hackjob about the farm system which, looking back, was clearly designed as a shot at Bernazard.
Rubin knows what he’s talking about — he wrote the BA writeup for Mets prospect in the last handbook. So he knew exactly what he was doing when he went around, fishing quotes from anonymous scouts trying to portray the worst possible picture about the farm system, which was just entirely misleading (especially when you take into accoount the dates and context of the quotes from his top source “unnamed scout” at Bingy and St. Lucie.
by T Pac on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise you...
… that if Adam Rubin did what Omar Minaya half-accused him of, he won’t be working in the same position, and he may not keep his position with the Daily News. That, and libel/slander civil suits, are how the fourth-estate is kept in check. (Also, “code-red”-like freezeouts have long been a tool for ballplayers who feel a beat reporter is covering them unfairly/unethically.)
Omar had other options (side conversation with Rubin, Rubin’s editors, or senior DN staff; failing that and other, more measured options— there’s always other press outlets), and either chose not to go for them or didn’t see them. Either way— his response isn’t a defense of anyone’s honor— it’s a muddled, classless slag job.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
The issue isn’t whether Rubin is the best baseball journalist ever. He’s clearly not, though he does a basically decent job (especially judged against the usually low standards of the New York tabloid press). The issue isn’t even whether he’s a “balanced” or “fair” writer about the Mets (and I think fans sometimes get weirdly territorial about this stuff, perceiving well-reported, sourced stories about organizational problems as “hack jobs”).
None of this is the issue. Minaya accused Rubin of a serious breach of journalistic ethics — if not necessarily an automatic firing offense, it’s not all that far away, and at the very least it’s clearly something that would cast his future as a journalist into some doubt — when he claimed that Rubin was using his beat writing as a way to campaign to get himself a job. And Minaya (unless he can produce some evidence, and he seems to be backpedaling at warp speed instead) apparently did this out of pure spite, as a fabrication.
by anonymous on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand what you are saying at all
Everything Rubin has written has proven to be accurate about Bernazard. And if Rubin really wanted a job with the Mets above all else, wouldn’t he have buried the story?
Omar was on life support before, now I think the plug is about to be pulled. When Jeff Wilpon has to do damage control for you, you are in big trouble.
by Endys Game on Jul 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar sounds like a male version of Sarah Palin
(Maybe that’s been said earlier in the above posts. I haven’t bothered to read them yet.)
I was in traffic court late last year and there was an interpreter that literally translated English into Spanish for the accused as quickly as the judge could spit out the English. If Omar is such a poor public speaker, then why not have the press conference / Q&A session with a translator?
Granted, this press conference was not and is not about public speaking, but considering the subject matter and weight of the situation, to have Omar ramble on in such an incoherent manner is an embarrassment to the Mets organization.
If this were my first time hearing him I would be suspicious of him. Every sentence that spews forth from his mouth sounds as if he is trying to hide something. Throwing Adam Rubin under the bus is the larger issue here and Omar is about to reap the whirlwind for it.
Evaluator of talent, Omar may be. Spokesperson for the Mets as GM?…His days are numbered. See ya Omar.
by Grits on Jul 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One last item.
Did anyone expect anything different this year? Especially from an organization that signed off on this:

by Grits on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its very important to remember, human resources is investigating that patch
when the investigation is complete, the investigators will present the management with the results of that investigation.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jul 28, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am simply embarrassed to be a Mets fan now. Omar must be fired now. I will not step foot in Citi Field nor will I watch SNY until he is gone.
All Met fans must do the same. If we speak with our wallets maybe things will change. After all of these years of collapses and chokes, enough is enough.
by Justinleon on Jul 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quick question
Am I missing something or did Jeff Wilpon basically throw Omar under the bus when he said he saw nothing wrong with Rubin contacting him for career advice? And if he already thinks Omar blew it that badly, then can’t we all be assured he will be gone absent a playoff berth.
by Endys Game on Jul 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW on the transcript
There’s some crosstalk toward the end of your transcription — as Rubin asks Minaya “…so I could take their position? Is that what you’re saying?” You have Omar saying just “Adam…” there, as he overlaps with Rubin and his words are hard to make out. But after listening to that section several times, I’m pretty sure what he said was:
Omar Minaya: Adam, I’m saying, that’s what I thought.
This is actually potentially significant. In the heat of the moment, as Rubin challenged him, it appears that Minaya was on the brink of confirming his apparently baseless claims about Rubin’s reporting being meant as campaigning for a job with the Mets.
by anonymous on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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