Mets Community Prospect List: #10

by Meddler on Jul 4, 2009 11:35 AM EDT Comment 26 comments

With 85% of the vote, the winner of the round nine is: Ruben Tejada

Welcome to the Amazin' Avenue Mets Community Prospect List, where you get to vote on who the Mets best prospects are. Every poll will include eight candidates for the next spot on the list, as well as a separate group of testers. Testers will be rotated into polls with each update, replacing each poll's winner and any name that's not getting enough votes. If there's a particular tester you'd like to see added to the poll, or a name not on the testers list that you feel belongs there, voice your support in the comments section and it will be duly noted.

The list so far:

To replace Ruben Tejada, Zach Lutz has been added to the candidates. This will be the only tester added in this round. In no particular order, here are the candidates for the Community's #10 Mets prospect:

Kirk Nieuwenhuis
Brant Rustich
Zach Lutz
Jeurys Familia
Jefry Marte
Dillon Gee
Robert Carson
Scott Moviel

Testers - Kyle Allen, Eddie Kunz, Francisco Pena, Eric Beaulac, Michael Antonini, Nick Carr, Scott Shaw, Cesar Puello, Sean Ratliff, Lucas Duda, Roy Merritt

Poll

Who is the Mets #10 prospect?

Kirk Nieuwenhuis

5 votes

Brant Rustich

4 votes

Zach Lutz

2 votes

Jeurys Familia

8 votes

Jefry Marte

23 votes

Dillon Gee

5 votes

Robert Carson

1 votes

Scott Moviel

0 votes

48 votes | Poll has closed

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Comments

Wow

First four votes all to different guys, this is where it should get interesting. I voted for Nieuwenhuis. Patience, power, and raw tools go a long way for me, and he has all three. The numbers may not jump out right now, but he’s having a very similar type of FSL season to what Reese Havens is doing. Plenty of pop, not many line drives. Nieuwenhuis is striking out quite a bit more, but he’s also stealing bases at a solid clip. If he can translate his speed into more defense, he could be an excellent player, perhaps not a star but very solid, and outfielders are not something the Mets are particularly deep in right now, so its worth taking note.

Also, how should the testers go from here? As I’m sure many of you know I wanna get Allen on the poll, but who there do you guys like?

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jul 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm really conflicted here.

I feel I could vote for N!, Marte, Carson, or Familia here.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 4, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Testers

I’d rank the guys on there as Pena, Kunz, Puello, Beaulac, Antonini…but what about Javier Rodriguez? No love for him?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

No love for Javier lol. I always find myself overlooking him, just because I’m not so sure what the big deal is. He seems like Juan Lagares all over again. That is, a guy the organization loved to pimp before he did anything of note, and kinda looked at again in a couple years and went “my bad on that one”.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

testers

Beaulac, Pena, Puello in that order for me…but again, its very close

by viktor06 on Jul 4, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have Nieuwenhuis 11th, but his contact problems are really worrisome. Even if you normalize his BABIP, his OPS only comes out to .740 (Havens’ comes to .891). I love his overall game though, for most of the reasons you mentioned.

by T Pac on Jul 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Familia

Going with Familia here…20year old doing well in A ball with good peripherals, but honestly all these guys are some step behind the previous guys and very similar imo…you can go Nieuwenhuis, Marte, Carson easily

by viktor06 on Jul 4, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ultimately, I went with Carson.

20 years old, looks like a big leaguer.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rustich

Has the best stuff in the organization.

I don’t know how anyone could vote for Marte here — what’s the case for him over Pena? They profile pretty similarly, except Pena is a plus-defensive catcher (which is HUGE) while Marte is a gigantic question mark on defense.

by T Pac on Jul 4, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think Marte just has a higher offensive ceiling, and he's younger.

Scouts still seem to like him a lot. That said, I voted for Carson.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scouts like Pena, too. Because he’s got a high ceiling offensively and defensively. And Pena is older but also farther along, so I don’t see how that is supposed to work in favor of Marte.

Marte just has two gigantic flaws with his defense and inability to make contact. He’s got a lot of time to improve those, but that just shows how far away he is.

by T Pac on Jul 4, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel like this has happened before but...

Pena has never had any success, Marte at least had some last year in the GCL. Both were pushed along way too fast, like most Mets prospects, but Pena has shown nothing offensively.

I am surprised that Marte is leading the vote here, I went with Familia.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh

Pena would have had success if he had started in the GC.

by T Pac on Jul 4, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming hypothetical data

Is generally not advisable.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jul 4, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the point is that gcl numbers (or any past numbers, really) are fairly worthless once you get into upper levels, unless you are dealing with a large sample size. Marte now has over 2 times as many ABs in Savannah as he did last year.

by T Pac on Jul 4, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

But I think that argument works in one direction and not necessarily the other. That is, it works when criticizing Marte, but not in pimping Pena

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jul 4, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I don't think Marte should have top 10.

This reeks of “people visiting, voting for the guy they’ve heard of, and leaving.”

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Jul 4, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm 100% with you on this one

Very disappointed in his showing this season. But the whole issue with the Mets system was that there was lots of risk, and so far, the only real attrition from that to me has been a huge status dropoff for Marte, while there’s a very large amount of the “helium” thats taken in other areas.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Jul 4, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's nice to have a system where our 3 top guys aren't all teenagers

Well, F! is almost a teenager, but he’s in the bigs!
As for Nieuwenhuiss, I have a tough time with a prospect whose name sounds so much like Scott Schoenweiss, and I think “N…” would be a better nickname than N!, at least at this point.

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Jul 4, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I voted Familia (again)

It’s definitely not Marte right now. I can understand arguments for many of the other options but Marte is far too raw at the moment. Thus far his performance has not matched his reputation and hype. Familia was not heralded in the same way but he has been extremely effective in his first two partial seasons.

by Zwill on Jul 4, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs