Mets Fan Reeducation: The Media, The Management, And You
When I heard Reverend James Lawson, a local professor at Vanderbilt and a hero of the Civil Rights movement, speak about First Amendment rights, I was taken aback by one thing in particular he said (and I'm paraphrasing): "The news media is based on hate for the other party."
His words took on renewed meaning to me when I re-watched a Youtube favorite of mine, Jon Stewart on Crossfire. Most people remember Stewart (a Mets fan) calling Tucker Carlson a dick in a bowtie. Upon this watching, however, another thing he said in the interview stood out:
Begala: "By beating up on them? You just said we're too rough on them when they make mistakes."
Stewart: "No, no, no, you're not too rough on them. You're part of their strategies. You are partisan, what do you call it, hacks." (emphasis mine)
I immediately thought back to this quotation when I read Omar Minaya's sound byte from earlier in the season:
There is a smile on David Wright's face, a smile on Jose Reyes's face. But there is not an edge to them.
By now, most of you probably don't know what I'm talking about. Eric is having a heart attack, because I'm committing the most epic and flagrant violation of the no politics rule in site history. My point is: just as the news media is ruining political discourse in this country, so too is the sports media ruining the Mets and the discourse of their fans. Is there really a difference between Minaya jumping on the "Mets have no heart or edge" train to shield himself from criticism, and a politician being complicit with media ad-hominem attacks on his or her opponent? When John Harper asks a random scout to confirm his totally-unjustified assertion that the Mets have a bad farm system, is it really that much different than FOX interviewing someone from the Cato Institute or CNN someone from MoveOn.org?
Mets fans go along with this stuff, because they're easy explanations. It allows scapegoating. The media tells us what we want to hear. Just like the Harper's scout or FOX's think tanks, it reifies our beliefs, plays on our most intense emotions. It's tough to be a Mets fan. With four of the top 10 players in the league, the Mets keep falling short of the playoffs in the most agonizing ways. Do they not want it as bad as we do? I talked about this phenomenon on a smaller scale, when the "no edge" talk first started popping up. The media (not all of it, but enough) often feeds into these emotions, without adding anything substantive to the discussion as to why the team actually is losing.
So why give this rant now? Did the Phillies sweep push me over the edge? Actually, as James alluded to a couple of days ago, Eric asked me to make a statistical glossary for reference of all the stats we use on the site. I wanted, however, to provide context to why I think our approach is important. Instead of making a list, I'm going to explain these stats in groupings and lessons, with specific context of how they can improve the discourse for all fans about the Mets.
1. This is not a stats blog. I hate the term "sabermetrics".
Seriously, I hate the word. It allows people to separate the statistics they're used to (RBI, ERA, etc.) from the newer stats. Here, the media plays a prominent role in demonizing "sabermetrics" as an unholy condensing of the game into math. This is well documented. Statistics like wOBA and VORP, however, are just attempts at improving what's already there. These "sabermetric" stats attempt to measure the same thing as every other stat: how good a hitter is, how good pitcher or fielder is, just in a more precise way. Batting average as a statistic measures how many hits a player gets in non-walk plate appearances. That's what it does. It's not the end-all-be-all measure of offensive value, we have better measures of that, which I'll explain later.
2. It's about the process not the result.
I was reading an R.J. Anderson post at DraysBay about process and results, in between studying for a government exam one night. As I glanced back down at my book, I coincidentally read a line about how British politicians and civil servants focus more on the process of formulating good policy, not the political result, like American politicians. It went on to compare these British bureaucrats to Cricket players, who are taught to pay attention to how they play the game, not whether they win or lose. This emphasis on the process over the results is why Rays fans like R.J. don't need to worry about their team. Their front-office is the best at what it does, and considering their payroll, they can handle a season where they finish third in the AL East, with the assurance they'll be competitive the next year.
Much of the sports media, the news media, and many Mets fans have this order backwards. They focus too much on what happened, not how it happened.Obscured in all that talk about the "collapse" (episodes one and two) is the poor roster construction that got the team there. Only now, with the Mets in such dire straits, are people on WFAN relating the current situation back to last season, when Minaya refuse to build sufficient bullpen depth, when Ramon Martinez was starting that fateful final game against the Marlins. People still blame Wright for not wanting it enough, despite the fact he had an off-the chart OPS in September. It's the same stupidity that robbed Wright of the MVP two years ago: Process: Wright players better than Rollins, Result: Phillies make playoffs, Conclusion: Rollins MVP.
