Open Thread: Mets vs Phillies
by Eric Simon on Jul 3, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
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Lineup
There is only one part of the lineup I don’t like.
Fernando Tatis. Am I alone in this?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Something has to be wrong with Castillo...right?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
He's been given an awful lot of days off lately
Tatis was the one that was reportedly banged up yesterday so ????
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Tatis has been swinging much better of late
, so I really don’t have much of a problem with him being in there.
I doubt I’ll miss Castillo’s .322 wOBA and -3.1 UZR
But he has gold gloves!
And he can bunt!
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Tatis has
started to hit.i don’t have a problem it it
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If the lineup HAS to make any sense
You put the best available hitters there to take advantage of CBP, at the expense of defense.
I like Castillo from the right side
And his black hole defense is superior to whatever Tatis is going to give you at the keystone.
F! should be playing imo.
I'm ready for battle!
Happy Friday everyone, Happy 4th as well!
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
is anyone else
tired of hearing how “outstanding” Livan has been? he walked five guys last start, that’s not tremendously awesome.
it's a losing battle
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
yeah, you're probably right
it’s like seven mediocre innings become good by virtue of there being seven of them
but vs a yankee team
that owns him he only gave up 3 runs and like 3 hits after that 1st inning
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Reed's arm is SO weak
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
does the fact
that Taco Bell is marketing a bacon burrito to capitalize on the bacon craze make it official that the bacon craze is so last year?
But what can replace bacon???
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
My platitude for the day
I think Murphy will have a big game
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Mets vs. Phils
with the Mets in red hats just looks wierd
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
almost as bad as when they played the nats on memorial day
and everyone had the same color hat
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
rollins blows
but he’ll get going this weekend of course
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
It's going to be a loooooong night
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
unless you stop watching!
grission – we will need it to make this game close
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
well he walks
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Yes
But he’s not a Top 20 player in baseball as the MSM would like everyone to believe.
by All Shook Down on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really just mocking Livan
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
our bullpen is going to cry
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
didn't start very well either
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
Nice to see we came to win a division tonight
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
c'mon it's Livan
he came for a meal
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
It's also Rodrigo Lopez
He came to get out of Allentown
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Bugs bunny curve
Buh bye Werthless.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
don't break my heart after that K
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
as opposed to the other 3 liners they have
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
Is it just me
or is there a few new guys to AA posting. Welcome to AA!!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
My name is Jesse
and I have a problem. I am a Mets fan. It’s been a disruption both at home and at work, causing great stress.
by yellomellojello on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You and me both!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
agreed
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
WTH Livan....
you can’t pitch around every hitter.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Uh, Livan, perhaps you could throw some strikes before this gets out of hand
The guy your pitching against hasn’t been up in two years. Give us a chance
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Am I watching a AAA game?
Livan v. Backo?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
ah, my first season.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
in the park Grand Slam?
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Nice...now lets get the hell out of this
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
he's 2 for 42 in his career
if he walks i will cry
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
Jeezy Creezy.
Now I can’t wait for Tatis to show bunt on the first pitch.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
IT COULD BE WORSE!!
the rally cry of the 2009 Mets
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
That or...
The 2009 New York Mets: “The cure to all that ails their opponents”
They haven’t scored that many runs in the last week…
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Can we please get some runs
off this bum, chip away Mets. Or you know you could hit a HR. Ahh who am I kidding?
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
I hope Sheff gives me a reason
To use my new graphic.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN' MIND?!
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
we ALWAYS get the short end of the stick
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
We wouldnt be the Mets...
if we didnt.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Tatis didn't show bunt
He’s getting benched.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Mets used to be known for scoring early and failing to pile on
Now we are lucky to get a hit through the first 9 ABs.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
That one was actually caught.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Counting Mrs. Torino
My guess is one person, if that
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not only does he catch that
He glides to it and makes it look easy
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Ryan Church
Not gritty like Aaron Rowand apparently.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
There's a radio host in SF that tells it like it is.
“He ran into the wall and made an extra $20M.”
by All Shook Down on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well do we really have it in us...
to come back?
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
After yesterday?
nothing is impossible
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Livan's nickname should be "jugs"
The reasons are twofold:
1) he has jugs on his chest
2) his pitching is like a jugs pitching machine, set to 80 mph
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
I hate when the Mets ticket commericials tell me to
“Be a part of the fun”. WHAT FUN?!
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
It's fun to go out to a game
Even if the stuff on the field is lousy!
by All Shook Down on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez just got pulled in Buffalo
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_07_03_rocaaa_bufaaa_1
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Wonderful...
now we are stuck with Livan and Redding. Call up Niese.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Oops thought he got hurt...
didnt actually read.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
like i said before
i have NO faith in ollie
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
4 XBH off of him too
3 doubles and a homer.
by All Shook Down on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, mentioning the guy who isn't anywhere near coming back
makes me feel a whole lot better.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
+1
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
what a professional 1-2 count
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
well, he did foul off like 3 pitches
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
The phillies are always positioned perfectly
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
They look at statistics
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
is there one for that?
answer hint: no
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
you can't tell me
that there is no statistic that goes on scouting reports that shows the percentage of pitches hit to rf, lf, cf ect ect
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
With this team....
it probably wouldnt of mattered.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
defense doesn't matter
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Can't blame Murph for that one
Nice swing, solid contact.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
oooh that smiley kills me
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
F-ing Werth
He’d be in the HOF if he played against us every night.
The defense their missing from Ibanez
correct Ron
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Time to tee off....
Livan isnt adjusting to the Phils agressiveness.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Bako...
really? Kill me now. This team sucks.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
ok i'm out
going to get ice cream. grrr
David Eckstein: so gritty they would eat him in the south for breakfast with some butter and sprinkle cheese.
Hey Livan
you dont pitch around the pitcher to set up the DP, friggin eejit.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
.......................................goddamn Tatis.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
This game...
is possibly the least suspenseful baseball game I’ve ever seen.
you don't remember the Santana Yankee game?
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Wow.
Now its over. If one person tells me we have a chance, please get a grip on reality.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Everyone knows the Phillies and theyre disgusting fans...
are innocent. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
You can't put a lineup out there strictly for offense
when your DEFENSIVE lineup still makes errors and mistakes as well.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Alright, time for some news in the minors
Oliver Perez, fewer walks than innings in his Triple-A start. That’s a good thing right?
Also, Scott Moviel is making his first St. Lucie start tonight. Kyle Allen is pitching well for Savannah. 4 IP 1 R 2 K 1 BB 7 GO 3 AO
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
He pitched better than Livan did tonight.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Throws harder too, lol
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Antonini got rocked though
7 R in just 1.2 IP. Ouch
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't go this far
but him swinging through a 90 mph heater right down broadway is not a good sign. His swing has become very long.
Just let Livan pitch this whole game
I don’t care if it takes 200 pitches and the Mets lose 20-0. No reason to punish the bullpen for his ineptitude.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
We need to get to the Phillies pen
at the very least, tire them out for the next two games.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I hate when Livan makes me yearn for Oliver Perez.
by All Shook Down on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from Randy Wolf
what free agents didn’t we bother to sign, instead choosing the Wonder (Fraternal) Twins of Utter Ineptitude, Livan and Redding?
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The White Sox
traded Javy Vazquez for $50 and a couple Louisville Sluggers. Omar offered $49 and Luis Castillo.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I didn’t mind not signing Lowe to what Boras got for him, as he’s logged a lot of innings and is getting pretty old (the Braves are really going to pay for that 4th season, where I don’t think Lowe will have anything left at all) – but not ponying up the dough to Wolf and instead signing Redding just kills me everytime I think about it.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sports dilemma...
6 more innings of this…or…stale Wimbledon recap…or…Nascar minor league race…So many choices…
this is where you turn on the xbox, playstation or some online poker
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
no DP!!!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
its waaayyy to early to say that
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
idk who it is
but someone is telling our young guys to take the first pitch no matter what.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
No Jeter, I haven't been to your shitty website.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Infact, I'm updating the list.
List of Things I Don’t Care About:
1. The Phillies
2. Anything the Marlins announcers say.
3. Yankees
4. That so many other people wanted to list what they didn’t care about.
5. The Marlins new ballpark
6. Marlon Anderson’s career.
7. Whatever Matt Cerrone has to say.
8. Derek Jeter’s Ford Website
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Marlins ballpark
I’m mildly interested in the Marlins new park.
I can't believe I'm saying this
but the 2009 David Wright is dogshit.
The .450 BABIP masked this for a while, but striking out against a 90 mph straightball over the middle of the plate navel high? Dog—shit.
The only question with me is whether or not this represents a permanent erosion of his skill set ala Tatis or whether he will recover his old self. The only thing I say of him is don’t sell low. I’m a loyal guy, so I’ll give him until the end of 2010 to prove this is a fluke.
Otherwise, this is no longer someone I treat as a franchise player.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
?
I can’t believe you’re saying that either.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I might be overreacting
I turned the TV off as soon as I saw that K. The truth however, is that Wright’s .450 BABIP masked that he really has been out and out shit this entire season. Hot streak or cold streak, regardless of there the BABIP bounces, throughout, he’s been godawful.
You know what? Why not fire Hojo? Seriously? Why not? Do something. Fire Wright’s baseball father,because in 2009, he’s a bastard. Like Brad Holt.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to be godawful
When you’re among the league OBP leaders, even if some of it is unsustainable BABIP, its still be productive.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Without the BABIP
he’s probably at .280/.360/.400 with 80 Ks. Again, I might be overreacting. But there are some things your eyes can tell you. David Wright has been whiffing at bullshit pitches for the entire season.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But .280 / .360 / .400 isn’t awful. Its just not superstar
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Blame Hojo.
Hojo doesnt do a damn thing, as far as I know. He probably causes players to regress. Tatis, Murphy?, Wright.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Until
we get some of the core back, I don’t expect Wright to get much to hit.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He got a perfect pitch
He got a bullshit pitch. and he missed. Seriously, I’m not investing a bit of emotional energy on his PAs until he becomes a decent hitter again. Right now he is out and out garbage.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Nick...
stop taking lessons from Dubs. You have to swing the bat in order to make contact.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
I meant to ask this earlier
Why is Nick Evans starting over F! tonight again? Evans has a .521 career big league OPS against righties and even when he heated up in Bingo this year, he was still sub-.700 vs RHP.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Why are we talking to this moron?
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Please get this Philly Phuc
off my TV.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Some Comcast sportsnet guy...
I think, muted the TV.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Yea then we'll go out...
and score 8 runs.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING TO THIS GUY.
KEVIN BURKHARDT, PUNCH THIS GUY IN THE FACE.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Well
At least the Phillies on my fantasy teams are all having big nights
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Lets see how much we can lose by...
I love this game. Livan makes Johan look good.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Hit the showers.
What a POS performance.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
I would run out on the field right now
and drag Dubs, Sheff, Church and Cora to the bench.
This bad boy is over
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Lets get into a brawl...
make this night somewhat exciting.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Hmmm.
Nicely done Misch.
"If there was ever a man dying inside, it must be Jerry Manuel" - Vin Scully
Sold! Start Misch next time around the rotation
He did more good in 1 pitch than Livan did in an hour and a half
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
A little shocking.
With that win yesterday and the 2-game streak after the 1-0 win…that was the perfect setting entering this series. Shocking to see the Mets being waxed right now. That’s not the way it was supposed to play. :-)
The 2009 Mets: Rollins hits a la-a-a-azy fly ball to left field. Murphy ready to put this one in the books as he ma-...HE DROPS THE BALL!! Ruiz rounds second, Murphy throws in to the backup shortstop Cora WHO LETS IT GET BY HIM. To third goes Ruiz! Reed, who took Tatis' spot for defensive reasons fires to thi-...THERE'S NOBODY THERE! Putz is running over to the ball. Picks it up and whirls to home, THROWS IT AWAY! PHLLIES WIN! Putz appears hurt and we're getting word Reyes was involved in another car accident.
You do know this is
the Mets right. Not shocking in the least.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
We're just setting them up
we were so sick of taking a big lead on the Phillies and seeing them come back, we decided to spot them 7 and the first 4 innings before we make our comeback.
All part of J. Manuel’s grand plan.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
first 5 innings
all part of the master plan.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Misch has had the best AB of the game
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
At least he made Lopez work.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
thats sad
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
No runs tonight.
guarenteed.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
2010
Lots of interesting decisions to be made for 2010. Delgado will (should) be gone. What do we do with Castillo (2 more years)? Ollie (3 more years)? Sheffield (FA)?
Plus, it seems impossible to predict what we’ll get out of Reyes and Beltran, due to injuries. And do we get 30 HR Wright, or .340 Wright?
Hard to imagine the Mets increasing payroll, for many reasons.
Pretty much every position is a huge question mark. Weird.
next week instead of redding
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Make Misch a starter
get rid of Redding.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
can we at least
hear the last of resiliance, and “grission” and fight. Oh and jerry’s not a gangsta
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
Accuscore says this was our best chance to win all series
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
how can we not beat blanton
with Johan on the mound
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
really not johan vs blanton?
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
number 81 on the year
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
i like how rodrigo lopez sucks
and we can’t beat him. What does that say about us
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
shocking
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
start misch instead of redding.
i’m worried about Nieve. a .267 BABIP and a low ground ball percentage does not make a good match
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
if he gets rocked tomorrow
start misch in Nieve’s place and start Niese in redding spot
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually those numbers kind of match up
Flyballs have a lower BABIP than groundballs, I have his eBABIP around .280ish given the batted ball results thus far.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a great idea how to get runs
bunt for hits. They’ll never see it coming
"Put it in the books. The Mets are the 2006 National League Eastern Divison champions"--Howie Rose
I enjoy the Dub
suckitude, I almost expect him to K whenever he steps to the plate. If you cant at least make contact against Rodrigo Lopez….then…well. Ok.
Gabe from Kids Clubhouse better not take him up on his hitting lesson, he might be disappointed.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
your negativity towards Dubs is noted.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
The question is
Will he recover? Will we have our superstar back in 2010? If not. The Mets have to reevaluate a bunch of things.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to give him another year
but right now he’s producing
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
He has an OBP over .430
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
He's doing what we need from him now
Since no one is getting on for him to drive in…he gets on himself.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Uh huh.
Again. He is not a superstar this entire season, and he is an offensive liability at third base. He is well below average for the position. He borderline sucks.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You were making decent points eariler
but that’s ridiculous. Even if his average is a bit artificially high, I’d still expect him to be hitting over .310, and Citi has robbed 6 of his homers.
What does that make him? .310/.400/.550?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
The OBP is inflated by the BABIP as much as his average.
.275/.355/.395 is his real production (his batter FIP or FIB if you will) this is below average and borderline suck for 3rd base. The only question is will he recover his superstar form by 2010.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You pulled .275 out of your ass
and yes, I know AVG is a component of OBP.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
I know that you know
that AVG is a component of OBP. I know that I pulled .275 out of my ass. I could really look up his staff and crunch the numbers but I didn’t feel like it at this moment.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being semi joking/sarcastic...
youre going off the deep end here.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Where would we be without this "borderline sucky" player?
I’ll tell you…last freaking place.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
to be fair
what games has he won games for us this year and we would be no worst than in 3rd place
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Um...
He leads the team in Avg, Runs, RBI, OBP and Stolen Bases. I think that’s enough of a contribution to helping us win games.
Your right, but we would certainly be in 4th place without him. Hell, we will be tied for 3rd by the end of the night.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I don't think it's possible to lead the league in hitting and "borderline suck" at the same time.
He’s having an odd season, but he is still an exceptional player
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Well, what's going on here?
A little chink in the armor, Rodrigo?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
The people clap for the results
DO THEY NOT SEE THE PROCESS???
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Jeremy Reed...
little league hitter extroardinaire.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
after we rocked him in pelf's start
he 1 hit us vs johan and has owned us ever since
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dudes
For your info. I have supported Wright for the entire season, I think that berg’s piece that Stats require faith was one of the best sports articles ever written. Numbers require faith as well. You have to realize that eventually, players regress to their skill sets. I am WELL AWARE of this, just as you are well aware that AVG is part of OBP.
You must realize
A) I am venting and am allowed to vent after our “superstar” looks like shit against a pitcher who (by MLB standards) IS SHIT.
B) We would be in last place without our superstar’s BABIP, just as we would be in last place without our superstar
C) I FUCKING LOVE David Wright. I hate to see him suck like this after defending him against the idiot press for so long, and I hate him proving the idiot press (whom I despise) right. But that is what he is doing.