On a smaller scale, this confusion of two steps explains the problems with many popular statistics, leading to the first thing I'll write that remotely resembles something from a glossary:
3. Defense is fielding and pitching OR why you should have seen Oliver Perez coming a mile away:
Here, we use true-Run Average (tRA) instead of the popular ERA. Earned run average reflects the results of every play, and is hence heavily dependent on the defense behind a pitcher. Voros McCracken first pioneered Defense Independent Pitching statistics, leading to the statistic Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP), created by Tom Tango, which express a number similar to ERA, minus those factors outside a pitcher's control.
tRA is an improvement on the FIP formula. It incorporates other factors, like GB%, which sinker ball pitchers, for instance, do have some control over. A practical example:
Pitcher A had a 4.22 ERA, but a 4.98 tRA last year.
Pitcher B had a 4.67 ERA, but just a 3.50 tRA last year.
The Mets offered Luis Castillo for Pitcher B, and 36 Million dollars for Pitcher A. Pitcher A is, of course, Oliver Perez who had been benefiting from Shea Stadium, good defense, and some luck. Pitcher B is Javier Vazquez, who had pitcher in a notorious hitters' park in the tougher American League. The Braves picked up Vazquez, who's been one of the most dominant pitchers in the NL with a 3.05 ERA. Oliver Perez has been the biggest free-agent flop in years.
4. Just win, baby!
On those final games of the last two season, would you have rather the Mets had won in a pitchers' duel or in a high-scoring affair? The answer of course is "I just wanted them to !#$^#%% win!"
Did you ever ask this past offseason, when Minaya claimed he couldn't focus on a hitter while he was trying to fix the Mets pitching: "Why?!?" He has all day, every day of the winter to address these issues, and he can't think about them at the same time??
Herein lies the problem with the last three years of Mets management. I touched on it earlier this year:
Why were the results in 2008 largely the same as 2007? The process had not changed: assume the team would perform exactly the same the next season if left alone, identify one weakness and address it. In 2007, they failed to realize how much had gone right the year before, specifically in the bullpen, and got caught off-guard when their luck swung the other way. In 2008, the weakness was the starting pitching. The Mets brought in Johan, not recognizing that Moises Alou was not a dependable solution for left field. Scarily enough, this past offseason feels like exactly the same thing: finally addressing the bullpen, without realizing that their young, overworked, and rehabbing rotation might not be all that dependable, especially in the early going.
And so it goes, the Mets have two of their top starters on the shelf and gaping holes at firstbase and leftfield. Granted, the injuries have hurt the Mets, but injuries have hurt the Mets in those other seasons, too. Moises Alou missing an entire year, only to get replaced by garbage, seems oddly similar to the Mets' situation this year. Minaya simply hasn't put enough complementary talent on the field, leading to my next point:
5. Depth is only as good as guy number one on the depth chart.
Daniel Murphy OPS: .668. That's pitiful, I mean Rey Ordonez bad. Left field is one of the most offensive heavy positions in the world, and this guy was the plan in left? Thankfully Gary Sheffield magically remembered how to hit, or this team would have been sunk, injuries or not. So why didn't Minaya spend a little money on a leftfielder? Not enough defense?`
That's why we use the statistic Wins Above Replacement (WAR) to evaluate players. WAR attempts to measure the absolute value of a player, measuring their fielding and hitting (or pitching) equally. No more guesswork and attempts to field a "strong defense up the middle" team, regardless of hitting skill. WAR attempts to measure the runs a hitter contributes as a hitter, measure by the aforementioned wOBA times Plate Appearances and as a fielder, measure by stats like Ultimate Zone Rating and Plus/Minus and simply adds them. That's an oversimplification, so for the sake of brevity, I'll refer you to these excellent guides on hitters' and pitchers' WAR. In short, WAR attempts to measure the totals Wins a player contributes to his team, by playing over a replacement level player, such as Damion Easley or Jeremy Reed (who tend to have WARs around 0).
6. Research more, hang around, tell your friends
This post is just a cursory look at these statistics, and probably doesn't fulfill my glossary-assignment. Still, I think these points are a good starting point for discussion and a plea as to why you should care.
Getting back to my introduction, I remember a speech that my Congressional Representative Jim Cooper gave about the media. He addressed many of the same points I have here, while adding that the news media's focus on results and slant has left people confused and disoriented, because they're losing the real history of events. I relate that to the confusion Mets fans feel, wondering how the team could have gotten here after how great they were in 2006. That's why things like "I Don't Trust the Mets" get written. We lose sight of the real problems, leading to a vague and pointless blame game.
That's also why I blog, because this site is an ongoing discussion and chronicling of the real history of the Mets teams, the real reasons they fall short, which I hopefully touched on above.
Mets fans,
I say all this now because I'm sick of people praising the team's awful offseason, then blaming Wright, Beltran, the farm system, and everyone but those actually at fault. I'm not saying "fire Minaya," even though I wish it sometimes. I'm pleading that we all raise the level of discourse surrounding the team, forcing the organization and the media to follow suit.
Much love,
Sam
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I like the word sabermetrics. It reminds me of light sabers
Seriously though, great column. Everything is spot on, especially when you say it’s about the process not the result. A lot of time people can do something stupid and luck into a positive result, the same can be said about somebody doing something smart and end up with an undesirable result. But there is a better chance of success when close attention is paid to the process, something Omar and Jerry refuse to do. Trading away Castro, almost regardless of the result was a bad move. History indicates Santos is not a good player, evidenced by the fact that he’s a career minor leaguer and not a good one at that, yet a few good games big hits is enough to convince Omar and Jerry that he should be on the team.
When it comes to depth, it’s not even that they didn’t have any, it’s that they refused to believe that a guy like Murphy could fail. He was hyped up a lot after last year and Omar went into the season thinking that was the real Murphy and wouldn’t even look at another offensive player.
I’m not gonna go over everything you said, but one thing about sabermetrics, is that the people who dismiss it, namely those who are like in their 30s or younger and belittle sabermetricians, are usually the same people who ignore everything someone smarter tells them. I’m not saying that people who follow advanced stats are better or anything, but how many times do you hear that people who follow sabermetrics all live in their mother’s basement, never even played baseball, etc, etc. Those type of people who feel like advanced stats are for nerds only are the type of ignorant fans I’m glad don’t understand the newer stats because they make themselves look like fools on a regular basis. Now the downside to that is so many sportswriters who actually have a say in baseball’s history tend to feel the same way making bad mistakes that, for lack of a better word (It’s early, who can think?), tarnish baseball history. (e.g. Jim Rice in the Hall of Fame)
I’m sure there’s more I wanted to say but I can’t think. Anyway again great article Sam. Thank god there are sites like this that have reasonable and intelligent baseball fans where I can learn more and talk about the game and team I love. (and where most people understand David, Jose and Beltran aren’t the reason for the team’s failures)
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 6, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And this is why this I love this site
Thank you Sam.
by Pat Andriola on Jul 6, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spot on
That’s why I love AA. I rarely comment, so I guess I’m not active in the discourse about the Mets, but posts like these and the commenters here are raising the level of discourse.
by dtro on Jul 6, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also,
the flaws of the best players get magnified when a team is doing poorly or when the best player has nobody around him.
Let’s all gang up on David Wright, the guy with a plus .400 OBP.
by Pat Andriola on Jul 6, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Duh, half the moves a managuh makes...
’You’re gonna like and half ‘da moves you’re not gonna like; and it always works ‘dat way; so you can’t really get on a managuh for his moves. What managuh’s you judge ’dem by is…wins and losses, how ’dey handle New Yawk and ’da media, ’da clubhouse chemistry.."
-Joe Benigno (verbatim)
“Yeah Joe, you are sooo right” — Evan Roberts
(Benigno proceeds to eat a bucket of crap.)
I mean, and all these people gotta realize that it’s the playuhs ‘dat win games, and ’dese playas ain’t gettin’ it done. If ya got playuhs who really play like ’dey’re heads up ‘deir reah-ends. And I’m tie’d of peeple getin’ on Omah…although I will say ‘dis…duh one flaw is dat he hasn’t made any big splashes in the deadline. "Dat and duh fahm systuhm’s a joke. I mean. He doesn’t even have enough chips to trade ’dem all for a overrated mediocre rental big…bat…bat…aaaa
(Benigno proceeds to choke on his excrement binge. Evan Roberts reveals to the world why WFAN actually pays him when he performs the heimlich and saves him.)
“Duhh, thanks bro, I don’t know where I’d be without you”
Evan “Don’t mention it Joe, I love pumping the shit out of you.”