The time has come to ask some questions. This is a full half season of sub-standard performance from a player who is by all rights a franchise player. There is something wrong with him. We have to ask “what is it?” “What is the evidence that he can fix this?” “What if anything does this bode for the future?” This is probably a down year, or maybe even a down half. There is an excellent chance that Wright goes on a tear in the second half and makes these comments look as asinine as they are. But he is lousing it up now, and we should not sugarcoat it with his totally illusory counting stats.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
How do you think the Philthies fans
feel about Jimmy Rollins?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just thinking of that
Rollins’ case is slightly different because he isn’t really a franchise player. Just a very good player who had some well-timed career years. He’s as good as you can be without being a franchise player but he’s a fringe star.
Wright is a legit perrenial MVP candidate. What the hell is wrong with him?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And there is absolutely no silver lining
or inflated BABIP that has made Rollins anything close to productive.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Your comments are asinine
D-Wright is a 26 year old superstar. Stop with the “it’s time to start asking some questions” bullshit, cause that’s what it is – bullshit.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you seriously denying that there is something wrong with Wright
Because that’s more asinine than anything I’ve said.
I would be much more confident if the situation were reversed—that is, if Dub’s BABIP were .230 and he were still showing the same peripherals (HR/FB, K rate K/BB) but it’s the opposite.
Wright is sucking at the indicators of real performance. He is doing well in mirage stats. There is a problem. The only question is how correctable it is and when it will be corrected.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, hitters do have control of BABIP
I could see .350, but .450 is beyond anything that anyone can sustain. babe Ruth cannot sustain it. (Of course, it has regressed a bit already and will regress a bit more.)
K/BB, HR/FB are in the sinkhole. Why is this the case, and how correctible is it?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him a call with your pointers
maybe that’ll help.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not diagnosing him
I’m not saying “long swing” uppercut" or any of the armchair hitting coach cliches, so give this crap a rest.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad
Maybe he’s “not going the other way”
by James Kannengieser on Jul 4, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Look
his BABIP is high. His HR/FB is low. That stinks. But let’s wait a little before sounding the alarm. He’s coming off of 2 MVP worthy seasons and, despite his mirage stats, is playing awesome right now.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What concerns me
is that he was OVERMATCHED COMPLETELY by the Brewer’s ace, and was overmatched by Lopez, who is a fringe AAA pitcher, and that he looks like crap at the plate. He is most assuredly NOT playing awesome. That is a mirage.
I’ll gladly give him until mid-2011 to right the ship, but there is a huge problem right now. I don’t know what it is, but you can’t deny it.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand how getting on base 42% of the time is a mirage.
Enlighten me.
He may not be producing per his usual self, but he still is very valuable. It’s not his fault he has no help.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
2009
So far this year, among NL 3B only, Wright is 1st in OBP…But, he’s 7th in SLG (although 2 guys ahead of him, A Ramirez and J Fox have < 100 AB).
More troubling, he’s 2nd in K’s, and 13th ( ! ) in HR.
To say there’s no cause for concern seems odd to me.
Last I checked
you weren’t exactly the President of his fan club
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect better...
from a 26 year old who I keep being told is a superstar, face of the franchise, captain, one of the best Mets ever, etc etc.
I want to believe, but I’m starting to doubt.
Correction...
I wanted “the core” changed. I wouldn’t have kept all of Beltran, Wright, Reyes, Delgado again for 2009.
+1
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Well, not exactly.
I didn’t say to get rid of them and replace them with nothing, or replace them with AAA players. You are allowed to trade players for other players of equal perceived value.
And if you don’t resign Delgado, you’re allowed to sign another FA instead at equal salary.
I mean, the Red Sox traded Hanley Ramirez for Beckett. Was that smart? Dumb? I don’t know, depends how you look at it. Point being, it was a swap of like talent that seemed to work out for both teams.
The point is
It’s moronic to get rid of them just because they were part of the collapse
Aside from Delgado, they’re all still relatively young and in their prime
Yet, you want them gone because we had the worst bullpen in baseball in 2008
You build the team around your best players, not get rid of them like some fat Diet-Coke drinking p.o.s suggests
Ok
Right…I didn’t say “get rid of all of them”. I said I personally wouldn’t have brought all 4 back. So Delgado being the oldest, would be a logical choice to not re-sign.
Problem is
Who was going to replace him?
We were never going to get Tex, and well, we had no internal replacements…
Mike Carp!