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 6, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So much for the level of discourse.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jul 6, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also mo vaughn is fat
i think its important to always keep that in mind as well.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jul 6, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here, here
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 6, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's a nitpick
But the actual term is “hear, hear.”
I’m sorry, I do Parliamentary Debate in college (i.e. I’m a loser) and we use it thoroughly lol.
by Pat Andriola on Jul 6, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
policy debate ftw, man
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 6, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
policy? oh brother
it’s our evil twin brother from the south lol
by Pat Andriola on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10, Sam
Process, process, process!
You are dead on about the news media. Of course in politics each side has their own “media watchdogs” to complain about the terrible coverage one way or another. Sports has no such thing. TV, radio and print sports are a sess-pool of lazy journalism and wooly-headed rhetoric, but there is no one calling them on their bullshit. As a result, Dub and Voltron get piles of shit heaped on them by proud know-nothings and ESPN’s hoard of Boston-loving douchelords.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
by IanB in MD on Jul 6, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Piece!
I’m relatively new at AA—a Metsblog refugee, victim of that site’s downsizing of its comment rolls—but I can see already I’m going to like it here.
Limited as I am by my four senses (I have much to learn about your statistical analyses, though I’m anxious to get started), I understand one major problem as the historical tendency of the Mets to continually try to stick square pegs in round holes: Juan Samuel in CF, Todd Hundley in CF, Gregg Jeffries at 2B, Dave Kingman anywhere on the field. Injuries notwithstanding, this year’s team suffers from that malady.
Even had everyone remained healthy, this administration still has to account for entering season with a no-power third baseman without so much as a full season above Double A playing a major power position like LF. In one respect Murphy is Gregg Jeffries all over again, in that the team is determined to play him somewhere, no matter how ill-fitting he may be in the larger sense. The Mets have an elite 3B who’s going to be here for awhile. There’s no room at the inn for Mr. Murphy.
Murphy is a valuable commodity, but not as a player … for the Mets, anyway. Rather, he should be parlayed via trade into a player who fills a need. Need a LF? Don’t use Murphy to play LF, but as a chip to deal for one. Duh. It seems obvious that playing a player hopelessly out-of-position is a mistake, but apparently no one still with the club remembers (to pick one position of dishonor out of many) the horrors of Hojo and Keith Miller and Samuel and Vince Coleman (and probably others I’m forgetting) in CF.
by RetireNumber17 on Jul 6, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Murphy
I don’t think many fans thought Murphy in left was such an awful idea. Neither did fangraphs. Or at least, this guy, Brian Joura:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/can-daniel-murphy-survive-babip-drop
Yes, he profiled better if he could play second. I don’t think a platoon of Murphy and Evans was thought of as awful. In the event, the Mets signed Sheffield to be the righty half, Evans was demoted, had an awful start which was mainly awful luck but may have been partiallyu due to a disappointing demotion (how can you keep them on the farm now that they have seen Paree, as it were), and has now come back nicely, and Sheff has been ok.
As it turned out, Murphy made some notorious gaffes in left field, the team had a need at first, where his power is even less suited, and he could NOT survibve a drop in babip. But his babip suggests he has been very unlucky, his k rate is down, his homers to flayball still quite low. His flyball rate is now way up, but his line drive percentage is down. Maybe he is trying to be the power guy he isn’t?
In any event, the thought may have been Murph/Evans and then Murph/Sheff is doable. At least with Wright, beltran, reyes and Delgado around. And then Jerry annointed Murph everyday over Church. And injuries ravaged the team, and Murph’s results have been abysmal. I assume if just Murph had failed, the idea would have been replace him with a Dunn or Willingham mid year if need be. At this point Omar may decide it is not worth it, even 4 games out, if no one is gonna get healthy.
And Sam makes a fantastic point: Omar has every reason to blame this on the players. He also has every reason to NOT bring in some replacements now. If that happens, the team gets healthy and still falls, HE is the fall guy. Finally.
But I am not sure if I think the idea he likely had of Murph as a platoon left fielder (Jerry kinda made him more) he could replace if need be later was a really egregious fail.
by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly,
I fear that he’s not adept enough at roster construction for the mets to ever win a WS with him at the helm. He’s fairly good at some things, because he has a pretty good eye for talent, but he makes the same mistakes with important parts of the roster (i.e. bench and depth) on a regular basis.
Unfortunately we’re stuck with him because the Wilpon’s loved him and signed him to an extension. He’ll clearly get an injury pass this year, as will Jerry, and then he’ll still have Jerry to take a shot for him next year (if necessary), so Omar’s already set up to make it, minimally, through the 2010 season.
by mets81 on Jul 6, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome stuff. I especially enjoyed how you tied Stewart's point about political media to MLB media.
Regarding your hatred of “sabermetrics” how would you suggest a site like BtB, which focuses on a smarter analysis of baseball brand itself? While we want to separate ourselves as smarter/better, we aren’t shooting to be elitist or non-mainstream (as much as it might come across like that sometimes.)
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Btb: if youre not reading this website and fully comprehending everything than youre a total stupid dumbass idiot
or something like that
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we use that, do we owe you royalties?
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that one's gratis my man
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Jul 6, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great piece
especially needed to counter the doom and gloom that will follow this weekend’s events. also wanted to point out how politics and mainstream sports journalism share a similar anti-intellectualism attitude. I can remember a few columnists bragging that they didn’t even know what VORP meant, like it was their job to protect baseball from a flood of laptop-wielding nerds. fortunately, places like AA exist to counter these boneheaded pundits.
by englishgrey on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Process
Neyer had a piece after Rollins won the mvp in 2007. He didn’t really criticize his selection. Hard as it is to credit statistically, he DID famously issue the team to beat (on paper) remark at the beginning of 2007, and backed it up with his play. His WAR wasn’t quite up to Wright’s standard, but he was very very good for a division winner, that suffered some absences by Utley and Howard. Winning hasn’t always been the sole criteria, but it helps. And of course, Wright had nothing to do to do with the Mets 2007 collpase in September and played great ball down the stretch.
Neyer DID fault the process, though, finding more fault with the fact Wright came in 4th (behind Holliday and Fielder). Also, Howard won the year before for a non-winner, so Neyer said that voters tend to fixate on certain stats and ignore others, and are inconsistent.
Bottom line, this is just another variant on process versus results. The result of Rollins winning mvp wasn’t as egregious as the process by which he weas selected (a process which seemed to gloss over Wright).
As far as Stewart and the partisan hacks, sure, tv sells pat this or that takes. It’s a chicken and egg as whether it conditions the audience to want this or that is what the audience wants. Not everyone will be up for an exegesis on every issue covering all the gray areas. Stewart must acknowledge his own biases.
But ya know, I started buying James’s Baseball Abstracts in about 1982. You’d be amazed at the progress that has been made, if you think folks are retrograde now. And sometimes you just get these warring camps where people talk past each other, from both sides.
by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, a good summary of what a lot of us have been pleading for months.
Especially the “seeing the Oliver Perez situation a mile away”. Seriously, it was SO obviously going to happen.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great post
happy to take a few minutes out of vacation to read and rec this. more accurately, I’m at a VW dealership getting a noise in my car checked out. in any event, great stuff.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You've said everything I have said about the organization and its failures
but written it so much better and coherently than I ever could hope to.
Brilliant. Required reading for this website.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Jul 6, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think calling last seasons failures a choke is a little lazy. The team had no depth in bullpen and with Wagner out performed as everyone thought they would; They blew games in late innings. So now this team has this jingoistic tag on them that I think is a little undeserved in a lot of respects.
Wright and Reyes are not the problem with this team. Those guys are both part of the solution. As New Yorkers we tend to have a habit of eating our own too often. When things go badly we have to lay blame and often goes misdirected.
Who likes this teams prospects 1-5 years from now without Reyes or Wright? I don’t and I think trading those guys would go down as the worst trades in this history of the game. Wright is already on his way to a Hall of Fame career. He’s argualbly one of the best all round players in the game today.
by Chickendirt on Jul 6, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Said
On all points. Perhaps the biggest problem I see over the course of a season with how baseball is reported on SNY, ESPN, etc. is an overreaction from game to game, based on small sample sizes. They have all this time to fill, they simply can’t help themselves and make all these proclamations: Santos, what a player, he cannot be sent down!! (said by Beningo, Cohen, Darling, et. al) Nieve is incredible! He’s our new number 2!
They actually have a show called “Loud Mouths” with guys who just take opposing view points for the hell of it. Somehow, some way guys talking over each other in a forum format passes for good television, be it news or sports. Who watches these shows? And sometimes it does feel like perception fuels decision making in the front office, and that’s the scary part. For example with Santos, he had options, it made sense to send him down and call him back up when needed. It was the logical move, but there would have been an uproar, so he stayed, and they traded their best hitting catcher for a guy that will never play for them.