Delgado was the ultimate sell-high candidate, seriously. Iwould have really seen if either Murphy, Carp, or Evans or some combo could have held the fort.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it's been said by myself and others in numerous game threads
but if you have read the front page content here, you’ll know that this kind of non-fact based nonsense is frowned upon here. You think Wright sucks? Fine, you can have that opinion, but show us why (atleast General Ripper gives us some stats to talk about). You’re adding nothing to the conversation, consistently bringing up tired platitudes (“Wright stinks”, “the core is rotten” type stuff) without any substance. Please do better.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
What did I post that was inappropriate…?
Seriously, I’m totally confused by that comment.
He's asking you to make cogent and formed arguments
Rather than just politic an anti-Wright platform.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thread
I was replying to a “Wright thread”, which started with vehement “Anti-Wright” comments, way worse than anything I wrote. I posted where Wright ranks among NL 3B. It’s not like I’m sticking pins in a Wright voodoo doll or anything.
Its not a question of the magnitude of hatred
Its a question of backing up opinions with facts. James was just informing you that if you just repeat the same opinions without substantial evidence, its going to get really tired here really quick.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You've said numerous times in recent game threads
“I hate Wright.” Like, you’ve literally said “I hate Wright.” And that has basically been the crux of your reasoning for hating him, that is, you haven’t provided any reason except “he isn’t clutch” and other such worthless statements.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
And you told me to read the rules, which said I can’t post that, so I’m not posting it anymore.
If you’re talking about what I posted in the past, fine.
But if I said something tonight that you consider inappropriate, I’m really baffled.
The guy also has a hell of a lot on his shoulders.
To say that he is the entire team right now is not far off. He’s handled it pretty well.
I think we should reserve judgement until he gets some protection/help.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Obviously there's concern for his K's and lack of power
But to say he stinks or is below average is just absurd
For an NL third-baseman
You can make a decent case that his real performance is below average. No HRs and lord only knows what a luck-adjusted OBP would look line. There is cause for concern.
I will say again, I love David Wright.
And by the way, when will our bullshit front office bring up John Niese.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There is cause for concern
but not to the extent you’ve portrayed it. Your comments above seem very ultimatum-ish, very “shape up or ship out.” I think the guy has bought himself some goodwill with (prior to this half season, where his wOBA is ~.400) with 4 and a half stellar seasons. I think everyone has discussed the BABIP and HR/FB ad nauseum, so all we can do is sit back and see what happens, then evaluate at a later date.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want David Wright to be traded at all
I’m just saying that it’s time to realize that his performance is purely a mirage and that one has to start getting worried. He has bought all the goodwill in the world.
But there are two sides to the coin. Fans have to support a superstar through the good times and bad, but the superstar has to perform like a superstar. Otherwise, the relationship changes. If this continues for another full season and a half or so, the relationship between Wright, the Mets and NY is changed.
Here’s hoping that Wright puts it together in the second half.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But you're expanding a set by a magnitude of four
That’d be like taking a quarter season for a player and assuming that’s how they’re going to finish. Granted a half season of data is a bit more sustainable than a quarter season, its still only semi-reliable as a barometer, and it doesn’t trump the previous five seasons of data. What’s the accepted linear weights method these days? 5-3-2?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing to really do is what JamesK said
reevaluate at a later date. My only real point was that it’s time to take off the blinders and realize that his stats have been a Bannister-style mirage and that Wright has been plain bad. He got OWNED by Gallardo and was dominated by a AA pitcher. Let’s hope that wakes him up.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most here are aware of it
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this is nothing new
But the point is how bad he has really been. The general tenor is that he’s been aided by luck but is still having a wierd, but OK season. I’m saying he has been having a season that has been kept afloat purely by luck and that he has been bad. Just flat out bad.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Otherwise
I was just venting with the rest.
Geez, is one not allowed to plunge into a bit of irrationality when your star gets owned by a AA pitcher?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You must not have followed the Mets for long
to think they would dominate a guy who hasn’t pitched in 2 years.
I don't agree with that though
It seems you’re saying anything that isn’t awesome is bad. He hasn’t been bad, he just hasn’t been as good as he was in the past. If you regress his BABIP to his career rate, that leaves him around .290 / .380 / .450. Not the .275 / .355 / .395 nonsense you were talkin’ earlier ;)
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I surrender.
He hasn’t been nearly as bad as I have been saying, and I was simply overreacting to a dismal performance in this one game.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't win!