In a roundabout way I guess what I’m saying is (and I realize this post is all over the place, long weekend, gimme a break) I still find Minaya heavily responsible for a lot that’s gone wrong. His offseason was really, really bad. He made the decision to fight last year’s battle, by going for Putz and K-Rod. That was a good start, but he ignored glaring offensive question marks, a core that realistically could not keep up their lucky health streak, and signed a below avg. pitcher with some of the worst control in the game to a ludicrous contract. He cannot get a free pass because of these injuries.
by David G on Jul 6, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This about sums up my feelings
and my how the pitching has gone down hill since they shipped off Castro. Coincidence? I think not.
And there has been a glaring hole on this team at second base that Minaya has been ignoring for years. I think a lot of the energy he expended on improving the pen was also due to the pressures put on by loud mouth sports talk radio as well. Not to say they were wrong but it wasn’t the entire problem on this team.
Our 6/7/8 hitters, although the weak part of the line up, are not very good contact hitters and the reasons why the five hole gets dished dirt by opposing pitchers. David Wright was able to thrive there by virtue of having a good eye at the plate and being able to do the best with garbage pitches that rarely hit the strike zone. Not to mention the occacional mistake.
by Chickendirt on Jul 6, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're on point today, man, haha.
Exactly.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 6, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's not the media's fault they're so powerful
It’s Omar’s for letting his policy being dictated by the media. He’s gotta be better than that.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Jul 6, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Omar and the Mets’ PR department do a terrible job of communicating their positions to the media and the fans. And it’s almost unfathomable that the Mets’ own TV network is responsible for so much of the bullshit out there.
by Zwill on Jul 6, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post.
Just one correction: the phrase is “ad hominem.”
by gogomets on Jul 6, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
July 4, 2008
The Mets lost to the Phils. A Santana 2 run 8 inning gem wasted by Duaner Sanchez.
That put the Mets back to 42-44. 5-1/2 back of the Phils.
The Mets starting left-fielder in that game? Chris Aguila.
You know the rest, and the sad denouement. But the fact is the mets went 47-29 the rest of the way last year with a horrible bullpen. They passed the Phils only to be overtaken in th end.
So, I hate to be pollyanna again, but this team has a shot. And the shot will be provided by Wright/Beltran/Reyes/Delgado/Santanja/Rod, if they can get and stay healthy, and enough of the rest can provide replacement level at least..
by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I said this in the game thread but we’re no worse off than we were last year at the 81 game mark. Crazier things have happened.
by Zwill on Jul 6, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a shot, but
you can’t make lemonade out of some of the lemons on this team, that’s the problem. Last year it was right about now when they went on a winning streak into the break. Don’t see that happening this time around.
by David G on Jul 6, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick! Fire the manager!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 6, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If they have a streak this year it will start later and will have to be sustained. The back of the bullpen seems stronger. if they get guys healthy, it is conceivable. A potential morale buster here with the Dodgers, but if they can somehow manage to stay withing striking distance a 3 more weeks or so and if they get healthy. The Phils aren’t exactly the ’39 yankees either. Nor is the wildcard comp.
But i will enjoy it no matter what. it’s baseball.
by wobatus on Jul 7, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from knocking the term sabermetrics...
…best post ever.
by djbutler73 on Jul 7, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Sam
I’ve read this site for like 2 weeks, and you’re quickly becoming one of my favorite non-Giant, team-specific blog writers. Keep it up, your work is amazing.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 8, 2009 3:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty damn good
Aside from you dissing Sabermetrics, I agree with almost everything said here.
One more thing I would like to add is that a lot of the ESPN-types underestimate the randomness of baseball, especially in small sample sizes. Jerrod Morris’ about Ibanez’s “steroid speculation” highlights that perfectly. Ibanez had a rediculously hot start to the first 1/3 of the season. Of course, most people who have taken the time to empircally study baseball knew that this was most likely no more than a hot streak magnified by the fact that it was at the offset of the season. Unfortunately, Morris, like a lot of other mainstream writers, tried to find a reason for the statistical fluke, and ended up stupidly mentioning steroids and getting in trouble with Ken Rosenthal (who acted like a complete douche).
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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