It could be worse. You could be a Yankee fan trying to convince people that Derek Jeter’s overrated.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We shouldn't be fighting
this is the war room.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
At least...
someone besides me got yelled at. ;-)
Did you regress his doubes and HR rates or leave the rest constant?
I get .276/.356/.436
I subtracted the strikeouts from his PAs, to get batted balls, assumed a .350 BABIP and got 92 hits/304 ABs and kept IsO and IsoD constant.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm not sure what I did wrong but I did overestimate something
Plugging in the actual numbers
341 PAs – 80 SOs – 44 BBs – 5 HR – 2 HBP = 210 BIP
.351 * 210 = 73.71 HIP (Hits In Play)
73.5 HIP + 5 HR = 78.71 H
78.5 H/293 AB = .269. Weird, I almost wrote it out the first time I did it, guess I should. Then I get .364 for OBP. Didn’t regress SLG.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wright had a horrible 2nd half in '06 and first month of 2007
It’s a tad early to suggest something’s wrong with him
He has never looked as bad as he has here
Never has he remotely looked this pathetic.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
At least on a night Livan took us out of the game before we could even get started I can always count on some of you for entertainment.
Just wow…..
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets at least get to Lidge
Make it interesting
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Ahem
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
please fire the entire coaching staff.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
HA! Murphy is a joke
But I’ve always known this.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 3, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Murph is still a question
A very different question, but a question, nonetheless.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
why
why are we the most embarrassing team in the majors? can anyone answer that question? ive never had one of my favorite sports teams embarrass me the way the mets are this year
+100
not even the islanders are this embarrassing
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until they give a 30 year old player a 25 year contract this offseason
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
agreed
i used to be a diehard islander fan went to 82 straight home games in 02 and 03sadly i lost interest after the lockout but I NEVER EVER was embarassed to be an islander fan.. i cant even walk into work anymore without being made fun of cuz im a mets fan
Because
There are 9 guys on the DL. No brainer.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can blame the injuries...
for the losses but not for the unfundamental play.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Well
Murph isn’t a 1st baseman, Tatis nor Murph, nor Evans is an OF, Tatis isn’t a 2nd baseman, so sure, I can blame this lineup we’ve got out here for lack of fundementals.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the injuries cant be an excuse
they arent losing games because of the injuries..we lose games because were unprofessional and cant do fundamental things like:
catch popups, run down fly balls, throw to a base, field groudners, catch throws from infielders etc etc etc
You realize
that having 1 or 2 guys as replacements is optimum, not 6-7 guys playing out of position, right?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Along
with 3 #5 starters in the rotation.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
blame the management
how do we have no farm system and no bench thats pathetic do they have any idea how you build a team
No farm??
That’s a FAIL on your part
And we do have a bench, it’s just that our entire bench is starting right now
So Mike Francesca is your source for minor league info huh?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
To elaborate on that
Check the fanshot I posted referencing the just-released Top 50 overall prospects list, which happens to include three Mets. Lets see. 30 MLB teams. 50/30 = 1.67. So the Mets have about twice as many Top 50 prospects as the average franchise.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it's an excuse...
It’s not the only one…but it’s OBVIOUSLY going to be difficult to win when you have 2/3 of your lineup consisting of replacement players.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
ok
these new guys are starting to all say the same thing.
Hate David Wright
No Farm System
ect ect…argh
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I wonder where they come up with such strange ideas
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame the mediots
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
LOL
Don’t take things so personally friend, its bad karma.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We haven't won a series all year after losing the 1st game
This series would be a great a time to do so
At least if we win 1....
we’ll only be 2 back.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball and winning in spite of them.
Nieve needs to be an ace tomorrow.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
anyone else
impressed with misch tonight.if redding does not pitch vs L.A and it’s not Niese i would like to see misch get the start just to see if he has anything good
So far
so good with Misch. Don’t know if he has the rrepertoire to be an effective starter at the ML level.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jul 3, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ideally
The Mets can look at these last 2 starts and wake up to the fact that both these guys are trash. If Maine comes back, Livan should be out of the rotation. Livan will probably stick around, and maybe Nieve to the pen, but Livan is garbage. Not just going by this start either.
Look how he faded on Minny last year. He is a truly terrible starter. If you give as many hits as he does this will happen often in the second half.
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